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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: KiwiRose on Tuesday 16 September 08 01:45 BST (UK)
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I have just come off the Family Search web site and had a look out of curiosity at their completed worldwide indexing project and see that
Irish births have been completed from 1864 - 1958
Irish marriages from 1868 - 1958
Irish deaths from 1864 - 1958
They are adding their new collections weekly to their FamilySearch Record Search site. I wonder how long it will take before the Irish get their turn?
I'm already eagerly waiting for the 1911 Antrim census due on line in October and Proni are promising that the will transcripts will be on line shortly.
Could Christmas be coming early?
KiwiRose
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Roll on ,roll on ,it will be so welcome & making searching that bit easier.The census is of great value to research.Regards Nipy - ps Happy Christmas Kiwirose
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Roll on ,roll on ,it will be so welcome & making searching that bit easier.The census is of great value to research.Regards Nipy - ps Happy Christmas Kiwirose
Bah, humbug!
Can't you guys wait until December before exchanging Christmas Greetings ???
When would you like to receive your St Patrick's Day greetings ???
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Oh Christopher , don't be a Bah humbug ! but joking a side it does my head in when I see Christmas cards on sale in september. Cheers Nipy ps I'm growing the shamrock ready for March
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Looks like you will have to wait until next year!
The National Archives of Ireland website states that the census records for Antrin,
Down and Kerry will be delayed until December 2008 at the earliest which suggests
that we will have to wait until 2009!
There is no sign of PRONI putting the will abstracts online.
There is no timetable for the Irish indexes of Birth, Marriages & Deaths coming online
at the Family Search website.
Enough to test the patience of any Irish genealogist!!
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What about meets in Belfast and Dublin so that we can visit PRONI and the National Archives in order to tell the guys responsible that the patience of Rootschatters is
being worn out due to having to wait so long for Irish records to be put online?
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A great idea Christopher. I'm only able to attend a meet in spirit as I live on the other side of the world. There are possibly hundreds of other overseas family researchers also wishing they could attend. We are unable to pop into PRONI to utilise all the records that would be pertaining to our family research in person. Whilst I am grateful for the few records they already have online I dream of being able to browse a lot more.
Regards
KiwiRose
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christopher,
I'd probably be interested in a meet in Dublin ... maybe Belfast .. maybe in the spring?
looking earlier in the thread, I'm just up to the minute - I have my broomstick ready for Oíche Shamhna tomorrow, and the scary lantern organised .. (memo : buy sweets for the little witches and ghosts) ..
so, everyone, enjoy your Halloween
eadaoin
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Kiwi, did you happen to see when those records would be searchable? I'm on the website now and see that it's completed but cant find any records for it.
Thanks...
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Hello MacGillean,
I'm not sure which website you were on but if you were referring to The National Archives of Ireland, the census records still have the date "December 2008" for their release. We are a week into December and nothing has happened yet. My excitement is building and building and I'm checking the site daily and sometimes twice!
The Familysearch Record search site doesn't seem to give any advance notice of their releases. This site is also checked out daily for the Irish BMD indexes release.
PRONI still has their will transcripts unavailable online. How long is 'shortly' available?
I wonder who will be the first Rootschatter to spot when any of these come on line?
The anticipation is getting a little too much for me.
Regards
KiwiRose.
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We might get an early Christmas present?
Latest from National Archives of Ireland website:
The 1911 Census records for Antrim, Down and Kerry will be available online on 23 December 2008.
Hopefully this time they will keep their word.
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Thank you Gortinanima for the update from the National Archives of Ireland. Fingers crossed for a 23 December release. What a fantastic Christmas present!
Regards
KiwiRose.
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Good News - the 1911 census for Antrim, Down and Kerry went
live at 6pm this evening:
Good luck in your research
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Great News ,happy christmas,regards Nipy
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I have just come off the Family Search web site and had a look out of curiosity at their completed worldwide indexing project and see that
Irish births have been completed from 1864 - 1958
Irish marriages from 1868 - 1958
Irish deaths from 1864 - 1958
Can i ask about the FAMILY Search data, when you say the above is complete, do you mean the records that they have are updated or that they have scribed the whole record set? i have never found a single record - not even to clarify data i know to be correct. Have i misunderstood what the site is about?
Marc
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Can I echo Marc's query? :-\
Kooky
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I have just come off the Family Search web site and had a look out of curiosity at their completed worldwide indexing project and see that
Irish births have been completed from 1864 - 1958
Irish marriages from 1868 - 1958
Irish deaths from 1864 - 1958
Can i ask about the FAMILY Search data, when you say the above is complete, do you mean the records that they have are updated or that they have scribed the whole record set? i have never found a single record - not even to clarify data i know to be correct. Have i misunderstood what the site is about?
Marc
Hi Marc
Familysearch are setting up a new website whch will link to actual scans of records. You can see it here:
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
To make the scans searchable, volunteers re transcribing the pages in a similar fashion to FreeBMD. The website for that project shows what has been completed, is currently being worked on or what is upcoming. You can see the completed projects including the Irish BMDs here:
http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/projects/completed_projects.jsf
Cheers
Glen
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Glen, I can see in your second link that there are many completed Irish records, however in your first link I can see a few UK records but no mention of anything Irish ... what am I missing? Where is the Irish stuff? :D
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Hi Ruskie
It means the indexes have been transcribed but the transcriptions have not been uploaded to the website. It's frustrating as they were completed some time ago. :(
Still, it will be worth the wait. :)
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Thanks spof - looking forward to them appearing online! :)
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At a guess, Family Search will hold the Irish indexes back to the Who Do You Think You Are Live show in London at the end of February, as that is the main event of the year for British releases. However, that is just a guess!
PRONI's eCATNI catalogue (currently about 60% complete) is due to go online in the next fortnight, and will be followed by Belfast and Ulster Street Directories. There are other projects in the wings at PRONI also, but I'll keep mum for those just now! :)
I think 2009 is going to be an excellent year for Irish genealogy. However, on the Ulster Historical Foundation and the Irish Family History Federation, it is worth pointing out that it is sadly now cheaper to buy Antrim and Down records from the UHF at £4 per entry, than for the same records at the IFHF, which charges 5 Euros per entry, tragically now exchanging at £4.80. This is a real pity, as the IFHF has made many excellent changes recently which were making it much better to use, including a seriously better search interface, and not so expensive costs, but it looks like the credit crunch is undoing a lot of their good work. Unfortunately the UHF site remains as unfriendly as ever with its next to useless search fields. I wish they would get into the spirit of things more and realise, like the rest of Ireland, that the market will respond favourably if they could bring their accesibility and costs into line with other British sites. I can't think of another site that charges me £30 just for the privilege of paying £2 per entry instead of £4. It's jurassic nonsense. Hopefully the IFHF can respond to the changing market conditions, and/or that the market conditions get back to normality as soon as possible.
But for the rest of Ireland - a big thumbs up and a big thank you! :)
Chris
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Sounds interesting Chris.
Waiting for WDYTYA makes sense to a degree but I would have thought the US-centric FamilySearch wouldn't bother. I wonder if they are waiting for the new site to go out of pilot.
I looj forward to hearing about PRONI's new projects. :D
Glen
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Hi Glen,
I only mention WDYTYA as a possibility because at last year's event I spoke to the Family Search team on their stand, and the fact that they were about to start the transcriptions was one of their big announcements at the event, along with the lab website itself. But as I say, it is only speculation! :)
Chris
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Chris, the transcriptions were started loooong before last years WDYTYA. I should know I did some of it. I can't see why they would wait for this years WDYTYA... perhaps they have to make sure the infrastructure is sound enough for the huge surge in us lot doing searches ;D ;D ;D
Like the rest of you , I'm really looking forward to seeing the BMDs online - it will certainly to find out what happened to ggrandfathers nieces and nephews. 1901 and 1911 haven't really thrown up any clues yet to where they all went.
wake me up when we're there please......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Well, as I said - speculation!
No chance you could release what you transcribed early is there?! :)
God loves a trier...!
Chris
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Hello
The news gets better, the waiting gets harder.
It is great to learn of further forthcoming releases of Irish records. I love the 1911 Census.
At long last Irish records are becoming more accessible for browsing on-line. For those of us who have common Irish names to search 'free browsing' is really the only way to go. (Especially if you have the oral family history but lack accurate dates.) Like Marc, I have found no definite direct family records online even on pay sites. It would cost me a small fortune following up possibilities. I suspect that the appropriate church records where available have not been released to commercial sites.The exception has been Family Search where I managed to find 4 family births.
Roll on 2009.
Regards
KiwiRose.
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I have just had a reply back regarding the Irish Bmds going on-line and this is the response.
Dear Patron,
Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support about the Irish Records. After the indexing is complete on a project several other steps need to be taken to resolve all legal issues before the indexed project is put on Record Search. We cannot tell when a record will be added to Record Search because it depends on many factors involving several different parties.
We invite you to return to Record Search often because new records are added as soon as it is legally possible to do.
Sincerely,
FamilySearch Support
rmf
I also helped transcribe the indexes and was eagerly awaiting them coming on-line. I think we just have to be patient,
I am sure they know what they are doing...wish it was a bit quicker though LOL!
Jax
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Hi Jax,
Coincidentally, I've also approached a contact at Family Search in Utah, and got a response about an hour ago...!
"What I am being told is that the Irish projects in question required additional programming due to additional fields extracted and localities needed in order to yield effective patron search experiences in the Record Search pilot. I am being told they should be added “soon” to the Record Search pilot site."
In the e-mail there is also speculation about a likely period this year in which the indexes might be uploaded, but as it is just a guess I won't list it here. Suffice to say that it looks like it will be after WDYTYA, but hopefully not too long after that.
Chris
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Hi Chris
Oops!..slightly different replies. I think wait and see would be a better reply.
I am sure they are doing their best and just want it to be right. ;)
Jax
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Now online! ;D
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Scotmum
Well spotted!
I dont know where to start! ;D
Jax
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I have been watching for the Irish records on Family Search and have just been looking at the pilot site.
I'm guessing from the lack of records relevant to my searches, the whole index is not yet up and running. Am I correct?
Cheers
Ellen
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hi ellen
I think most of it's up
from 1845(protestant marriages) -
1864 - 1958 for every thing
there are a few threads about this - worth reading through, as searching is quite fiddley
edited .. people do seem to have found gaps .. look at --
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355762.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356222.0.html
regards eadaoin
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I only came across this thread yesterday. I followed the link to the familySearch pilot site and managed to find my grandparents marriage entry and BMDs for other family members. HOORAY!!!! Thank you to whoever put the link there - I think it was Glen.
Thank goodness for easier access to Irish records at last. I have one English and one Irish parent. My Irish family tree is very sparse compared to my father's ancestors but these entries will give me something to work on.
There do seem to be some problems with the searches. I found my mother's birth while searching for something else. Later, when I put the correct info for my mother's birth I had a strange assortment of records, but not mum's birth! We obviously need lots of patience to find what we are looking for.
I'm just glad that there's something new out there at last for Irish records and can't wait for the 1911 census records for County Monaghan to find more of my Irish relatives at last.
Any tips for successful searching on this new FamilySearch pilot would be greatly appreciated.
Angela
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New topic for search tips started here:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=357532.new#new
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Update from PRONI - a database on pre-1858 wills is due to go online about March, and pre-1900 directories around about July. No formal date set as yet, but that is what they are aiming towards.
Chris
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I have just come off the Family Search web site and had a look out of curiosity at their completed worldwide indexing project and see that
Irish births have been completed from 1864 - 1958
Irish marriages from 1868 - 1958
Irish deaths from 1864 - 1958
Can i ask about the FAMILY Search data, when you say the above is complete, do you mean the records that they have are updated or that they have scribed the whole record set? i have never found a single record - not even to clarify data i know to be correct. Have i misunderstood what the site is about?
Marc
Marc,
I have found the same results as you "nothing" I go on this site all the time to check and have never been able to fine any results even for record that I already have, I have give the it lots if info = nothing,
I have given only a little info (as some one advised) and still = Nothing
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I have just come off the Family Search web site and had a look out of curiosity at their completed worldwide indexing project and see that
Irish births have been completed from 1864 - 1958
Irish marriages from 1868 - 1958
Irish deaths from 1864 - 1958
Northern Ireland records (Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry, Tyrone) only go up to 1921.
Index to Irish civil registrations can be difficult to search. Irish Diva- have you tried looking at thread of search tips here? If you are still stuck you can post some 'missing' people here with the details that you already know (date, place) and we'll see if we can find a way to search for them that might help you in other searches.
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Irish Diva
It's worth trying different types of searches to find a particular event using the family search pilot site. I have found that sometimes a record I have previously seen there doesn't come up another time even when I have narrowed the search with exact details.
Even though I have the exact details of my mother's birth and my great grandmother's death I don't get any results unless I select 'Exact, close and partial'
Angela
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There are several issues that I have noted with the new LDS Irish records site. I had just come back from a short trip to Dublin when the Irish GRO data went on line so knew the format of the index books and what I was looking for.
First, do not select any "event" before going into the site. These seem to have been provided for church register data and not linked to this data base and so no results appear when they are selected (I seem to remember that the first few days they were linked but very inconsistent). The same applies to dates as it seems to be very inconsistent in how it treats them.
You can refine by event, approximate date, etc. once you are in the database.
Otherwise, do use both a first name and a family name (and even the general district, if you are sure of it). Make sure you select the district from the drop-down list as even if you enter it exactly the same it won't recognise it and will say no results.
The database is a bit flexible in handling variations and will find a given name even if it does not occur first in the entry (e.g. Jane will also find Mary Jane). It's also very slow as it's Flash-based and not cross-linked for marriages, and not possible to select by mother's maiden name even for those entries that have this (later than in the rest of the British Isles, but that's due to the indexes being prepared that way). The date selections are also only in 10-year blocks, not a problem with less common names but a real nuisance with more frequent ones.
There seems to be a problem that if there are too many matching entries, there will be NO error message but it will only give you the first few thousand results, so that further refinements will be within only a partial set of results. Obviously, if the name you want is unusual, you can omit the district and select that just when you refine your search.
There also seem to be some issues in that entries already on IGI don't seem to be there - maybe because they got lower priority as more data (from the full register entries) was already out there, so remember to check both.
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Thank you all for your fast reply and comments and I will try them all out, I was getting a bit crazy as I have good compute skills and just could not get to the bottom of this. I am still a bit "Green" (no pun intended) in trying to research my Belfast family history and I did know when I started this that it would take time, money,& lots of detective work, but drawing complete blanks on data that I have was putting me of.
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Just realised that I may have not been explicit enough about searching on districts.
You have to begin typing the district into the box and then the drop down list will eventually appear, you sometimes need to wait for it or just reclick in the box. The more information that you have put in, the shorter the list will be (and perhaps appear more quickly). However if you mistype, then you may get no results as the list is predictive from the characters already typed.
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Have found that it's easier to get results by typing in name (first and last) then clicking bue links from top of page (event, date, place) rather than trying to use registration district.
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Have found that it's easier to get results by typing in name (first and last) then clicking bue links from top of page (event, date, place) rather than trying to use registration district.
Hi aghadowey,
I would certainly agree with you for cases where you are sure that it is picking up the complete data set (i.e. slightly more unusual names).
If the number of results is around 4 to 5 thousand then, when you check events you might find marriages are missing, or years, and several whole blocks may be missing (extreme case, only results after 1900 were returned and no marriages). This is the evidence that leads me to suppose there is some top limit, after which it "loses" the rest of the matches but does not give a warning message.
Any refinements done on these results just cuts the set down further (no extra matches appear as the unwanted ones are excluded) and so may account for some of the cases that are missing in some searches but appear in others when both approaches should have found them.
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OK, I am sure you will think I am not very bright, But something is missing here.
What good is it just seeing a name and approx date from BMD on the LDS site. How can you get the rest or more of the info.
The way everyone is talking about the LDS site I was think you could see records or transcribed record like I have received and Paid for from other sites. How do you know its the record you want, how can you see more info. It just gives the name and time frame. how do you get more info from LDS so as you can be sure this is the record you want, is this not on-line?
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The Index to Irish Civil Registrations (births, marriages, deaths) that we are talking about here is an index which gives the details needed to order the actual certificates.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
The IGI and other parts of LDS site (www.familysearch.org) contains both extracted and submitted information. It doesn't give full details found on Irish certificates and other records.
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Hello,
I cannot access the site for some reason. I get a blank page with the progress bar at 80% and I never get into the site. I have the latest version of Firefox and the latest version of Java and the latest version of Flash. Perhaps the site is on a blocked list ?? I know the government has blocked lots of non-Buddhist religious sites but a message usually appears.
Fred
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Hello,
I cannot access the site for some reason. I get a blank page with the progress bar at 80% and I never get into the site. I have the latest version of Firefox and the latest version of Java and the latest version of Flash. Perhaps the site is on a blocked list ?? I know the government has blocked lots of non-Buddhist religious sites but a message usually appears.
Fred
Have a look at this topic to see if it's the same problem.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368412.0.html
Link now added
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Hello,
I cannot access the site for some reason. I get a blank page with the progress bar at 80% and I never get into the site. I have the latest version of Firefox and the latest version of Java and the latest version of Flash. Perhaps the site is on a blocked list ?? I know the government has blocked lots of non-Buddhist religious sites but a message usually appears.
Fred
Have a look at this topic to see if it's the same problem.
What topic please ??? Everythings blank after the word problem on my screen
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I usually get in ok and it was fine yesterday, no difference.
I've just tried it again and searchlabs changed the layout once flash has loaded. I can still get in though. It apears to naturally default to Europe for me as I'm in England.
Perhaps now its taking into account your IP address this is causing the problem. I would drop familysearch an email.
I should clarify, that I'm talking about the searchlabs pilot site. I ue IE 7 to access it.
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Hello aghadowey,
I have tried with Firefox, IE7 and now IE8 and the result is the same. I have no problems with the normal site just with the pilot site.
Regards,
Fred
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Hello jc26red,
Ok, I'll do that, thanks. I think it is an external problem meaning I don't think it is a Flash issue because it happens with FF and IE.
Regards,
Fred
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Just been on the PRONI website and I see they have a new online index of pre 1858 wills up and running.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_ProniNames/SearchPage.aspx
Not as much information as on the post 1858 will calender index on the same site but a very useful tool.
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Does anyone know when the 1901 Census is going online? I know on the National Archives site they say end of 2009 to early 2110. I can't wait. Anyone know anything more?
Kathleen
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...end of 2009 to early 2110...
Only 101 years to wait then! :o
Pete
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Joking apart, I'm not optimistic as they set themselves another task to do first, with a target deadline of end of September, and no sign of that one yet either! :(
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
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I see there's a new message on the National Archives of Ireland site:
"The site is being re-developed to include full transcription of all of the data on the household forms for 1911, including religion, occupation, relationship to head of family, literacy status, county or country of origin, Irish language proficiency, specified illnesses, and child survival information. This additional information will be launched online on 29/30 December 2009.
1901 Census material, with all data transcribed, will be launched between early and mid-2010"
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
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1911 census update
A new and better search facility is now online at the 1911 census site.
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Unfortunately some streets are still showing no occupants, though:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__3_Urban/Hawkins_Street/
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And searches for the townland of Aghadowey gets Mayboy (Aghadowey) while the actual townland of Aghadowey is still listed as Aghadowney :'(
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Parts of Fermanagh are missing too [Drumully DED] but perhaps the originals are
missing?
Nothing surprises me with regard to our Irish genealogical heritage!!