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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: croxley on Thursday 16 October 08 15:43 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to trace the roots of my paternal grandmother Mary Catherine Rickman
(nee Collins) born 22/11/1886, who married Henry Rickman in Waterford City 30/1/1909
Her parents were Dennis & Mary (nee Quinlan) he was an army pensioner and I believe
that they lived in Mount Sion Avenue Waterford. The only other thing that I know is that
Henry was in the Cavalry barracks in Waterford and he along with Mary went to live
in England not too long after their wedding.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated
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Hi, and welcome to Roots Chat :)
I'm afraid I can't help you with Irish research, because I have no experience in that area, but I've asked a moderator to move your post to the section which deals with Irish ancestors, where there will be people with experience in this area.
Nick.
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I'm trying to trace the roots of my paternal grandmother Mary Catherine Rickman
(nee Collins) born 22/11/1886, who married Henry Rickman in Waterford City 30/1/1909
Her parents were Dennis & Mary (nee Quinlan) he was an army pensioner and I believe
that they lived in Mount Sion Avenue Waterford. The only other thing that I know is that
Henry was in the Cavalry barracks in Waterford and he along with Mary went to live
in England not too long after their wedding.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated
Hi, I have information on this family, please contact me and I will give you the relavent details, are you on the Rickman or Collins side of this family.
Kind regards, zish.
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Zish and croxley- you'll have to make a few more posts on Rootschat before either of you can use pm (personal message) system here. After that you will be able to exchange details of living relatives, email addresses, etc. which can't be posted online.
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Hi Zish
I'm from the Rickman side, my father was Bernard one of the sons of Henry and Catherine
We are trying to trace back on the Collins side as an Xmas present for 1 of my brothers.
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Sorry Zish
I said Catherine but that's her middle name it should have been Mary.
Croxley
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By the way I'm replying from my workplace so won't be able to pick up on any messages
after 5.0 pm till Monday a.m.
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Hi croxley,
I've just read your message and have realised who you are, we are working on the same case.
I moved from London to Devon.
I will phone you over the weekend.
zish TF.
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Hello, I came across your search for Rickmans in the UK. I am searching for any remaining relatives of Alfred Rickman date of birth November 13th 1886/1887. This RICKMAN family was located in Fulham, Middlesex and I have been trying to locate any connections to Alfred. He is my great grandfather and served in the British navy before immigrating to the United States around 1904. From talks my grandmother and I shared, Alfred came from a large family and unfortunately migrated to the U.S. Have many photos to share.
Please let me know. Thank you
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Has Alfred Rickman any connection to Ireland?
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On the facebook group "Waterford History Group " its say Henry Rickman is an ancestor of the film actor Alan Rickman !
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Well if this is true, then it explains a lot.
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According to this thread Alfred Rickman's
mother grandmother born in Ireland looks to be the Irish connection rather than the Rickman family-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=528312.0
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Alfred RICKMAN
Born: 13th November 1887/1888
Died: 1977
Wife: Bella RICKMAN
Daughter: Mary RICKMAN
Served in Royal Navy for a period of time, then migrated to the United States est. 1904 or a bit later
It is unclear how he immigrated and why there was little contact with his family. He did live on Stanley Road which is now called Michael Road in Fulham? I was told his family was large but unfortunately lost touch. Unclear why. Alfred resided with Bella in New York City and eventually moved up to the Bronx as his daughter Mary (my grandmothrer) owned a home there. He was a man of excellent character and kind to all. A true English gent. He passed a few months before I was born in 77.
Any information you can provide is appreciated.
I can also post a photograph of him if it would help?
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Alfred RICKMAN
Born: 13th November 1887/1888
Died: 1977
Wife: Bella RICKMAN
Daughter: Mary RICKMAN
Served in Royal Navy for a period of time, then migrated to the United States.
It is unclear how he immigrated and why there was little contact with his family. He did live on Stanley Road which is now called Michael Road in Fulham? I was told his family was large but unfortunately lost touch. Unclear why. Alfred resided with Bella in New York City and eventually moved up to the Bronx as his daughter Mary (my grandmothrer) owned a home there. He was a man of excellent character and kind to all. A true English gent. He passed a few months before I was born in 77.
Any information you can provide is appreciated.
I can also post a photograph of him if it would help?
This really has nothing to do with this Rickman, Ireland thread. If you wish to follow up more information on Alfred Rickman in England then post to earlier English thread (see link above). Or, if you want to trae Alfred in American then start a new topic on U.S.A. board.
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I am a descendant of the Collins family of whom Mary Kate married Henry Rickman. I have considerable documentation on this family and happy to help. Note that the famous actor Alan Rickman is a grandson of Mary and Henry through their son Bernard.
Cheers!
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There's a new topic about Cher2354's Alfred Rickman (who was English) here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=706206
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To be clear, my information is on Henry Rickman and Mary Kate Collins, who married in Waterford and subsequently moved to Fulham, West London. It is they whom Alan Rickman descends from.
Mary Kate's father Denis was indeed a retired Army pensioner who served in various places in the 1800s such as Madagascar and the Crimea, and received a number of medals. I am in possession of his military records. His marriage to Mary Quinlan was his second marriage, and he had a series of other children in Scotland prior to marrying Mary who was over 30 years his junior at the time of the marriage. I have numerous official records of both the Irish and the Scottish Collins families and of Denis, and also a number of family stories that have been handed down, which I am very happy to share.
I have no information on Alfred Rickman, sorry.
Thanks!
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Hi Kieth.
I am related to the family above. I would be happy to share any info with you.
Kind regards.
Zish.
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Hi Zish, I PMed you my details. Drop me an email and I am happy to share what I have. Cheers!
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hi Croxley Mary Catherine Collins, was born 22nd Nov 1886, Grant's Lane, did marry Henry Rickman son of Edward & Emma Rickman from Fulham London, Mary's daughter of Denis Collins & Mary Quinlan, who married 5th May 1884, St John's son od Daniel & Honora Collins, Bandon, Co Cork & Mary; daughter of James & Catherine Quinlan of Kilmacow, their family Patrick Denis Collins, born 13th May 1885, Roanmore married 29/9/1909 Ellen Sheehan, St John's Church, Honora Collins, born 28th April 1888, Slievekeale married George Henry Starmer, twins next James Collins & John Collins, born 18th July 1897, Jim
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Jim, do you have details of the Daniel and Honora Collins marriage in Bandon? Or how you found out that Daniel married Honora? That part of my tree is at a dead end. The history of Denis is very interesting and am happy to share if interested.
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Hi Keith I have no info on marriage of Daniel & Honora Collins of Bandon Co Cork, I only research here in East Waterford & South Kilkenny, and to say on the marriage of Mary & Denis in St John's Church 1884, states that Mary's father was (strange) James Quinlan, as Mary was born in Mooncoin Co Kilkenny, the only Mary Quinlan born around that time was to William Quinlan & Bridget Cotton, following family Robert, 1843, Mary, 1844, died young, William, 1845, and Mary 1848, as James Quinlan was given as Mary's Father was Denis's father Daniel?Jim
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Hi all,
I'm a native of Mooncoin parish (also funnily enough with a Collins ancestor from West Cork - my grandmother was from the Rosscarbery area) and in response to a post on the Mooncoin facebook page I figured out Mary Quinlan.
As per the censuses, Mary Quinlan was born sometime in the late 1850’s or early 1860’s - 1856 (1901 census) & 1862 (1911 census).
I could not find a single Quinlan baptism in the Mooncoin register between 1850 and 1865. First one is a Margaret Quinlan on 16th Jul 1866, address Mooncoin town itself, with parents James Quinlan and Catherine Kenny.
When you look in the baptisms of the neighbouring Kilmacow parish, you find other children of these parents, William 1st Feb 1859 Grannyknock, Mary 28th Mar 1861 Grannyknock, Catherine 21st Sep 1863 Ballyke(ohane), Catherine 5th Nov 1868 Currawn & Ellen 22 Jun 1871 Dangan. (all these are townlands in Kilmacow parish - Grannyknock being a sub division of Granny/Grannagh)
So it looks like Mary Quinlan’s family moved around the Kilmacow/Mooncoin area over the years - I can only assume in search of work. You will also find a marriage record in Mooncoin parish for her parents on 11th Aug 1856 in Knockanure (again not a townland in it's own right but a subdivision of one of the townlands at the Killinaspig end of Mooncoin parish). See http://homepage.eircom.net/~mooncoin/Kilnaspic_townslands.htm
You can find all these record at http://registers.nli.ie/
Of course this ties in with Mary's marriage record where her parents are listed as James and Catherine from Kilmacow.
So while Mary Quinlan was born in Grannyknock, the family must have returned to Mooncoin and certainly her mother was a Kenny from Knockanure in Mooncoin parish.
On the Collins side do you have info on Denis' baptism on the off chance that there is a connection to my Collins family?
Regards... Bernard
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Hi Bernard,
Regarding Denis, his British Army records contain an Attestation of his joining the 55th regiment at Lismore on 20 Jan 1847 aged 17 years and 10 months. It states that he was born in Dessert, Bandon, Co Cork. If this is accurate this would place his birth in March 1829. I was not able to find a Baptism record for someone that matches this from Dessert or Bandon around that date, but I am not an expert on Cork parishes. There are a lot of Collins in the area around this time. Let me know if this is helpful and if you find anything I couldn't.
Cheers!
Keith
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Hi Bernard thanks for your info and yes James Quinlan did marry Catherine Kenny, 11th Aug 1856, Mooncoin Church, both saying that they came from Knockanure. Their family baptised William, 1859, Catherine, 1863, and Catherine 1868, Ellen 1871, would Catherine be in wrong in 1863 or 1868, I have found many times Christian names entered wrong. Mary said she was born in co Kilkenny, in the census and to say she is not in Slieverue/Ferrybank and Piltown church records. Regards Jim
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hi Keith I have a Church record of marriage, in Bandon Co Cork of Daniel Collins to Honora Foley, 2nd March 1824, Jim
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Jim,
both Catherine's are correct. I would have to assume the first one died young and the name was reused (as was common practice in the area).
As for the marriage record in 1856 which has Knockanure as the location, all this means is that bride is more than likely from there. Generally speaking the marriage took place at the home of the bride and in the Mooncoin registers where only one place name is mentioned it is the bride's address in all but a handful of the marriages.
"Mary said she was born in co Kilkenny, in the census and to say she is not in Slieverue/Ferrybank and Piltown church records". Could you clarify you point here? Are you just saying that you have searched Slieverue and Piltown and not found Mary Quinlan?
Regards... Bernard
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Thanks Jim. This does not seem to be appearing in the rootsireland online records. Where did you find this record?
Keith
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Keith,
try http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Specifically http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9814530006246
Regards... Bernard
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Hi Bernard & Keith, first Bernard yes I did research church records for Slieverue/Ferrybank, Kilmacow, Mooncoin, and Piltown, and there are no records of Mary, Keith, this record is in genealogy Ireland records for Cork & Kerry >rootsireland do not cover Cork & Kerry Records. Jim
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Hi Keith I found 3 Daniel Collins marriages in Bandon 1820 to 1835 of Daniel Collins to Norry Flynn 25th March 1821, Daniel Collins to Honora Foley, 2nd March 1824, and Daniel Collins to Norry Barry, 5th June 1824, all in Bandon, Co Cork, do you know if Denis had any brothers & sisters? Jim
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Hi Jim, I have no info on Denis prior to his enlistment with the British Army in 1847. He did have a daughter which he named Honora so that would likely put the 1824 option as most likely assuming the usual practice of naming children after parents/grandparents.
Cheers!
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Hi Keith there is a baptism of Denis Collins 29th Jan 1825, to Daniel Collins & Honora Collins, address Kilronan, Dunmanway, sps Michael Daly & Honora Collins, Jim
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Hi Jim,
Just wondering how you got hold of the date of the marriage of Patrick Collins and Ellen Sheehan? I can't find a parish record in Waterford.
Also there were two children between Honora and the twins. William Collins born 28 June 1891 in Cloncoskerine, Dungarvan and Margaret Collins born 25 August 1893 at the Burgery, Dungarvan.
Cheers...
Keith
hi Croxley Mary Catherine Collins, was born 22nd Nov 1886, Grant's Lane, did marry Henry Rickman son of Edward & Emma Rickman from Fulham London, Mary's daughter of Denis Collins & Mary Quinlan, who married 5th May 1884, St John's son od Daniel & Honora Collins, Bandon, Co Cork & Mary; daughter of James & Catherine Quinlan of Kilmacow, their family Patrick Denis Collins, born 13th May 1885, Roanmore married 29/9/1909 Ellen Sheehan, St John's Church, Honora Collins, born 28th April 1888, Slievekeale married George Henry Starmer, twins next James Collins & John Collins, born 18th July 1897, Jim
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http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/37d1156693584
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Hi Keith Patrick Collins, son of Denis Collins & Mary Quinlan, of Kilmacow married Helen/Ellen Sheehan, daughter of Patrick Sheehan & Joanna Sullivan, of Johnstown in St John's Church 29/9/1909, they had a son Denis born 1909, daughter Jane, born 1911, here in Waterford City, Jim
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Thanks Jim - I got it. They also had a bunch of kids after that! Many thanks for your help!
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Hi All.
The Alfred Rickman, who was connected to Henry Rickman and Mary Rickman, nee Collins is Alfie Rickman, brother of Annie Elizabeth Farrington, nee Rickman, both children of James Rickman, brother of Henrey Rickman, married to Mary Collins.
Zish.
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Hi, I have recently started looking at my ancestry.
Another branch of the family of Denis Collins and Mary Quinlan, my paternal grandfather was John Collins, brother of Mary Kate and the twin brother of James. John married Christina Smith at Llanelly Wales in 1920.
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OOps! sorry, misread the ages on the 1911 census. John and James do not appear to be twins. Christina Smith was from Dublin.
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Hi. Now found birth records at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie James and John were twins.
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Hi Ray
Yes, John and James were twins. Glad to hear from you. Not a lot is known about them and in fact I have been told they both died at sea quite early in life. Clearly that is not true at least for John. I replied to your PM and am happy to share everything I have. I've done some substantial research here.
Cheers!
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Hi
My wife (Susan Happs/ nee Collins) is the granddaughter of john collins son of Denis. She is keen to make contact with anyone who has further information?
Thanks
Paul Happs
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Hi Paul,
I have quite alot of info on this. Your wife Susan is my first cousin.
Ray
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hi ray
can you message your email please?
thanks
sue happs
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Hi Susan,
I sent you a PM yesterday containing my email address
Ray
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email doesnt work