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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: jarvman on Wednesday 03 September 08 17:13 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm a relative novice at this genealogy business, but I have managed to trace back on my mother's side (through searching census records), her Irish Grandfather, Thomas Christle. I know that he came to Manchester from Ireland with his wife Jane (nee Smith) and died in 1892 in Gorton, and I also know he was probably born circa 1856 in Offaly (king's) county. But that's it! I've no idea which part of Offaly he came from, or whether there are still Christle's living there - it's not a common Irish name and doesn't show up in any Irish genealogy book I've seen. If anyone could help I'd be eternally grateful.
Cheers,
Mike Smith
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Welcome to Rootschat.
There's one entry in Griffith's Valuation in King's Co. for a Thomas Christle but you would be wise to check other spelling variations as well.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
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Hi Mike,I also notice from the same place where Thomas Christle is mention in Griffith's Valuation -Kilconfert-Killoneen,there is also a Smyth ,if Thomas & Jane married in Ireland maybe worth checking around to see if Jane came from this family,Regards Nipy
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the leads, it's much appreciated. I'm amazed how quick it was to get a response!
Jarvman
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Hi,I hope they will lead you somewhere,I'll keep a look out for the name Christle in the Co Offaly area & if I ever see any thing I will let you know,Cheers Nipy.
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Hello once more,I see from the 1881 census that Thomas & Jane did both come from Kings County & they were both listed as the same age 26yrs,they were living at 4, Potting St, Manchester ,with their two children Elizabeth 3yrs & Mary 1yrs,you may already know all this but just in case you don't.Regards Nipy
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Hi, the Christle name originates from Daingean, County offaly.Being brief I believe the name was originally Spanish!and probably Criostabal, Cristebal or something similar.It dates back to the Spanish Armada which was wrecked off the west coast of ireland in 1588.The survivors would have headed to the only place in ireland they knew of, Philipstown(after king philip 2nd the then king of spain), which had its name changed to Daingean in 1922.As most of the shipwrecked survivors were killed as they made land, it would not have been a good idea to hang on to the spanish surname!
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Hi, I'm the grandson of Thomas and Maureen Christle from Killoneen, Daingean. i recently watched a programme on tv about family tree searches and googled my grandfathers name. to my surprise i was linked to this site. My mother is Josephine Christle and has a huge family. i would love to chat and help with any information you need on my family.
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Well here you are Jimmy.5277& Welcome to RC,hope you have fun & enjoy the site,regards Nipy
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Hello Jimmy.5277,
Many thanks for the response and offer of help. It would be great to find out if there is any way of tracing where Thomas and Jane came from exactly, although Daingean seems the most likely. Is there also any way of looking through local parish records to see if they were married or even christened locally so we could extend the family tree back further?
Fascinating to see what koolforkats has to say about the origins of the name being potentially Spanish and dating back to the Armada! Are there any old family stories that would support the idea?
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Headstone in Daingean cemetery;
James Cristle, Riverlyons, Daingean
24/3/1970 (48)
w; Bridget; 28/11/12005 (85)
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I have been trying to trace a George Chrisley (born circa 1796) and Bridget McCann (born circa , husband and wife, who had several children in Ireland (Patrick born circa 1830, James born circa 1831, Edward born sometime between 1833 and 1836, Ann born circa 1836 and Jane born circa 1837). They had several more children after they emigrated to Frontenac County in Canada circa 1838. I believe that they were Roman Catholic, as George and Bridget are buried in an RC cemetery in Kingston. The spelling of the surname has changed over the years, and has sometimes been spelled Christley. There is a story that son Patrick worked in the mines at Clonmel at a young age (I don't know whether the location of the mines is correct) for a penny a day to earn money for the family to come to Canada. I wonder if you have any information that would help me trace them.
Hi, I'm the grandson of Thomas and Maureen Christle from Killoneen, Daingean. i recently watched a programme on tv about family tree searches and googled my grandfathers name. to my surprise i was linked to this site. My mother is Josephine Christle and has a huge family. i would love to chat and help with any information you need on my family.
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I too am intrigued by what koolforkats said about the name Christle being an altered form of a Spanish name dating back to the Spanish Armada ships that were wrecked on the coast of Ireland. Did you find out any more?
I have been trying to trace a George Chrisley (born circa 1796) and Bridget McCann (born circa , husband and wife, who had several children in Ireland (Patrick born circa 1830, James born circa 1831, Edward born sometime between 1833 and 1836, Ann born circa 1836 and Jane born circa 1837). They had several more children after they emigrated to Frontenac County in Canada circa 1838. I believe that they were Roman Catholic, as George and Bridget are buried in an RC cemetery in Kingston. The spelling of the surname has changed over the years, and has sometimes been spelled Christley. There is a story that son Patrick worked in the mines at Clonmel at a young age (I don't know whether the location of the mines is correct) for a penny a day to earn money for the family to come to Canada. I wonder if you have any information that would help me trace them.
Hello Jimmy.5277,
Many thanks for the response and offer of help. It would be great to find out if there is any way of tracing where Thomas and Jane came from exactly, although Daingean seems the most likely. Is there also any way of looking through local parish records to see if they were married or even christened locally so we could extend the family tree back further?
Fascinating to see what koolforkats has to say about the origins of the name being potentially Spanish and dating back to the Armada! Are there any old family stories that would support the idea?
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I am fascinated by what you said about the name Christle originating with a Spanish name and dating from the wreck of Spanish Armada ships on the coast of Ireland.
I have been trying to trace a George Chrisley (born circa 1796) and Bridget McCann (born circa , husband and wife, who had several children in Ireland (Patrick born circa 1830, James born circa 1831, Edward born sometime between 1833 and 1836, Ann born circa 1836 and Jane born circa 1837). They had several more children after they emigrated to Frontenac County in Canada circa 1838. I believe that they were Roman Catholic, as George and Bridget are buried in an RC cemetery in Kingston. The spelling of the surname has changed over the years, and has sometimes been spelled Christley. There is a story that son Patrick worked in the mines at Clonmel at a young age (I don't know whether the location of the mines is correct) for a penny a day to earn money for the family to come to Canada. I wonder if you have any information that would help me trace them.
Hi, the Christle name originates from Daingean, County offaly.Being brief I believe the name was originally Spanish!and probably Criostabal, Cristebal or something similar.It dates back to the Spanish Armada which was wrecked off the west coast of ireland in 1588.The survivors would have headed to the only place in ireland they knew of, Philipstown(after king philip 2nd the then king of spain), which had its name changed to Daingean in 1922.As most of the shipwrecked survivors were killed as they made land, it would not have been a good idea to hang on to the spanish surname!
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Hi my name is Megan. My grandfather is Jack Christle. Either my great grandfather or great great grandfather brought a churches window piece from Ireland to a state called Indiana. It's between the two towns Andrews and wabash. It's in a old Catholic Church and it's the Christle symbol ( I forget the proper word it's called. It's thee Christle symbol. I've been told there is multiple sclerosis on the Christle side and I was wondering if you could help me? All the Christle's I know doesn't know for sure who? I have MS and other illnesses. I've been searching for answers because every christle doesn't know who it could be. I'm so sorry I don't have an answer to your question. I've just been looking as well on how to find the christle family tree. I need to know if it was my moms side(my grandfather Christle) or my biological fathers side. If it is the Christle's, I need to let every christle I do know, know.
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Hi my name is Megan. My grandfather is Jack Christle. Either my great grandfather or great great grandfather brought a churches window piece from Ireland to a state called Indiana. ...
Is this your grandfather? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35936972
If you haven't done so already then you need to trace your ancestry back step by step starting in America and then trying to find Irish records (you'll need a more exact place than 'Ireland'- parish is not actual townland and not even just the county).
Have a look at this topic- My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498742.0)
Tracing a medical problem in the family is the same principal. Start with yourself and work back through each generation. American death certificates are much more informative than Irish ones but the farther back you go the more likely the causes of death could be attributed to various problems.
It will also help to talk to other family members for clues about anything they can remember- both from a genealogical and a medical point of view.
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Yes that is my grandfather! Tomorrow is the anniversary of his death and I've just had him on my mind where for him. I want to find out about his and my history. Also my grandfather Michael Christle's father was named Thomas Christle as well
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for jarvman i wonder would it be worth your while getting this mans marriage cert he was born circa 1850 in King's he could be a brother of your Thomas
James Christle and Mary Flanagan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYS5-DMJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYSG-F65
children
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Achristle~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Akings~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Achristle~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amary~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aflanagan~&collection_id=1584963
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Mountbriscoe/Killoneen/1470548/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Mountbriscoe/Killoneen/560055/
wifes death
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRXP-GZ4
the 3 year old Joseph on the 1911 census is most likely meant to be 36
His brother James in hospital with T B of the ankle
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002674742/
father James's Will index
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014920/005014920_00061.pdf
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Have you seen this possible marriage a bit late but there seems to be no record of a marriage in Ireland and seems very coincidental.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DRC-W1N