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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Mary Alicia on Sunday 31 August 08 05:45 BST (UK)
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Frank Marais, was a tailor in Norwich but I can find no trace of him prior to 1901 Census when he is listed as Frank Marris. Married Alice Morgan in 1894 under name Marais and claimed to have been born in Southhampton in 1862. I'm guessing he changed his name. Have tried alternative sounding surnames but nothing. Any suggestions welcome.
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HI
Have you considered buying the marrige cert to see 'if' there is a fathers name mentioned?
Wendy
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Hi, marriage cert:
Frank Marais sept Q 1894 norwich 4b / 200
There does seem to be another Frank Marais in Norwich - middle initial H.
also a Frank Morris b 1862 in Portsmouth.
Diddy
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free bmd Frank henry marais was born sept Q 1895 Norwich 4b / 165
so very likely your Franks son.
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hows this?
Freecen 1891 census:
Frank E morris H m 27 Skilled labourer b. portsmouth
Alice M Morris w 25 Dressmaker ""
Frank h morris 9 ""
Percy A Morris 3 ""
Rose A morris 2 ""
Diddy - by the way - welcome to RC!! ;D
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sorry forgot that was in portsea island RG 12/853 143 / 28 / 170
can see on Freecen - click on alt spellings.
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Since 'Tailor' was a skilled profession he had to have been a tailor in 1891. Found this:
1891 Census - 7 Sedan Street, St. Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk
Frank Marria Boarder Single 30 Tailor b. Jersey
(Ref.RG12 - 1467 - 123 - 21).
The name Marais appears on Channel Island Census' and origin seems to be France.
Cannot find anything in 1881 (here or on Channel Islands) but did find in 1871:
1871 Census - 35 Mary Bandains, St. Helier, Jersey.
Margaret Maris Head Wid. 40 Nurse b. Jersey
Francis Maris Son 12 App. Tailor b. Jersey
Annette
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HI
Following on the lines that he may not have been born in Southampton there is thei man in the 1881 census - I haven't followed him in the later census but the occupation does fit and the spelling is within the range that you found
1881 Census
Living inSt Clement, Jersey
Francis Marais 22 Sailor bn Grouville, Jersey
Elizabeth Marais 21 St Clement Jersey
Now his occupation does say Sailor but could it be a mistranscription or simply misheard
REF RG11 5617 Folio 120 Page 16
Wendy
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HI
Does anyone else think that the occupation of Frank Marris is SAILOR in the 1901?
Looking at the other letter of some of the other occupations I'm led to believe it should read SAILOR for the 1901 finding of Frank and Alice Marris.
Just to follow on my earlier posting of him being married to an Eliza* she is found in the 1891 still married but at home with her parents. Francis could easily be at see which is why he is unfoudn in the 1891 at least.
here's that REF
RG12 4697 Folio 160 Page 3
Wendy
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Thank you all so much. The Frank H in Norwich is his son and my grandfather. The Jersey lead is the one which looks the most promising. I am so happy to have found this out and it explains why he had no family in Norwich. I know he was a tailor as he worked in Norwich as one for many years.
maryalicia
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HI Maryalicia
Would you go as far as to obtain the marriage cert to confirm things so far - and maybe even find a name for a father figure?
Wendy
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Yes I have applied for a marriage certificate.
maryalicia
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Hi Maryalicia!
Did we work together at Cheshire's bookshop in 1968?? We kept in touch for a short while after I returned to the UK. If you are the MH that I remember, it'd be lovely to get back in touch.
DG
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My goodness what a surprise your email is. Yes I am the MH who worked at Cheshires in 1968. Please contact me on my email (*)
Mary
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I am pleased to see this information on 'Frank Marais' especially before 1901 as I have struggled with this also. I am not related but have researched this family some time back as my parents late best friends had this surname and I often wondered where his family came from as his name was French and like so many failed to ask the questions when he was alive. His name was Jack Marais born 1918, mother's maiden name also Marais which gives the impression his mother was unmarried although I have never got his birth cert. As the only Marais family in Norwich at this time was Frank and His wife Alice, nee Morgan I assumed Jack was the son of their daughter, Blanche - Any ideas?
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Regards
Sarah
Hi Ray
Yes he was illegitimate. His mother Blanche had a relationship with an American soldier during WWI and was expecting to marry him. He disappeared and was never heard of again. Even Jack's daughters didn't know the truth until recently.
What do you want to know?
Blanche was my great aunt. Her brother Frank was my grandfather.
Mary
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Hi Mary
Thanks for getting back to me. Jack, Iris (his wife) and their daughters were a very big part of my childhood and our family we did so much together which I have quite a bit of film footage of thanks to my late father - http://raytaylor.com/Taylor_1927_Raymond_Ernest_Tribute.htm
I have been trying make contact with the girls again to share it. I do family history research (genealogy) for a hobby and sometime back after doing mine looked and Jack's. The Morgans were OK back to Thomas (1800) but now looking at it again I could not find a direct link further back for his father James, (wife Mary) unless he had been married before to Sarah. As already been mentioned on this blog I could not find anything on Frank Marais further back than 1901. I to thought Tailor could have been Sailor but looking at other 'Ts' on the census forms I think Tailor is correct, although he could have been a Tailor by trade and a Sailor!!!
Everything points to Franks birth date as 1861 but there is no record of it and I don't know how to access the Channel Islands records although from one posting he could have been born Francis.
Hope this isn't to long winded.
Ray