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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: janan on Friday 24 October 08 11:33 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have a copy of London Apprentices : Armourers and Brasiers' Company 1610 -1800 from which I am happy to do look-ups. Although the apprenticeships were in London, the apprentices came from all over the country. The index gives the apprentices name plus his father's name ocupation and abode and the name of the master and date of apprenticeship. It does not unfortunately give the residence of the master or whether he was an armorer or brasier - but there is a separate index of Masters, so if you already know you have, say, a London Brasier you can find out if anyone was apprenticed to him.
Jan ;)
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Thanks for the offer.
I would be interested in any SANDERS (armourers), especially the 1780-1800 period. Family legend has three father-to-son armourer sergeants, and I'm stuck with the middle one who would have been born about 1796 in the Middlesex area. If you're successful, I'll take all the SANDERS on your list.
Regards,
Mark
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Hi Mark
No Sanders listed as Masters I'm afraid. The book's intro says that duty was due on apprenticeships between 1710 and 1814 but there were a large number of exemptions to this act so many expected apprenticeships are absent. I guess father to son apprenticeships would be one of the exemptions , certainly my brasiers are missing in this way.
However there are the following Sanders apprenticeships which may be of interest
Sanders, Anthony s Edward Burford, Oxf mercer to Daniel Tayler 15 Nov 1716
Sanders James s Samuel Bishopsgate Street Lnd blacksmith to William Cowan 10 May 1780
Sanders John s James St Sepulchre Ldn butcher to Robert Birkhead 24 Jun 1670
Sanders John s Abraham St Marylebone Mdx bargeman to John Johnson 20 Mar 1715/16
Sanders John s Samuel Bishopsgate Street Ldn blacksmith to William Cowan 6 Aug 1772
plus these Sandes which may be a variant
Sandes John s David to William Hall 25 Dec 1650
Sandes Samuel s samuel to Edward Yonger 27 Feb 1667/8
Sandes William s David Graythwaite (Satterthwaite) Lan husbandman to William Roberts 25 Jul 1646
Jan ;)
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Appreciate the help anyway.
Regards.
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Hi
I have a copy of London Apprentices : Armourers and Brasiers' Company 1610 -1800 from which I am happy to do look-ups. Although the apprenticeships were in London, the apprentices came from all over the country. The index gives the apprentices name plus his father's name ocupation and abode and the name of the master and date of apprenticeship. It does not unfortunately give the residence of the master or whether he was an armorer or brasier - but there is a separate index of Masters, so if you already know you have, say, a London Brasier you can find out if anyone was apprenticed to him.
Jan ;)
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I would be grateful if you could look up Thomas Williams for me. He was an Armourer and Brazier in City of London. He was born c1747. Many thanks.
Chris
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Hi Chris
Welcome to Rootschat :)
This could be him although if he was born 1747 he would have been rather old
Williams Thomas s Thomas, St Botolph Aldersgate, copper plate maker to John Tilbury 4 Apr 1769
There is also this
Williams Thomas s Thomas to his father 15 Nov 1721
and
Williams Thomas s William St Olave Southwark Sry mariner to Thomas Rodes 26 Jul 1694
Too early but could be related.
Do you have an Ancestry sub? As the Thomas who was apprenticed 1769 indentur is there the master is indexed as Silbury but it is definitely Tilbury
Hope this is of some help
Jan ;)
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Thanks for your reply. It is difficult to tell if it is him. There is a long line of Thomas Williams and it is a common name. They mainly lived in West Smithfield and became Butchers' Cutlers and Surgical Instrument Makers.
Thanks for the lookup.
Chris
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Hi- a bit of a long shot, but I have direct ancestors who were brass founders/ lamp makers in the Finsbury/Moorfields area and was wondering if any apprenticeship records might exist for them?
The bad news is that the names are:
James Smith (born 29 Jan 1786) son of John Smith and Hannah ?
John Smith (James' father) who was probably born abt 1750 - first child was baptised 1774 at St Luke Old Street, Finsbury.
There's also a William Robert Smith, a second son of John, born 1788 who also became a brass founder (and gas fitter)
I have found a James Smith working from Banner Street, Moorfields in the right period but cannot confirm if it is my ancestor.
I know this is a tough one, but have to try!
Kindest regards,
Andy Smith, Guernsey.
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Sorry Andy I can't find anyone for the names/dates you give :(
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan,
never mind- it was a long shot with that surname anyway. Presumably this suggests a family firm? Would there be any Smiths from that vicinity earlier than those dates? There might also be a connection with the surname Walker somewhere along the line as this crops up as a middle name in the 19th century although I've found no connection with that surname anywhere yet.
Thanks for trying,
Andy
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I can't see any - though the abodes are somewhat vague, sometimes as vague as London! Have you tried searching the Freedom of the City Admission Papers on Ancestry? Might be something there. Or this site
http://www.londonlives.org/ is worth a look if you haven't already
I wish you luck with your Smiths - bit of a nghtmare I should imagine.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan
thanks again for trying- yes I've looked at both but again everything I've found up to now is inconclusive. Probably won't get any further on this line. Even found a letter for sale on eBay from a John Smith in London with tender for lamps from the right period but that one was south of the river!
Best regards
Andy
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Would you please look up John Miles,apprenticeship as armourer from
TU about 1762 to1769
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :D
No sign of John Miles I'm afraid. If you haven't already it would be worth checking the Freedom of the City Admission Papers on Ancestry and http://www.londonlives.org/
There were 2 earlier Miles which may connect
Miles Richard s Richard, citizen adn lorimer to Andrew Niblett 7 Oct 1728
Miles Thomas s Thomas, Clyffe Pypard, Wilt, yeoman to Thomas Dring 7 Nov1701
Jan ;)
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Hi
I have a copy of London Apprentices : Armourers and Brasiers' Company 1610 -1800 from which I am happy to do look-ups. Although the apprenticeships were in London, the apprentices came from all over the country. The index gives the apprentices name plus his father's name ocupation and abode and the name of the master and date of apprenticeship. It does not unfortunately give the residence of the master or whether he was an armorer or brasier - but there is a separate index of Masters, so if you already know you have, say, a London Brasier you can find out if anyone was apprenticed to him.
Jan ;)
Do you have any Nisbet(t)/Nesbit(t) s mentioned? Really appreciate this thanks Jean
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No Nisbet/Nesbits as apprentices or masters I'm afraid Jean. Sorry.
Despite 65 pages of entries in the booklet I don't think I've found anyone for anyone yet ( that includes my own Childs and Lyon :( )
Jan ;)
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No Nisbet/Nesbits as apprentices or masters I'm afraid Jean. Sorry.
Despite 65 pages of entries in the booklet I don't think I've found anyone for anyone yet ( that includes my own Childs and Lyon :( )
Jan ;)
Thanks Loads Jan really appreciate you taking your time to look
Jean
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I'm interested in a John Callingwood/Callengewood, etc. who would have been probably apprenticed in the 1620s, particularly if there is information on where he was from.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Nothing for a John Callingwood or variations apprenticed 1620s so no place of origin but there are these entries which may be your John as master and the Thomas Collingwood of Walsall may be related.
Collingwood John son Thomas, Walsall, Staffs, spurrier to John Collingwood 10 Jun 1662
Collingwood Thomas son of Thomas, Walsall, Staffs to John Collingwood 20 Dec 1661
Hall Samuel to John Callingwood 25 Mar 1639
Lyne Edward to John Callingwood 8 Jan 1650/1
Makeris Robert to John Collingwood 10 Feb 1646/7
plus this one which may connect
Collingwood Edward son of John to Robert Bainbridge 1667/8
Jan
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Thank you! Thank you! The connections with a Thomas of Walsall, Staffordshire, is very helpful. I am trying to see if John is the John born 1609 at Rolleston, Staffordshire. He did have a younger brother Thomas born in 1615...... Now to learn more of Thomas at Walsall. Thanks again.
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Happy to have helped :D
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Would love a look up please? Looking for a John Burton, Brazier of Meadow Lane, Leeds. Not sure when he was born or where but know it’s Yorkshire possibly around Leeds area. Was married 1800, so I’m assuming birth around circa 1780s. Was living Meadow Lane birth of daughter Mary in 1817.
Many thanks H
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Sorry there is nothing showing for John Burton - the book is only for those who served their apprenticeship in London though.
Jan
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Oh well, thank you very much for looking though,