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Title: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Sunday 05 October 08 20:58 BST (UK)
I am trying to track down my gg grandfather who was born in 1858 Wishuther, Scotland.  I got this info from when he joined the police force in Preston, Lancashire in 1882 aged 24.  His previous  job was a mason.

I would appreciate lookups in the Scottish Census Records of 1861, 1871 and possibly 1881.  Do not know at this stage how he ended up in Preston in 1882.

Any information would be greatfully received  :)

Thank you in advance

dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi dewdrop

Welcome to Rootschat  :)


The nearest that I can find  on the IGI (extracted records) is the birth of a James Weatherston in Westruther, Berwickshire:

28 July 1864 Parents - John Weatherston and Christina Fairbairn


Not sure if this is him but he might have exaggerated his age to join the police force  :-\

I'll have a further search but so far nothing else in the births.

Have you got a marriage for him that might give his father's name?


Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 21:27 BST (UK)
nothing so far that totally fits your descriptions on the 1861-1881 censuses  :-\

Do you have a marriage for him?


Gadget

Added - i see he is married to an Elizabeth on the 1891 with eldest son, John, aged 7.
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: sancti on Sunday 05 October 08 21:29 BST (UK)
2 births on SP

1856 WEATHERSTON JAMES at KELSO ROXBURGH

1859 WEATHERSTON JAMES at COLDSTREAM BERWICK
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 21:31 BST (UK)
Marriage -  Preston, March q, 1883, vol 8e page 711

James Weatherston and Elizabeth Ralph on the same page

a marriage certificate is your best bet to give his father's name.

Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 21:38 BST (UK)
The 1901 census has him as aged 48 - thus born circa 1853

RG13/ 3947 F 32 p 12



Gadget

added- on this one he is a boarder, married but stated as b. Preston . It could be that the person he was lodging with just wrote down Preston without checking.
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: hume on Sunday 05 October 08 21:44 BST (UK)
Found this in 1881. I know he joined the Preston police in 1882, but could have transferred? :-\

Address: 49 Kirkgate, South Leith
Jane Charles, f, head, 60, lodging house keeper, b. Inverness
...
James Weatherston, m, boarder, 20, police constable, b. Coldstream

Will keep searching.

hume24

PS. And if he's the 1859 Coldstream birth sancti mentions, father was called John. It would match with first son John.
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 21:47 BST (UK)
Still think the marriage cert is the only sure way,  hume. He seems to have various ages and birth places  :-\


Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: hume on Sunday 05 October 08 21:57 BST (UK)
Definitely the best idea. I've found about three possibles, none that stand out except the 1881 I found. ;D

hume24
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 October 08 22:01 BST (UK)
The 1901 one is definitely down as 48 - I've checked the page and the second digit is not like the other  5s or a 0s so he could be a number of possibles.

Possible death:

March q, 1915, Preston, vol 8e p 825 - aged 55  - thus b. circa 1860

The official traces left don't help, do they  :-\


Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Monday 06 October 08 09:47 BST (UK)
I have just been trying to get my head round the info all of you have found for which I thank you all for searching and helping to solve things :)

He did marry an Elizabeth Ralph in 1883 and his father's name was John.  The eldest son was also called John and went on to have 5 further children.

The 1881 Scotland Census details are possibly not him as it clearly states that when he joined the police in Preston he was a mason and cant see how he would fit that in if he was already a policeman!

Thank you for finding him in the 1901 England Census as have been looking for him!  Found his family but he wasn't there.  Wonder why he was boarding elswhere?!

dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Monday 06 October 08 09:49 BST (UK)
Hi dewdrop  :)

What occupation did it give for his father on the marriage cert?

Unfortunately there are now at least two possibles with a father John - the Westruther one and the Coldstream one  :-\

Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Saturday 11 October 08 16:19 BST (UK)
So sorry for not replying sooner but not had time to get back onto computer until now :)

James' father was a dairyman and James was 25 when he married which puts his birth year about 1857/58.  With this info is it possible to find him and his family in the Scotland Census of 1861, 1871 and possibly 1881?

Many thanks

dewdrop29 :D
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: hume on Saturday 11 October 08 19:47 BST (UK)
Hi dd29,

There's three births in Berwickshire for James Weathers[t]ons, with father John.

James Weatherson, b. 1859 Coldstream - mother Margaret Watson (likely died young)
James Weatherson, b. 1864 Coldstream - mother Margaret Watson
James Weatherston, b. 1864 Westruther - mother Christina Fairbairn

Other possible is he was illegitimate and Weathers[t]on[e] was his father's name.

hume24
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Sunday 12 October 08 13:48 BST (UK)
Hi hume24

Thank you for the information you have found.  I will look at what you have found and see if i can ascertain which is the correct mother if any of them are! :-\

As he's been so elusive, illegitimacy has crossed my mind. 

Will go and do some more research based on the info which has been supplied.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Friday 28 November 08 19:33 GMT (UK)
I have used the information that has been supplied but I have been unable to establish anything further in relation to James.  I've hit the proverbial brick wall ???

I have thought that James may be his second name which he used rather than his first name or he just used the name James as he liked it and finally he was illegitimate and the father's name is there for convenience

Unless anyone else has any other ideas, the only thing is a trip up to Westruther to see if I can find anything further.

Dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: hume on Friday 28 November 08 23:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again,

I returned to this one hoping I could find something for you - unfortunately, not much! The three births I mentioned in my last message on the thread are not the correct ones. All three died in infancy and as far as I can see, none of their fathers worked as dairymen or in that trade. Speaking of John, did the death certificate mention whether he was deceased by 1883? People were not always truthful on the certificates, but if we could find a death, it may give you a lead. :-\

Can't see anything on the census either.

hume24
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Saturday 29 November 08 17:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Hume 24

I do have James' death Cert.  He died on 14 Jan 1915 in Preston, Lancashire.  it says he was 55 years old which would put his d.o.b c1860.

I have him on the 1891 and 1901 Census living in Preston but it's a mystery where he was before then  ???

Apart from the information on his marriage and Death certs plus the censuses and the information supplied when he joined the police in Preston in 1882 which shows he was 24 and previously a stone mason before signing up and from Wishruther - that  is what is written as would have sounded like that - but would be Westruther, I do not have any idea where to look next :-\

Dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: hume on Sunday 30 November 08 02:38 GMT (UK)
Actually it was the information on John I was speaking about ... ;D Was he noted as deceased on James' marriage certificate?

hume24
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Sunday 30 November 08 13:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Hume24


James' father John  was not noted as deceased on the  marriage cert

Dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 30 November 08 13:43 GMT (UK)
Hi both  :)

I'm starting to wonder if this was an illegitimate birth and James is registered as something else in Westruther.

Have we searched the 1861 for any Weatherston(e)s in the area?


Gadget
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: dewdrop29 on Sunday 30 November 08 17:17 GMT (UK)
hi Gadget

I have looked on the 1861 Scotland census for the area and not found anything conclusive.  The families I've found on Family Search with the father John Weatherson and its variations come up on the census.

I would appreciate a fresh pair of eyes to look at the census of 1861 to see if you come up with anything

Dewdrop29
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: nicola55 on Saturday 21 November 09 14:13 GMT (UK)
This is my g g grandfather too.  On the 1911 census James gives his birth place as sibastipol, berwickshire.  At first we thought it read devonshire but on closer inspection it definitely says berwickshire.  And he says he is scotch.  Googling i have found no such place as sibastipol in berwickshire!! Not sure about the standard of policing in 1880's - 1900 but not sure if he has made it up!! Another work colleague said he might have something to do with the crimean war possibly baby of a soldier?!! Clutching at straws here!! Can anyone help in the chase for the elusive James Weatherston!!
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: NEESIE on Friday 09 December 11 18:56 GMT (UK)
hi james weatherston is my ggg uncle , he was born in westruther there
 is a mother and father and quite a few siblings , he married elizabeth ralph
 in preston in 1883 and died in 1915 in preston , he was a mason in the borders
 sabastapol ia a house i have visited and he did join the police force in england

 hope this helps
                          Neesie
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: sancti on Friday 09 December 11 21:38 GMT (UK)
1861 census

John King 60
Rosanna King 54
John King 28
James King 24
Thomas King 20
Isabella King 18
Rosanna King 13
James Watherston 4 grandson born born: Lauder, Berwickshire


Address: Kidlaw Yester East Lothian


1871

Robert Blackie 49
Margaret Blackie 44
Hellen Blackie 17
James Blackie 13
Alexander Blackie 11
Elspeth Kennedy 50
Margaret Keppie 23
James Weatherston 13  born: Westburton, Berwickshire occ farm servant

Address: Hartside Berwickshire
 
 
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: sancti on Friday 09 December 11 21:45 GMT (UK)
1861 census has this record with a possible link to the King family

John Weatherston 27 Occupation: Shepherd
Mary Weatherston 26
Maryann Weatherston 6
John Weatherston 1
Thomas Weatherston 6 MO
Robert King 2

Address: Blythrig Lauder Berwickshire
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: NEESIE on Saturday 10 December 11 15:28 GMT (UK)
Hi

Yes this is a direct link to the King family being Mary's parents althought I don't know about the Blackie family
Title: Re: James Weatherston(e)
Post by: NEESIE on Friday 30 December 11 17:09 GMT (UK)
Hi James is one of my ancesters I have posted a message before but I dont thinkn it has been picked up he was born in Sebastapol Its a name of a house in his time a farmhouse now used as Bothy for the gamekeepers and he did go to Preston and joined the police force down there If I can help with anything please just ask

Nessie