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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: Cairns88 on Friday 17 October 08 14:59 BST (UK)
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Hi i'm really stuck on my great great grandfather...
William WHITTINGHAM (or William Davies WHITTINGHAM)
I have found out that he was born in GUILSFIELD, Montgomeryshire in 1826.
I know that his mothers name was Sarah WHITTINGHAM and that she had him out of wedlock with a man named William DAVIES
I also know that Sarah's parents were
John WHITTINGHAM (1754-1816) & Sarah BROWNE (1768-1821)
However I don't know anything about the family or any dates, if someone could help me with this I would be very grateful! :)
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :D
I have some information from the Will of this John Whittingham and masses of other information.
m Sarah Browne by licence in Alberbury, Shropshire on 15 Jun 1788
I'll try to find some more info from my files.
Regards
Gadget
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The will is dated 8 Nov 1816 and names his wife, Sarah, sons John, Richard, Thomas and Lewis and daughters Sarah, Elinor, Martha, Elizabeth, Anne and Mary.
Abode - Burgedin ( ?) , Guilsfield
Gadget
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hey!!
Thank you very much for replying! Ah so thats when they got married :) I've been trying to find that for ages! Thank you!
And all those children :O haha
What was mentioned for Sarah...does it have a married name for her...? or address??
Thank yooooou!
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Hi
It's from a mass of stuff that I have on Montgomeryshire. I don't have full details of the will. Here's some more that I've found from Guilsfield:
Richard bpt 11 July 1793
Thomas bpt 11 Jan 1796
Sarah bpt 12 March 1798
Abode given as Bergeding
I'll look for some more and get back :)
Also, I'll see if I can find anything about William Davies - but that's a more difficult name to track :(
Gadget
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oh wow!!!! Fab!!! Ah so she was 28 when she had William Davies Whittingham, I thought she'd be very young to have had a child out of wedlock haha!!
haha I know it's such a common name :( but if you could find anything that would make my year haha!
Thanks for helping me :)
Charlotte
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Hi Charlotte :)
You gave John Whittingham's birth date as 1754. Do you have a place of birth at all?
I don't see a lot more in Guilsfield but there are quite a lot on Whittinghams in other Montgomeryshire parishes.
Gadget
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Hey!
Yes I do have his place of birth as Alberbury, Shropshire, England
That was from another tree on ancestry so I don't know if it's completly right but they did have his date of birth as 1754!!
Do you know if Sarah Whittingham married William Davies or maybe someone else...?
Also maybe her death date??
Thanks :)
Charlotte
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I don't have access to all the Guilsfield records so haven't found Sarah's marriage. It might be that a census search might bring something up.
Sarah <no surname> b. 1798 +/- , Guilsfield
Have you checked for John's birth/bpt on the IGI?
Gadget
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thanks for the tip gadget! :)
I can't find John's baptist...gonna have a look to see if I can find Sarah's marriage index!!
Where the Whittinghams a big family in the guilsfield area???
Charlotte
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They seem to be all over Montgomeryshire.
I'm on my laptop at the moment so don't have access to the files.
I've found a possible Sarah Davies in London on the 1851 but not sure yet. I've had to query the writing of part of her entry on another thread :-\
Gadget
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excellent thank you :)
yea maybe she moved to London, because to me it looked like she just vanished haha
I can't find a marriage index for her :(
her son William Davies Whittingham ended up in Machen, South Wales as a tailor and married Ann davey in 1856 but I have nothing on where he was before this...
I do however have a possible census for him: 1841 Montgomery age 15
Living with Charles Whittingham 25 and wife 25 (uncle and aunt maybe)
Could this be right??
Charlotte
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Hi Charlotte :)
It's very possible
Ref is HO107/1439 Bk 4 Folio 19 Page 30-31
I'll PM you because there is so muchon the Whittinghams of Montgomeryshire that sifting through it will take me ages and I'll hand on that task to you :)
Gadget
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This is a reply to a very old enquiry on the Whittinghams.
Martha Whittingham who was the neice of the person you are querying was my ggg grandmother.
cheers
Justine
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I've got a link to Whittingham, via Edward, son of Edward Whittingham MP from Montgomeryshire. They are said to be of the family from Middlewich in Cheshire, whoes line goes back to Attkyn Whyttingham, of WHittingham, Lancashire (12th century).
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John Whittingham, b., & Sarah Brown, s., lic., by W. Thornes, Vicar [signs to end of May 1794.] Wit. - Thomas Brown & T. Butterton
Lots more Whittingham's here.
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Alberbury.html
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Whittingham's Charity in Montgomeryshire. Kerry and Montgomery. Page 297
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=knBbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=Edwards+of+Criggion&source=bl&ots=pKgQ0t9pSO&sig=AvCuzTArh-U9S-aKq1FISV2-hKo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=38jBUqTRLca57Ab_34H4BA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Edwards%20of%20Criggion&f=false
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http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Collections-Historical-Archaeological-Relating-to-Montgomeryshire-and-Its-Borders-Volume-17-2/372385/142
Page 94
http://booksnow1.scholarsportal.info/ebooks/oca2/30/montycollections17powyuoft/montycollections17powyuoft_djvu.txt
The Whittingham family had an early connection
with Forden, and probably, through intermarriage with
one of the Lloyds of Great and Little Hem, obtained
a domicile in the latter. We find " Georgius Whit-
tingham de Forden, gen.", on a county grand jury in
the 44th Eliz. He was probably of the Whittinghams
of Court Caldemore, near Montgomery. Edward
Whittingham, father of William Whittingham of
Court Caldemore, called a member of the Inner Temple
in 1627, was probably a brother of George. The latter
is probably the George Whittingham who was married
at Forden 18th February 1601, to "Catherine Lloyde".
" Johes Whittingham de Little Hemme, ar.", was a
juror 10th October 1661, steward to Edward Purcell
for his manor of Over Gorther in 1648, and on the roll
of county magistrates 14 and 16 Charles II.
10th September 1636, is the date of a marriage set-
tlement of John Whittingham and Mary Purcell. 1
The name of Whittingham occurs several times after
this, during the remainder of the century. Consider-
ing the number of times there were births in the
family, it is a wonder that there is not a remnant of
the name in the parish, but it is obsolete.
This Kilkewydd family must not be confounded with
another man named Whittingham, who was such a
universal witness to the marriages in Forden Church,
that the rational inference to be drawn is, that he
acted as parish clerk.
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http://booksnow1.scholarsportal.info/ebooks/oca2/30/montycollections17powyuoft/montycollections17powyuoft_djvu.txt
THE PARISH OF FORDEN. 95
Extracts from Forden Register.
1601. George Whittingham married Catherine Lloyde, 18th
February.
1601. Charles Lloyde married Catherine Whittingham, 18th
February.
1602. Thomas Edwards married Elizabeth Whittingham in
October.
1602. William Whittingham married Margaret Edwards in
October.
1732. John Gayman married Maria Whittingham.
1736. Edward, the son of William Whittingham and Mary
his wife, was buried.
1747. William Whittingham was buried in November.
1753. Ann, the daughter of William and Elizabeth Whit-
tingham, was baptised.
1757. Elizabeth Whittingham was buried in June.
1766. Elizabeth, the widow of William Whittingham, was
buried 3rd of June.
1783. John Whittingham (Kilkewydd) was buried.
1798. Thomas, son of John and Catherine Whittingham,
was buried.