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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yelkcub on Wednesday 08 October 08 09:24 BST (UK)
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PAGE family arrived South Australia from 1850
I’m hoping that someone may have come across one or more of these members of the PAGE family of London, England and may be able to throw some light on their life in Australia. At least three of these men were brothers:
James Page – arrived 1850 on board the ‘Jane’(?) Born 1825 I have been told that a directory gives his birth 18 Oct 1825 in London. He died 30 Sep 1913 age 88 in Mitcham, South Australia. He married Susan Elizabeth Allen 18 Feb 1851 in Adelaide. Although the SA marriage records usually provides the bride and groom’s fathers’ names, annoyingly that is not the case with James Page’s wedding. The couple had 9 children: Alice 1852, Helen Hogg (?) 1854, Clara 1855, Horace James 1857, Ernest Henry 1859, Laura 1860, Harriett 1862, Hilda Maude 1864, Halder Alfred 1868. James Page was a merchant, agent and for a time consul or vice consul for France and Switzerland: quite a prominent citizen, it seems.
William Page – arrived 1850 on board the ‘Jane’(?)
Horace Page – arrival date unknown, though possibly also on the ‘Jane’ 1850. Horace had the curious middle name Haverhill, which he may not have used in Australia. Worked for a time as a clerk at McClaren Wharf, Port Adelaide (he was there in 1859). Born 1828 (parents = Henry and Jane)
William Henry Page - arrived on the ‘Marion Moor’ in February 1853. No further details known. Born 1831 (parents = Henry and Jane)
Thomas Page – arrived Pt Adelaide 15 Sep 1850 on the ‘Jane Morrison’ from London. On 21 June 1861 James Page placed a personal ad in the South Australian Advertiser appealing for information regarding Thomas Page’s address. I suppose it’s possibly he might have moved on to another part of Australia. Born circa 1826 (parents = Henry and Jane)
If you have any information or suggestions regarding these PAGE men, or in fact any Page in South Australia in the mid-19th century I would be mightily grateful for any leads
Ian
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Hi Ian
Just working on William there is a marriage on 23/1/1854 at Trinity Church Adelaide -the same church where James and Susan married previously in 1851.
William married a Mary Walker and once again parents not recorded.
Will keep on looking
Troods
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Thanks for that, Troods. It's a shame no father's name is mentioned in the marriage record, as one of the reasons for this enquiry is to try to determine how these various Page men were related. I suspect that the William Page whose marriage you have found was not the son of my ancestor Henry Page - more likely a nephew. The William Henry Page I mention in my original post was definitely my ancestor's son ... and even with this strange family it's unlikely there were two sons called William. Oddly, though, Henry had one son Henry William Page, and another called William Henry: an early example of recycling? It tells me, however, that William was an important family name.
By the way, isn't Dorcas a lovely name?
Many thanks for your reply - much appreciated
Ian in Cornwall, England
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Found another marriage of a William Page to a Mary Ann Knowling in 1852 here
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/births-marriages-deaths/marriages.html
Troods
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Found in Register of Personal Notices:-
29 August 1859
On the 26th of August, at her residence, Halifax Street, after a lingering illness of 12 months, Mary Ann the affectionate wife of William Page, aged 32.
28 March 1870
PAGE - On the 24th March, at Mitcham, of fever, Ernest Henry Page, aged 10 years and a half.
Sashar
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Thanks for this piece of information, Sashar. The second item fits into the pattern I am slowly forming of the Page family. This child was the son of James Page, brother of my ancestor. As to the first, referring to William Page - it's one to put in my data file: it's entirely possible that the William Page mentioned is another of the brothers who arrived in SA within a few years of each other.
Much appreciated!
Ian
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Hi Ian
This appears in the Manning Index (Mitcham) at SA State Library
Obituary of James Page on 2 and 3 Oct 1913, Adelaide Register, pages 8a and 8f of the
You can request a copy online through the Ask a Librarian service
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/manning/
Cazay
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PAGE family arrived South Australia from 1850
I’m hoping that someone may have come across one or more of these members of the PAGE family of London, England and may be able to throw some light on their life in Australia. At least three of these men were brothers:
James Page – arrived 1850 on board the ‘Jane’(?) Born 1825 I have been told that a directory gives his birth 18 Oct 1825 in London. He died 30 Sep 1913 age 88 in Mitcham, South Australia. He married Susan Elizabeth Allen 18 Feb 1851 in Adelaide. Although the SA marriage records usually provides the bride and groom’s fathers’ names, annoyingly that is not the case with James Page’s wedding. The couple had 9 children: Alice 1852, Helen HOGGS 1854, Clara 1855, Horace James 1857, Ernest Henry 1859, Laura 1860, Harriett 1862, Hilda Maude 1864, Halder Alfred 1868. James Page was a merchant, agent and for a time consul or vice consul for France and Switzerland: quite a prominent citizen, it seems.
These may be of interest if the above is your ancestor -
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04hl/
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/ahdb/search.pl?mode=place_detail;place_id=6540
Cando
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Thanks for those, Cando. Rust Hall, Pages Road, Mitcham looks a very des res indeed! And I was able to download an image for my Pages in Australia file.
Cazay - thanks also for the link to the Manning Index. It's really helped me find my way around available SA genealogical sources.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I know your post is quite old now but have just come across it whilst researching my family history. James Page and Susan Allen are my great-great grandparents. I descend from their daughter Helen who married Lewis Hogg who's father Benjamin built a house a few doors from the Page's home "Whitehall" which was renamed "Rusthall" My grandmother Linda was born in this house on Hoggs Rd Mitcham named "Haverhill". Both these homes are still standing. I have quite a bit of history on these two families since there arrival in South Australia, but have been unable to trace James Page's parents. Have you had any success? If you require any info of the Australian Page's please contact me
Regards Janine
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Hi Janine
I am a G Grandson of Helen Hogg (nee Page). My G Mother was Dorothy Mildred, sister to Linda (and others). My mother Heather is still alive (turning 102 February), so a good link to the past. We have accumulated a great deal on info on the Pages and Hoggs, including photographs. would be pleased to share with you. Contact me at: (*)
Ranald Stewart
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy, to avoid spamming and other abuses.
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Hi Ranald
Welcome to rootschat :)
We are not permitted to post email addresses on the forum and suggest you remove it by modifying your post and deleting it.
After you have made three posts you can exchange information etc by personal message.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Ranald,
How exciting to find a cousin so closely related.
I have our family tree on MyHeritage, and, through matching trees, actually have your mum Heather on my tree with married name Stewart but no info on husband or children. How wonderful that she is still alive! I wonder if she remembers my dad at all (1st cousins) perhaps when they were children. My dad was born in 1918 and passed 2010. Longevity runs in the family it seems.
I also have family photos and info, so would love to catch up and share. I have James Page's father as Henry, if correct, but have not been able to go back any further.
It looks as though we need to communicate a few times before we can leave our details, as soon as that's possible I will also send my email and phone number.
Regards, Janine
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HORACE HAVERHILL Page Christened 5 Dec 1828 (birth 8 Nov 1828), Saint James,Westminster,London
Parents HENRY/JANE
1841 Census
St James, Middlesex
HO107/736/4/St James
Henry Page, 50, Independant, not born in County
George Vemping, 25, Male Servant, not born in County
Thomas Page, 15, Grocer, born in County
Harran Page, 12 (Horace), born in County
William Page, 9, born in County
Francis Down, 8, born in County
Lane Page 50 (Jane), not born in County
Catherine Stokesberry, 25 Female Servant, not born in County
Family Trees have Jane as nee GODDEN and there is a Marriage in London 6 Oct 1826.
Some of the Trees have earlier Children for Henry starting with Jane 1810;
But the 1825 Marriage has Henry as a Bachelor!
Trish :)
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Hi Janine,
I am totally intimidated by the antisocial mediators here.
We are cousins, but apparently are not permitted to make contact until making umpteen posts here. Strange for a supposedly passive site. I have a lot of information on our family to share, as I am sure you have on your branch.
I hope you will persevere.
Ranald
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Hi Janine,
I am totally intimidated by the antisocial mediators here.
We are cousins, but apparently are not permitted to make contact until making umpteen posts here. Strange for a supposedly passive site. I have a lot of information on our family to share, as I am sure you have on your branch.
I hope you will persevere.
Ranald
Ranald I suggest you read this link...and it is not umpteen posts it is three.
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Please do not include personal contact details in postings.
This includes e-mail addresses, postal addresses, telephone numbers, etc.
The moderators will delete personal data.
There is a personal message system which you can use to exchange personal details when you have made one more post.
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Cando
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Hi Ranald,
Perseverance is the word! Sad that they must need to put this privacy protection in place, there are too many weirdos out there! Last post says only one more needed, so should be able to send a private message next one :)
I have not had any other contact with relatives from great grandmother Helen's children, so this is wonderful! Has your mum told any family memories? I started working on our family tree a year before my dad, who had advanced Alzheimer's, passed away. Sadly I missed the opportunity to ask him many questions. My grandmother Linda suffered the same fate passing away when I was aged 19. I have wonderful memories of her, spending holidays with her on the farm her brothers owned at Darke Peak. She also came and stayed with us sometimes while in Adelaide.
Have you done a family tree? And do you have our family history book "From Whence We Inherit" by Joan Jenkins? Interesting that Laura, Helen's sister, went to London to claim the "Page Millions" but looks as though, the family connections to the Page's of Wembley are hard to trace as her papers appear to be lost. I have used this book to add to my family tree.
So look forward catching up with you
Regards, Janine
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Hi, I am a great great granddaughter of Helen Hogg (nee Page) and Benjamin Hogg and their son Royston Hogg is my great grandfather. My grandmother. Audrey Hensel (new Hogg) did a lot of work for the book Whence we Inherit. I am trying to find more more records of James Page to confirm his lineage and more particularly birth records and his parents records. Is anyone able to assist? It's fascinating to be in touch with some distant cousins. A painting of Helen Page hangs on my mother's wall.
Ian, you will also be interested to know that a large gun tree still stands in the caravan park at Brown Hill Creek Mitcham, where the Page family "lived" when they first migrated to Australia. Also on a visit to view RustHall last year the original gates still stand with the initials RH on the wrought iron gates.
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Sorry, I should add that my name is Deb
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Hi Deb, how exciting to find another cousin! Helen Page (Hogg) is my great grandmother. My grandmother is Linda Gurr (Hogg) My family tree is on MyHeritage, are you on this site ...or Ancestry? I have no family of Royston so would love to include your side of the family. I remember Uncle Wilf & Uncle Lester (both bachelors) as my grandma Linda lived on their farm in Darkes Peake in their later years & I spent school holidays there. Do you live in Adelaide? I have also seen White Hall in Mitcham also Haverhill where the Hogg's were born also still stands & looks beautifully cared for. Have you seen the family plots in the Mitcham Cemetery? Warm Regards Janine Skurray (nee Gurr)
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Hi Jeanine,
Your grandmother is my great great aunt. If you look at page 200 of the book Whence we Inherit you will see my lineage. My great grandparents are Royston Hogg (brother of Linda) and Maud Wells.
They had 5 children. Richard, Leonard, Winifred, Audrey, Marjorie.
Richard married Pauline (no issue); Leonard married Patricia (3 kids, Susan, Philip, michael) I won't go further on that family at this stage.
Winifried married Ross mayor (no issue)
Marjorie married Reece stevens(no issue)
Audrey married Herbert Hensel (2 children, Adrienne and Janet, janet died age 45 not married no issue)
Adrienne married John hewitt (3 children Melissa, Paul, Deborah - me)
I can add more detail to this side of the family later but perhaps by email when we are allowed to contact each other direct. Hope that helps for now.
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That is Ross magor not mayor
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Hi Deb Thank you, not sure why I missed adding your lot to my tree, must have missed it, will do it now & check I haven't missed any others. It will be great to exchange more family info and I would love to see a photo of Helen! Do you live in South Australia? Perhaps one day we can catch up. In the meantime we will contact here. Cheers Janine
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Hi Jeanine, I'm in SA. It would be great to meet up. Do you know when/how we can message each other direct?
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Hi everyone,
I grew up from age 3-19/20 on Hoggs Road (1993-2009 ish) right in front of the end of Pages Road and am loving this thread. My family had the house until around 2010. I found this thread by Googling Hoggs Road looking for some photos now I live interstate and was feeling nostalgic, reflective. I was wondering if anyone had any old family photos of the landscape/ area from the past? I am especially hoping to see it from before it was all paved etc, alas I know that is a long throw! I feel so lucky to have grown up roaming the area with my sisters and neighbourhood friends (many young kids on Hoggs Road, we grew up together), and feel very connected to the gum trees. Thanks, Katherine
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Hello Katherine, my great great grandparents were founding residents in the village of Mitcham. Hoggs Rd & Pages Rd were named after them. I don't have any photos of the streets, but I do have photos of their homes. I also have lots of photos of Mitcham Reserve and surrounding areas but they are mainly gum tree scenes and no exact location but they are very early photos around turn of the century. Both these homes are still standing. Harverhill, 6 Hoggs Rd and White Hall in Pages Rd. Sadly this site appears to not allow personal contact or to post photos. If you google both these properties and history of Mitcham, you should find photos. Regards Janine
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If Katherine makes 2 more posts, you will be able to use the Personal Message system (the little document icon below your username)
John
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Thanks John