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My husbands g.g.grandfather was Conway McNeice b1791 Ballymena he married Anne (would love to know her other name)
My husbands g.g.grandfather was William Morton 1781, Antrim he married Rose (would love to know her other name)
My husbands g.g. grandfater was John Shaw b1791 Antrim he married Jane (would love to know her other name)
I found in the 1851 Census Sample: All linen weavers in Ballinderry
Conway 60
Anne 60
Robert 24
Thomas 20
Isaac 16
Does anyone have anymore information on this family??
I think the Shaws and the Mortons lived in the same area of Antrim as Hugh Shaw b1827 married Rosemary Morton b1829. Their son Robert Hugh Shaw b1865 Antrim moved to Scotland married Mary McNeice b1869 Corstorphine, Edinburgh and became my husbands grandfather.
GrandmaSheila
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Hi GrandmaShiela,
Might have some trade for you w.r.t. McNIECE.
There is a nest of them in the area around Glenavy, so just North of Ballinderry.
Conway McNIECE Esq (1738-1811), of nearby Pigeontown, was the brother-in-law, best friend, and executor of James WHITTLE (~1735-~1800) who had extensive linen interests, with international business connections (especially in South America and the West Indies).
However, I don't think this CM ever married ...
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The CONWAY name is likely to derive ultimately from the major landlord in the area.
[Branding your (usually later) offspring this way was a way of showing allegiance or gratitude in those sychophantic times. Especially if you had just been allocated a particularly juicy farm rental!]
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The records of Glenavy parish church (St. Aidan's) contain the following baptismal possibilities for you:
19 May 1788 Conway, son of Thomas McNIECE
05 Nov 1792 Conway, son of John McNIECE
And earlier ...
09 dec 1738 Conway, son of Conway McNIECE
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I'm not aware of any connection with the town of Ballymena.
However, James WHITTLE, and then his youngest son Stafford WHITTLE, lived at Thistleborough in the townland of Ballyshannaghill (Ballyshannochy or Ederaowen) in Camlin parish, a few kms NW of Glenavy village.
This property is referred to as Ballymena in one of the deeds. Maybe your CM was born there ...
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I have an (incomplete) extract of McNIECE BMD records from Glenavy, assembled by a fellow researcher.
[I am sure he would send you a copy as well.
I'll send you his EMail by PM.]
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Interesting about Edinburgh.
The WHITTLEs married LATIMERs who had a presence in Morningside in the mid-19thC ...
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Y'all keep trawlin' and haulin' there!
Capt. Jock
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Hi Capt. Jock,
I have Conway McNeice 1791 son of James
who was son of Conway 1737 who died in 1811
It would appear to be the same family??
Thank you so very much for the information you have provided - perhaps as you say CM was born at the property referred to as Ballymena.
I look forward to receiving a PM.
GrandmaSheila
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My husbands g.g.grandfather was Conway McNeice b1791 Ballymena he married Anne (would love to know her other name)
My husbands g.g.grandfather was William Morton 1781, Antrim he married Rose (would love to know her other name)
My husbands g.g. grandfater was John Shaw b1791 Antrim he married Jane (would love to know her other name)
I found in the 1851 Census Sample: All linen weavers in Ballinderry
Conway 60
Anne 60
Robert 24
Thomas 20
Isaac 16
Does anyone have anymore information on this family??
I think the Shaws and the Mortons lived in the same area of Antrim as Hugh Shaw b1827 married Rosemary Morton b1829. Their son Robert Hugh Shaw b1865 Antrim moved to Scotland married Mary McNeice b1869 Corstorphine, Edinburgh and became my husbands grandfather.
GrandmaSheila
Hi first time posting and just came across this thread. I think my great grandmother was a daughter of Robert Shaw and Mary McNeice. Her name was Nellie Shaw b1909 in greendykes road Broxburn. Struggling to get much more info before 1865. Can anyone help?
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Hi first time posting and just came across this thread. I think my great grandmother was a daughter of Robert Shaw and Mary McNeice. Her name was Nellie Shaw b1909 in greendykes road Broxburn. Struggling to get much more info before 1865. Can anyone help?
Lots of information already posted on this thread (have a few good reads through to take in all the details) but new resources have come online since it was started.
Hugh Shaw b1827 married Rosemary Morton b1829. Their son Robert Hugh Shaw b1865 Antrim moved to Scotland married Mary McNeice b1869 Corstorphine, Edinburgh and became my husbands grandfather.
Hugh Shaw, son of John, married (1850) Rosemary Morton, daughter of William. Psossible death for a Rose Mary Shaw (age 39) in 1868 Ballymena district. These certificates will eventually be added to Irish Genealogy site (free).
Son James (1867) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F512-DYV
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03477/2277479.pdf
Birth certificate gives father as living in Monaghan
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This might be the same Hugh Shaw
Hugh Shaw, weaver, of Crankill married Margaret and had son Beatty according to 1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Galgorm/Crankill/930241
Beatty's birth (1883) lists parents as Hugh Shaw & Margaret Young-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02727/2002928.pdf
Son David (1871 Crankil)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03313/2214254.pdf
Son David (1873 Crankil) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03176/2164748.pdf
Daughter Margaritta (1875 Crankill)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03093/2134055.pdf
Son Thomas (1877 Crankill)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03001/2099761.pdf
Son Hamilton (1879 Crankill)- possible death 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2074919.pdf
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My husbands mother was Mary Shaw the youngest child of Robert Hugh Shaw and Mary McNeish and was born in 1911 the family did live in Greendykes Road and Nellie was her sister.
Robert Hugh Shaw died in 1936 aged 73 and is buried with Mary who died in 1941, also buried with them is their son Robert who died in 1940 (aged 39) and their son William who died in 2002 (aged 96).
This is the Shaw family:
Barbara 1887
Hugh 1890
Lizzie 1894
Maggie Steele Shaw 1897
Robert 1900
William 1902
John 1905
Nellie 1909
Mary 1911
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Thanks GrandmaShelia
My grandad was Joseph McKelvie b1928 he died 14/02/16, His mother was Nellie and father was John. I think this would mean that my grandad was your husbands cousin. He has a sister Ellen margaret (Elma) b1936 and a brother John b1945 that are living.
i still live in broxburn not far from Greendykes Road.
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I have sent you a PM.
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I have lots of information on McNeice (or McNeese) as my mother-in-law (maiden name McNeice) has a Conway McNeice in her family tree. He was her great grand father. His son James married twice and Conway is identified as a labourer on the first marriage certificate but as a porter on the second one. Most of the Conways we have identified come from Ballinderry/Glenavey but there is one from Stiles in Antrim and another from Doagh. We think my mother in law is related to the one who married Anne and had five children.
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The children were Thomas, Issac, James, Robert and Elizann.
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Hi Heather,
Very interesting post.
James WHITTLE concentrated his business (with WALLACE) at the mills at Muckamore.
[SE of Antrim town, on the South side of the river.
He bought the old manse at Ballycreggy, retiring there ~1800
Such was flattened many years ago, and now lies under the Ballycreggy Housing Estate.]
He was joined in business there by William CHAINE (who came from Ballymena town).
He married Jane WHITTLE, the only daughter, who had been looking after her aged father.
Their son, James CHAINE ("Father of the port of Larne") built Moylena Cottage.
[... and then lived at Ballycraigy House?]
Ballycraigy townland lies just to the SE of Stiles townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-upper/antrim/ballycraigy/
[N.B. Not to be confused with the ones at Ballymena, Carnmoney or Larne.
Abeit the CHAINEs move to the Larne townland later.
The townland is sometime referred to as "Balycreggy".]
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-upper/antrim/stiles/
So, reckon that that particular Conway McNEICE from there MUST have been connected to the CHAINEs/WHITTLEs by "close-by" association.
Very interested in the "Doagh" connection as well.
Such is the name of townland (encompassing the village of Doagh) just West of Ballyclare.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-upper/grange-of-doagh/doagh/
[We have a long-sought research task to prove/disprove a link between our family and the Glenavy WHITTLEs and our family?!!!]
However, note that "Doagh" is also the designation for a Civil Registration District (CRD).
[Once formal civil registration of BMD was introduced.
As such it covered parts of 35 townlands.
See my warning at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=729718.msg5745160]
Do you have any more information on the Conway McNEICE from there (geography, dates, etc.) ?
Ta,
Capt. Jock
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Griffiths Valuation records a Conway McNeice in the townland of Coggrey in the parish of Grange of Doagh, near Ballyclare. He was buried in Rashee Old Cemetery with his wife, Martha, nee Alexandra.