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James Alexander Lamb was born in St Peters, Dundee, Scotland on 27 Nov 1882. He emigrated to Vancouver between Aug 1908 and Sep 1912. He was accompanied by his wife Mary b.1887 St Andrews, Fifeshire, Scotland.
Is it possible to find them on the 1911 census?
Can his death date be found?
Any information at all would be appreciated - he was my great uncle.
Thanks Laurina
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You can search the 1911 Canadian census (free) here:
www.automatedgenealogy.com
Might be worth looking at migration records on www.findmypast.com (passengers leaving U.K. 1890-1960) to find when James Alexander Lamb went to Canada. The index is free and will give name, year and port of departure as well as port of arrival and sometimes approx. year of birth.
British Columbia vital records here:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-4ACA61A/gbsearch/Deaths
Looks like James LAexander Lamb died in 1967.
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I have found the following immigration record:
1914
Port of Vancouver BC
James A Lamb, 22, barber, born Scotland , last perm residence, Vancouver BC,
contact in country from which alien came - Mother - Margaret Lamb, Dundee, Scotland,
final destination Seattle
accompanied by
Mary L Lamb, 28
Mary L Lamb, 5
Margaret Lamb, 2
Does this sound like your James?
If so I will send you the image (lots more info on it) if you PM me an email address.
Regards
Nell
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Hi Laurina,
found a James A Lamb on a passenger list -
Oct 3, 1910 - vessel: Pretorian
port of dep - Glasgow, Scotland & Moville, Ireland
port of arriv. - Quebec
est. birth yr 1882
he's travelling with his wife "Mrs - Lamb" and a daughter Mary L
Helena
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Border crossing from Canada to US - British Columbia - Manifests
1912
James A Lamb, 29, married, barber, Canadian, Race - Scotch (sic)
Last perm address, Calgary, Alberta,
Contact in country from which alien came, wife Mary Lamb, Calgary, Alberta
Final destination Seattle
Another possibility
Canadian Passenger lists 1865-1935 - Quebec, Quebec ,1910, October
Departure Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
James A Lamb, 28, married, born Scotland
Mrs Lamb, 24
Mary L
Destination Lethbridge? Alberta
Attestation Paper
Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force
5 August 1915
James A Lamb
Born Dundee Scotland
Next of Lin - Mrs Mary Lamb Wife
Address 2048 Meadow Place Victoria BC
D of B 28 Nov 1883
Trade Barber
Married
Served in the Fife and Forfar Yeomanry
British Columbia Death Index
James Alexander Lamb
Age 84
Death date - 4 Sep 1967
Place of death Vancouver
It also looks as if the females of the family returned to the UK for a visit (possibly while James was serving in the Expeditionary force?)
1917
Date of arrival 21 May 1917
Vessel Olympic
Lamb Mary, 30, married,
Yes - have been to Canada previously,
when - 1908-16
Where - Victoria,
How long - 9 years
Intention to remain in Canada permanently
Born Scotland
Race Scottish
Destination Victoria, B.C.
Lamb Mary L, 8
Lamb Margaret, 4 both children born Canada
I have enjoyed the 'hunt' - just hope that it is the right James!
Regards Nell
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Wow, That was quick and such an amazing amount of detail. I thought he only had one daughter - I know nothing about Mary at all. I'll have to track her down somehow.
Margaret was born 11 Sep 1912 and went on to marry William Stratton about 1938 - Her full name was Dorothy Margaret Lamb. I know they had one son b.1946. William Stratton b.1901 came from Govan, Scotland but Idon't know when he arrived in Canada either.
Thanks for the website links too.
Laurina ;D
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Hi Nell,
Do you know where can I find out more about the Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force - is there a website with the Attestation Papers on?.
I'm surprised the women of the family travelled home to Scotland during WW1.
Laurina
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You can view the CEF signup / attestation papers here"
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
After you have found information on your ancestor - hit the link
How to consult a file on-site or order a copy of the complete file
This can be anywhere up to hundreds of pages.( No battle history, though)
Might be reaching, but would this be your William?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04eg/
If so here he is on 1911....says they imm. in 1904
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=12261
Father is a miner at Canada West ??
Strangely enough, Andrew H. & William Hamilton are suddenly both Andrew B. & William B.
and all six children seem to have this initial given them?
and in 1906
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census06/
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In addition to the death for James Alexander Lamb on the BC Archives Vital Events Index, there are a few Mary Lamb's and one seems to match the date of birth - Mary Leslie Lamb, died in Vancouver in March 1920, aged 34yrs.
There is also a marriage for James Alexander Lamb to Ellen Wheeley/Poynton on 4 Dec 1920 in Vancouver.
I can look up the registrations on my lunch hour tomorrow to see if they are the right ones.
Lynwen
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1906 census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberts
Alberta (Lethbridge)
William Stratton head 55 born Scotland
Jane wife 35 born Scotland
Ellen daughter 12 born Scotland
Andrew son 10 born Scotland
Jessie daughter 7 born Scotland
William son 5 born Scotland
Robert son 2 born Scotland
James 1 born Alberta
Arrival in Canada 1904
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Hi Lynwen,
Thanks. I think Mary Leslie Lamb is correct as this was her full name - her mother was Mary Leslie.
There is also a marriage for James Alexander Lamb to Ellen Wheeley/Poynton on 4 Dec 1920 in Vancouver.
James certainly didn't waste much time finding a second wife! How do I go about finding out more about her? Did they have more children?
Does anyone know how I might obtain marriage and death certificates? I'm based in UK.
Thanks for the info on the Stratton's Nell - I'll need to look into this one further.
It's great how quickly you all work!
Laurina :D
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Hi Laurina,
Sorry, I should have added more of an explanation on the BMD registrations here in BC. The registrations are our equivalent of the UK BMD certificates only they contain a wealth of information like birthplace, parents names and birthplaces, immigration dates, occupation, next of kin, burial etc. The later the registration, the more information recorded.
That's the good news, the bad news is that we have stringent privacy laws that limit the publication of births to 1903, marriages to 1932 and deaths to 1987. If the event falls outside these dates, it is very difficult to obtain the information unless you are a direct relative.
Luckily, the published registration records are available on microfilm at many public libraries so it is a simple job to look up the copy and jot down the details. I just have to suffer through a couple of boring meetings before I can escape to the library at lunch! I only wish work was exciting as genealogy. :P
Lynwen
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Thanks for that,
So would I be able to find out much more about a marriage for James Alexander Lamb to Ellen Wheeley/Poynton on 4 Dec 1920 in Vancouver?
What about the deaths of James and his first wife Mary - would that give me more info?
Laurina
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Here are the details from the marriage registration of 4 Dec 1920:
James Alexander Lamb, occupation Chauffeur, Widower, Presbyterian, 38yrs old, residence – 1439 Broadway West Vancouver, born Dundee Scotland, father James Lamb born Penniciuch Scotland, mother Margaret Stewart born Dundee, groom can read and write.
Ellen Wheeley, housewife, widow, Baptist, 44yrs old, residence 235 29th Ave East Vancouver, born Basford England, father William Poynton born Nottingham, mother Martha Turner born Nottingham, bride can read and write.
Married at 1438 Broadway West by a Presbyterian minister (name illegible), Harry Warren and Lizzie Harding were the witnesses.
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Death - Mary Leslie Lamb
Mary Leslie Lamb died at Vancouver General Hospital of influenza and bronchial pneumonia, she was admitted 6 days before she died. Born on 22 Oct 1885 in Scotland, father Archibald Downie born Scotland, mother Mary Leslie born Scotland. Residence 4009 11th Ave West in Vancouver, prior to her death she lived in the city for 4yrs, in the province 4yrs and in Canada 10 yrs. James was the informant. Mary was buried on 29 Mar 1920 in Vancouver although no cemetery is listed.
and James Alexander Lamb
James Alexander Lamb died at Shaughnessy Hospital in Vancouver of bronchial pneumonia. Prior to his death he lived in the city 2 ½ months, the province 56yrs and Canada 57yrs. Residence – 1488 West 20th Street in West Vancouver. He was a widow, born Dundee Scotland on 27 Nov 1882. Occupation – Postman, Federal Civil Service. Years in Occupation 32, last worked 1950. Wife’s name Ellen Poynton. Father Lamb first name not know born in Scotland, mother not known born Scotland. The informant was his daughter Dorothy M Stratton, her address was the same as his. He was buried at Capilano View Cemetery in West Vancouver on 7 Sep 1967.
Shaughnessy Hospital was a long term care facility so he was probably admitted when his daughter could no longer care for him in the home. He must have been quite ill when he was admitted as he died only 2 1/2 months later.
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Nice, Lynwen !
William Hamilton Stratton died 1974 Vancouver ,June 20- age 73
1974-09-009498 M# B13333 GSU M# 2050337
Daughter Dorothy must be within restricted dates...
Did you see higher up the page that there was more info on Stratton...? reply #7
I also added the 1911 census url which hadn't pasted yesterday...
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Wow Lynwen, I'm very impressed, you've come up trumps again. I'm amazed with the detail on the Canadian records. This chap has been difficult to trace as he was known simply as Jack, who went to Canada.
I remember meeting Dorothy M Stratton, my father's cousin. Her and her husband visited England in 1968 and my my dad and I met them in London and took them round the main tourist sites. Dorothy - known as Margaret, gave me a head scarf with pictures of Vancouver on it which I still have 40 years later! I'm coming to visit Canada next year - can't wait!
She made quite an impression on me as a youngster.
Thanks J J for your imput - I need to investigate the Strattons as I don't know a great deal about them, I did me Bill Stratton in 1968 - he was a lovely gentleman.
I now need to find out more about Ellen, I guess she was too old to have any children with James, but did she have any from her first marriage? When did she arrive in Canada?
Your a great lot on this Canadian board - thanks again.
Laurina
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I think Dorothy died in 1996
Laurina
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cheeky Laurina! ;D
Marriage March Q. 1903
Poynton, Ellen on page Wheeley, William Henry
dist. Nottingham vol. 7b p. 469
I'm sure someone will jump on the new immigration information for you...
(children may be listed with her...)
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William Henry Wheeley died 1919 Vancouver ( Aug. 18th) Age 41
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Hmm and I just found Mary Leslie Lamb, the daughter.
Married Thomas Howard Macfarlane on Quadra Island in 1930 and she died in Port Hardy in 1973. Methinks another trip to the library is in order.....
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You're so good to me... I think I've found her birth 1909 but it has restricted access - might be available next year!
Laurina
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I've tracked Ellen Poynton. She married William Henry Wheeley in 1Q 1903 in Nottingham, England - must have travelled to Canada after that date with her husband.
Opps.. just noticed you beat me to it JJ thanks very much ;D You've found his death too that's brilliant. Thank you
Laurina
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cheeky Laurina! ;D
Marriage March Q. 1903
Poynton, Ellen on page Wheeley, William Henry
dist. Nottingham vol. 7b p. 469
I'm sure someone will jump on the new immigration information for you...
(children may be listed with her...)
Found - Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 > Halifax, Nova Scotia > 1908 > April
Date of arrival: 19 Apr 1908
Vessel: Southwark
Port of arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia and Portland, Maine
Port of departure: Liverpool, England
Wheeley, William Hy, 30, grocer, native country England, destination: Neepawa, Manitoba
Wheeley, Ellen, 32, wife, native country England, destination: Neepawa, Manitoba
Wheeley, [Mask or Mack]?, 2 1/2, child; same as above
Wheeley, Wm L, 2/12, child; same as above
Helena
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Another version of Helena's info. - this one give Ellen's children's names
Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959
Sailing from Liverpool on SS Southwark
April 9th 1908
William Henry Wheeley, 30, Baker, Reads and writes, lived Nottingham,
Address of contact in country of origin ' Main Street, Carlton, Nottingham'
Destination Neepawa, Man
Ellen Wheeley, 32, In transit (sic)
Alfred Ewart, 2, Child
William Leslie, 2 months, Child
Nell
All English, last perm residence, Nottingham,
(Ancestry index includes:
Port of arrival, Portland, Maine
Name of friend - Arthur Highway Wheeler)
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September 1905
Alfred Ewart Wheeley Basford 7b 291
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Thanks Helena and Nell,
That's excellent - I'd found those two children but couldn't prove they were Ellen's. There seems to be a daughter who died as an infant Doris Mary Wheeley b.1904 d.1904 Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Laurina
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Thanks for that child too IndisVanyar. Can't believe how much you kind folks have discovered for me in such a short time.
Laurina
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There is info re Arthur Ewart on Ancestry's One World Tree
http://trees.ancestry.ca/owt/person.aspx?pid=32875207
Nell
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Wow that's amazing IndisVanyar - there's a lot of info there and it confirms my theory that Doris was Ellen's daughter.
Arthur and I share the same birthday too!! (I'm younger)
Laurina
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And another little nugget of info :)
March 1908
William Leslie Wheeley Basford 7b 319
Nell
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And do you already have this?
June 1904
Doris Mary Wheeley Basford 7b 293
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Name of friend - Arthur Highway Wheeler)
I think that this must be William's brother if the info on the One World Tree is correct, mistranscribed as Wheeler.
I have had no success as yet locating any of them in a census :(
Perhaps someone else will see whatever I am not seeing.
Nell
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Should be on 1911 but can't spot the Wheeley family...already moved on, or horribly misstrancribed...
found another family came over around the same time...so should be in this district! :-\
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=45223
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I give up I can't find them :P J.J.
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Here are the results of library trip #2!
Marriage of Mary Leslie Lamb and Thomas Howard Macfarlane
Mary - occupation waitress, spinster, 21 yrs, denomination United Church of Canada, residence Vancouver, born St Andrews Scotland, father James Alexander Lamb born Glasgow Scotland, mother Mary Leslie Downie born St Andrews Scotland. Bride could read and write.
Thomas - occupation trainman, bachelor, 28yrs, Roman Catholic, residence Camp 3 Bloedel, born Vancouver, father John Howard Macfarlane born Kilkenny Ireland, mother's surname Rothe born Alsace France. Groom could read and write.
They were married at St John's Anglican Church in Quathiaski Cove on Quadra Island. Witnesses were H. Elizabeth Hagherg and the second one is illegible.
Death Mary Leslie Macfarlane
Died at Port Hardy Hospital, in city 11yrs province 63yrs Canada 63yrs, born 6 Feb 1909 St Andrews Scotland, residence Coal Harbour BC, father James Alexander Lamb born Scotland, mother Mary Leslie Downie born Scotland, occupation housewife, husband Thomas was the informant, COD Carcinomatosis, breast cancer 2yrs. Mary was cremated on 26 Jan 1973.
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Death of William Henry Wheeley
Born 11 Feb 1878 in England, occupation Employee of ? (couldn't read the name - I know of two that operated in Vancouver, the Rogers and the BC) Sugar Refinery, died at Vancouver General Hospital, admitted 3 days before death, COD Auto Accident fractured leg ruptured spleen died of septicemia. Residence 235 29th Ave East Vancouver, in Vancouver 10mos, in BC 10mos, in Canada 11yrs, father James Alfred Wheeley born England, mother Mary Highway born England, informant was Arthur Wheeley of 853 Jervis Street. Buried at Mountain View Cemetery on 20 Aug 1919. There was an inquest held.
I think Arthur Highway Wheeley was his brother (noted as a possibility earlier in the thread). There is a death reg for Arthur, died Esquimalt on 8 May 1965 aged 90yrs. I couldn't find any other relevant Wheeley registrations.
I also looked up the death reg of William Hamilton Stratton but I don't think he is the right one. Oddly the death cert notes that he was known as Wm Hamilton Stratton but his birth certificate shows Bulloch William. He died at Shaughnessy Hospital, also listed as his residence, he was single, retired, born in Scotland on 16 Dec 1900, father William Stratton and mother Jean Hamilton both born Scotland. The informant was his brother A.H. Stratton. William died of heart disease and cirrhosis of the liver.
I'm not sure how he can be a Bulloch when everyone else was a Stratton but I think the single status rules him out.
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footers.... :P too ,bad it's the wrong fella...! :-\ J.J.
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I've had a good search for my William Stratton - still don't know when he arrived in Canada but I've found the family in Scotland in 1901 Census. I've also found a younger brother b.1907 in Thurso, Caithness.
They must have departed from Scotland sometime after his birth - Mar 1907.
The family should be as follows.
John Mason Stratton b.1868, Thurso East, Caithness, Scotland - occ. Baker
Jane Joan Stratton b.1866 nee Sinclair, Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
Jane Joan Stratton b.1896 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
Margaret Wright Stratton, b.1899 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
William Stratton b.1901 Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Mason Stratton b.1907 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland
It was this William that married Dorothy Margaret Lamb in the late 1930's
Laurina
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I think this must be the Stratton family:
Departure: 27 September 1907
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: Montreal
Ship: SICILIAN
Mrs STRATTON, age 42
Joey STRATTON, age 10
Maggie STRATTON, age 6
Willie STRATTON, age 4
John STRATTON, age 5/12
All listed as Scottish and destination is Vancouver, BC. I can send you the image if you like - and it definitely says Joey for what must be little Jane. A nickname perhaps?
And this must be them living on 6th Ave East in Vancouver in 1911, father was still working as a baker:
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=62335
Okay, enough genealogy. I have to switch to my other love - Middlesbrough Football Club - and hope they win today!
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Good show, and must beg pardon, :-\ as I thought I'd checked B.C. listings first...My mistake.... :-X J.J.
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Thanks that's great, so John senior must have travelled alone and left his wife to look after the kids!! Is he anywhere on another ship?
Thanks for the 1911 - that's solved a mystery Hazel the daughter I've been unable to find was born in Canada.
Laurina
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Sorry, I neglected to check for the father! But here he is, possibly travelling with his brothers???
Date of departure: 2 March 1907
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: Halifax, NS & Portland, Maine
Ship: MONGOLIAN
John M STRATTON, age 38, baker
William W. STRATTON, age 28, painter
James W. STRATTON, age 42, tailor
Destination was Calgary, Alberta.
Here are some more dates to round out the Strattons in Vancouver, taken from the BC Vital Events Index:
John Mason (father) died in West Vancouver on 22 June 1988
Jean Joan (mother?) died in North Vancouver on 6 Aug 1949
John Mason (son) died in Victoria on 7 July 1962
Margaret Wright died in Burnaby on 8 Nov 1986
Jean Joan (daughter?) married Thomas C. Patterson on 1 Oct 1919 in Vancouver
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You're spot on they are brothers. ;D Seems they had the right idea travelling together and leaving mum alone to suffer the four kids!
The other dates are excellent but I suspect John Mason (father) d. 1988 is probably not mine as he was born in 1868 - doubt if he'd have lived to 120
Laurina
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Just noticed he left for Canada 16 days before his son was born - that's a bit much! ::) He's lucky she bothered to follow him! ;)
Laurina
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Sorry, my mistake. John Mason Stratton died in 1957, aged 88yrs!
I wouldn't want to make a transatlantic journey with three kids and a baby today let alone 100 yrs ago! Brave woman.
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No problem.
Don't think I'd have risked it either but I guess she had no choice ... I'd be non too pleased at being deserted so close to the birth on number four!
What a wonderful lady.
Laurina
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Here are the results of library trip #2!
Marriage of Mary Leslie Lamb and Thomas Howard Macfarlane
Mary - occupation waitress, spinster, 21 yrs, denomination United Church of Canada, residence Vancouver, born St Andrews Scotland, father James Alexander Lamb born Glasgow Scotland, mother Mary Leslie Downie born St Andrews Scotland. Bride could read and write.
Thomas - occupation trainman, bachelor, 28yrs, Roman Catholic, residence Camp 3 Bloedel, born Vancouver, father John Howard Macfarlane born Kilkenny Ireland, mother's surname Rothe born Alsace France. Groom could read and write.
1901 census April 11-12 1901
British Columbia
District - Yale and Cariboo
Greenwood City
John H Macfarlane, male, head, married, 12 Aug 1861, age 39, born Ireland,
year of immigration 1869, Irish origin ,Canadian national, Church of Eng,
Miner, employed, can read write and speaks English (does not speak French)
Mother tongue English
Lena M Macfarlane, female, wife, married, 12 Nov 1876, age 24, born
Germany,year of immigration 1897, German origin, Canadian nationality,
R.Cath, can read, write and speaks English. Mother tongue German
(Alsace has had a history of belonging to either France or Germany over the course of history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace)
I think that this may also refer to
Thomas Howard Macfarlane's father:
Canadian Genealogy Index
1901
John Howard Macfarlane
Greenwood, British Columbia
Occupation Civil engineer
Source - Henderson's British Columbia Gazetteer and Directory and Mining
Companies for 1900-1901.
Nell
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I had a trawl through the online BC Vital records but could not find either a marriage entry for John Howard Macfarlane, nor a birth for Thomas Howard Macfarlane.
There are these two births in Greenwood however and I wondered if they fitted in somewhere.
Thomas Hinks Macfarlane
14 April 1902
Charles Barnett Macfarlane
11 October 1903
I wonder if LemonMallie could double check next time she is in a library? (Not possible for me to do it from here in the UK of course :( )
Nell
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Thanks again for all your help, that's really useful.
Laurina ;D
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I have found the following on find my past:
There is a record of a Lina Rothe aged 21, travelling with Ernst (or Erush) Rothe, 56, (Farmer) and Hulda Rothe ,45, (all classed as foreigners on the ships records) travelling on the Yainui from Glasgow to New York on 27 November 1899. That would give her a birth year of 1878 - close to that given in the census.
It is the nearest so far but who can say whether or not it is the correct Lina ???
I still have not found mention of her after the 1901 census - where did they go? Nowhere that I can trace them apparently :(
Nell
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Hello, I believe that you are looking for some of my relatives. I live in British Columbia, my Father was Charles Barnet Macfarlane and my uncle was Thomas Hinks Macfarlane who married Mary Lamb who I knew as "Auntie May". I'm not sure how best to connect in to the group as I am relatively new at this. I've looked on line occasionally but this is the first time I've gotten this far. They all grew up in Greenwood BC, and my aunt and uncle later moved to Port Hardy and Quatsino Cove.
Lina Roth would have been my grandmother - My mother told me her name was Helena Rothe.
Looking forward to finding out more. Regards, Patches1
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Unfortunate you hadn't seen this sooner...In case notification was turned off I have messaged the poster, Laurina...but she's not been on here for years. Hopefully the email is still the same & you can meet up on here. J.J.