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Title: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 04 September 08 08:21 BST (UK)
I am trying to make connections with descendants of the abovenamed, my grandparents.  All of their children have died so there is only the next generation and those following to find.  Their children were, Florence, Ida, Myrtle, Ethel, Vera (my mother) Harold, Norman and William.  The children's births were registered at Carterton, but from memory most of them resided in the Waikato area, Te Aroha, Paeroa' Rotokauri, and Cambridge mainly. i.e. the ones I can remember meeting as a young child.  I would like to be able to complete my family tree, I have been given information of earlier family in Devon, but have been unable to get confirmation or information about them through Devon connections on Rootschat.   If you are part of this family or know of them please contact me through Rootschat.    Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 04 September 08 09:54 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

Try the following site, just had a quick search for the Cranch name and found Harold, Thomas William mentioned. the site says you are welcome to contact them for further info.

www.cambridgemuseum.org.nz
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 04 September 08 10:08 BST (UK)


Sorry, did not read your posting properly. For  descendants of these Cranch's try;

www.whitepages.co.nz

There are only 20 listed in the whole North Island :)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 05 September 08 06:43 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird

To improve your chances of finding these CRANCH descendants, it may be a good idea to include here,  the married names for Florence, Ida, Myrtle and Ethel.    (Obviously though you won't need to include details for Vera).

(If you're not sure of married names, give a shout ... we have a marriage CD available which can be searched).


Lu

Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Friday 05 September 08 21:45 BST (UK)
Morning Lu  you were asking for the married names of the Cranch girls.   They are Elizabeth Ethel Harrison, Lilly Myrtle Bowring, Florence Beatrice Fielder, Ida Alma Knight, Vera Bond.  They all passed on some time ago and I am trying to find those who followed to complete my family tree.  Since putting up my request I have come across some other Cranchs one of whom appears related, but they again have died.  The one who appears may have been Mums brother is William Samuel John who married Ada Florence Reynolds, their son Clive Laurence (b 1924 d 24/4/93) who married Tui Beatrice Boyd, their son Cecil Laurence (b 2/10/1948 d 3/8/86) married Vivienne Cathryn Lillicrap, their daughter Rebecca Jane of Auckland b 20/2/74 d 30/8/86
Then 3 other Cranch folk  Maxwell William who married Karen Irene Garry, their son Michael Ashley b 13/12/70 d 14/6/68  Middlemore was a connection don't know which of the two generations.  Basil Mt Eden Auckland b 11//5/1914 d 30//4/1938   Then the earliest  William Cranch who married Mary Goldsworthy with Thomas and a date 1868 and Thames they had a daughter Maria.  Interesting how  one side of each of my parents families are difficult or in one case seemingly impossible to find anything about, however something may crop up in the future.  I have been told there are only about 20 Cranchs listed in the White Pages so maybe it has to be a lucky dip in writing to one in each area and hoping they may be interested in family tree and/or  in responding.  Wow a fine sunny day today GREAT :) :) :D :D ;D ;D ;D
 BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 06 September 08 00:32 BST (UK)


They are Elizabeth Ethel Harrison,     Lilly Myrtle Bowring,    Florence Beatrice Fielder,   Ida Alma Knight,    Vera Bond.



Hi Bellbird

Well hopefully some descendants will find you through RootsChat.     :D

But in the event that that doesn't happen, you may find details of family members in probate records ?

All the following are held at Archives NZ (Auckland office) :

*  Elizabeth Ethel HARRISON - 1945
*  Frank Roland HARRISON - 1964

*  William BOWRING - Waihi, farmer,  -  1959

*  Alfred Dalton FIELDER - Te Aroha, retired farmer - 1964

*  Vivian Hazeldean KNIGHT - Rotokauri, farmer - 1973

Also a number of probate records for surname CRANCH.

Good luck.

Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 06 September 08 06:04 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

There is a tree on Ancestry for Maria Cranch, born 1868 Thames. They do not seem to know her parents names, so maybe you would like to contact them with your info. I am sure this would be appreciated.
She married James Robertson in 1892.

Trish


Can contact for you if you dont have access. P.M. me.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Saturday 06 September 08 08:26 BST (UK)
Hi Trish  Thanks for the info on marriage of Maria Cranch.  No I don't have access to Ancestry so if you could kindly let the folk who have that family tree know what I put have found and they could contact me by email
XXXX as I would be pleased to run this family tree too and see if it connects in some way with my mothers.  Thanks again Bellbird.

Email address removed by moderator. Please use the secure PM system to avoid spam and other abuses.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Saturday 06 September 08 08:29 BST (UK)
Lu Thanks for the information re probate records how do I contact The Auckland Archives you mention?  As you say family member names may well be mentioned, I would expect it if probate is like a will in naming people etc.Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 06 September 08 08:34 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird, It would be easier to PM Trish with your email address as others can get hold of it on her and use it for spam.

Hope you understand

Newbe
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 06 September 08 11:29 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

Have been trying to contact Ancestry person but ;

" Ancestry connection service is presently out of service"

AAAAHHHH ::)

Will try again later tonight and tomorrow if necessary.

Trish
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 07 September 08 00:52 BST (UK)

 ....    re probate records how do I contact The Auckland Archives you mention?


Archives New Zealand - see website

http://www.archives.govt.nz/


Lu

Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 07 September 08 11:51 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,
I still have not been able to contact person on Ancestry- for some reason still get same message as above. I tried someone else from my Tree and message was sent ??? ???

Any how being a lateral thinker left comment on Tree that he will see with my contact details. Also "g-----d" his name and found another business contact for him, so will use as last resort in a couple of days.

Trish
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Sunday 07 September 08 19:52 BST (UK)
Morning Trish   It has been suggested that rather than you give this person my email address on the Ancestry message board that I  PM you whatever that is as doing it by first method could leave me open to lots of spam and I'm getting enough as it is.  What to do you think?  Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 07 September 08 21:26 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird

To remove your email address from view in this thread, go to your reply # 7 and then click on the "modify" button (top right).   This will take you back to your original message.   Delete just your email addy, then click on the "save" button,  underneath (at left).      (Your message will be returned to this thread, minus the email address).    :D

Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 07 September 08 22:44 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

Probably a good idea to remove. I have noted your email address. Will keep you up to date later today of any developments. Got to go to work now ::)

Hi Lu,  How are you?

Trish
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 08 September 08 00:17 BST (UK)
Hi Trish

Good, thanks.    :)

Mmmm ... usually the mods are pretty quick at sweeping in and removing personal email addresses, but just thought I'd post the "self-help" instructions in case Bellbird was unsure of what to do.

Keep up the good work Trish ... you're doing a great job in endeavouring to locate Bellbird's family.    :)

Lu

Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 08 September 08 00:30 BST (UK)
I thought the mods would have been onto it quick as well.

Hope everyone is well.


Bellbird is lucky to have your help Trish

Thanks for posting the self-help Lu


Newbe
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Monday 08 September 08 19:43 BST (UK)
Morning Lu  We've been beaten to it.  The Moderator has already removed it. Thanks for your help, as you've probably guessed I'm an amateur at this and the computer language like PM is like a foreign language to me.   :D :D ::) Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 09 September 08 11:36 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

Have sent an email to the contact. He is in France so hopefully will get it tonight :D

Trish
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 11 September 08 16:54 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

Sorry, my email was returned;

" delivery status notification-failed"

Will have another think about a way around this and let you know.

Trish
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 19 September 08 14:11 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

I am STILL trying to contact person with Tree.



Trish ;D
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Friday 19 September 08 21:11 BST (UK)
Morning Trish  Thanks for your efforts and persistence in attempting to get in contact with him.    As I have only met one of my generation of this family I did a snail mail to about half of those in the phone books in the North Island ( none in South Island)  Got one reply and it looks as if she could give me the details of families, though alot of my generation have died too.  :o ::)  Ah we have sunshine again  ;D ;D ;D Spring has well and truly sprung and went out to a Daffodil Farm and picked two buckets of flowers for the oldies who enjoyed them going by the speed they disappeared and the smiles on faces.  However if most of generation of this family is no longer here maybe I'll have to start putting myself into that category.    NUH!!!!!  Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Sunday 28 September 08 06:50 BST (UK)
An interesting snippet regarding this family...............

Evening Post, Volume LXII, Issue 142, 12 December 1901, Page 6
WAIRARAPA NEWS.
CARTERTON, This Day.
A five-roomed house at Belvedere, occupied by Mr. S. Cranch and owned by Mr. T Kempton, was, with its contents, totally- destroyed by fire at 3 o'clock this morning. The family of seven children escaped in their night clothes. There was an insurance of £80 on the building and £50 on the contents in the New Zealand office .

Taken from: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Sunday 28 September 08 07:06 BST (UK)
I'll copy in my post from Bellbird's other thread so that members on this thread are aware of the info.

It might be a good idea to put these families into perspective before we waste time chasing our tails  :)

Mention has been made on this thread (and another) of the William CRANCH/Mary GOLDSWORTHY family - they are not in this line at all. If anyone wants info on that line - let me know.

From my research so far ( and I welcome corrections) this particular line  is best described, briefly, as:
Generation One
1.   William Cranch, born 1796 in South Milton, Devon, (son of Joseph Cranch and Mary Quarm) baptized 8 Jan 1797 in South Milton, Devon, died Qtr 3 1871 in West Alvington, Devon, occupation Labourer & sexton.
   He married Maria Hodge, married 4 June 1827 in Diptford, Devon.

            (eldest Child of eight)
           i.   Samuel Cranch born 1827, baptized 11 Nov 1827 in West Alvington, Devon. He married (1) Sarah Jane Gill, married Qtr 4 1852 in South Huish, Devon. He married (2) Ann Elizabeth Gillard, married 1877, born 1827 in East Portlemouth, Devon, died Qtr 1 1888.
           

Generation Two

   Samuel Cranch born 1827 married (1) Sarah Jane Gill

            Children:

           i.   William Gill Cranch born Qtr 1 1853.
           ii.   Samuel Cranch born Qtr  1 1855.
            iii.   Susan Gill Cranch, born Qtr 1 1855, baptized 1 Apl 1855 in South Huish, Devon.
            iv.   Mary Jane Cranch, born 1857, baptized 27 Sept 1857 in South Huish, Devon.
            v.   John William Cranch, born Qtr 1 1860, baptized 27 May 1860 in South Huish, Devon.
            vi.   Sarah Elizabeth Cranch, born Qtr 1 1860, baptized 27 May 1860 in South Huish, Devon.
            vii.   George Wills Gill Cranch, born Qtr 2 1862, baptized 3 Aug 1862 in South Huish, Devon, died Qtr 3 1883.
            viii.   Maria Cranch, born 1865, baptized 22 Jan 1865 in South Huish, Devon.

   
Generation Three

   William Gill Cranch, born Qtr 1 1853, baptized 3 Apl 1853 in South Huish, Devon, occupation Carter, Ag Lab, Coal worker.
   He married Sarah Ann Hales, married Qtr 3 1876, born 1855 in Kingswear, Dev.

            Children:

            i.   Sarah Maria Cranch, born Qtr 1 1877 in Dartmouth, Devon, occupation 1891 - Servant.
            ii.   William Henry Cranch, born Qtr 2 1880 in Kingsbridge or Dartmouth, Devon.
           iii.   Frederick George Cranch born Qtr 3 1881, died 16 Nov 1956 in NZ, occupation Sailmaker, then Machinist.
            He married Edith Anne James, married 1913 in New Zealand, died 25 March 1972 in NZ.
            iv.   Caroline Mabel Cranch, born Qtr 3 1883 in Dartmouth, Devon.
            v.   Mary Grace Cranch, born Qtr 2 1885 in Dartmouth, Devon.
           vi.   Edward John Cranch born Qtr 3 1887.
          vii.   Samuel Gill Cranch, born Qtr 4 1889 in Dartmouth, Devon, buried 1 July 1962 in NZ, buried in Waikumete Cemetery, NZ, occupation Farmer.
         viii.   Bertha Florence Cranch, born Qtr 4 1891 in Dartmouth, Devon
          ix.   Minnie Maud Cranch, born Qtr 1 1895 in Dartmouth, Devon

   Samuel Cranch, born Qtr  1 1855 in South Huish, Devon, baptized 1 Apl 1855 in South Huish, Devon, died 31 Jan 1919 in New Zealand, occupation 1871 -  Ag Lab, buried in Hamilton East Cemetery, Hamilton.
   He married Elizabeth Webb, married 1 May 1880 in Wellington, New Zealand, died 8 Jan 1940 buried in Hamilton.

            Children:

            i.   Thomas Norman Cranch, born 23 Sept 1896 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ, died 1 Jan 1973.
            ii.   Elizabeth Ethel Cranch, born Sept 1881 in Wellington, NZ, died 1945.
            She married Frank Roland Harrison, married 1904 in Wellington, NZ.
         iii.   William Samuel John Cranch born Mar 1884, died 13 Jan1959.
            He married Ada Florence Reynolds, married 29 Oct 1910 in Te Aroha, Auckland, NZ
            iv.   Florence Beatrice Cranch, born Dec 1885 in Wellington, NZ.
            She married Alfred Dalton Fielder, married 1916 in Hamilton, NZ.
           v.   Lily Myrtle Cranch, born Dec 1887 in Wellington, NZ.
            She married William Bowring, married 1912 in Wellington, NZ.
            vi.   Ida Alma Cranch, born Sept 1890 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ.
            She married Vivian Hazeldean Knight, married 1914 in Hamilton, NZ.
           vii.   Harold George Cranch born 1892,  died 1976.
            He married Mary Gertrude Edge.
            viii.   Annie Muriel Cranch, born Jan 1891 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ, died 1991.
            She married William Robert Norman Warren, married 1921 in Auckland, NZ.
            ix.  Vera Cranch, born 12 Oct 1904
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Sunday 28 September 08 08:17 BST (UK)
 Thank you madam  .... 

 :)  :)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Sunday 28 September 08 08:31 BST (UK)
Make that 'M'am', Mk2 !........ I'm a 'Ms'  ;)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 28 September 08 12:56 BST (UK)
Thanks MS Cranch researcher :) :) :)

Bellbird will be thrilled when she comes back on-line.


As a great man once said" build a field and they will come"

Cheers,

Trish

I love happy endings ;D
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: leiking on Monday 29 September 08 04:06 BST (UK)
Hi, its Lei-Anne Warren here.  I am a direct descendant of Norman Cranch - hes my great grandfather - he was commonly known as Thomas Norman Cranch.  My sister and I did a bit of work on this family which you can find on the LDS website.  Wow, you guys have done some amazing work on this family line.  Some of Norman's brother's and sister's children are still alive and living today.  My grandfather had 10 children and raised 3 others, he has 34 grandchildren over 40 greatgrandchildren and about 15 gggrandchildren.  So we are a rather large tribe.  Im willing to share any info that I have - the Cambridge museum has some hilarous newspaper articles on my great granddad Norman - he was a character - he is known as Thomas Norman Cranch.  One of the family farms is still in the family today.  I pull out my files and put more information on line for you.  Email me.  Lei-Anne
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 29 September 08 06:39 BST (UK)
Hi Lei-Anne

Welcome to RootsChat.     :)

Sounds like we're gonna have this CRANCH family, sorted in no time !    :D    :D

Bellbird won't believe her luck when she sees your message.
We'll all look forward to learning what you have to add (oh ... and perhaps sharing in a tale or two about great-granddad Thomas Norman ?)    ;)

Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Monday 29 September 08 10:18 BST (UK)
Hello Lei-Anne,

Am I glad to see a post from you!

Maybe you can sort out a dilemma we have at the end of the Samuel CRANCH/Elizabeth WEBB family.

Namely the Annie Muriel CRANCH/ William Robert Norman WARREN marriage.
I'd parked her at the end of that family - not knowing where she belonged. But Bellbird has no knowledge of her!
 Do you have info on that couple to share with us? Help us out of a pickle!
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: leiking on Wednesday 01 October 08 01:22 BST (UK)
Concerning Anne Muriel Cranch and William Robert Norman WARREN, my sister and I are in dispute because I don't think she belongs in this family but my sister thinks otherwise and had one of those feelings that wouldn't go away concerning her - you never know she may be one of the grandchildren.  Why I am in dispute with my sister over this is because I have a copy of Elizabeth Cranch's (nee Webb) will and it states clearly how many children there are and it names them and Anne does not feature in the will.  What I can try and do is get a copy of her birth or death certificate to clarity it.  But I'm sure I am right because she does not feature in any of the information I have on the family. 

There is also meant to be portraits of all Samuel and Elizabeth themselves and their children - so it would be interesting to see if they still exist.

Hope this helps, will try to check in everyday, but am in the middle of an assignment at university so if I'm out of touch thats why.

Lei-Anne
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Wednesday 01 October 08 02:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Lei-Anne,

RE: Annie Muriel CRANCH
Did you, by any chance, enter her into the IGI? Because whoever did thought she was born in Carterton.  I think a look-up of her birth in the indexes would be sufficient to place her correctly, based on a presumed birth date around 1901.

Lu has found her on an Electoral Roll in Auckland:
1919  Auckland East Electoral Roll

CRANCH, Annie Muriel - Public Hospital, Park road, spinster

And I found a report of her passing her Nursing Exam:

AUCKLAND WEEKLY NEWS
NURSES
RESULTS OF EXAMINATIONS
1918

NURSES’ EXAMINATIONS [AWN 01.08.1918] p.22
CRANCH, Annie M (Auckland)

Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 01 October 08 02:44 BST (UK)
Think it would be best if you are going to get a cert to get the marriage certificate.   :)

the birthplace is easy to check ....

Sure someones on it right now,  :)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 01 October 08 03:34 BST (UK)

Annie Muriel CRANCH :   

(Annie Muriel WARREN)

Cemetery record at Purewa - age at death not recorded !   Grrrr !
Died 28 September 1964  :


Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 01 October 08 03:52 BST (UK)

RE: Annie Muriel CRANCH

 I think a look-up of her birth in the indexes would be sufficient to place her correctly, based on a presumed birth date around 1901.


Mmmm ... I'd go with around 1898 (or earlier) ... she would have needed to be 21 for entry on the electoral roll.    :)  :)

Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: leiking on Wednesday 01 October 08 22:33 BST (UK)
Hi, my sister entered her on the IGI, not me as I prefer to do more research to clarify the information before I make a firm decision.  I must say that in my research on our Cranch family, I was told by the Cambridge museum that either my ggrandfather Thomas or Samuel or one of the others fathered other children - and we have the name of the mother of the child at home.  So I wouldn't be surprise if Annie is related to the family in some way - what happen was the mother of this Cranch child tried to abort the baby - did not succeed and it made the local papers as she went to Court.  I dig it out on the weekend and enter it on.  So it does pay to keep an open mind until we can find something else.  The Cambridge museum does have some excellent information on the Cranch family.  My ggrandfather's stuff will make you laugh like anything - I dig that out too.

Lei-Anne
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 01 October 08 23:23 BST (UK)

Wow Lei-Anne   ... interesting "stuff".    ::)

Looks like we're in for some "excitement" ?    ;D


Lu
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 02 October 08 09:13 BST (UK)
Lucy 2  Yes I've been quiet, my ihug/thunderbird wouldn't operate and I was looking through after work and other demands.  Also tutor from Stroke computer group came around to try and show me how to scan and other attached things.  Hope to be able to scan photos and email them, much quicker and cheaper than photocopying.   Annie Muriel Cranch born Jan 1891 - unless Elizabeth Cranch was a wonder woman she can't be my family.  Ida was born September 1890 and Annie Jan 1891   A FOUR MONTHS PREGNANCY !!!!!!!!!!
Don't think so.  One record I saw for her put her living 100 years maybe but maybe death date given on chatroom site might be more accurate.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 02 October 08 09:32 BST (UK)
Lei-Anne  The person who gave the info on John Powell Thomas Grant, take a breath,  Webb my ggfather and Jane Jolliffe Ackerman said he saw your name with a query dated 2000, he sent an email but it came back.  As you'll see on my chatroom site that alot of info has been given and questions asked.  I have "found" a cousin whose gmother is Mary a sister of Elizabeth Cranch (nee Webb)
Any chance of getting a copy of Elizabeth Cranch Will.  My cousin has a copy of Jan J Webbs she says, a long story but feelings caused her to not leave anything to Elizabeth but a sewing machine to her oldest daughter Ethel.  Could give you the whole story if you like.  Elizabeth Cranch died 8/12/1940 and buried at Hamilton East Cemetery  Location AA1-B-31 buried with Samuel.  IGI has Annie dying 1991 100years??? maybe a different one  - must check what I've printed off.  Cambridge Museum would only have info on Sam and Elizabeth, they shifted up there with unmarried part of family, others married from Carterton,  as Mum was only born in 1904 it was some time after that as she had schooling at Bevedere School.  She said she was taken from school to look after her mother a diabetic - all others married by time she was 11 she said.  The Museum said they had an Obituary for Elizabeth and some other bits and pieces.  In 1901 at Carterton the house and contents burnt down according to Evening Post Report.  Have you read in Papers Past about the rucus Jane's brother Henry caused at their place. at Upper Hutt.  Oh yes JPTG died at Upper Hutt said to be buried in St Johns Anglican Church grounds Trentham, haven't been able to trace it no gravestone I've heard.  Love to have anything you have on ggfather, something I'd love to have esp is photos of Jptg and Jane.  After he died Jane went to live in Palmerston North with her daughter Mary where she is buried but that's a story in itself as to where.  Must off tobed so I stay awake long enough to deliver my freight.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 October 08 09:40 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird

Firstly .... just a correction.    It wasn't ME who made the comment about you being quiet !    OK  ?    :)

Here's the reference from the NZ Birth Index for Annie.

1891 - CRANCH - Annie Muriel - (Folio # 1134) - Reg'd. Auckland - 2nd Quarter :

(And from the earlier posting on this thread - death record for Annie Muriel WARREN at Purewa Cemetery, Auckland - died 28 September 1964) :


 :)
Lu

Edited to add year of birth :
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Thursday 02 October 08 09:59 BST (UK)
Lu,
What year was that birth reg for Annie Muriel, please?

With an Auckland ref we can just about rule her out of Samuel's family.

Zelda Floris is now the 'spanner in the works' because with a Cambridge birth reg she is more likely to have some connection with the family.

Thanks for your sterling work in tracking down these NZ BMD refs - it really helps straighten things out.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 October 08 11:04 BST (UK)

Blimey   ...  how dopey am I    ???     Forgot the year.    :-[

1891 -  CRANCH - Annie Muriel [F#1134] Reg. Auck. 2 Q

 ;)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Thursday 02 October 08 15:45 BST (UK)
Thanks, Lu ;)
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 02 October 08 18:47 BST (UK)
Cranch Researcher  Adele researcher at Carterton hasn't seen any reference to  Annie but an email said she will look at school records again.  Wonders if her name is right.  Either way don't think the mystery woman could be my family because of birth dates e.g. 4 month pregnancy if said to be ours.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Friday 03 October 08 01:54 BST (UK)
Hello Bellbird,

You probably don't need to worry too much about Annie Muriel CRANCH around Carterton. The birth reference is for Auckland.
We have just about got what we need to say that she wasn't a direct member of the Samuel CRANCH family.
We do, however, need to wait for any info that Lei-anne has on the supposed illegitimate children before we close the door completely on Annie Muriel.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Pentony on Saturday 04 October 08 03:59 BST (UK)
Carterton reporting!

Found several mentions of CRANCH on Papers Past site, Auckland. Taranaki and Carterton... so assume several different families with the surname..  Never heard of this surname previously, but like most names, find it so interesting!! Have even asked some locals in Town, they had never come across the name previously..

I will check Parkvale School shortly, have their book here at home, save me going out!

Adele
Researcher for Carterton District and its Early Settlers Cemetery.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Sunday 05 October 08 09:18 BST (UK)
Hello Adele,
No, technically only two families.
1.The family of Samuel CRANCH/Elizabeth WEBB - Carterton> Te Aroha> Cambridge etc
Samuel's nephews Frederick George CRANCH and Samuel Gill CRANCH left Devon and settled in Auckland.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Sunday 05 October 08 09:28 BST (UK)
Oops! posted too soon! Start again.....
Hello Adele,
No, technically only two extended families.
1.  The family of Samuel CRANCH/Elizabeth WEBB - Carterton> Te Aroha> Cambridge etc
And Samuel's nephews, Frederick George CRANCH and Samuel Gill CRANCH, who left Devon and settled in Auckland.

2.  The family of William CRANCH/Mary GOLDSWORTHY - a Master mariner who based himself in the Thames/Auckland area. He was in Thames/Auckland as early as the 1850's.

They are of two different CRANCH lines within a very small area within south Devon.

Consequently, it is not surprising that current Carterton residents aren't familiar with the CRANCH surname.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Sunday 05 October 08 19:02 BST (UK)
Morning Cranch Researcher,  In addition to  Pentony's Cranch conversation I have just received an email from another Cranch.  "My sister saw your ad in the Nz Women's Weekly looking for information on Samuel and Elizabeth Cranch.  Samuel Gill Cranch, my father, went to Carterton soon after arriving in NZ aboard the Athenic, in 1907.  He learnt the Butchery trade from George Deller in Carterton.  Elizabeth is unknown to us.  We have my Cranch family history back to 1730 and would be interested to compare notes with you. Cheers " I had seen a reference to a Samuel Gill twice in the family tree but had assumed it was the latter one which you have confirmed.    It would appear with reference to FT going back to 1730 he has one generation further back than what is on the FT I have and been given through you.  No doubt the Joseph Cranch and Mary Quarm  mentioned as being parents of the earliest William we have being born in South Milton Devon 1796.  Nice to find another relation after seeming to have none that I knew of.  Like find I have a family.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Monday 06 October 08 05:30 BST (UK)
Hello Bellbird,

I'm glad to see that you seem to be making the contacts that you'd hoped for.
Maybe you could let me know the details of Samuel's offspring by email, if that's not too much trouble.

I would also love to see the start of that Tree back to 1730. As I've mentioned  previously, the earliest confirmed ancestor that I have is Joseph CRANCH who married Rebecca ELWORTHY in Sept 1768 - so his birth can be presumed to be somewhere between 1728 and 1758 ( but I don't have anything to confirm that).

I'll attach a file to illustrate the branch of the family that includes Samuel Gill and Frederick George CRANCH (with notations).

I think that everyone that needed that file has now seen it.
Please PM me for current file if the family is of interest to you.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: grannyjane on Saturday 22 May 10 02:42 BST (UK)
Hi Annie Murial Cranch (1905-1963) and Norman (William Robert) Warren were my grandparents. Muriels father was Thomas Cranch and mother Martha May Brown. Thomas had a sister Maria and parents were William Cranch and Mary Goldsworthy. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Sunday 23 May 10 05:39 BST (UK)
Hi Granny Jane  I've just got back to the computer after if playing up for sometime.  The folk you mention it appears aren't of my line but if you look at this rootschat site again about 3 or 4 above your info to me you'll see reference to the folk you mentioned.  It is by Cranch Researcher, she has alot of info on the Cranch family and as you will see that she has obviously traced your folk back to South Devon.  you should be able to contact her by PM if not any other way.  I've seen in the site Papers Past N.Z. the report of the drowning of the Captain.  It mentioned he had two sons, one who gave evidence of the drowning at the Coroners Inquest.  I have seen and will have the info somewhere as to where he and i think his wife are buried in Auckland.  If you wish to keep in contact I'd be interested to see what you can find re this family.
It would appear that the Captain was in NZ prior to my grandfather self immigrating himself to NZ. (i.e. jumping ship).  WAs Annie Muriel Cranch born in Cambridge, as I have a person of that name said to have been born in Cambridge while my family was there and as one Uncle had a child out of wedlock there I wondered if she was another.  Intriguing I have been in contact with the descendants of that child, the  boy didn't know he was adopted until he wanted a visa for a Pacific Island trip.  What a shock.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Monday 24 May 10 04:51 BST (UK)
Hi Grannyjane  If I remember right you said Annie Muriel was in Carterton.  My family were there at same time, intriguing.  Wonder if they were in touch or knew of  one another's presence.  My mother was the last of her family (born 1904) and was born there apparently started school there.  Must get hold of my contact in Carterton area and see if she knows anything.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: grannyjane on Friday 13 August 10 04:20 BST (UK)
No I don't think Annie Muriel was in Carterton. I think she grew up in Devonport, Auckland, and after marrying lived on Great Barrier island until after WWII when the family moved to Leigh, north of Auckland. She died in 1963 and had 4 children.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: grannyjane on Friday 13 August 10 04:21 BST (UK)
Annie Muriel was the youngest daughter of Thomas Wakeham Cranch and Martha May Brown
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: leiking on Monday 31 January 11 06:26 GMT (UK)
 :)Hi everyone, sorry taken so long to get back to you.  The mother who is said to have had a Cranch child to one of the Cranch men while they were living in Cambridge was a Caroline Holloway or Holloday.  The lady at the Cambridge museum when my sister and I visited it gave us that information.  As for my ggrandfather Thomas Norman Cranch commonly known as Norman, the newspaper article about him had my sister and I laughing our faces off.  Apparently he was a character - he took his ex-fiance to court to ask for the return of some gifts that he had given her.......in particular his father's trunk that he had supposingly lend to her......in turn his ex-fiance sued him for the money he had borrowed off her......in which he didn't repay when he promised he would...she explained in depth his behaviour.......demanding money off her and not showing up until he needed some more...then he would be lovey dovey..........when he wouldn't get his way resort to tantrums........threatening to kill himself...........a real dramatic person.  The Court room was filled with women laughing their heads off..........including the Judge himself.  It was so humorous, but so funny.  What's even funnier is our Granddad is so much like his father - hence father like son.  My whole family thought is was a hoot.........can't help but love them.  Bellbird how do I send you a copy of the will etc?  Also my Grandfather is Norman's only child that we know of.  His birth name was Bernard Royce Rowe (mother Alma Dulcie Rowe), he was adopted to the Butler family.  At first his name was Bernard Royce Butler, then in the 1970s he found out he was adopted and had his name changed by deed poll to Anthony John Butler - he just recently passed away on the 27 November 1910 just before his 90th birthday.  He has left a great legacy behind. He is not the child spoken about above - that child is another one......never no it may be Ggdad Norman's.......hopeful we find out....keep up the good work everyone - if I can help let me know....Until next time.....
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: bellbird on Wednesday 17 April 13 07:20 BST (UK)
Hi Cranch Researcher  If you are still on line, I noticed while trying to find my way around (unsucessfully) around this new set up that you had comments about Maria Cranch.  I have been in contact with a member of her family in Auckland who has been looking into info re that family.  Maria'a father it appears was a Ships Captain and also had two sons, one who also was a sea captain and the  other went into business.  She became a teacher.  The man I'm in contact with is descended from the latter son.  If you haven't got this family info and would like it, maybe you still have my email address and let me know if you need the info and I'll email it to you.  Was trying to find out how to send a PM in this new system and have been unable to find out how to, earlier one only have to click on it on your profile to be able to send one.   Bellbird
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Cranch researcher on Thursday 18 April 13 11:23 BST (UK)
Private email just sent to Bellbird.
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: mb42 on Thursday 01 June 17 07:40 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Ethel was my grandmother.  She had four children, (*)

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Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: Adele Pentony-Graham on Thursday 01 June 17 10:05 BST (UK)
am helping a contact in South Island for Cranch they were in Carterton.. so will email her thanks..
Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: mb42 on Saturday 03 June 17 00:49 BST (UK)
Am grand daughter of Elizabeth Ethel Harrison.  Elizabeth had four children, (*)

As I am going overseas tomorrow, I won't be able to reply to anyone for six weeks.


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Title: Re: Family of Samuel Cranch And Elizabeth nee Webb
Post by: billysbaby1 on Wednesday 11 October 17 09:01 BST (UK)
Bellbird

It's Lei-Anne. I have found the siblings of my great grandfather Thomas Norman Cranch.

William Samuel John Cranch plus his wife Ada and their son Cecil are buried in the Pukerimu Lawn cemetery, Cambridge NZ.

Harold George Cranch and his wife Mary Gertrude are buried in Te Aroha cemetery NZ. Their only son John Joseph Cranch aka Jack passed away this year and is buried in Tirau cemetery. His wife (*) lives In Tirau and their kids are scattered over the Waikato plus Auckland.

Elizabeth Ethel Cranch/Harrison and her daughter Mabel Patricia Harrison (also known as Mabel Florence Rita or Mabel Rita Harrison) are buried in Te Aroha cemetery NZ. Frank Roland Harrison is buried in Otorohanga cemetery, Otorohanga NZ.

Lilly Myrtle Cranch, her husband William Bowring plus their son Bert is buried in Waihi Public cemetery, Waihi NZ. Their other son died young and is buried in the Old Morrinsville cemetery, Morrinsville NZ.

Ida Alma Cranch plus her husband Vivian Hazeldean Knight are buried in Hamilton Park cemetery also known as Newstead cemetery. Vivian is the descendant of John Knight soap maker of London...famous for John Knight's Castile soap. Their son Stanley is still living as far as I'm aware.

My sister and I will be visiting them and will take photos.

Hope this helps. :)




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