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Twenty years or so ago a great-aunt wrote that her blacksmithing ancestors at one time ‘ran the smithy in Broken Cross’, which she described as a village just outside Macclesfield. I can’t find anything in the Census returns to confirm what she said, but later I was told by others in the family, living in Wilmslow, that Nether Alderley may also have been called ‘Broken Cross’. This would have been back in the early 1900s.
Is anyone able to confirm, please, that locals called – or maybe still call - Nether Alderley ‘Broken Cross?
Thanks
Birtle :)
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Hi Birtle
Welcome to RootsChat.
I think that Nether Alderley and Broken Cross are actually two separate places about 3 miles apart.
On the 1901 census, Nether Alderley is listed as a separate Enumeration District which begins at RG13/3317 Folio 5 Page 1.
Broken Cross appears on the 1901 Census as a part of West Macclesfield Enumeration District 8 commencing at RG13/3312 Folio 33 Page 20.
Perhaps someone who lives more locally will be able to add to that but in the meantime, I hope that it helps a little bit.
DS ;)
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go to
http://www.francisfrith.com/search/EnglandCheshire/Broken+Cross/Broken+Cross.htm
for pics and maps!
There's a pub called the Blacksmiths Arms!
Suz
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Hello Birtle & welcome to RootsChat
I'm just confirming DS's answer - Broken Cross is now on the western edge of Macclesfield - on a road map follow the A537 between Macc & the A34 at Monks' Heath - between Broken Cross & Monks' Heath is Birtles Hall - coincidence or are you linked?
Nether Alderley is between Monks' Heath & Alderley Edge.
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Hi everyone,
Many thanks for all the warm welcomes to rootschat and helpful advice.
Yes, I'd tracked down Broken Cross to just outside Macclesfield, but I couldn't find any evidence to support what my great-aunt said about our ancestors having the smithy there. So that left me wondering if there was any mileage in what other members of the family had said, namely, that when they lived in Wilmslow (early 1900s), Nether Alderley was also known by the locals as Broken Cross. I'd love to believe it, if only because that would fit in better with the family history, but I'm just a bit doubtful as to whether it was accurate recall or not, especially as I think I read somewhere that NA was sometimes called Brow Cross...
Cheers,
Birtle
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Hi again Birtles - I assume you've already tried the 1901 Census or earlier? If not, I'm sure someone will be able to help with a lookup. Otherwise have you tried the online Historical Directories website? Blacksmiths are likely to be listed in trade directories, so may well show up.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
If you're not familiar with it, it's worth ploughing through the "How to use" section, particularly the Technical FAQs.
Good hunting!
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Hi Birtle
I have a book with a chapter about Nether Alderly, which includes the Smithy Cottage which occupied the site of the blacksmith. There is also a photo of the blacksmiths at work undated.
I don't know the name of your ancestors, but there is a tombstone in the churchyard of a village blacksmith John Henshall who died on 25th September 1814 age 77.
The junction of Welsh Row and Congleton Road is known locally as Cross Brow.
Most people refer to it as Broken Cross.
Apparently the cross stood in the centre of the cross roads but was broken by the Cromwellians. It was moved to the side of the road to protect it from the heavy traffic travelling along the A34.
I will send you a personal message.
Kind regards
Su
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Birtle, further to Su's post I am sure you will find the cheshire tithe maps of great interest. If you are not familiar with them just google Cheshire Tithe Maps and go onto the Cheshire site.
If you enter the name Henshall in the person search you will be able to scroll down the pages which come up, until you reach Nether Alderley, John Henshall. I won't say anymore it will spoil your fun. Enjoy this wonderful resource.
Regards
Kathb
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Birtle, here is another find. If you look at the Frith postcard collection there is a postcard of the Nether Alderley Village Smithy 1896. It could be one of your ancestors depicted! You are able to order these online if you are interested. There is also a post from someone in the memories section refering to the Smithy.
Regards
Kathb
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Birtle, looks like the oral family history is correct, Here is some more to occupy your time.
All census data refers to the Nether Alderley Village
1891 Ref: RG12 Piece 2899 Folio 4 Page 1
Welsh Row
Isaac Henshall Retired Blacksmith aged 50 (I think this should be 60 when you see the earlier census data) Single born Nether Alderley
Ellen Henshall Single Head aged 56 (again a little incorrect) both living on own means
1881 Ref: RG11 Piece 3499 Folio 13 Page 20
Brindlow Road
Ellen Henshall 54 Unmarried Head
Isaac 50 unmarried Blacksmith
Annie Hamnet 26 Married niece born Manchester
Charles Hamnet 27 Married nephew Coachman, born Chorley
Edith E Hamnett single age 2 born Manchester
1871 RG10 Piece 3679 Folio 2 Page 1
Ellen Henshall Head unmarried 38 Blacksmiths daughter
Isaac Henshall Head do 34 Blacksmith
Ann Elizabeth Potts neice unmarried 16 born Manchester
Regards
Kathb
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Some good stuff there Su and Kathb 8)
What a difference it seems to make if you know what you are talking (writing) about ;D
Unlike ....
DS ;)
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DS, don't forget all of the little acorns make a great big Oak tree (or family tree). Every little bit of knowledge how little it seems is as you know another pixel in the picture of the family and history. I am indebted to the vast knowledge of the chatters on this site, who have helped, coached and nurtured my interest in family history.
Happy Hunting
Regards
Kathb
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Hi everyone (heh, I can hardly keep up with all these so very helpful responses!),
…so there’s mileage in the idea that Nether Alderley – or at least the junction at Welsh Row -is known locally as Broken Cross. That really does give me food for thought. Many thanks.
Even so (ever one to hedge my bets!), I guess there’s still a possibility that the great-aunt was right. Maybe her forebears – from the blacksmithing Henshaw/Henshall family - did at some point run the smithy at Broken Cross just outside Macclesfield, but they certainly weren’t there at the time of the early censuses (and that’s the period she’d have been harking back to). One possible scenario is that they had the smithy just before 1841 or in between 1841-1851, but were elsewhere at the time of both censuses.
Which brings me to the question, does anyone know when the Broken Cross smithy nr Macclesfield was founded? From what the great-aunt implied, it could have been early in the 19th century, but that’s as far as I can get.
As for the NA smithy, I think the Isaac and Ellen Henshaw in Kathb’s message are the children of Henry Henshall, smith (1786-1818), and the grandchildren of John Henshall, the NA blacksmith (1737-1814) that Su mentions. In turn, John I think was the son of Henry Henshall, yet another NA blacksmith (d.1783). From old Henry’s will (courtesy of the wonderful Cheshire RO), it would seem that he had an ‘old’ and a ‘new’ smithy in NA, both being in ‘Street Lane Ends’, which John and another son Daniel inherited. As the great aunt would have been related – though somewhat distantly – to those Henshalls, you can see why I’m curious about NA perhaps being called Broken Cross.
I hope I’ll be able to return all your kindnesses sometime, but many thanks for reading and responding to my missives in the meantime.
:)
Birtle
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Birtle, I don't know if you are aware of this given your profile name of Birtle, but---
In the England and Wales Landowners records for 1873 is the following:
Hugh Henshall, Birtle Smithey, Alderley
Extent of Lands 9-13 ARP (from Primary School this I think is Acres, Rods (Roods) and Perches!!!
Gross Estimated Rental £32
There are sites on the internet were you can enter the value in 1873 and it gives you the equivalent today.
I will see if I can find anything else pertaining to the Broken Cross Area in Macclesfield.
Regards
Kathb
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Thanks Kathb.
I'd clocked the 1873 Landowners list as something worth looking at, given a chance, but hadn't yet got round to it. I believe Hugh H at Birtles smithy was a grandson of the Daniel I mentioned earlier. He's a bit on the periphery of what I'm really looking into, but even so I couldn't help but get a bit engrossed by the whole business of who was blacksmithing where in the Wilmslow, Alderley, Chelford and Macclesfield areas in the 19th cent. Doesn't help though that I don't live anywhere near!
If you can turn up anything about Broken Cross I'll be delighted.
Btw, that's an impressive primary school that you went to - and an equally impressive memory. The most that I can remember from those days is what I've since forgotten.
:)
Birtles
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Birtle, I am still hunting on the Smithey in Broken Cross Macclesfield. If you are not aware of the following resource it has not long ago loaded the parish registers for Alderley and has many Henshall, births, marriages and deaths.
Just google Cheshire Parish Record Project.
Regards
Kathb
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Kathb, Thanks for that. No, I wasn't aware that Alderley had been loaded. I'd looked earlier in the year and saw it was in the offing, but got the CDs of the Alderley St Mary registers in any case. Money well spent. Quite apart from the enjoyment of working with the original data, I've just looked for one variant on the name Woodall that I came across whilst trawling the CDs and can't find it in the CPRP data. The record in question is the baptism on 1st June 1788 of Mary, dtr of William and Hannah Wyddal (is that a Welsh influence in the spelling?). Elsewhere W and H are called Woodall. If I've followed all the right BMD tracks (please, anyone, let me know if I'm wrong!), then Mary married Thomas Henshaw of Chorley (d.1862). Hugh H, the Birtles blacksmith, was one of their sons.
I'm so hoping that more parishes will appear on CD and CPRP soon. All in all, what fantastic resources Cheshire has.
Kind regards,
Birtle
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I am a direct descendant of Daniel Henshaw (b1750) and married to Ann Ashton. His grandfather was John Henshaw (b c1670, married to Mary Heald), and keeper to the poor. Died c1755. His son, and Daniel’s father was Henry Henshaw. Daniel and his family were blacksmiths. Daniel’s son Henry moved to Chealde Hulme and ran a smithy there. Henry had quite a large family. His son James continued to run a smithy in Cheadle Hulme, while two of his other children, William, and my gg grandfather, Thomas moved to Heaton Norris in Stockport, where they established the Stockport Lurry Company. They manufactured wheels for commercial vehicles.
Debretts research shows that John’s father was Henry Henshaw, son of William Henshaw, married to Ane Wilson about 1634. However an alternative lineage for John is apparently held in the Cheshire Family History Society records. I would like to believe the Debretts lineage is the correct one. If so they may hail back to Henshaws living at Tydnock Farm, near Marton, Cheshire, in the second half of the 16th Century.
There are several extant lineages apart from mine that hail back to Daniel.
Colin Henshaw, Tabuk.
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That's really interesting - thanks Colin. I'd got as far back as Daniel's father Henry, and had sketched in the Cheadle Hulme connection, but I'd not ventured any further back.
I too am descended from Daniel and Ann but through their son Daniel (m. Elizabeth Millington), who curiously - to my mind, given the number of smiths in the family - was a tailor, apparently. Two of their sons followed Daniel into that trade, another became a shoemaker; only sons James (b.1810 Chelford) and John (b.1820) went back to blacksmithing. James had the Green Lane/Grove St smithy in Wilmslow.
Birtle.
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Dear Birtle,
Delighted to hear from you. We are obviously cousins to the nth degree. There is another relative of ours living in Holmes Chapel also descended from Daniel Henshaw (1750 - 1826) through Daniel and Elizabeth Millington.
Please contact me at (*)
Best wishes,
Colin.
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Hello Kathb,
There is a couple of short video clips on Youtube of what Broken Cross looks like today:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mO5WFO_sZHA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbfsLhbxq4
regards
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Hi 1st post on this site
My Grandparents used to live in Smithy Cottage, Over Alderley, the disused Smithy (which still had the anvil in) was next door. One the other side of my family my aunt lives down the road from where the Broken Cross smithy used to be.
Other bits. Nether Alderley and Broken Cross are 2 totally seperate places. Welsh Row (where my grandmother was born) is in Nether Alderley. Cheadle Hulme ( where I was brought up), had its own Smithy in a place called Smithy Green.
Hope this helps
Debbie
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Dear Birtle,
I would like to hear from you, and you can find me here.
http://vsnet.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/vsnet/Mail/vsnet-campaign-be/msg00033.html
Best wishes,
Colin.
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I know this is an old post but I can remember someone asking about a smithy at broken cross.. just along from broken cross towards chelford is a pub called the Blacksmiths Arms, I had lunch there today an the land lady confirmed that it was originally a smithy.. and the old guy in the gallery opposite would know more (unfortunately the gallery was closed!) I will try to follow up on another visit.
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Hi hobbo
I got engaged to my first husband in the Blacksmiths Arms, but that's another story ;D
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William Henshaw was one of my 4x Great Grandfathers.I am descended from William Henshaw (1805-1854), through one of his daughters Maria (1845-1884), who married Samuel Pennington (1843-1919).They married on 26.9.1866 in Cheadle. William Henshaw set up "The Stockport Lurry Works" with his brother Thomas Henshaw in around 1836. He was one of ten children from Henry Henshaw (1773-1849) and Hannah. Does anyone have any dates for when Thomas Henshaw and his other brothers and sisters (apart from William and James Henshaw) were born and got married please/children from them? Also William's brother James Henshaw, had a daughter called Eliza who was born in 1865 and died in April 1868 in Stockport. There was apparantely an inquest into the death of an Eliza Henshaw in a paper called "The North Cheshire Herald" dated from May the 2nd 1868. This may well be the same Eliza, but I can't find that article anywhere. I asked "Tameside" a local studies website to try and find it for me, but could not. Does anyone know any more information about this please? Thank You very much.
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Hello and welcome to rootschat!
Henry & Hannah's children (see below) were mostly bp Alderley but some were at Cheadle; their marriages were mainly at Manchester. You should be able to find a lot of the Cheshire records free online on the Cheshire Parish Register Project website, and at least some of the Manchester marriages on www.lan-opc.org.uk :-
Mary bp 1800 mar John Kinch 1824
Daniel bp 1802 mar Ann Brown 1832
Ann bp 1803 never mar?
William bp 1805 mar Elizabeth ? (from Bangor, Wales) bef 1836
Thomas bp 1808 mar Prudence Unwin 1832
Harriet bp 1811 mar Richard Hampson 1834
Elizabeth bp 1813 never mar?
Henry bp 1816 mar Mary Ann Robinson 1842
Emma bp 1817 never mar
James bp 1822 mar Jane Fallows 1844.
Sorry, but it would take too long to go into all their various offspring!
As for James' dtr Eliza, you have me puzzled... In 1861 blacksmith James & wife Jane + their young dtrs Sarah & Eliza are living with James' wid mother Hannah. I have James dying in 1869, but his widow Jane survived him and in 1871 is living in Cheadle Hulme with children Eliza age 24 (she was bp 1847 Cheadle parish), John Henry 17 and Daniel 14. The 1881 census still has dtr Eliza (34) living with her mother Jane and brothers JH and D.
Mother Jane died in 1887. In 1891 Eliza is again living with brothers JH and D + a Sarah Jane H; likewise 1901; likewise 1911 (except no JH). I think Eliza died later that same year.
But that means that I can't square my version of James' dtr Eliza (1847-1911) with yours (1865-1868)! And I'm sorry but I also can't help with the inquest. But anyway, I hope I've helped you a bit along the way.
Birtle
PS you might also like to take a look at this webpage http://www.cheadlehulme.net/village/chhenshaw.html
Anyway, I hope this helps you a bit. Good luck with your searching.
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Thank you very much for what you have sent me Birtie. It's nice that you have listed all of the brothers and sisters, and when and who they married.This Eliza Henshaw, must have been from a completely different group of Henshaws than the one I thought of.
Cheers.
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Thank you
William Henshaw was born on the 26th of October at Cheadle Hulme. He married Elizabeth Griffiths, from Bangor, North Wales on the 23rd of December 1835 in Stockport Parish Church.
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In the "Stockport Heritage Library", online in their "Image Archive", there are loads of great old images, of the Carts, Wagons, and Car Bodies, that the Henshaw "Stockport Lurry Works" made. They are all part of "The Henshaw Collection". There's also a few photographs of the works premises. Their builds were, apparently,well known in other countries also.
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http://www.stockport.gov.uk/services/leisureculture/libraries/libraryonline/stockportimagearchive/sia/?accessionno=29810&picResultsNo=3#picInfo
I know this may be an extremely longshot but: Does anyone know who the people in this: "Henshaw Family Photo" may have been please/ have any ideas.
From pictures I have seen previously, the older man sat down at the front, to me, looks like it could have been James Henshaw (1839-1895). And it would also make sense for him to be sat in the middle of the photo, being the man in charge of the business. I believe James is also standing to the right of picture in two other photos, of carts that were being built in this archives section.
I have seen a few photos of William Charles Henshaw. The man sat on the left, holding a dog in this photo looks like it may well be him, but I'm not too sure on that one though.
Anyway, if anyone has any ideas at all as to who the rest in the picture could have been, it would be really great and interesting to hear. :) ;)
Cheers.
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I am a direct descendant of Daniel Henshaw (b1750) and married to Ann Ashton. His grandfather was John Henshaw (b c1670, married to Mary Heald), and keeper to the poor. Died c1755. His son, and Daniel’s father was Henry Henshaw. Daniel and his family were blacksmiths. Daniel’s son Henry moved to Chealde Hulme and ran a smithy there. Henry had quite a large family. His son James continued to run a smithy in Cheadle Hulme, while two of his other children, William, and my gg grandfather, Thomas moved to Heaton Norris in Stockport, where they established the Stockport Lurry Company. They manufactured wheels for commercial vehicles.
Debretts research shows that John’s father was Henry Henshaw, son of William Henshaw, married to Ane Wilson about 1634. However an alternative lineage for John is apparently held in the Cheshire Family History Society records. I would like to believe the Debretts lineage is the correct one. If so they may hail back to Henshaws living at Tydnock Farm, near Marton, Cheshire, in the second half of the 16th Century.
There are several extant lineages apart from mine that hail back to Daniel.
Colin Henshaw, Tabuk.
Hello there,
Regarding one of my 8x Great Grandads John Henshaw born in 1670:
The Cheshire Parish Register Project has John being baptised (in Wilmslow/ a parish that was in the Wilmslow district?) on the 13th of March 1670. His Father's name is down as Henry Henshaw. It does not show his Mother's name. Henry's occupation was also: "Keeper", on that record. Would this be the same as keeper to the poor like John became?
Henry's Residence is down as: "Bollin Par" on the baptism record. Is this near Prestbury?
John Henshaw marries Mary Heald in Prestbury, on the 15th of June 1708. But it seems before this, a John Henshaw married a Maria Johnson in Prestbury, on the 20th of September 1690. This may possibly have been the same one, and then Maria may have died before 1708.
Mary Henshaw (nee Heald) was buried on the 4th of April, 1755, in Alderley.
John was buried on the 25th of October 1755, in Alderley. :) ;)
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Hi everyone (heh, I can hardly keep up with all these so very helpful responses!),
…so there’s mileage in the idea that Nether Alderley – or at least the junction at Welsh Row -is known locally as Broken Cross. That really does give me food for thought. Many thanks.
Even so (ever one to hedge my bets!), I guess there’s still a possibility that the great-aunt was right. Maybe her forebears – from the blacksmithing Henshaw/Henshall family - did at some point run the smithy at Broken Cross just outside Macclesfield, but they certainly weren’t there at the time of the early censuses (and that’s the period she’d have been harking back to). One possible scenario is that they had the smithy just before 1841 or in between 1841-1851, but were elsewhere at the time of both censuses.
Which brings me to the question, does anyone know when the Broken Cross smithy nr Macclesfield was founded? From what the great-aunt implied, it could have been early in the 19th century, but that’s as far as I can get.
As for the NA smithy, I think the Isaac and Ellen Henshaw in Kathb’s message are the children of Henry Henshall, smith (1786-1818), and the grandchildren of John Henshall, the NA blacksmith (1737-1814) that Su mentions. In turn, John I think was the son of Henry Henshall, yet another NA blacksmith (d.1783). From old Henry’s will (courtesy of the wonderful Cheshire RO), it would seem that he had an ‘old’ and a ‘new’ smithy in NA, both being in ‘Street Lane Ends’, which John and another son Daniel inherited. As the great aunt would have been related – though somewhat distantly – to those Henshalls, you can see why I’m curious about NA perhaps being called Broken Cross.
I hope I’ll be able to return all your kindnesses sometime, but many thanks for reading and responding to my missives in the meantime.
:)
Birtle
Hello there,
Regarding the Henry Henshall that died in 1783, do you please have a date of death for him?
It seems that this Henry married Mary Sutton in Wilmslow by licence on the 10th of November 1735: His Wife was pregnant. On the 28th of November, 1735, in Wilmslow, they had Sara, and Catherine. Sara was buried on the 30th of July 1736. Then in Wilmslow they had baptised: Amy Henshaw, in 1737, and a Henry Henshaw in 1743.
In the Cheshire Parish Register Database for the baptism of Amy Henshaw, it has the residence down as: "CHOR" (for Chorley). This has me a bit puzzled: There is not a Village near Alderley or Wilmslow called Chorley. Would this be a reference to Chorley Hall near Alderley please/ around there?
Regarding the John Henshall that you mentioned, I can only find a baptism for him dated the 27th of Feb 1740, in Alderley. On "Family Search" the Father's name has been transcribed as: "Harry". But if he is mentioned in Henry's Will, then I suppose they must have had a John.
Then also in Alderley they also had:
Mary - Baptised 13 May 1747.
Daniel - One of my 6x Great Grandad's. He was baptised on the 12th of August 1750.
Sarah - Baptised on the 23 of June 1754.
I estimate that Henry's Wife, Mary Sutton, may have been baptised in Wilmslow, on the 19th of July, 1713. Her Father's name was Daniel.
Had Mary already died by the time that Henry had written his Will please? I have a date of burial for Mary, on the 29th of February 1776, in Alderley.
Are there any other interesting things in Henry's Will?
I do apologise for the many questions, and for me droning on. Once I start on here I sometimes get a bit carried away haha! :D
Any information regarding the above would be gratefully accepted.
Thank you. :) ;)
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In the Cheshire Parish Register Database for the baptism of Amy Henshaw, it has the residence down as: "CHOR" (for Chorley). This has me a bit puzzled: There is not a Village near Alderley or Wilmslow called Chorley. Would this be a reference to Chorley Hall near Alderley please/ around there?
This part of your query caught my eye - I grew up not far from there and I've always thought that Chorley was the original name for Alderley Edge. I think the name change had something to do with the Railway Company. There was certainly a part of the village that was known as Chorley when I was growing up - it wasn't very well defined but certainly encompassed the area around Chorley Hall.
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Regarding the Henry Henshall that died in 1783, do you please have a date of death for him?
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In the Cheshire Parish Register Database for the baptism of Amy Henshaw, it has the residence down as: "CHOR" (for Chorley). This has me a bit puzzled: There is not a Village near Alderley or Wilmslow called Chorley. Would this be a reference to Chorley Hall near Alderley please/ around there?
Regarding the John Henshall that you mentioned, I can only find a baptism for him dated the 27th of Feb 1740, in Alderley.
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Had Mary [Henry's wife] already died by the time that Henry had written his Will please? I have a date of burial for Mary, on the 29th of February 1776, in Alderley.
Are there any other interesting things in Henry's Will?
Henry was bur in Wilmslow parish 4 April 1782, and is described as 'of Chorley'; I don't have his DOD. Note, a Wilmslow burial is not unknown for residents of Chorley.
As for Chorley, the Wikipedia entry is quite helpful, as is the entry in Genuki - google the terms Chorley Cheshire Genuki (include Cheshire to help differentiate from Chorley in Lancashire). To put it very briefly, the township of Chorley included the area around the Trafford Arms Hotel (now in Alderley Edge). The junction of lanes there was known as Street Lane Ends, and is where one of the smithies mentioned in Henry's will was located.
Henry's eldest son John is an elusive character. I believe him to be the Nether Alderley blacksmith who died in Dec 1814 'age 77' and has a distinctive epitaph on his grave. But there is a problem in that his age recorded at the time of burial points to a birthdate of abt 1736/37 rather than 1740. A John H was bp in 1736, the son of Ralph & Elizabeth of Chorley (Ralph I think being a tailor), but I don't feel comfortable with identifying their son as the blacksmith. On the other hand, the content of Henry's will makes me pretty confident that his oldest son John, whom Henry describes as a 'smith', is the Nether Alderley blacksmith who d 1814.
Henry wrote his will in Sept 1781 so yes, his wife Mary was already dead. I believe she was buried in Wilmslow (as was husband Henry) on 29/2/1776, described as 'of Alderley'.
Henry's will has a lot of information which might be of interest to you, but for reasons of copyright I cannot give further detail here. Paper copies can be ordered from Cheshire Record Office, or they're online on Find My past.
:)
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Regarding the Henry Henshall that died in 1783, do you please have a date of death for him?
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In the Cheshire Parish Register Database for the baptism of Amy Henshaw, it has the residence down as: "CHOR" (for Chorley). This has me a bit puzzled: There is not a Village near Alderley or Wilmslow called Chorley. Would this be a reference to Chorley Hall near Alderley please/ around there?
Regarding the John Henshall that you mentioned, I can only find a baptism for him dated the 27th of Feb 1740, in Alderley.
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Had Mary [Henry's wife] already died by the time that Henry had written his Will please? I have a date of burial for Mary, on the 29th of February 1776, in Alderley.
Are there any other interesting things in Henry's Will?
Henry was bur in Wilmslow parish 4 April 1782, and is described as 'of Chorley'; I don't have his DOD. Note, a Wilmslow burial is not unknown for residents of Chorley.
As for Chorley, the Wikipedia entry is quite helpful, as is the entry in Genuki - google the terms Chorley Cheshire Genuki (include Cheshire to help differentiate from Chorley in Lancashire). To put it very briefly, the township of Chorley included the area around the Trafford Arms Hotel (now in Alderley Edge). The junction of lanes there was known as Street Lane Ends, and is where one of the smithies mentioned in Henry's will was located.
Henry's eldest son John is an elusive character. I believe him to be the Nether Alderley blacksmith who died in Dec 1814 'age 77' and has a distinctive epitaph on his grave. But there is a problem in that his age recorded at the time of burial points to a birthdate of abt 1736/37 rather than 1740. A John H was bp in 1736, the son of Ralph & Elizabeth of Chorley (Ralph I think being a tailor), but I don't feel comfortable with identifying their son as the blacksmith. On the other hand, the content of Henry's will makes me pretty confident that his oldest son John, whom Henry describes as a 'smith', is the Nether Alderley blacksmith who d 1814.
Henry wrote his will in Sept 1781 so yes, his wife Mary was already dead. I believe she was buried in Wilmslow (as was husband Henry) on 29/2/1776, described as 'of Alderley'.
Henry's will has a lot of information which might be of interest to you, but for reasons of copyright I cannot give further detail here. Paper copies can be ordered from Cheshire Record Office, or they're online on Find My past.
:)
Thank you again for all of this information.
Cheers. :) ;)
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In the Cheshire Parish Register Database for the baptism of Amy Henshaw, it has the residence down as: "CHOR" (for Chorley). This has me a bit puzzled: There is not a Village near Alderley or Wilmslow called Chorley. Would this be a reference to Chorley Hall near Alderley please/ around there?
This part of your query caught my eye - I grew up not far from there and I've always thought that Chorley was the original name for Alderley Edge. I think the name change had something to do with the Railway Company. There was certainly a part of the village that was known as Chorley when I was growing up - it wasn't very well defined but certainly encompassed the area around Chorley Hall.
Thank you. :)
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Actually Chorley was the original name for Alderley Edge. I confirm that when the railway was constructed concern was raised about possible confusion with Chorley in Lancashire. So the decided to name the station Alderley Edge.
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Actually Chorley was the original name for Alderley Edge. I confirm that when the railway was constructed concern was raised about possible confusion with Chorley in Lancashire. So the decided to name the station Alderley Edge.
Thank you Colin. :)
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Henry's eldest son John is an elusive character. I believe him to be the Nether Alderley blacksmith who died in Dec 1814 'age 77' and has a distinctive epitaph on his grave. But there is a problem in that his age recorded at the time of burial points to a birthdate of abt 1736/37 rather than 1740. A John H was bp in 1736, the son of Ralph & Elizabeth of Chorley (Ralph I think being a tailor), but I don't feel comfortable with identifying their son as the blacksmith. On the other hand, the content of Henry's will makes me pretty confident that his oldest son John, whom Henry describes as a 'smith', is the Nether Alderley blacksmith who d 1814.
:)
Regarding John above:
John was baptised on the 5th of February 1740 in Alderley. He could possibly have been born a few months earlier sometime in 1739.
Also, his age at burial might have just been recorded wrong. I have a few burials in my family tree who are out by 2 or 3 years from the age that they should have been recorded at burial.
:) ;)
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Kathb, Thanks for that. Quite apart from the enjoyment of working with the original data, I've just looked for one variant on the name Woodall that I came across whilst trawling the CDs and can't find it in the CPRP data. The record in question is the baptism on 1st June 1788 of Mary, dtr of William and Hannah Wyddal (is that a Welsh influence in the spelling?). Elsewhere W and H are called Woodall. If I've followed all the right BMD tracks (please, anyone, let me know if I'm wrong!), then Mary married Thomas Henshaw of Chorley (d.1862). Hugh H, the Birtles blacksmith, was one of their sons.
I'm so hoping that more parishes will appear on CD and CPRP soon. All in all, what fantastic resources Cheshire has.
Kind regards,
Birtle
This is quite interesting:
It seems from reading this, that two Henshaw brothers, married two Woodall Sisters:
One of my 5x Great Grandad's, Henry Henshaw (1773 - 1849), married Hannah Woodall. Hannah was baptised on the 7th of June 1778, in Alderley. She was also a Daughter of William and Hannah Woodall.
I think Hannah's Mother was Hannah Clark/ Clarke. Hannah and William Woodall were married in 1767, in Alderley, according to "Family Search." Hannah Clark's parish was: "Higher Peover, Cheshire." The marriage banns were dated 18th of October, and they were married on the 25th of October 1767 in Alderley:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AHannah%7E%20%2Bsurname%3AClark%7E%20%2Bbirth_place%3ACheshire%7E%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22Alderley%2C%20Cheshire%22%7E%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1767-1767%7E%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3AEngland%2CCheshire&collection_id=1614792
Hannah Woodall and Henry Henshaw married 1799, in Alderley:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH9M-9M1
Thomas Henshaw was a Brother of Henry, baptised 1782, in Alderley. I think you are probably correct. Thomas Henshaw did marry this Mary Woodall. They were married in Cheadle, on the 19th of November 1809:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHNG-4V9
:) ;)
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Debretts research shows that John’s father was Henry Henshaw, son of William Henshaw, married to Ane Wilson about 1634. However an alternative lineage for John is apparently held in the Cheshire Family History Society records. I would like to believe the Debretts lineage is the correct one. If so they may hail back to Henshaws living at Tydnock Farm, near Marton, Cheshire, in the second half of the 16th Century.
There are several extant lineages apart from mine that hail back to Daniel.
Colin Henshaw, Tabuk.
I have found out a few things about Henry Henshaw, Father of John above:
Henry was born in Hough, Wilmslow in 1642, baptised on the 22nd of April in Wilmslow, the son of William.
He married a Dorothy Upton in Wilmslow, in 1667. A "Dorothie" Henshaw, was buried in Wilmslow, in November 1667, according to the CPRD.
Then in July 1668, Henry married a Margaret "Tabor". I do not know where they got married. But I found the marriage licence on "Find My Past." On the transcription for this marriage for Henry's residence, it states that he was from: "Bolton." But if you look on the original image, it definitely says: "Bollin, in the County of Chester."
Margaret's surname has been transcribed as: "Tabor." But it could possibly have been Taylor. It might even have been Davenport. Henry was a: "Woodsman of Bollin" at the time of marriage:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f4018596%2f01357&parentid=gbprs%2fm%2f737291549%2f1&highlights=%22%22
Looking at the baptisms of this Henry's children on the CPRD, all in Wilmslow, and two burials for his children (the burials I think Spelt: "Henshall.") it seems that this Henry was a: "Keeper of Bollin Park." Bollin Park, was in the parish of Wilmslow. Apparentely, the Booth family owned the land of the park, at this time, and there was a big Mansion House on there:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zXtbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=Bollin+Park,+Sir+George+Booth&source=bl&ots=WNhdNrbBoa&sig=YD78HOff0rBgAKUkgeJRVio9Gcw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT9OqKtcrWAhWDDxoKHQN9BawQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=Bollin%20Park%2C%20Sir%20George%20Booth&f=false
Henry Henshaw may have been something like "Head Gardener" of that park, if he was previously a: "Woodsman." Or possibly something like a: "Game Keeper."
Henry was buried on the 5th of November 1686 in Wilmslow. The original image register states that he was a: "Keeper of Bollin Parke."
Find My Past has in "Inventory And Administration" (Like a Will) dated 1687, relating to this "Henry "Henshall, late of Bollin Fee, in the parish of Wilmslow." It mentions his Wife, Margaret doing the Administration of her late Husband:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS/CHS/4012440/00443&parentid=GBPRS/CHS/748067610
I do not know what became of Margaret Henshaw.
Thank you.
:) ;)
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Find My Past, kindly corrected the transcription when I notified them regarding Henry's residence when he married Margaret in 1668:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fm%2f737291549%2f1
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Then in July 1668, Henry married a Margaret "Tabor" ... Margaret's surname has been transcribed as: "Tabor." But it could possibly have been Taylor. It might even have been Davenport.
I'm well-nigh positive it's Davenport. In the marriage licence it's Davinport split between two lines thus: Davin-port of Fulshaw.
She seems still to be alive in Feb 1702/03 when the burial of Ann 'dtr of Margt Henshaw of Bollen Fee' took place. She is perhaps Margt Henshall of Styall widow who was bur at Wilmslow 10/10/1731.
:)
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Greetings from Tabuk in Saudi Arabia.
Many thanks.
Can you confirm that Henry Henshaw was the son of William Henshaw, who married Ann Wilson around 1633? He may have been born around 1605 to a Henshaw family of eleven located at Tydnock Farm outside Marton?
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Then in July 1668, Henry married a Margaret "Tabor" ... Margaret's surname has been transcribed as: "Tabor." But it could possibly have been Taylor. It might even have been Davenport.
I'm well-nigh positive it's Davenport. In the marriage licence it's Davinport split between two lines thus: Davin-port of Fulshaw.
She seems still to be alive in Feb 1702/03 when the burial of Ann 'dtr of Margt Henshaw of Bollen Fee' took place. She is perhaps Margt Henshall of Styall widow who was bur at Wilmslow 10/10/1731.
:)
Hello again,
Yes thank you very much for this. I looked at the licence again. It seems they ran out of space and put the "port" underneath. I was trying to look to see what her residence at the time of marriage was. It looks something like: "Hulshey", wherever that was/is.
:)
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It's Fulshaw, written using what looks to modern-day eyes like a double f.
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Greetings from Tabuk in Saudi Arabia.
Many thanks.
Can you confirm that Henry Henshaw was the son of William Henshaw, who married Ann Wilson around 1633? He may have been born around 1605 to a Henshaw family of eleven located at Tydnock Farm outside Marton?
Hello Colin,
Yes. I can confirm that this Henry Henshaw was the son of William Henshaw, and an Ann Wilson. He was baptised in Wilmslow. I checked on the CPRD also:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPDF-8ZF
I have managed to find a Will on "Find My Past" of a Thomas Henshaw, of: "Gawsworth, Tidnock, Cheshire" according to this transcription, he was a Yeoman:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f748127622
Here are the links to original images of this Will, on Find My Past. It seems quite difficult (for me anyway) to read. But some parts aren't too bad:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f004308013%2f00067&parentid=gbprs%2fchs%2f748127622
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f004308013%2f00068&parentid=gbprs%2fchs%2f748127622
This person was a Thomas. It is interesting because William Henshaw's first son was also called Thomas. Family search give William Henshaw's marriage to Anne Wilson as the 16th of February 1633. The CPRD give his marriage as the same date, in Wilmslow, but the year 1634.
William and Anne's first son, Thomas, was baptised in January 1635, in Wilmslow.
Along with Henry mentioned above, William and Anne had:
John Henshaw - born Oct 1638, in Hough, baptised in Wilmslow. Buried August 1640, in Wilmslow.
William Henshaw- Baptised August 1640. Born in Hough - baptised in Wilmslow.
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It's Fulshaw, written using what looks to modern-day eyes like a double f.
My apologies. Yes! That would make sense. A "township of Wilmslow":
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/22640
Thank you. :) ;)
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Then in July 1668, Henry married a Margaret "Tabor" ... Margaret's surname has been transcribed as: "Tabor." But it could possibly have been Taylor. It might even have been Davenport.
I'm well-nigh positive it's Davenport. In the marriage licence it's Davinport split between two lines thus: Davin-port of Fulshaw.
She seems still to be alive in Feb 1702/03 when the burial of Ann 'dtr of Margt Henshaw of Bollen Fee' took place. She is perhaps Margt Henshall of Styall widow who was bur at Wilmslow 10/10/1731.
:)
It doesn't seem to state anywhere on the licence where the marriage took/could have taken place.
:)
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Greetings once again. That's brilliant. Is the Thomas Henshaw of Tydnock confirmed to be William's father?
One of Thomas's children was Roger Henshaw, and according to Earwacker, he went gallivanting around the Cheshire countryside trying to raise support for Charles I in the Civil War. His property (presumably that at Tydnock was sequestered by Parliament, but he probably got it back after the Restoration.
Can you confirm this?
Best wishes,
Colin.
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On the CPRD does anyone please know where the area around Gawsworth/ area around Tidnock/Tydnock farm would be abbreviated for please?
Thank you. :) ;)
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Can you confirm that Henry Henshaw was the son of William Henshaw, who married Ann Wilson around 1633? He may have been born around 1605 to a Henshaw family of eleven located at Tydnock Farm outside Marton?
Hi Colin,
I've just looked at the original marriage records for William H and A--- Wilson. The PR is not that well written, but the BT seems pretty clear that the first name of William's bride is Amea (ie Amy) not Ann or Ane.
William's will 1666 describes him as WH ' Keeper of Bollin Fee'; he is also described thus in the bp's for his 3 sons Thomas, William & Henry. The obligation attached to his will (WH 'of Hough') gives further, very interesting info about sons' William & Henry's whereabouts - though curiously not Thomas's.
Given that Henry also became Keeper of Bollin Fee I suspect that this post - gamekeeper? not, I think, Keeper of the Poor - was passed down through a small number of generations of Henshaws. In fact, a Thomas Henshawe the elder 'de parke' was buried 5 Oct 1626 Wilmslow which might support that hypothesis. It might be difficult, however, to establish any irrefutable line of descent from him to the later-17th-century Hensha* Keepers if only because PRs in those days were notoriously incomplete and the Civil War/Commonwealth turned the keeping of records further on its head. That also means I'd proceed with extreme caution insofar as Tydnock is concerned!
Heh, it's good to be back on the Hensha* trail again after being necessarily a long time absent from it :)
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Greetings once again. That's brilliant. Is the Thomas Henshaw of Tydnock confirmed to be William's father?
One of Thomas's children was Roger Henshaw, and according to Earwacker, he went gallivanting around the Cheshire countryside trying to raise support for Charles I in the Civil War. His property (presumably that at Tydnock was sequestered by Parliament, but he probably got it back after the Restoration.
Can you confirm this?
Best wishes,
Colin.
Hello again Colin,
I had another look at the Will.
Yes Colin, this Thomas does mention having a son in his Will, called William Henshaw:
"I bequeath to my son, William Henshaw(e), twenty(?) shillings."
He does also mention having a son called Roger Henshaw.
Other names mentioned (who appear to have been his children) are:
Edmond Henshaw
Henry Henshaw
Thomas Henshaw
Mary Henshaw
Edward(?) Henshaw
Ann Henshaw
Joan (?) Henshaw
Ellen Henshaw.
Regarding his Wife: It looks like her name was Mary/ possibly Maryann/ Marion.
Once again, I will say that some parts of this Will, are really quite hard to read/ decipher. But I am very confident about the names of the Henshaw's in it, apart from the Wife, and the ones I have put a question mark against the Christian names.
There may be some people on this site who could possibly be able to decipher more from this Will, and read it better:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f004308013%2f00067&parentid=gbprs%2fchs%2f748127622
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f004308013%2f00068&parentid=gbprs%2fchs%2f748127622
Thank you. :) ;)
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Can you confirm that Henry Henshaw was the son of William Henshaw, who married Ann Wilson around 1633? He may have been born around 1605 to a Henshaw family of eleven located at Tydnock Farm outside Marton?
Hi Colin,
I've just looked at the original marriage records for William H and A--- Wilson. The PR is not that well written, but the BT seems pretty clear that the first name of William's bride is Amea (ie Amy) not Ann or Ane.
William's will 1666 describes him as WH ' Keeper of Bollin Fee'; he is also described thus in the bp's for his 3 sons Thomas, William & Henry. The obligation attached to his will (WH 'of Hough') gives further, very interesting info about sons' William & Henry's whereabouts - though curiously not Thomas's.
Given that Henry also became Keeper of Bollin Fee I suspect that this post - gamekeeper? not, I think, Keeper of the Poor - was passed down through a small number of generations of Henshaws. In fact, a Thomas Henshawe the elder 'de parke' was buried 5 Oct 1626 Wilmslow which might support that hypothesis. It might be difficult, however, to establish any irrefutable line of descent from him to the later-17th-century Hensha* Keepers if only because PRs in those days were notoriously incomplete and the Civil War/Commonwealth turned the keeping of records further on its head. That also means I'd proceed with extreme caution insofar as Tydnock is concerned!
Heh, it's good to be back on the Hensha* trail again after being necessarily a long time absent from it :)
Hello Birtle,
Is William's Will of 1666 on Find My Past please?
I didn't have a date for when he died.
Thank you. :) ;)
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Family search give William Henshaw's marriage to Anne Wilson as the 16th of February 1633. The CPRD give his marriage as the same date, in Wilmslow, but the year 1634.
Neither 1633 nor 1634 is necessarily incorrect bearing in mind that the change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar did not happen in England until 1752. In the Julian calendar the year started and ended in abt March, and was a moveable feast so to speak. Hence the date in question was at the end of the 1633 Julian year but in modern day terms was at the beginning of 1634. CPRD presents dates from such crossover periods in modern terms ie Feb 1634 but meaning Feb 1633/34; generally speaking, I find that Familysearch takes pot-luck!
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Family search give William Henshaw's marriage to Anne Wilson as the 16th of February 1633. The CPRD give his marriage as the same date, in Wilmslow, but the year 1634.
Neither 1633 nor 1634 is necessarily incorrect bearing in mind that the change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar did not happen in England until 1752. In the Julian calendar the year started and ended in abt March, and was a moveable feast so to speak. Hence the date in question was at the end of the 1633 Julian year but in modern day terms was at the beginning of 1634. CPRD presents dates from such crossover periods in modern terms ie Feb 1634 but meaning Feb 1633/34; generally speaking, I find that Familysearch takes pot-luck!
Thanks once again. :)
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Hello Birtle,
Is William's Will of 1666 on Find My Past please?
I didn't have a date for when he died.
Thank you. :) ;)
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Yep! Search William Henshall 1666 Cheshire. Note that the link takes you to midway through the images for his will etc, so click backwards as well as forwards. :)
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Hello Birtle,
Is William's Will of 1666 on Find My Past please?
I didn't have a date for when he died.
Thank you. :) ;)
Yep! Search William Henshall 1666 Cheshire. Note that the link takes you to midway through the images for his will etc, so click backwards as well as forwards. :)
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Thanks again!
:) ;)
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Hmm, Thomas H of Tydnock was bur 28 Feb 1632/33 Gawsworth, but we also have the TH the elder 'de parke' who was bur 1626 Wilmslow. Possibly a proliferation of Hensha*s in the area? Not unheard of! It might be fruitful to track down wills of the Tidnock Hensha*s to see if there's mention of any relatives, kinsmen etc that might clarify the lineage(s).
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That's wonderful. Debretts were suggestive of this family being the ancestor of William. The children amazingly all seemed to survive childhood, which is remarkable for that time. William, I seem to recall, spent some time on the estate at Dunham Massey, outside Altrincham.
Best wishes,
Colin.
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That's wonderful. Debretts were suggestive of this family being the ancestor of William. The children amazingly all seemed to survive childhood, which is remarkable for that time. William, I seem to recall, spent some time on the estate at Dunham Massey, outside Altrincham.
Best wishes,
Colin.
Hello,
Thanks Colin. What was William doing at Dunham Massey please? Was he Keeper?
This is a little interesting because I believe that the Booth's owned Dunham Massey/ the Hall there (if I have remembered that correctly).
And the Booth's also owned Bollin Park at Wilmslow. :)
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Further on the will of Thos H of Tidnock 1633:
He first names three sons individually: Hugh (that's a distinctively recurrent Hensha* name). John, William. Then Margerie his wife. Then, in a list, Roger, Edward, Henerie, Thomas, Mary, E....?, Ann, Joane, Ellen - whom he subsequently describes en bloc as his sonnes and daughters. Interestingly, one of the assessors for the probate inventory is a John Henshaw of Newbold Astbury...
I think I've found Ellen's bp in 1622 and Joan's in Jan 1619/20 Gawsworth. Are the children all named in order of seniority I wonder? The only Hugh H I have so far found in the Gawsworth PRs round about that time is the son of a Lea H... [Postscript: looks like the older children may date back to the 1590s eg Hugh, Roger, Mary. In which case Margery, see below, can not be his first wife...]
Boyd's marriage indexes records a TH married a Margery Dunbar in 1618 but I haven't yet been able to trace the original licence from which the info was apparently drawn..
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Yes, I confirm from Wikipedia that Dunham Hall belonged to the Booth family at that time. It was constructed in 1616 by Sir George Booth. William probably started work there early in his career.
Yes, the children of the Tydnock family would be from around the 1590s, while William was born around 1605. Interesting that you mention Gawsworth. The Lea Henshaw you mention is almost certainly the Lea Henshaw of Henshaw Hall, at Henshaw in Siddington. He was the son of Thomas Henshaw and Eleanor Browne, of Henshaw Hall, and was born in 1593 and died in 1631. He had a sister called Ursula. His father, Thomas, was described as "A Captaine in Ireland, slaine at Blackwater, 1598." This battle is also known as the Battle of Yellow Ford, during the O'Neill rebellion, occurring on the same date as Thomas's death, August 14th., 1598. I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
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More on 'of the park':- There are various bp entries 1606-1621 in Macclesfield St Michael PRs for the children of a John Henshaw, some of which describe him as 'of the Parke'. What struck me is the similarity between some of their names - Ellen, Hugh, Mary, Joan, John - and those of Thomas of Tidnock's offspring (see earlier in this topic). Though which park that might be I'm not sure. Macclesfield? There are various entries in the MaccStM PRs for the early 1600s (not necessarily Henshaws) which refer to 'of the park', 'de parke', 'of Macclesfield park'.
John was possibly bur 18/12/1623 MaccStM: an Elizabeth H who was bp 1621 dtr of JH 'de Parke' was bur 10 Feb 1623/24 'dtr of JH deceased'.
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The Lea Henshaw you mention is almost certainly the Lea Henshaw of Henshaw Hall, at Henshaw in Siddington. He was the son of Thomas Henshaw and Eleanor Browne, of Henshaw Hall, and was born in 1593 and died in 1631.
Lea Henshaw married Margerie Wardle 1605/1606 (transcription only seen, no precise details). Margery's will 1636 (the CRO/FindMyPast index calls her Margaret - she's not!) confirms her husband Lea is dead and that she's the sister of Thomas Wardle deceased; she is also described as MH of Siddington. There are 4 children.
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I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
Too right!! You and me both.
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Lea married Margeri Wardle - confirmed - February 16th., 1605/1606 in Prestbury.
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/a/r/Jeannette-E-Barrow/BOOK-0001/0002-0001.html
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Haha!
In the meantime.....
I have been on the CPRD.
This lineage takes our William Henshaw back to Wilmslow, and has him being the son of Thomas Henshaw "The Elder".
It begins with Thomas Henshawe, son of Thomas, baptised 4th of May 1574, in Wilmslow.
Thomas Henshawe, possible Father of the above married an Ellen Burgess, on the 17th of August 1574, in Wilmslow.
These other Henshawe's were children of Thomas, all baptised in Wilmslow:
Katharine - 2nd of Feb 1577
Jone/Joan - 9th of Oct 1578
"Annes" - 13 Oct 1581
"Allyce" - 3rd of June 1584
"Henerye" - 29 of May 1586
WILLIAM - 8th of April 1589
John - 17th of June 1592.
Thomas Henshaw, "The Elder, of The Parke" was buried in Wilmslow, on the 5th of October 1626.
This was the Thomas that Birtles had found. I had also previously glanced at this before.
Ellen Henshawe "Widow", was buried in Wilmslow on the 5th of June 1635.
On the 5th of December 1637, there was a Thomas Henshaw, buried in Wilmslow.
This could possibly have been Thomas, son of Thomas who was born in 1574.
Now, as you may see from this it would mean that our William Henshaw would have been around the age of 44, when he married Amy Wilson. But it is still very possible, people can get married at any age, haha! :)
And it would mean that our William when he died would have been around 77 years old. This also I believe would make the above William Henshaw, a very likely candidate for being ours.
When William married, his residence I believe was put down as: "Wilmslow." I can find no other baptism on the CPRD for a William Henshaw. There is also no record for a burial of a William Henshaw, in Wilmslow between the years 1589 - 1633 either.
Just as a side note from looking at the CPRD:
I found another Henshall who was a Keeper of Bollin Park:
There is a burial record for a William Henshall, dated the 26th of March 1679, in Wilmslow.
His Father is named as John Henshall: "Keeper of Bollin Park."
The above is a POSSIBILITY. :) ;)
Thank you very much.
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Yes, I confirm from Wikipedia that Dunham Hall belonged to the Booth family at that time. It was constructed in 1616 by Sir George Booth. William probably started work there early in his career.
Yes, the children of the Tydnock family would be from around the 1590s, while William was born around 1605. Interesting that you mention Gawsworth. The Lea Henshaw you mention is almost certainly the Lea Henshaw of Henshaw Hall, at Henshaw in Siddington. He was the son of Thomas Henshaw and Eleanor Browne, of Henshaw Hall, and was born in 1593 and died in 1631. He had a sister called Ursula. His father, Thomas, was described as "A Captaine in Ireland, slaine at Blackwater, 1598." This battle is also known as the Battle of Yellow Ford, during the O'Neill rebellion, occurring on the same date as Thomas's death, August 14th., 1598. I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
I take it that no baptism for William has been found for around 1605 then has it?
I also would love to take our Henshaw lineage back to 1365, haha!
:) ;)
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There is a burial record for a William Henshall, dated the 26th of March 1679, in Wilmslow.
His Father is named as John Henshall: "Keeper of Bollin Park."
My reading of his father's name is Henry :). Note in FindMyPast that the link from the index to the PR image is wrong; you'll need to go forward an image or two. The BT link is OK and clearly reads Henry!
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There is a burial record for a William Henshall, dated the 26th of March 1679, in Wilmslow.
His Father is named as John Henshall: "Keeper of Bollin Park."
My reading of his father's name is Henry :). Note in FindMyPast that the link from the index to the PR image is wrong; you'll need to go forward an image or two. The BT link is OK and clearly reads Henry!
HAHA!
Thank you Birtle. That means the above was our Henry then. :) ;)
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I take it that no baptism for William has been found for around 1605 then has it?
How about: Gawsworth 30 May 1605 [in Latin] William Henshaw son of Thomas Henshaw bp
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I take it that no baptism for William has been found for around 1605 then has it?
How about: Gawsworth 30 May 1605 [in Latin] William Henshaw son of Thomas Henshaw bp
Oh Great! Do you have a Source for this plese?
Thank you. :)
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Oh Great! Do you have a Source for this plese?
I found both the BT and the PR on FindMyPast by searching on Henshaw + variants, place Gawsworth, 1605 +/- 5 (or whatever). Also tried Wilmslow similarly. I tend not to enter first names when the records are likely to be in Latin: Guilielmus as a variant of William doesn't always get picked up on, and in this case nor was 'Wyllia' (the contraction of William). So safer to avoid first names in searching! Sometimes in desperation I even omit the surname and just home in on a specific year in a specific parish, and scroll through looking for stuff. Seeing entries in context can be very revealing. And it's fun!
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Oh Great! Do you have a Source for this plese?
I found both the BT and the PR on FindMyPast by searching on Henshaw + variants, place Gawsworth, 1605 +/- 5 (or whatever). Also tried Wilmslow similarly. I tend not to enter first names when the records are likely to be in Latin: Guilielmus as a variant of William doesn't always get picked up on, and in this case nor was 'Wyllia' (the contraction of William). So safer to avoid first names in searching! Sometimes in desperation I even omit the surname and just home in on a specific year in a specific parish, and scroll through looking for stuff. Seeing entries in context can be very revealing. And it's fun!
Thanks again Birtle,
I did manage to find a baptism for this William on Family Search:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQRQ-6BL
So where does this all leave us? (My apologies, I'm beginning to feel a bit lost, haha!)
It seems that we can connect the William Henshaw mentioned in the Will of Thomas Henshaw of Tidnock Farm as being the William of the baptism above.
:)
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So where does this all leave us? (My apologies, I'm beginning to feel a bit lost, haha!)
I'm glad I'm not the only one. There doesn't seem to be an emoti-wotsit for totally befuddled!
It seems that we can connect the William Henshaw mentioned in the Will of Thomas Henshaw of Tidnock Farm as being the William of the baptism above.
Mmmm, at the moment I haven't the foggiest. Give me a day or three to prune and chop, or maybe graft odd twigs and branches on my FTM tree, look at a few more wills etc, and I might then be able to see the wood for the trees. :)
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So where does this all leave us? (My apologies, I'm beginning to feel a bit lost, haha!)
I'm glad I'm not the only one. There doesn't seem to be an emoti-wotsit for totally befuddled!
It seems that we can connect the William Henshaw mentioned in the Will of Thomas Henshaw of Tidnock Farm as being the William of the baptism above.
Mmmm, at the moment I haven't the foggiest. Give me a day or three to prune and chop, or maybe graft odd twigs and branches on my FTM tree, look at a few more wills etc, and I might then be able to see the wood for the trees. :)
Hahaha!
Much obliged Birtle!
Thanks. ;) :D ;D
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There is a passage here, which mentions Bollin Hall, in Wilmslow, a: "Manor House of the Booth moiety of Wilmslow.":
http://archives.li.man.ac.uk/ead/search?operation=full&recid=gb133egra-egr1-3
:)
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I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
Too right!! You and me both.
Me aswell.
But I think that it may be much easier said than done to establish a connection.
This part of the post reminds me of my Warren ancestors on my tree:
I got back so far to a "Selby" Warren born 1682, the son of a William. He was born in Wilmslow.
Then I found out that the Warrens of Poynton and Stockport, were descended possibly from William the conqueror/ a relation of his. This tree shows them from Sir Edward De Warren. Another tree I found before this, showed there may have been a connection to William the Conqueror:
http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/warren.html
This shows the Warrens possible connection to William the Conqueror:
http://www.warrenfamilyhistory.com/Docs/Our%20Warrens%20in%20England.htm
The Warrens "Of Poynton and Stockport" were a very wealthy family in the Cheshire area. I thought to myself: "The areas are so close together, there might be a connection somewhere."
But no way could I find a connection between my Warrens of Wilmslow/ Stockport to these Warrens mentioned above. And there is also the fact that Warren is a very common surname.
But another way of looking at it is this: It was so far back in time that the likelihood that there isn't a connection may be very slim indeed.
And in a way, that is the way I look at our Henshaws, and trying to connect them to Henshaw Hall:
There may be a connection. But it may possibly be a few generations back from where we are looking/ think it may be. That is one option.
So in the meantime, I believe our William, was the son of Thomas Henshaw senior "Of the parke", Wilmslow.
Unless of course some more information has been found other than a baptism of William Henshaw in 1605 in Gawsworth/ Some information which may link these Gawsworth Henshaws to our Wilmslow ones. :)
Thank you.
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I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
Too right!! You and me both.
Me aswell.
I have changed my thoughts slightly from my previous post:
Looking back through all of the comments, and reading and thinking about my own comments on here I may now possibly be swaying towards our William being born in Gawsworth, rather than 1589 in Wilmslow.
I feel it to be a little more likely that somebody who was born in 1605, would get married in 1633/34. Rather than somebody who was baptised in 1589 getting married in 1633/34, at the age of 44. Gawsworth is also only 10.5 miles away from Wilmslow.
But then again. We may never know for sure one way or the other..... :) ;) ;D
Thank you.
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I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
It would be nice to view the Debretts report on the Henshaws. Can it be found on the Internet?
Thanks. :) ;)
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I just came across this on the internet:
It is from 1678. It mentions a William Henshawe of Lower Withington, aged about 21 years. This is only 6 miles from Gawsworth.
It also mentions his grandfather being a Thomas Henshawe. Some other men mentioned here were from Nether Alderley also:
http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/waleslaw/henshawe.htm
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Yes, I confirm from Wikipedia that Dunham Hall belonged to the Booth family at that time. It was constructed in 1616 by Sir George Booth. William probably started work there early in his career.
Yes, the children of the Tydnock family would be from around the 1590s, while William was born around 1605. Interesting that you mention Gawsworth. The Lea Henshaw you mention is almost certainly the Lea Henshaw of Henshaw Hall, at Henshaw in Siddington. He was the son of Thomas Henshaw and Eleanor Browne, of Henshaw Hall, and was born in 1593 and died in 1631. He had a sister called Ursula. His father, Thomas, was described as "A Captaine in Ireland, slaine at Blackwater, 1598." This battle is also known as the Battle of Yellow Ford, during the O'Neill rebellion, occurring on the same date as Thomas's death, August 14th., 1598. I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
You have probably seen this already, but there is a family tree of those Henshaws from the book: "1580 Visitation of Cheshire." It is here on image page 136:
https://ukga.org/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB=13&bookID=187&pagecount=136&submit=Next
One of the people on there was "Randoll Henshaw."
In the search results for "Randle Henshaw", there are two Cheshire Wills and Probate results here. One is dated 1580, and one is dated 1612:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=life+events+%28bmds%29&firstname=randall&firstname_variants=true&lastname=henshaw&lastname_variants=true&keywordsplace=cheshire%2c+england&sourcecountry=great+britain
:) ;)
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Further on the will of Thos H of Tidnock 1633:
He first names three sons individually: Hugh (that's a distinctively recurrent Hensha* name). John, William. Then Margerie his wife. Then, in a list, Roger, Edward, Henerie, Thomas, Mary, E....?, Ann, Joane, Ellen - whom he subsequently describes en bloc as his sonnes and daughters. Interestingly, one of the assessors for the probate inventory is a John Henshaw of Newbold Astbury...
I think I've found Ellen's bp in 1622 and Joan's in Jan 1619/20 Gawsworth. Are the children all named in order of seniority I wonder? The only Hugh H I have so far found in the Gawsworth PRs round about that time is the son of a Lea H... [Postscript: looks like the older children may date back to the 1590s eg Hugh, Roger, Mary. In which case Margery, see below, can not be his first wife...]
Boyd's marriage indexes records a TH married a Margery Dunbar in 1618 but I haven't yet been able to trace the original licence from which the info was apparently drawn..
Hello Birtle,
I found a baptism for Hugh Henshaw on Find My Past. He was baptised on the 29th of June 1595 in Gawsworth. John was baptised 16th of Jan 1596 in Gawsworth. There was a Roger baptised in 1598. Mary was baptised in 1603. The "E" is Edward. Edward was baptised in 1607.
There was a Thomas baptised 1600 in Gawsworth, son of a Thomas. He may well have died in 1620. The Thomas (son of Thomas) shown in the Will among the list of his sons, was baptised in 1625 in Gawsworth.
In all, this Thomas who wrote his will in 1632 appears to have had 12 children all baptised in Gawsworth between 1595-1625.
If our Thomas married Margery when she was very young (like 15 years old), then she may have been the mother of all of these children. From doing my family tree on "Ancestry" I have found that it was not uncommon for a woman in those times to be having a child well into her mid forties.
A Roger Henshaw was buried in Gawsworth in 1661. It may possibly be the same one who made a Will which is on Find My Past here.
It seems quite hard to read. I think it says somewhere: "late of Chalford."
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS/CHS/4012461/00103&parentid=GBPRS/CHS/748069163
This is his Inventory here. There is mention of an "Edward Henshall" at the top:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fchs%2f4012461%2f00104&parentid=gbprs%2fchs%2f748069163
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Yes, I confirm from Wikipedia that Dunham Hall belonged to the Booth family at that time. It was constructed in 1616 by Sir George Booth. William probably started work there early in his career.
Yes, the children of the Tydnock family would be from around the 1590s, while William was born around 1605. Interesting that you mention Gawsworth. The Lea Henshaw you mention is almost certainly the Lea Henshaw of Henshaw Hall, at Henshaw in Siddington. He was the son of Thomas Henshaw and Eleanor Browne, of Henshaw Hall, and was born in 1593 and died in 1631. He had a sister called Ursula. His father, Thomas, was described as "A Captaine in Ireland, slaine at Blackwater, 1598." This battle is also known as the Battle of Yellow Ford, during the O'Neill rebellion, occurring on the same date as Thomas's death, August 14th., 1598. I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
Hello Colin,
I have done a bit of looking around and re-reading of the Will of Thomas from 1632.
The children were indeed listed in age order in the will. The sons were named first. Now the only one of the names mentioned "en masse" that I can't seem to fit in is Roger Henshaw. I have found a baptism in Gawsworth for a Roger Henshaw dated 1598. However, if the children of Thomas were named in age order, including this Roger, then process of elimination would dictate that this Roger was born around 1606 in Gawsworth, but I haven't found a baptism for him.
These are the children mentioned in the Will of Thomas in the order they were mentioned, and the years they were born which I found on Find My Past, all born in Gawsworth:
Hugh Henshaw - bap 29 June 1595.
John - bap 16 Jan 1596.
William (our William?) bap 1605.
Then we have the list of children in this order mentioned in the will:
"sons and daughters of me the said Thomas Henshaw":
Roger - (born abt. 1606? Buried 1661 in Gawsworth?)
Edward - bap 1607.
Henry - bap 26 Apr 1612.
Thomas - Bap 1625.
Then following on in this order his daughters are named:
Mary - bap 1603.
Emma - bap 2 July 1609.
Ann - bap 27 Dec 1614.
Joan - bap 1619.
Ellen - bap 23 June 1622.
If you notice between the baptism of Ann and Joan Henshaw, there is a space of 5 years.
There are spaces of a few years between some of the others also.
In the meantime I have looked at something on "My Heritage".
They have a Thomas Henshall who was born in 1563 to a William Henshall and Margery (nee Gyll).
It may well be talking of the Thomas of the Will above: They have his date of death as 1632, and it also states that he had 12 children, which the Thomas of our Will had.
It states that he married Joan Garlick in 1581. I can't view where because I do not subscribe to "My Heritage". I doubt very much that this Joan was born in Sheffield, as it states here though. I don't know if there are any trees on "Ancestry" that may relate to this. I found it here:
https://www.myheritage.com/names/thomas_henshall
On Find My Past, there is a record for a burial in 1617 for a Joan Henshaw. I don't subscribe to Find My past, so have been unable to click on it to see more information. But it has come up on a search result here:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?o=eventyear&d=asc&lastname=henshaw&lastname_variants=true&keywordsplace=gawsworth&yearofbirth=1614&yearofbirth_offset=5&sourcecategory=life%20events%20(bmds)&collection=parish%20burials&sourcecountry=great%20britain
Now there may POSSIBLY be something in this, because Thomas had a daughter called Joan baptised in 1619 in Gawsworth, and so possibly being named after his dead wife who was buried in 1617. And before this baptism, the last child of Thomas, named Ann, was baptised five years previously in Gawsworth. Then in 1618, a Thomas Henshall married a Margery Dunbar.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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Hello,
I have been able to confirm a few things from the Library today looking in Find My Past:
Joan Henshaw was buried in Gawsworth on the 30th of April 1617.
In the original register on Find My Past it states in Latin:
"Joa(n) wife of Th Henshaw of Tidnock."
As Birtle previously mentioned, in 1618 a Thomas Henshaw married a Margery Dunbar by Licence. I haven't been able to find out exactly where they were married.
Then Thomas had two daughters: One called Joan, baptised 12 of January 1619 in Gawsworth. And one called Ellen, baptised 23 of June 1622.
Then there was a son Thomas baptised 24 of April 1625.
His wife "Margerie" was mentioned in the will of Thomas in 1632.
A "Margery Henshaw, Widdow" was buried in Gawsworth on the 2nd of June 1650.
Thank you. :) ;)
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That's wonderful. Debretts were suggestive of this family being the ancestor of William. The children amazingly all seemed to survive childhood, which is remarkable for that time. William, I seem to recall, spent some time on the estate at Dunham Massey, outside Altrincham.
Best wishes,
Colin.
Hello Colin,
I have found something out regarding the Henshaws and Dunham Massey via a will on family Search:
There was a William "Henshall" who was a Miller of Dunham Massey. He made his will in May 1709.
Anyway in this will he mentions his "Kinsman (or possibly Kinsmen)":
"John Henshall of Alderley, Keeper and William Shaw of Dunham Massey gent."
He made those two executors.
The John Henshall mentioned was almost certainly our John, son of Henry (1669-1731).
The William in this will also mentions his three daughters: Hannah, Mary and Margaret:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D1FQ-V67?i=141
:) ;)
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I would very much like to tie up my lineage with those of Henshaw Hall as the lineage would then go back to about 1365. That would be something!
The Debretts report did mention something about the Tydnock Farm family have a connection with Newbold Astbury, located near Congleton.
It would be nice to view the Debretts report on the Henshaws. Can it be found on the Internet?
Thanks. :) ;)
The will of Thomas Henshaw of Newbold Astbury was dated the 13th of October 1610.
In this will he mentions his sons: Thomas, and Richard(?), and Hugh. May be others but quite hard to read.
Interestingly he also mentions his "kinsman":
"Thomas Henshaw of Gawsworth.":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGBP-HQ3
:)
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Broken Cross is about a mile and half from Macclesfield Station. Not far from the A537, there is also Birtles Road there, it is possible that's where the smiths you mention was. My dad was born in Mobberley, my ancestors lived Nether Alderley, Siddington, Prestbury. My cousin lives in Knutsford.
Liz.😊
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Hi Liz
Thanks for your PM and reply. No, the riddle isn't solved but I think I'm going to 'Complete' the post all the same, as - like me - it's getting a bit long in the tooth!
My uncle (b1919) who lived in Wilmslow and Alderley Edge almost all his life said that the cross between AE and Nether Alderley was known to locals back then as Broken Cross. He would, of course, have been aware of the Broken Cross outside Macc.
But maybe it was erroneous recall...
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah, thanks for your reply. The only Broken Cross my relatives know of is the area near Macclesfield, it is still known as that on "Rightmove". I have old ordinance survey maps going back to the 1800s, and that's the only Broken Cross that is mentioned. Hope one day your mystery is solved.
Liz 😊
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Greetings Birtle from Mauritius.
It seems likely that William Henshaw born 1605 is related to the Henshaws of Tydnock Farm.
There is a full pedigree of the Henshaws of Henshaw Hall in Earwacker's "History of East Cheshire." I am told it is not 100% accurate, but it does mention the Roger Henshaw of Tydnock Farm who was raising support for Charles I during, or just before the Civil War. He had his property sequestered by Parliament, but got it back after the restoration.
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Hi Colin,
So you're chasing the night skies in Mauritius now!
I have to say I've thrown in the towel to some extent. The earliest Wm Hensh* in whom I have any confidence in admitting to my tree is the 'Keeper of Bollin Fee' (and I think, considering the line of succession within the Hensha* family, by this is meant park keeper, gamekeeper etc) who died in 1666. I suspect he was the son bp 1589 of Thomas H 'de parke' of Wilmslow.
But, to be honest, beyond that I'm not now purposefully venturing. My forays further into the past (or even forwards on occasion) have frequently given me a sore head - and not just in pursuit of Hensha*s; in all, leaving me with the feeling that I'm not just tilting at windmills, but colliding with their brick walls!
I've even fallen on stony ground - oh, what a mixing of metaphors - in trying to find any truth in the claim of my gt-grand Hensha* aunts (dtrs of James Henshaw/Mary Leah), relayed to my mother by their niece Jessie Henshaw, that they were related in some way to Henshaw of the Blind Asylum ??? Though I have to say Jessie, who was a stickler when it came to family facts, was somewhat sceptical [PS: and having looked again at the detail of Jessie's recollection, I think she was probably right to be!]
So I'm sticking with/at the blacksmiths and the keepers.
Best regards,
Sarah
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Hi Colin,
I have to say I've thrown in the towel to some extent. The earliest Wm Hensh* in whom I have any confidence in admitting to my tree is the 'Keeper of Bollin Fee' (and I think, considering the line of succession within the Hensha* family, by this is meant park keeper, gamekeeper etc) who died in 1666. I suspect he was the son bp 1589 of Thomas H 'de parke' of Wilmslow.
So I'm sticking with/at the blacksmiths and the keepers.
Best regards,
Sarah
Yes,
After much consideration I have now changed my mind back, and believe our William was the son of Thomas bap 1589 in Wilmslow.
There is "the park" association. The names of the siblings of that William's brothers all having the same names as William's children. And the oldest of William's sons was named Thomas.
There is also the fact that in the will of our William in 1666, he does not name any of his siblings. It does not say much in itself. But may suggest that our William could indeed have been 77 when he died and might have out lived his siblings. William named "Peter Bostock(e)/Bostack gent" and "John Newton, Shoemaker" as executors of his will. I may try to find out a bit about those two if I can.
William's oldest son Thomas had a child (I think anyway!) by Elizabeth Newton in Wilmslow in 1659/60 named John Newton Henshaw. In William's Will in 1666 he does not mention this John. But does mention his grandson William, son of his son Thomas. I cannot find a baptism for that William, son of Thomas anywhere.
But relating to this William:
He could possibly be the William Henshaw of Dunham Massey, Miller who made his Will in 1709. In that Will he mentions his "Kinsman, John Henshaw of Alderley Keeper," and made John a co-executor. This is just a theory of mine. But if he was a cousin would he name John as "kinsman" in his will?
Much obliged. :) ;)
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Greetings from Bowdon.
Found this source relating to Thomas Henshaw and Joan Garlick:
https://www.myheritage.com/names/thomas_henshaw
Thomas Henshaw was born in 1563, at birth place, to William Henshall and Margerie Henshaw (born Gyll).
William was born in 1540, in Chester, York (!), England.
Margerie was born in 1540, in Cheshire, England.
Thomas had 5 siblings.
Thomas married Joan Henshaw (born Garlick) on month day 1581, at age 18 at marriage place.
Joan was born in 1565, in Staffordshire, England.
They had 12 children: Thomas Henshaw, Ellen Henshaw and 10 other children.
Thomas passed away on month day 1632, at age 69 at death place.
Would be interested to see if this could be traced back further.
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Greetings from Bowdon.
Found this source relating to Thomas Henshaw and Joan Garlick:
https://www.myheritage.com/names/thomas_henshaw
Thomas Henshaw was born in 1563, at birth place, to William Henshall and Margerie Henshaw (born Gyll).
William was born in 1540, in Chester, York (!), England.
Margerie was born in 1540, in Cheshire, England.
Thomas had 5 siblings.
Thomas married Joan Henshaw (born Garlick) on month day 1581, at age 18 at marriage place.
Joan was born in 1565, in Staffordshire, England.
They had 12 children: Thomas Henshaw, Ellen Henshaw and 10 other children.
Thomas passed away on month day 1632, at age 69 at death place.
Would be interested to see if this could be traced back further.
Hello Colin.
If memory serves me right distant Cousin, this is exactly the same one I found some time ago. And it lead me to a brick wall.
And without wishing to generalise, some people put anything on their family trees. There is no such place as "Chester, York." :-[
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Greetings once again!
The exclamation mark was mine. As you say, no Chester in Yorkshire. I wonder about the research that some people have done.
However, I did find these, but I think they are a non-starter.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Henshall-2
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Henshall-33
These do not make sense to me.
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Greetings once again!
The exclamation mark was mine. As you say, no Chester in Yorkshire. I wonder about the research that some people have done.
However, I did find these, but I think they are a non-starter.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Henshall-2
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Henshall-33
These do not make sense to me.
My apologies.
I should have realised the exclamation mark was yours.
Yes, those two Wiki trees do not make sense to me either.
They have this Margerie Gyll being born in Ireland. I don't know where this birth place has come from.
It seems to describe Henshaws of Walton on Thames also. :)
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Done quite a bit of research recently, and worked out many of the descendants of Daniel Henshaw and Elizabeth Millington, plus more about my own ancestors in the Stockport Area. I am curious to find out more about Daniel Henshaw, Blacksmith, of Didsbury, son of my ggg Grandfather Henry Henshaw and Hannah Woodall, of Cheadle Hulme. Daniel lived from 1802 to 1876 and married Ann Brown. He had two sons, William, and Henry (1833 - 1894) William had three children, Daniel (1884 - 1912), George (1886 - 1966) and Herbert (1888 - 1976). I am wondering if there are any living descendants.