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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: nelwild on Sunday 05 October 08 20:59 BST (UK)
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hello everyone,cathayb if your looking in debsusa and everyone who helped me when i was looking at my dads tree,ive been away from the computer lately.im looking at my mums side of the family at the moment and have found a connection to a samson or samuel scamp born canterbury area around 1840.his wife was faith ganges born around 1849 in herne st,kent.their children were samuel,esther,phoebe,susan,isabel,alfred ,thomas and charles.samson was a general dealer,his son samuel was a general hawker.susan married john cooper,an agricultural labourer born around 1880,marshside,kent.on 1901 census,they are at fortune passage,canterbury,lots of other scamps are neighbours working as liscensed hawkers,wardrobe dealers,horse dealers,have no idea if theyre connected.my connection comes through gambrill,rigden webb families from whitstable,canterbury,faversham and surrounding areas.any help adding to what ive got here would be greatly appreciated,nel.
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Hi Nel
Nice to see you again ;D
I think Samson/Samuel may have had more children ;D John (who you have not stated) is 25 in 1891 and Phoebe is 16 ...I am sure there must have been more ;D
1891
St Mildred Canterbury
6 Fowlers passge?
Samuel SCAMP head mar 44 shop dealer b Kent, Littlebourne
Faith wife 39 b Herne st
John son 25 shop dealer b ?arnsgate
Phebe 16
Samuel 14
ester 12
Susan 10
Isabel 8
Alfred 4
Thomas 2
Samuel/Samson's age has also changed LOL
deb ...will look for more
PS do you have them in all censuses or just 1901?
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Nel
Which of Samuel and Faith's children do you come from?
deb
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Nel
Not sure if you have seen this but there are submitted entries on IGI with this info:
Sampson or Samuel Scamp
born 1844
christened; 5 May 1844 Littlebourne
died; 1902 Canterbury
married; Faith Gambrill or Gaines or Ganges 1870 Canterbury
parents: John Scamp and Grace Lee
I am still looking for their marriage reg... :-\
deb
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Hi again Nel
It seems as though someone has done a lot of work on the Scamp family ....
IGI has these records for children of Samson and Faith Scamp.
John Scamp - 28 Jan 1867 Ramsgate
George Scamp - 1 Apr 1872 Canterbury
Phoebe Scamp - 20 APR 1874 Ramsgate
Samuel Scamp - 1876 Minster
Esther Scamp - 22 Nov 1878 Sandwich
Susannah Scamp - 12 Dec 1880 canterbury
Isabell Scamp - 14 Jan 1883 Canterbury
Riley Alfred Scamp - 5 Jul 1885 Canterbury
Thomas Scamp -4 Nov 1888 Canterbury
Faith Amelia Scamp - circa 1900 Canterbury
Charles Scamp - circa1891 Canterbury, Kent
deb
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Nel ...going round and round in circles with this family :P
no luck with 1881 or 1871 yet.... but I have found Faith Scamp nee Gaines/Gambrill/Ganges
1851
Albion Place, Herne
John GAINS head unm 29 Tinman b Unknown
Elizabeth GAMBRILL unm 27 housekeeper b Westwell
Amelia " housekeeper's daughter 8 b Canterbury
John " " son 5 b Witasham?
FAITH GAMBRILL " daughter 2 b Herne
according to the submitted entries on IGI
Faith died 26 Oct 1929 Canterbury
will try to find her in 1861
deb
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debs,thanks for the replies,my connection comes through the gambrills.my great grandfathers brother married martha webb,her sister elizabeth married jersey gambrill.my great grandfather is from a big family in whitstable,but they were mostly oyster dredgers and fisherman,i had no idea there were any romany connections there.ive been contacted by several people on Genes Reunited who have given me a lot of info on samsons family,his father,as you said,was john,his mother grace lee.johns parents were sampson and celia lee.sampsons father was john b1720,canterbury and mother was elizabeth norman b1720 canterbury.theyve also given me a lot of brothers and sisters from all generations,including more sampsons,a few marriages including more lees,a couple of boswells,wilsons,coopers etc.finding this out has made me wonder about my great grandmother,shes a complete mystery,will post a seperate thread on her tomorrow,any assistance would be greatly appreciated.once again debs,thanks for your help,nel.
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Can any one help us trace Patience Scamp who we think married John Eastwood around 1906. We believe that Patience was the daughter of Sidney J Scamp and have found her in the 1911 census. Noah and Jack Eastwood are the children of Patience and John Eastwood however no records appear to exist? ???
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Do you have Patience in 1901?
RG13/841 Folio 19 Page 29
5 New Street, Dover, Kent
Sidney J Scamp 41 Peg & Skewer Maker Kent Gravesend
Sisseli 39 Hawker Sussex Worthing
Gilderoy 18 Hawker Hampshire Portsmouth
Riley 16 Hawker Kent Boughton
Patience 14 Hawker Hampshire Romsey in Mud
Noah 12 Hawker Kent Swanley
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Hi zozo
I see Patience with her family in 1901 ...do you have that info?
Cannot see the family in 1891, yet.
Can you tell us when and where Noah and Jack were born. Where were they all living in 1911? What details do you have regarding Patience?
Any other details that you have may help us find them.
deb :)
SNAP! Catone ....thanks for posting the 1901 :)
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Hi,
I too have Romany ancestors and I have received lots of help from the Romanygenes site http://romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/#/scamp-family/4528685510. Lots of Scamp info here as well as photographes. You can contact the authors with your queries and they are excellent at helping you out.
Hope this helps
Shelly
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Hi Shelly and Debs
Thanks for your prompt reply - tried the link you gave me several times but the page is not opening. Yes we have found Patience in 1901 listed with her parents Sidney J Scamp b 1860 in Gravesend and her brothers Gilderoy b 1883, Riley b 1885 and Noah b 1889.
We have no proof that the Patience who married John Eastwood b 1886 is Patience Scamp apart from the details match. Her birth place is copythorne, new forest (3 miles from patience Scamp birthplace in 1901) and the years match of her birth. So based on a hunch and they are both travelling families
Jack was born 1907 and Noah 1910 in Ash, Farnham Surrey. We have also found Patience and John with their two sons in 1911 at a caravan nr Canister Cottage, PLumpton, Lewes, Sussex
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oh sorry about that lets try again
http://romanygenes.webeden.co.uk
I hope that one works.
Shelly
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these are in my family line.if you want to know more about any of them let me know.i am also in touch with living today scamp descendants of these but cant mention living folks names biut could get more info for you.
1. SCAMP, Ada (b.1891)
2. SCAMP, Clara Matthews (b.1857)
3. SCAMP, Ernest (b.1885)
4. SCAMP, George (b.1883)
5. SCAMP, Gildaroy (1810 - 1893)
6. SCAMP, Gilderoy (b.1861)
7. SCAMP, Gilderoy (b.1881)
8. SCAMP, John (b.1802)
9. SCAMP, Sidney (b.1889)
10. SCAMP, Soloman (b.1893)
they were all travellers around kent.
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hello all,
I am a distant scamp.
My grandad was son to Clara Scamp, she was daughter to Isabella (or Isabell) Scamp, and she was daughter to Samuel Scamp and Faith Gains.
Samuel and Faith had 2 sons die in the First World War, one is buried in Canterbury Cemetery and the other has no known grave.
Isabella had Clara at 16, we have no idea who the father is, she also had another daughter.
It would be great if any relations to these scamps could get in touch, there is quite a lot of them dotted around i think. We should have a scamp Reunion.
Peace and hugs
Rachel.
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i will get in touch with my friend who is also a descendant and see if she will contact you.
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Hi there
My Grandfather was the son of Isabel Scamp (daughter of Samuel and Faith) he had 9 siblings and 1 half sibling. To our knowledge Clara was not Isabel's Daughter.
Rachel if you would like to message me maybe I could pass on what I know :)
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Hopefully someone will pick this up. I requested a birth certificate of my great grandmothers brother Eddie Lee and found that his mother was Sabina Scamp. The only Sabina Scamp I can find was born in 1892, Seasalter Kent which sounds about right.. except it would make her 14 when she had her son.
So far I have found out that Sabina's parents were George Scamp b. 1872 Canterbury and Isabella. George's parents were Samson/Samuel and Faith.
Does anyone have any information on Sabina? She must have died young as she suddenly disappears after 1906 when Eddie is born...
She may or may not have married Ernest Lee (Eddie's father).
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Roger Baker did most of the work on the SCAMP family although I had to check the information for my own database. There is a word limit on this website so if you would like me to add more to the following, which are just the Kentish SCAMP baptisms, please let me know. I indicate when I could not find something or where I have not yet checked by using this symbol [Ø]
E.KT Alkham [not bapt there] b1864 Sidney s/o Riley/Sarah [Reg Dec 1864 Dover]
E.KT Ash St Nicholas (by Sandwich) pbp16/1/1836 Cephry d/o Gilderoy/Catherine [née HILDEN] trav’g knf.gr of A
W.KT Aylesford bp26/2/1882 (b18/2) Sarah Mizella d/o William/Louisa, gipsy of A
E.KT Barham bp19/2/1862 Mizella d/o Riley/Sarah [Ø]
KT.BX Belvedere St Augustine bp9/2/1919 Lily May d/o Oliver/Mary, lab of East Road
KT.BX Belvedere St Augustine bp3/12/1916 Sylvester s/o Oliver/Mary, lab of 112, East Rd
KT.BX Belvedere St Augustine bp15/5/1938 (b19/4) James Riley s/o James Riley/Johanna, hkr of 30, New Road
KT.BX Bexley St Mary bp8/7/1724 Susanna d/o George/Sarah, of Newington nr South..?
E.KT Biddenden bp13/6/1954 (b26/3/1953) Caroline d/o Henry/Caroline, fm.foreman of Goldwell Farm
E.KT Biddenden bp13/6/1954 (b25/8/1950) Jack Frank s/o Henry/Caroline, fm.foreman of Goldwell Farm
E.KT Birchington bp14/6/1812 Gildroy s/o Samson/Celia (noi)
E.KT Boughton under Blean SS Peter & Paul bp8/12/1889 [b14/11] Ada Florence d/o William/Emma Mary Ann [née SMITH] lab of Woodsgate Dunkirk
E.KT Boughton under Blean SS Peter & Paul bp25/10/1891 (b15/7) Rose Leander d/o William James/Emma Mary Anne, lab of Colonel’s Lane
E.KT Boughton under Blean St Barnabas bp21/5/1939 Thomas Henry s/o Charles/Mary, ‘from March End’ of Bushy Close
E.KT Buckland St Andrew (by Dover) bp19/3/1775 Barnet s/o William/Mary (noi) [SKEMP sic]
E.KT Buckland (by Dover) bp30/5/1896 Ethel Ann d/o William James/Emma Mary Ann (noi) [SKEMP sic]
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp21/1/1900 Louisa Sarah d/o Samuel/Louisa, fish.hkr of 15, Church lane
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp3/11/1900 Faith Amelia Kathleen d/o -/Isabella, of 19, Knotts Lane
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp19/10/1902 Rose Anna d/o John Walter/Ruth [née CORK] lab of 15, Carpenter Cottage
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp17/4/1904 John Charles s/o John William/Ruth, lab of Carpenter’s Cottage
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp1/10/1905 Louisa Elizabeth d/o John William/Ruth, lab of New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp2/12/1906 Elizabeth d/o John William/Ruth, lab of 43, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp7/2/1909 Charles Horace s/o John/Ruth, lab of 22, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp6/9/1911 Horace James s/o John William/Ruth, lab of 22, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp16/5/1915 Joseph George s/o John William/Ruth, lab of 20, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp2/7/1916 Eva Ruth d/o John William/Ruth, lab of 20, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp5/10/1919 Horace William s/o Horace/Rose, dlr of 39, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp12/10/1919 William Alfred Nelson s/o John William/Ruth, lab of 20, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp30/1/1921 Christina Evelyn d/o Horace/Rose [née COATES] dlr of 45, New Ruttington Lane, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp10/7/1921 Charles s/o Charles/Jane [née BOWMAN], lab of 7, Victoria Road, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp22/10/1922 Susie May d/o John William/Ruth, lab of 20, New Ruttington Lane, C.
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp5/4/1925 Rhoda Keziah Kathleen d/o Horace/Rose, hrs.dlr of 45, New Ruttington Lane C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp29/9/1929 Derrick Charles s/o Horace/Rose, lab of 45, New Ruttington Lane C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp15/12/1929 Ronald Martin s/o Charles/Jane, lab of 7, Victoria Row, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp5/1/1936 Joyce Priscilla d/o Joseph George/Priscilla, lab, 56, Whitstable Road
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp2/2/1936 Patricia Jean d/o Charles/Jane, lab of 7, Victoria Row, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp16/2/1936 John Richard Charles s/o Charles Horace/Kathleen Frances, fm.lab of 6, Havelock Street, C
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp17/10/1937 (b27/9) Carol Ann d/o Horace James/Amy May, drayman of 34, Union St
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp13/11/1938 Peter James s/o Horace James/Amy May, drayman of 34, Union St
E.KT Canterbury St Gregory bp2/6/1940 David Nelson s/o Horace James/Amy May, lorry driver of 34, Union St
E.KT Canterbury St Martin bp24/4/1831 William s/o John/Grace, trav’g brazier Fordwich Lane
TL
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hi.
been doing some research on the Lee/Emmett family and bumped into a Scamp in Boothill Cemy Chartham nr Canterbury and he showed me some Graves one was for a Lousia Scamp who married a James Lee early 1900's he told me that some of the Scamps had married with the Costa/Rossiter/Botton/Smith Families in and around Kent & Sussex in the 1800's & 1900's but you may already know this if not i hope it is helpful.
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Hopefully someone will pick this up. I requested a birth certificate of my great grandmothers brother Eddie Lee and found that his mother was Sabina Scamp. The only Sabina Scamp I can find was born in 1892, Seasalter Kent which sounds about right.. except it would make her 14 when she had her son.
So far I have found out that Sabina's parents were George Scamp b. 1872 Canterbury and Isabella. George's parents were Samson/Samuel and Faith.
Roger Baker's "The Family Tree of Sampson and Celia SCAMP" shows a George baptised to Sampson and Faith in Canterbury 1st April 1872 - but it also shows this George dying in Eastry in 1874.
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Kaela90,
Have you seen the articles about Scamps on gypsygenealogy.com?
They may help you with the wider Scamp family.
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:)hi all
does anyone have a Clara scamp born around 1873 Kent, if i am correct she married Leonard lee born 1870 kent, they married in 1891 cranbrook kent. it seems in 1911 changed his name to George lee.
children are
maria lee 1895 Kent
louisa lee 1897 Kent
lena lee 1901 uxbridge
walter lee 1906 uxbridge
any info greatly appreciated :) :)
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i have a clara scamp born 1857
SCAMP, Clara Matthews
b. 1857
Ramsgate, Kent, England
e. Census
1881
Folkestone, Kent, England
m. SCAMP, Gilderoy
1884
Elham, Kent.
SCAMP, Gilderoy
b. 1881
Folkestone, Kent, England.
SCAMP, George
b. 1883
Folkestone, Kent, England.
SCAMP, Ernest
b. 1885
Folkestone, Kent, England.
SCAMP, Sidney
b. 1889
Folkestone, Kent, England.
SCAMP, Ada
b. 1891
Folkestone, Kent, England.
SCAMP, Soloman
b. 1893
Folkestone, Kent, England.
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@nelwild Just seen an old post from you regarding the Gambrill Oyster fisherman from Whitstable. These would be my great and great-great grandparents. My grandmother is still alive and is a wealth of information if you want more info.
Andy
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Hi all, since my last post I have done more research on my great great grandmother.
It turns out that Clara's mother was Esther Scamp, and gave birth to Clara when she was 18, only to die of TB 2 years later, at 20 Knott's Lane, Canterbury.
There is not father listed on the birth certificate.
Whilst doing this I found that 2 of Esther's brothers were killed in the First World War, one killed on the 20.10.1914 who has no know grave, but the second is more intriguing.
Samuel Scamp is buried in Canterbury Cemetery, having died in March 1915 but he was dismissed out of the army in the February before, but he has a CWGC headstone, I can't however find out the reason behind his death does anyone have any ideas?
Kindest regards to all my distant relatives xx
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My Nan was Isabella scamp and she had my dad in 1933 Leonard George scamp
I have family in Kent
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Hi all, since my last post I have done more research on my great great grandmother.
It turns out that Clara's mother was Esther Scamp, and gave birth to Clara when she was 18, only to die of TB 2 years later, at 20 Knott's Lane, Canterbury.
There is not father listed on the birth certificate.
Whilst doing this I found that 2 of Esther's brothers were killed in the First World War, one killed on the 20.10.1914 who has no know grave, but the second is more intriguing.
Samuel Scamp is buried in Canterbury Cemetery, having died in March 1915 but he was dismissed out of the army in the February before, but he has a CWGC headstone, I can't however find out the reason behind his death does anyone have any ideas?
Kindest regards to all my distant relatives xx
You would need to purchase Samuel Scamp's death certificate but I would be willing to guess that he died of war related injury (I would say possibly he contracted TB?? Did Esther Scamp live with him at all when he came home from WW1?). Why I say this a member of my family (Not a Scamp) was honoured with a WW1 CWWG he died of TB confirmed that he was infected with in the trenches in WW1.
The two brothers you speak of:
Private Alfred Riley Scamp Date of Birth: 1885 – Date of Death: 20/10/1914
British Army, The Buffs (East Kent Regiment), Service #L/8117, Faith Scamp nee Gambrill and Samuel Scamp
Private Samuel Scamp Date of Birth c 1877 - Date of Death: 20/03/195
British Army 4th Bn, The Buffs (East Kent Regiment, Service Number 2946, Faith Scamp nee Gambrill and Samuel Scamp of 49, Knott's Lane, Canterbury
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Nel ...going round and round in circles with this family :P
no luck with 1881 or 1871 yet.... but I have found Faith Scamp nee Gaines/Gambrill/Ganges
1851
Albion Place, Herne
John GAINS head unm 29 Tinman b Unknown
Elizabeth GAMBRILL unm 27 housekeeper b Westwell
Amelia " housekeeper's daughter 8 b Canterbury
John " " son 5 b Witasham?
FAITH GAMBRILL " daughter 2 b Herne
according to the submitted entries on IGI
Faith died 26 Oct 1929 Canterbury
will try to find her in 1861
deb
This could be Faith Gambrill's Gro Registration
GAMBRILL, - -
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in EAST ASHFORD KENT Volume 05 Page 10
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Hello, I am working on my husbands family. I have come across the Scamp surname but in records finding they are listed as Williams surname. Have no clue as to why that is. Here is some that I found.
I came across my husbands family listed on the website Romany Genes at this link: http://romanygenes.com/scamp-family/4528685510
This tells of the Lee family and that Tom Lee married Selina Scamp. Ok, so in the 1881 Census for Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales, they are listed as living with her parents Samuel Williams and Mary. In Breconshire, Wales baptisma, 30 May 1852 is Celena Williams daughter of Samuel Williams and Piana Williams. In Beaufort, Monmouthshire, Wales is the son of Thomas Lee and Selina Lee named Seth Lee, 23 Apr 1882. The baptism of Seth Lee and wife Lucy Price is in Llangyfelach, Glamorganshire, Wales on 16 Aug 1910 named Frederick Lee.
When you look at the Romany Genes link site, they have the Lee family all coming from the Scamp surname and not Williams. Even Samuel Williams brother named Samson Williams is listed in the 1881 census in Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales as Williams. But again, on the site he is listed as Scamp.
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rachaelWilsdon.happened to one of our gt uncles he is even mentioned on the war memorial but beofore he could be posted he died of TB.Myabe something like that happene to yours?death certificate should show you
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:)hi all
does anyone have a Clara scamp born around 1873 Kent, if i am correct she married Leonard lee born 1870 kent, they married in 1891 cranbrook kent. it seems in 1911 changed his name to George lee.
children are
maria lee 1895 Kent
louisa lee 1897 Kent
lena lee 1901 uxbridge
walter lee 1906 uxbridge
any info greatly appreciated :) :)
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Hello, i have just seen your post regarding Clara Matthews, she was my Grandad's sister, my Grandad being George Matthews a Banana merchant of Gillingham Kent. I have attached a photo of Clara that i have with he eldest daughter.
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Hi my Family are Matthews, is the George Matthews mentioned related to Matthews Fairground people
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Hello
I've got a lot of family tree information on the scamp family x
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My Grandad was Oliver Scamp who passed over on August 16th 1977,
and my Nan was Louise Scamp passed over on the 22nd September 1977,
They are both buried at Sittingbourne Cemetery, Bell Road,
My Uncle William Scamp, who we are called Uncle Mushy, passed away on June 6th 2019, is buried on top of my grandparents/his parents,
My Mum was Sylvia Clara Scamp, daughter to Oliver & Louise Scamp,
My Grandparents, had 12 Children,
Oliver Scamp - Eldest Son,
William Scamp ‘Mushy’
Henry Scamp,
Sidney Scamp ‘Monty’ we all call him by, Uncle Monty is still alive, and lives at Abbey Wood,
Annie Scamp - Eldest Daughter,
Louise Scamp,
Brittana Scamp, ‘Mary’ we all called her, I believe was her first name was, but will check when i go to her grave, Which is in the same cemetery as my grandparents,
Aggie Scamp ‘Rita’ we all called, buried in the same cemetery,
Shirley Scamp,
Rosie Scamp, i am not sure if that was her real first name, but that is what we knew her as,
Sylvia Clara Scamp ‘My Mum’ passed over on her birthday date, 9th January 2015, she is buried at Woodland Road cemetery,
Esther Scamp, Born 24th February 1946, she passed over on the 21st November 1949, at 3 years old, She is buired at London Road cemetery, in Brentwood, i go to her grave and keep it tidy,
I am Jason, Sylvia’s oldest son,
I am interested in finding out more about the Scamp family, and find any relatives.
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Hello,
Did you want to find out more family members going back from Oliver Scamp? I'm not sure what information you have on him, but I can write some here just in case you don't know any of this:
Oliver Scamp's birthday on his death record in 1977 was given as: 25th December 1905.
Oliver Scamp's baptism was on the 29th of January 1905 in Guston, Kent (so his birthday on his death record must be incorrect), on his baptism it says ''Born on christmas day 1904'', so they must have got the year confused on his death record. On his baptism, Oliver's parents were stated as: George and Isabella Scamp - ''Gipsys''.
I can't seem to find the family: George, Isabella and Oliver in the 1911 census but I can find George and Isabella in the 1901 census (obviously Oliver isn't on it because he was not born in 1901).
On the 1901 census George Scamp is 34 years old (born in 1867) and he is living ''on the borders of Trinley Park'' which is in Bridge, Kent. I don't know if this means they were living in a caravan or tent, as no street name is mentioned, just ''on the borders of''. Living with George is his wife - Isabella who is 32 years old (born in 1869). In 1901 they had 6 children: Sarah (12 years old), Sabina (9 years old), Esther (7 years old), Riley (5 years old), Henry (3 years old) and Noah (1 years old).
Again, I can't find the family in the 1891 census.
I think that George Scamp was the son of Riley and Sarah Scamp (George's birth year was probably not actually 1867 like he said on the census, if he was the son of Riley and Sarah Scamp his birth year would be around 1857. There are 2 other censuses that George Scamp is on if he is their son, however I can't be completely sure.
Sorry if you already knew all of this, I just thought i'd send it in case you didn't know :)
I am related to quite a few Scamps - just quite a few generations back,
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My great great granny Mary Ann clark married Samson Roberts. Mary Ann’s mother was grace clark, no father shown on her marriage cert to James Clark. I have a Dna match with so many people on ancestry and they are ALL saying that graces father was Gilderoy scamp! So Thrulines shows that now, because so many people have put it in their trees. If Gilderoy was graces father I don’t know why she went by the name clark and didn’t name him on her marriage cert, although she married her common law husband later in life Gilderoy was still alive. Anyway, just saying I’m potentially related to scamps too!
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Do people think she was the Grace Scamp baptised in 1844 to Gilderoy and Catherine?
Interesting that she didn't mention him!
(I'm directly related to Gilderoy's sister Clarinda)
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Yes I believe so , I have my grace as born 1847 but her birth wasn’t registered so it could have been 1844. Although I have Dna matches with everyone I’m just thinking they’re barking up the wrong tree putting Gilderoy as graces father.
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Thank you for the information,
I do remember my Mum ‘Sylvia’ used to say that exact years of birth were sometimes not known with some family members, so thank you for your post i found what you wrote very interesting,
My Grandparents Oliver & Louise Scamp, their daughter Esther who died at 3 years old in 1949, her date of birth on her birth certificate is 23rd February, but on her gravestone her date of birth says 24th February,
When my Mum and her sisters used to meet up, over a meat pudding, they used to talk about their lives regarding travelling in the wagons, fruit picking, the haunted places they used to stop and stay at, they would chat for hours, i do miss them all,
I was told that my Grandparents were 1st cousins,
My Nans maiden name was Matthew, and on my Mums birth certificate it reads
Louise Scamp formally Matthew,
They did say that the Matthew’s had a fairground attraction,
I am interested in finding out more about the Matthew’s family as well, so if anybody knows anything more, please do leave a message on here,
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A photo of Oliver and Louise Scamp, my Grandparents,
This photo was taken in the 1970’s, at Watling Place, Sittingbourne,