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Title: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Saturday 25 October 08 15:20 BST (UK)
Hi,I am trying to find the parents of Isabella Miller,born Lambeth Surrey† approx 1857 but have come to a dead end.Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 15:34 BST (UK)
Hi Lazylane

Welcome to Rootschat!  :)

What resources have you checked?

Do you have the 1861 census for her, her marriage certificate for example?

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Nick29 on Saturday 25 October 08 15:34 BST (UK)
Hi & welcome to Roots Chat †:)

In the 1861 census there is an Isabella M Miller, born 1857 Lambeth, aged 4, living with parents William Miller, b. 1826 Middlesex, and Maria A S Miller, b. 1826, Gosforth, Hampshire. †Mr Miller seems to be a salesman of surgical supplies. (RG9/351 Folio 233, p. 34).

Could this be them ?

 
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: GeoffP on Saturday 25 October 08 15:35 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Roots Chat

This could be her in 1871

RG10/354 F46 p49

St Martin in the Fields
 William Miller 44
Maria † † † " † † 44
Willam † † †" † † 20
Isabella † †" † † 14 † b Lambeth
Louisa † † †" † † †10
Maria A † † " † † † 7
George G †" † † † 4
Charles † †" † † † †1

Sorry copy is very faint. Perhaps somebody else will have more luck with details
 † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † Geoff
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: nanny jan on Saturday 25 October 08 15:44 BST (UK)
Hi lazylane,

Welcome to Rootschat †:D

FreeBMD has 2 possible birth registrations:

Isabella Matilda Miller †DecQ 1856 † Lambeth †1d 252

Isabella Miller † SepQ 1858 †Lambeth †1d †270

The one registered in SepQ 1858 is possibly your lady; †copy of the birth certificate should show her parents.


1881 census has an Isabella Miller b1857 Lambeth living at home with parents and siblings in Lambeth.

William Miller † †Head † † †58 †Perthshire, Scotland † †Stone Mason
Isabella Miller †Wife † † † †56 † † † † " † † † † † † † † "
Grace † † †" † † † † da † † † † 25 † †Lambeth † † † † † † † † Domestic at home
Isabella † " † † † † †" † † † † †22 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Artist Potters
William † † †" † † † †s † † † † †20 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † Clerk to Iron †Merchant
John † † † † " † † † † s † † † † †18 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † Clerk † to Tanners

and a lodger
Arthur S Brown † † † † † † † 25 † Off Cape of Good Hope † Clerk Civil Engineer

All at †136 Kennington Rd, Lambeth Surrey


RG11 †0594/112 † 22


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Saturday 25 October 08 16:24 BST (UK)
Hi, in the 1861 census she was a Grandaughter age 4 of a William and Mary Miller, House painter.
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 16:29 BST (UK)
Hi, in the 1861 census she was a Grandaughter age 4 of a William and Mary Miller, House painter.

I'm tempted to ask how you know that's her?

How did you arrive at Isabella - then we can know how to help you.† The more information you give us, the less we find things that don't fit.  ;D

Kind regards, Arranroots† ;)
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Saturday 25 October 08 16:43 BST (UK)
Hi lazylane,

Welcome to Rootschat †:D

FreeBMD has 2 possible birth registrations:

Isabella Matilda Miller †DecQ 1856 † Lambeth †1d 252

Isabella Miller † SepQ 1858 †Lambeth †1d †270

The one registered in SepQ 1858 is possibly your lady; †copy of the birth certificate should show her parents.


1881 census has an Isabella Miller b1857 Lambeth living at home with parents and siblings in Lambeth.

William Miller † †Head † † †58 †Perthshire, Scotland † †Stone Mason
Isabella Miller †Wife † † † †56 † † † † " † † † † † † † † "
Grace † † †" † † † † da † † † † 25 † †Lambeth † † † † † † † † Domestic at home
Isabella † " † † † † †" † † † † †22 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Artist Potters
William † † †" † † † †s † † † † †20 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † Clerk to Iron †Merchant
John † † † † " † † † † s † † † † †18 † † " † † † † † † † † † † † † † Clerk † to Tanners

and a lodger
Arthur S Brown † † † † † † † 25 † Off Cape of Good Hope † Clerk Civil Engineer

All at †136 Kennington Rd, Lambeth Surrey


RG11 †0594/112 † 22


Nanny Jan
Hi lazylane,

Welcome to Rootschat  :D

FreeBMD has 2 possible birth registrations:

Isabella Matilda Miller  DecQ 1856   Lambeth  1d 252

Isabella Miller   SepQ 1858  Lambeth  1d  270

The one registered in SepQ 1858 is possibly your lady;  copy of the birth certificate should show her parents.


1881 census has an Isabella Miller b1857 Lambeth living at home with parents and siblings in Lambeth.

William Miller    Head      58  Perthshire, Scotland    Stone Mason
Isabella Miller  Wife        56         "                 "
Grace      "         da         25    Lambeth                 Domestic at home
Isabella   "          "          22     "                            Artist Potters
William      "        s          20     "                           Clerk to Iron  Merchant
John         "         s          18     "                           Clerk   to Tanners

and a lodger
Arthur S Brown               25   Off Cape of Good Hope   Clerk Civil Engineer

All at  136 Kennington Rd, Lambeth Surrey


RG11  0594/112   22


Nanny Jan
Thankyou I have checked this family out no connection.
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Saturday 25 October 08 16:52 BST (UK)
Thankyou ,I have checked these out not the family.
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 16:55 BST (UK)
Have you found the family in 1851?                               HO107/1513/551/13

They have daughters Elizabeth and Mary Jane, either of whom could be the mother?

Do you have later censuses for Isabella or her marriage certificate?  These might show her parents, or at least her father?

 :)
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 17:05 BST (UK)
Here they are in 1841 with another daughter Isabella


HO107/673/7/50/3

Wm 40 house painter No
Mary 35 No
William 4 Yes
Elizbeth 3 Yes
Mary 3 Yes
Isabella 4 months Yes

Address: Queen's Place, Finsbury
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: GeoffP on Saturday 25 October 08 17:18 BST (UK)
The 1871 I posted shows Isabella as daughter. I suspect that grandau on 1861 as posted by Nick is probably a mistake by the enumerator.

The birth Isabella Matilda Miller Dec Q 1856 would seem to be correct and as Nanny Jan stated the cert would confirm the parents.

† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †Geoff
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 17:20 BST (UK)
Hi Geoff & everyone

Lazylane has PMed me & will reply on the board shortly - just getting the hang of things!

A  :D
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Saturday 25 October 08 17:43 BST (UK)
Posting these on behalf of Lazylane:

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Hi, the possible connection is that she maybe the illegitimate daughter of my Great grandmother Mary Jane Miller or her twin sister Elizabeth.
Mary Jane was married to my Great grandfather John Reynolds .We have never found a marriage certificate for John and Mary and have practically given up.But  it was always rumoured in the family that my Grand father John had a sister and we thought this might be Isabella.
The 1861 census gave us Isabella's name.I haven't quite got the hang of replying yet! I think I'm getting my quotes and replies mixed up !!
Any advice welcome.



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This Isabella we believe is my Great grandmothers sister who must have died.I wish I knew how to answer the postings!

My comment: refers to the Isabella in the 1841 census


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John Reynolds my Grandfather,was born just after my Great grandfather died.
Mary Jane Miller my Great grandmother remarried a Mr Moore when john was 5 years old, and there was no other children living with them.We have no information on Mary Jane Miller from 1851 when she was twelve  until when my Grandfather was born in the Mint street workhouse in Southwark 1883.


Another of my comments: has anyone got access to baptisms for this (huge?) area to see who is Isabella's mother?

A  ;)
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Monday 27 October 08 16:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all you kind people who took the time to reply to my cry for help,especially Arranroot,who calmed me down as I am a novice at this and was getting in a right panic.
I am heading for the sunshine tomorrow so will hopefully come back to the Roots,with renewed vigour and serenity.
Thankyou all once again and hope to make your aquaintance on my return.I have loads of queries!
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 27 October 08 16:46 GMT (UK)
Don't panic,we've all been there,we were all new to this once....although it does seem a long time ago  ;D

Oh and by the way,there is no such thing as a daft question,if you don't know the answer to anything just ask,and one of us will try to help you.

Carol
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: lazylane on Monday 27 October 08 17:12 GMT (UK)
Cheers Carol,I really did feel stupid.So thanks for your reassurance.
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 27 October 08 17:13 GMT (UK)
Have a nice break Lazylane - and we hope to help you again on your return

A  :)
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 31 October 20 14:23 GMT (UK)
The 1871 I posted shows Isabella as daughter. I suspect that grandau on 1861 as posted by Nick is probably a mistake by the enumerator.

The birth Isabella Matilda Miller Dec Q 1856 would seem to be correct and as Nanny Jan stated the cert would confirm the parents.

                                               Geoff

MILLER, ISABELLA  MATILDA mmn WHITCOMBE 
GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 252

The one registered in SepQ 1858 is possibly your lady;  copy of the birth certificate should show her parents

I donít think this is yourís:

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRFN-XVG

MILLER, ANDREW  DAVID mmn ROBERTSON 
GRO Reference: 1854  M Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 272

MILLER, GRACE  ELIZABETH mmn ROBERTSON 
GRO Reference: 1855  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 280

MILLER, ISABELLA mmn ROBERTSON 
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 270

Jamjar
Title: Re: Can you please help!
Post by: kanskar on Sunday 01 November 20 08:13 GMT (UK)
Deleted. Moved to correct thread.