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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: hmserge on Sunday 05 October 08 17:43 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to find any information on the Surgen/Serjeant/Sargent (this is spelt many different ways) family from Ipswich.
(I think William Sargent was born around 1772 in Ipswich. )
I know William Surgen was born around 1794 and his father was also called William. There is also an Ebenezer born 1826 and James born 1846.
I cannot seem to find anyone who is actually looking for the Serjeant's from Ipswich, so it's difficult to compare notes with anyone.
Any help/advice is appreciated.
Sergeant is my maiden name and so this name has always been of interest to me.
Does anyone know if there are any William Sargent's from Ipswich living in the 1770's or how I can find out?
Thank you
Heidi
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Hi
I checked the Ipswich St Matthew registers for Surgun/Serjent etc. I checked the baptisms from 1759 to 1786 but could not find a single mention of anything resembling Surgun.
The closest were Sharman and Seekamp ??? ???
Sorry :(
Anne
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Thank you so much for taking the time to look Anne, much appreciated. Maybe previous Surgun's/ Serjeant's had a baptism at another local Ipswich Church.
Heidi :)
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I am still on the trail of a William Sargent from Ipswich, Suffolk.
Is there anyone who knows how I could find out if there were any Sargent's in Ipswich in the 1770's? Mainly a Willliam Sargent (Serjeant is spelt many different ways).
I don't think that Serjeant would have been a popular name in Ipswich, so if there were any I would say they may have all been related? But not sure.
Any advice is much appreciated.
Thanks :)
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I know Bill Serjeant ;D
Before retirement he was the county archivist for SRO.
He is now our Archivist at Suffolk Local History Council.
Sooooo, there must still be people with that name in the Ipswich area.
Pat ...
www.slhc.org.uk
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Hello Pat,
Thank you for replying.
The slhc site is very interesting. I notice that there is a Ruth Serjeant listed too.
This is the closest that I've got to finding any Serjeant's in Ipswich, so that's one step forward.
Thank you for your help, this is much appreciated.
Heidi :)
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Heidi
The 1841 Census - Globe Lane, St. Matthew, Ipswich shows:
William Sargeant 70 Lab. born in county - Yes
Henry Sargeant 35 Painter ditto
Ref. HO107 - 1043 - 13 - 32 - 19
From the NBI I noted that they both died in 1840's:
William Sergeant 83 bur. 7/11/1849 St. Matthew, Ipswich i.e. bc.1766
Henry Sergeant 35 (?) bur. 2/9/1844 St. Matthew, Ipswich
also noted:
Mary Sergeant 75 bur. 8/4/1839 St. Matthew, Ipswich i.e. bc.1764
The IGI shows the following baptised at Dairy Lane Ind., Ipswich:
Mahalath Sergeant b.22/10/1796 bp.20/11/1796 dau. William & Mary
d.1797
Isaac Sergeant b.7/2/1798, bp.11/3/1798 son of William & Mary
Lydia Sergeant b.1/5/1801, bp.14/6/1801 dau. of William & Mary
Henry Vincent Sergeant b.17/10/1803, bp.13/11/1803 son William & Mary
Elizabeth Sergeant b.7/12/1805, bp.12/1/1806, dau. of William & Mary
and following baptised at Tacket St. Ind., Ipswich:
Ebenezer Surjent b.15/2/1808, bp.19/6/1808 son of William & Mary
James Surjent b.15/9/1810, bp.21/10/1810 son of William & Mary
These seemed to be the only family in Ipswich at the time and would appear to be your William but apparently bc.1766. From the above it would seem that the family were non-conformists which is maybe why you cannot find earlier records online.
Annette
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Hi Annette,
Thank you so much for this information.
Could you give me more details of what a non-conformist is? (I have an idea), and I was wondering how you could tell from the information? Also if William Sargeant was a non-conformist in Ipswich, how would I be able to get more details of him eg: birth, is there a non-conformist site?
Thanks once again
Heidi :)
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Tacket Street Independent -
Congregational church
Dairy Lane Independent _
Baptist church
You can always check www.suffolkchurches.co.uk as Simon is still adding more and more churches to the list and there are new ones on the Ipswich listings. Simon lives and works in Ipswich and can answer queries regarding the churches and chapels via the website.
Tacket Street is probably the most famous of the Independent chapels in Ipswich.
Christ Church, Tacket Street - now (United Reformed/Baptist),
Built in 1857 as a Congregational church by
John Wight to the design of local architect F J Barnes.
Gothic style in Kentish ragstone, ashlar dressing.
Interior has large gallery, cast iron work and stained
glass east window.
As Dairy Lane was by St Margaret's Plain and is listed as a Baptist Chapel in Whites, I think today it has been replaced by
Bethesda Baptist chapel on St Margaret’s Plain
A classical style building by the architect F G Faunch.
Opened in 1913, it seats 800 and has a splendid gallery on
three sides providing the best view of the interior.
Pat ...
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Thank you Pat, for details on the Churches.
Also it says William was buried at St Matthew's, how do I find out if he had a grave there? or was the graveyard built over years ago?
Thank you
Heidi
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Here is the link for Tacket Street Independent church today
with a page regarding their history.
http://www.christchurch-ipswich.org.uk/history.htm
Pat ...
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You can see the church and the churchyard on Simon's web site
http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/ipsmatt.html
Pat ...
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Thank you,
These are some interesting sites
:)
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Heidi,
I have been forwarded the email that you sent to Suffolk Local History Council ::)
I hope to get to the office in Ipswich next week, but I will print your email and pop it in the post to Ruth and Bill.
Quite a few of the Committee are not very up on modern-ish technology!
As someone once remarked about us, you history people do like old things!
Pat ...
Recorders' Secretary
Suffolk Local History Council
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Hello Pat,
Thank you for replying and for the help. :)
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Hi My name is martin serjeant from bury st Edmund's Suffolk, I have information on the serjeant family, my great x 5 or 6 grandfather was one William surgun which changed to serjeant later in his life I will dig out what i have and pdf it over to you if you let me have your email, I'm interested in any information you may have to put with mine, (*)
Martin
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Hello Martin,
Thank you for reply. It's nice to know that there is someone else who has the same ancestor as myself. I don't think William Surgun will have been a common name and any information about the Serjeant family is great. I would love to share my information about the Serjeant family with you.
I will PM you my email address. It would be lovely to hear from you again.
Heidi ;)
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Hi Martin.
thanks for your reply.
It would be great to hear from you to compare notes on the Serjeant family (Ipswich, Suffolk).
I have tried to PM you my email address again but unfortunately this won't send (but please check first PM sent). It would be great to hear from you.
Thanks
Heidi
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Hello Heidi,
Three posts have to be made before the PM system can be used, as soon as Martin has made a couple more posts you will be able to PM each other.
Pat ...
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Thanks Pat ;)
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martin here sorry will sort stuff soon.
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My Martin/Hiedi
I am also related to this Serjeant line and have a tree on Ancestry.com. I would be interested in getting further details of your line and can share my wife's line though Hiedi may have already done this with you.
Craig Rouse
Auckland
New Zealand
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Hello Craig
It's lovely to hear from you and I hope you and your family are keeping well.
It would be nice to hear from Martin.
Kind regards
Heidi
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Hi All,
I hope this finds you al well.
I have been trying to find a Frederick William Serjeant from Stowmarket Suffolk, Died 24/02/1993
I'm hoping we were related and if I have any local family.
any help would be good.
Heidi I sent you my family tree and I have lost my copy any chance you coudl email a copy back if you still have one.
Martin
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Hello Martin
Great to hear from you, I do hope you're doing okay and are well.
I haven't come across a Frederick William Serjeant from Stowmarket but I'll see what I can find out and let you know.
I'll also have a look for the copy of the family tree. This was placed with my family documents a few years ago which could be boxed away in my loft. I'll be in touch :)
Did you ever find anything more on William Surgun (Serjeant)? I wonder if the Serjeant's originated from Suffolk or elsewhere?
Heidi
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Hi Martin,
I have the said Frederick William in my Ancestry family tree which I can share with you.
Do you have an ancestry membership if not you can create one for free. my email is rouseabouts@gmail.com if you want to get in touch.
P.s. there is still a serjeant family living in Pettaugh near stowmarket. they will be something like 3-4th cousins
Craig Rouse
Auckland
New Zealand
Hi All,
I hope this finds you al well.
I have been trying to find a Frederick William Serjeant from Stowmarket Suffolk, Died 24/02/1993
I'm hoping we were related and if I have any local family.
any help would be good.
Heidi I sent you my family tree and I have lost my copy any chance you coudl email a copy back if you still have one.
Martin
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Thank you to you both, I will try to do the free family tree so I can look at your one.
As a matter of interest my Family lived in Auckland for a few years in the 1950s how unlikely is that.
Martin :)
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Hi Martin and Craig,
(Hope you're both well).
I thought the name Frederick William rang a bell. :). And that's great news.