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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: eleanore on Saturday 11 October 08 14:31 BST (UK)
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New to this board so please forgive me if my question on Irish connections has already been covered. We have links to Ireland via - Norgrove's in Dublin & Ganley's in Roscommon.
Alfred George Norgrove m Martha Ann Holman. A Norgrove family appears in 1911 Dublin Census but not sure of the link to our family. Thomas Ganley & sons James and Thomas plus ?? left Roscommon early 1800. We have stacks of Norgrove/Ganley in UK with a large tree in the making, but Ireland has us stumped. Would be grateful for any help/advise.
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Welcome to Rootschat. Not sure exactly what sort of information you are looking for.
If you are trying to find more people in Ireland with those surnames a good place to look is IGI (International Genealogical Index) on LDS site. Put in the surname, select British Isles, Ireland and search with or without the county.
www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
If you are trying to trace your family back to their Irish origins please give us an idea of names and dates you already have but it is much harder to find pre-civil registration records in Ireland.
P.S. to avoid confusion you might want to click the 'modify' button on your 1st post and change the title to IRELAND.
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Thank you. - I have just found in one of the 'chats' Annie & Emily Norgrove, Dublin who appear to have been in City Hall in the Easter Uprising. 1911 census with parents Alfred J and Maria 15 Strandville Avenue. I would welcome any Norgrove information 1900 onwards especially involvement in the Uprising.
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Hello eleanore,
Welcome to RootsChat.
A post on the Dublin board would be a good idea.
One or two Rootschatters visit the Dublin City Library and Archive in Pearse Street fairly regularly.
They might be able to check to see if the Library has any information about the Norgrove family.
BTW the well known snooker referee Len Ganley was born in Co. Armagh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Ganley
Christopher
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thank you for swift reply, recently found this site, just wish I had joined earlier! :)
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Re Len Ganley - tried contacting years ago - there was also a drummer, but he was also elusive!
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Shaw's 1850 Dublin Directory lists one Ganley and two Ganlys.
www.dublin1850.com/dublin1850/xdubdir30.html#Ganley
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Hi Eleanore, is this what you found?seems to give the
Norgrove sisters married names and a few other names
for anyone interested.
Anne
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04io/
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hi i to from this line, have you got any info on william parents back or his wife
Family of William and Mary Ann Norgrove
William Norgrove
Born 12 April 1807, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire. Baptism 10 May 1807
Married 22 December 1834, East Wickham, Kent.
Died 6 December, 1879, East Stonehouse, Plymouth, Devon.
Census 1851 Chipping North, Oxfordshire 1861, Woolwich, Kent, 1871, 1871 Woolwich, Kent.
Occupation – Greenwich out – pensioner Royal Marines.
Mary Ann Norgrove, nee Marsh
Born 28th April, 1815, Woolwich, Kent.
Married 22nd December 1834, East Wickham, Kent.
Died 1890, age 74. Lambeth, London.
Census 1851 Chipping North, Oxfordshire.
Occupation – Dressmaker 1861 Woolwich Kent 1871 Woolwich Kent 1881. 33 Admiralty Street East Stonehouse, Plymouth, Devon, with grand daughter, Caroline Selina Blumfield age 2,
Occupation - Housekeeper.
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JOHN RICHARD my line
Born 13 September 1850, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire.
Edward Norgrove married Edith Amelia Stevens (also known as Amelia Haynes, born 12.3.1882) They had three sons and one daughter.
EDWARD (TED), my grandfather
John, Ethel and Reginald. After Edith’s death he married Sarah and had another son, Jim.
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Hi there,
It seems that my great great grandfather James McCleester was living in the same house as your ancestor (Mary Ann Norgrove) at the time of the 1881 census. I visited Admiralty Street a few years ago, if you would like to see the photos let me know.
Cheers, Charles
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Hi Eleaneor
My uncle Captain Sean Connolly of the Irish Citizen army was in charge of the unit which took over the Dublin City Hall in 1916. My father George and uncles Eddie and Matt were also part of the unit. My aunt Katie Barrett (nee Connolly) who was also a member of the ICA was attending to the wounded with Helena Malony and Doctor Lynn. etc. there were two Norwood sisters in the group and later a brother who was a sergent was sent from the GPO with a few other men to reinforce the unit.
Shiraz
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Shiraz: Sorry have only just picked this up! Do you have any info re the Norgrove's and what was their history/involvement in the uprising. If the brother was a sergeant it suggests a deep commitment.
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Elanore,
I learned the other day that there are 2 Admiralty Streets in Plymouth & the house I photographed (No 33) was the wrong one! Sorry
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Eleanore
The sisters Annie aged 16 & Emily Norwood were both in the City Hall during Easter week. The other member of the family was George who was a sergent. He had been sent with others by James Connolly who was in the GPO to reinforce the garrison. As they were in the City Hall it would indicate they were probably all members of the Irish Citizen Army. The girls had difficulty climbing the railings around the building and Emily burst her skirt when climbing the fence.
The ladies were in the bottom rooms of the building and Annie from time to time climbed out on the roof with food. George was on the roof which came under sniper fire from the Beresford Tower in the grounds of Dublin Castle.
After the building was captured by British military the women were taken to Ship Street Military Barracks and later were jailed in Mountjoy Prison. They were released after about 10 days.
Shiraz
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Eleanore
I've been looking at your previous entries and I feel that George Norwood (the Sergent) must have been a brother to Annie and Emily as you listed their father as Alfred.
Shiraz
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My name is Mathew Norgrove and I'm living in Ireland, I'm also new to this and I look for the English roots as well as more Irish. I do know that the Norgrove's men & girls were very much involved in the planing & fighting in 1916 with 2 or 3 being killed at the G.P.O. The family was in the Irish Citizen's Army.
I did have 2 books with lots of info but I lent them to somebody & never sore them agen hope this was help have to go now buy and please contact me
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Hi
I've been read the post re the Annie and Emily and Georeg Norwood? Last name I had a book entitled The women of the Irish Citizens Army. The tell the same stoy but with the last name Norgrove. Please try and get it
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Matthew/Elenore
I am one of the great nieces of Emily & Annie, though I know very little about them.
Emily & Annie are sisters of my grandmother, how many of the family were involved with the movement is not known but I do know it was not all of them. As far as I am aware none of then moved to England.
Emily married John Hanratty, he is buried in Glasnevin Cemetry under his title of "Commandant John Hanratty"
I have been sent a family tree though this is more to do with my Grandfathers side but if there is anything of relevance I will post it.
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Hi
Having read through some of the thread, there appears to be some confusion.
George Norgrove married Ellen Maria Carter, they had 11 children.
Agnes, Emily (m. J Hanratty, 2 children?). George (brother as mentioned below). Jack, Martha, Robert (known as Bobby), Anna (m Bill Grange. 1 child Peter). Alfred b1900, Alexander b1902, Frederick b1903 (married Louisa Prothero), had 5 children, they lived in Greystones. Frederick was a messenger boy for the ICA in 1916 & lastly Esther b1913.
Thats as much as I know, hope it helps............
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Hi my name is Maura, grandaughter of Annie Norgrove/ Grange. Annie had 3 children, Maura, Liam and Peter.
Emily had 2 children, John and Kathleen Hannratty. Hope this is of some interest.
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Hi Eleanor,
My name is Rebecca Ellen Murphy, great grand daughter of Annie Norgrove, daughter of Ellen Maria Norgrove; thats where I get my middle name :)
Wonderful to see such information and interest
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Hi there. I'm related to the Granges, husband of Annie Nogrove. Would love to speak to some relations :)
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Hi there,
I am a Norgrove from Ireland. I have relation to Emily and Ann also from my family tree. We don’t know a lot but would love to learn more.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Some links-
Emily married John Hanratty…
Marriage 8 September 1920 in Dublin. Annie Norgrove was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09280/5359816.pdf
George Norgrove married Ellen Maria Carter, they had 11 children.
Alfred George Norgrove's marriage - 5 January 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10443/5803268.pdf
1911 census - Norgrove
House 4 in Strandville Place (North Dock, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Strandville_Place/22523/
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Emily married John Hanratty…
Marriage 8 September 1920 in Dublin. Annie Norgrove was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09280/5359816.pdf
Birth of Unknown HANRATTY on 10 June 1921 at Rotunda hospital.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1921/01185/1493434.pdf
Birth of Kathleen Hanratty on 7 October 1922 at Rotunda.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1922/01145/1478664.pdf
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…grandaughter of Annie Norgrove/ Grange. Annie had 3 children…
Anne Norgrove married William Grange on 3 August 1930.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09044/5272540.pdf
(Male) Grange
Birth Apr - Jun 1935
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F175-NMK
(Female) Grange
Birth Apr - Jun 1932
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1QK-ZQR
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1911 census - Norgrove
House 4 in Strandville Place (North Dock, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Strandville_Place/22523/
Per the 1911 census form, 7 children born, 7 still living-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000053731/
Additional children after 1911-
George Ernest Norgrove 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01503/1610356.pdf
Esther Norgrove 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01453/1593651.pdf
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1911 census - Norgrove
House 4 in Strandville Place (North Dock, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Strandville_Place/22523/
Martha from 1911 census.
Martha Norgrove married Charles Frederick Prothero on 3 February 1935 at St Agatha RC Church, Dublin. Her brother Robert William Norgrove was a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1935/08944/5237452.pdf
Children-
(Male) Prothero
Birth July-Sep 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1HL-PWR
(Male) Prothero
Birth April-Jun 1946
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1ZD-GZC
(Female) Prothero
Birth Oct-Dec 1935
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1WW-YJ4
(Male) Prothers
Birth July-Sep 1943
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1CZ-P31
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Robert Norgrove married Mollie Doyle on 18 July 1929 at St Agatha RC Church, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09069/5281193.pdf