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Title: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 13:37 BST (UK)
Hi:  I'm new to Rootschat, so just hope I'm in the right area!!

I've come across a couple of possible family members who were involved in the Boer War.

Trooper 38321 Frederick John Harry Archbell, Damant's Horse (aka Rimington Guides) died 26 March 1902.

Private 24968 Harry Archbell, Cape Colony Cycle Corps served 10 January 1901 to 16 April 1902

Does anyone have any idea if there are any records, other than at Kew.

I think they both originated in the UK, although there are Archbells resident in South Africa but I'm told that these two are probably not from the South African connection.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

BumbleB
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: km1971 on Thursday 28 August 08 14:37 BST (UK)
You will have to visit Kew or employ a researcher. There is hardly anything available online, and you must have seen the Roll of Honour entry for John Archbell to know the date of his death.

The 'papers' - usually only two sides - are in WO127, with an index in WO126, and the medal rolls are on microfilm in WO100.

Regarding the CCCC you must have some information as you have the dates he served. Where did you find this?

Ken
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 16:08 BST (UK)
Hi Ken:  I found both entries on http://hometown.aol.co.uk/tamsinasplin/  and then either RGDH.html or cccc.html

Just wondered if Kew was the only place to view these records.  I live in Tamworth, so not quite so easy to get down to Kew, and thought I'd see if there was an alternative.  If not, then I'll just add them to my list!

Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: meles on Thursday 28 August 08 16:14 BST (UK)
What an amazing photo!

Do you know if they stayed on in South Africa? If so, the South African Public Records Office has good records available online.

http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm

meles
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 16:40 BST (UK)
Hi Meles:  well obviously Frederick John Harry did - next thing is to find out where he died!!  Not sure about Harry and your website wasn't able to help me.  I've got a friend in South Africa, so will see if she has any ideas, otherwise it's down to Kew!!

Cheers
Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: meles on Thursday 28 August 08 16:54 BST (UK)
I've got family there (whose ancestors also came out at that time), and visit most years. Let me know if I can help more.

meles
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 17:14 BST (UK)
Thanks Meles:  I'll bear that in mind.  Always good to have more than one string to one's bow!!

Cheers
Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: km1971 on Thursday 28 August 08 17:47 BST (UK)
Frederick John Harry .... next thing is to find out where he died!! ...

He died in Harrismith- http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Databases/BoerDetailed/index.html. I thought you had this.

I have to do a look up on the Damants Horse medal roll - I have a medal to one of their troopers. So I will look up Frederick. They earned an incredible amount of money. My man left with something like £250 for nine months service. Didn't do him much good though as he died a few months after his discharge. Most seem to have been locals, but the wages attracted a lot of men from UK, Canada, Australia etc who paid their own passage to SA and enlisted.

Ken
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 19:17 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Ken, no I didn't have this information.  I just had the basics.

Poor sod, so he didn't even die in battle!!  No glory in dying of enteric fever!!  Ah well.  Perhaps it's just as well.  I'm just reading the history of the Voortrekkers, not sure I could do it.  Another Archbell was a Wesleyan Missionery in South Africa, and he is quoted as "out-trekking the Voortrekkers", and this was 80 odd years before the Boer War.

Thanks

Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 19:22 BST (UK)
Hi Ken:  how did you get this information - if I put in the name Archbell on the website, it comes up with zero.!!

Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 28 August 08 19:32 BST (UK)


He's there ... I found him too !  :)

Surname ARCHBELL, F J H

Rank Private

Serial No 38321

Regiment Force Damants Horse

Date of Event 26 March 1902

Place of Event Harrismith

Event Died of enteric
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 19:43 BST (UK)
Liverpool Annie and Ken:  And I drove through Harrismith in March this year!!  I've got a common interest in James Archbell the missionary, with a friend in South Africa.  I went out there and we drove from Howick to Thaba Nchu, passing through Harrismith!! Sh.t!!  Come on, give, how did you find the place of death?  But, does anyone know where he came from?  I think he is from London - I've certainly got a Frederick John Harry missing from the 1901 census!!

But thanks anyway!

Sue

Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: liverpool annie on Thursday 28 August 08 20:14 BST (UK)


OK Sue !! click on

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Databases/BoerDetailed/index.html

then punch in ARCH in surname ........ and Bob's your uncle !!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 28 August 08 20:37 BST (UK)
Oops!  Thank you

Sue
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: km1971 on Thursday 28 August 08 22:57 BST (UK)
I typed in archbell in the surname and got the details Annie gave you.

Ken


Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 15 December 08 12:32 GMT (UK)
Hi:  just to put this one to bed, at least as far as Frederick John Harry is concerned.  I went into Birmingham library and found his will, or at least the administration, which was granted to his sister, so he was exactly who I thought he was.  Only got to find Harry now!

BumbleB :)
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: justjenny on Sunday 21 November 21 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hi
I may have some information on where some of your family are buried.
Please contact if i can help.
See atttached photo
Regards
Jenny
Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 21 November 21 14:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenny and a big welcome to RootsChat  :)

I'm always grateful for any information I can get on the Archbell family.  I know that this thread is now very old, and I do have more information on the family.  I did eventually see Frederick John Harry's memorial in Harrismith, as I have visited South Africa at least a couple of times since 2008.

Anything you can offer will be gratefully received.  I look forward to hearing from you again.



Title: Re: Boer War - Damant's Horse and Cape Colony Cycle Corps
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 22 November 21 16:57 GMT (UK)
And, for anyone who is interested, this is the memorial for Frederick John Harry Archbell in Harrismith Cemetery.