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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: rach27 on Thursday 25 September 08 11:36 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to locate a Matthew Haynes who emmigrated to Australia. He was born in 1900 in Staffordshire, England (probably in or around Gnosall). His father was Matthew Haynes and he had a brother called John (b. 1893, Gnosall, Staffordshire)
I found 2 records on the National Archives of Australia site which make sense, as I know there is a connection to the name Howard in the Haynes family. The record seems to relate to Matthew being in the services during WW2...
HAYNES MATTHEW :
Service Number - W48708 :
Date of birth - 23 Jul 1900 :
Place of birth - STAFFORD ENGLAND :
Place of enlistment - CLAREMONT WA :
Next of Kin - HOWARD KATHLEEN
HAYNES MATTHEW :
Service Number - WX6162 :
Date of birth - 23 Jul 1905 :
Place of birth - STAFFORD ENGLAND :
Place of enlistment - CLAREMONT WA : Next of Kin - HOWARD KATHLEEN
I'm having no luck in searching passanger lists and am struggling to find information about Matthew being in Australia.
I was wondering if anyone knows of this Matthew Haynes, has any further info on him, or can advise me on which records/websites I should be searching.
Many Thanks,
Rach
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Hi Rach and Welcome to Rootschat
You will find the two army records here as well
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs
He was initially a Private 1940 & discharged six months later. It may have been because of his age. On this record he gave his birth year as 1905 - probably to be accepted into the sevices - 1900 - he may have been too old.
He then joined a Garrison Battalion - which I think is like the home guard, but the service board folks would know for sure 1942 to 1945.
For a fee of $16.50 you can get a service record digised which may give a little more information about your man - it would have his address on enlistment & may give the relationship to his next of kin.
I have checked a couple of sites but am not finding any information about Matthew. There are links for WA here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158142.0.html
and lots of Australian links here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,399.0.html
Your post will probably get more replies on the immigrants to Australia board - a mod should be able to move it
Trish
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There is a record on findmypast for a M Haynes b.1901 from London to Fremantle in 1924....free to search but pay to view record.
and this may be him
Australian Electoral Rolls 1900-1936
1936
WA Swan - Toodyay
HAYNES, Matthew Manmanning Occ Farmer
There is no other HAYNES at the address.
Cheers
Cando
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The M Haynes who arrived in Fremantle in 1924 was aged 23 , a motor driver, and left London on board the Omar on 8th Feb 1924.
....dee
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Hi guys!
Thanks for all your info... and I'll definitely keep pursuing it. Something tells me that I'm on the right track. I came across the Electoral Roll record to and Matthew was probably in the farming industry. Farming runs right through the Haynes' in my family :)
I was wondering about the 2 birth dates on the records which I found, so it's good to get a feedback on that. Thinking about his next of Kin - Kathleen Howard - she may be his sister (a Haynes who married a Howard back in the UK) as Matthew parents had probably died... if that makes sense.
Anyway,
Thanks again!
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The M Haynes who arrived in Fremantle in 1924 was aged 23 , a motor driver, and left London on board the Omar on 8th Feb 1924.
....dee
also on this record
his last address in the UK was
14 Cross Street, Stafford
Jenn
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Hi,
As we are not able to see Matthew's death in WA, I wonder if it might be worthwhile to follow up this burial in WEST TERRACE Cemetery, South Australia.
http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/sa/adelaide/aifgndata.htm
There is no information other than the name. Matthew Courtoy Haynes.
The middle name, is very unusual. You will know if it is part of your family or not.
The graves in this section/ listing are for ex-servicemen.
A more detailed lookup can be carried out by contacting the cemetery.
A look through the WA post office directory shows he was still at Manmanning in 1938/9
Sue
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This is the death registration info available for Matthew Haynes who died in South Australia......
Matthew Courtoy HAYNES aged 46 and married of York died on 8th July 1927 at Adelaide.
Ref = Ade H 496/222
Maybe a different Matthew Haynes?
.....dee
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Hi dee,
Yes, definitely wrong chap.
Sue
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Hi,
Matthew Courtoy Haynes isn't the Matthew I'm looking for... 'Courtoy' definately doesn't pop up anywhere in my family tree.
For the Matthew that I'm looking for... I've been searching for marriage and death records in Australia and in the UK, but with no luck so far :( My mum told me the Matthew went to Australia by himself, so I guess that rules out him getting married in the UK. There was also a suggestion that one of his sisters may have joined him but I don't know how true that is.
Matthew seems to be a bit of a mystery.
Rach
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Hello there
Did you note in reply 5 the address I have given? Did it fit at all?
Jenn
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Hi Jenn,
Thanks for the address... I've been having a look through my notes but haven't matched it up yet, although I think that there's a good chance it could be correct. I'll see if I have any luck with the UK phone directories for that period.
Found out this afternoon that my dad has recieved a copy of Matthews birth certificate which confirms that the Australian service record (the 1900 one) is correct :) and that Matthews parents were called Matthew and Lucy.
Thanks again,
Rach
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There was also a suggestion that one of his sisters may have joined him but I don't know how true that is.
What were his sisters' names? Do you know?
We may be able to locate the one who came [if], especially as we now know the parental names.
Sue
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Have you found his death in Australia as yet?
Jenn
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Also on the 1901 census fo the family (the enumerator was a wee bit lazy and has put a lot of initials instead of their christian names)
there is an L C Haynes aged 7
and in 1912 on the same page
Lucy C Haynes 1912 Jan-Feb-Mar Stafford Staffordshire
John Howard 1912 Jan-Feb-Mar Stafford Staffordshire
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Did the following search...and am in a rush today -
Australian Electoral Rolls 1900-1936
1936
HOWARD Catherine Lucy 30 Fitzgerald Street, South Yarra Home duties
Only HOWARD at this address
and this possible re-marriage in 1937
HOWARD Catherine Lucy
FORDHAM Harold John
Reg# 5744
Then there is this death...perhaps she remarried again or it may not be her :-\
WILLIAMS Catherine
Father Haynes Unknown Mother Unknown WHITE
At Mildura 93 years 1978 Reg# 8335
Some leads for you or someone else to follow up.
Cheers
Cando
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I haven't found Matthews date of death yet in Australia... I'm a bit stumped!
Talking to my parents, my mother remebers him coming back to the UK for a visit around the late 1960s/early 70s... he was in his 60s. He wasn't with anyone when he visited, so he may not have married.
It looks like his sister (we think she's Mary) didn't go to join him in Australia, but went to Canada before Matthews brother John (my great grandfather) went out there. John served in the Canadian Forces but came back to the UK... I'm still researching this info as I'm not sure that I have the right Canadian Service records. I think Mary may have stayed in Canada.
The 1901 census seems to be the right one though:
John Haynes (6) ..... My Great Grandfather
L Haynes (34) .... Lucy Handley (Beckett after 1st marriage)
L C Haynes (7) ... Lucy Catherine Haynes (married John Howard)
M Haynes (45) .... Matthew Haynes (My Great Great grandfather)
M Haynes (8 months) ... Matthew Haynes (My Australia connection)
Mary Haynes (3) ... we think she went to Canada
T Haynes (5) ... Thomas Haynes
It's been a bit tricky unraveling the Haynes family, but it looks as though I'm making some progress now. The date of birth being wrong on my great grandads death certificate didn't help.
Thanks for everyones help... if anyone can discover when Matthew Haynes' died that'd be brilliant.
Rach
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Thanks cando.
I just caught your post.
I don't think this is the right person, My mum remembers John Howard (refered to as Jack) visiting her family in Staffordshire. This would have been during the 1960s/70s. I'd assume that if Lucy Catherine went to Australia, her husband would have gone to.
Thanks for looking though :)
Rach
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Hi
I noticed your request for information on Mathew Haynes born 1900. These messages are somewhat old but if you have not already found the record of his death, Ancestry has him born 23 July 1900 and his death Stafford District Oct Qtr 1980.
The Mathew Haynes I am researching was born about 1856 in Sheldon Staffordshire and in the 1881 census is with a wife Mary Ann and year old son. My grandfather's half sister was Mary Ann Lindop and I think this is her.
Would you know if your great great grandfather married twice as I am having trouble finding the family in 1891.
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Thanks for the info :)
My great great Grandfather married Lucy Beckett (nee Handley) in the 1890's if I remember right and 1856, Sheldon is ringing some bells.
I haven't looked at the family stuff for a while but I'll have a look over the weekend to see what information I have which could help.
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I know these postings are quite some years ago, but rach27 and samann, if these Matthew Haynes happen to relate back to Matthew Haynes, born Gnosall in 1776 who married Mary Ball, would you please contact me? Thanking you.
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Hi,
This post applies to the initial post for Matt Haynes, I know the thread hasn't been updated
for a while.
Matt Haynes of Stafford/Fremantle lived with my Grandma in Marston Road in his later years,
he knew her before WW2 and they eventually met again some time in the late 1960's I believe.
Matt was a grand chap, he passed away around 1980 as has been suggested, after being ill
for some time.
Wish I'd found the thread earlier, get in touch if you want to know more - or live in Stafford.
Best regards - Phil