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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: stoop on Tuesday 28 October 08 16:35 GMT (UK)
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I lived in Greenbrae Loaning until I was fourteen years old and have long been curious about its history. Can anyone enlighten me about its past ?. thanks stoop.
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I can't help you with the history, but perhaps you can help me. I'm just writing up my family history notes & my grandmother lived at 4 Lindsay Place, and 'Bethal Cottage', Greenbrae Loaning from 1891 - 99. My sister says it was a row of low cottages (in 2004)
Do you know it?
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Hi Eccles, I indeed know number 4 I lived there until Iwas fourteen. My grandmother lived next door at number 3, the cottages were named Lindsay Place. The cottages were described as but and ben, that is they comprised of a front room and a rear room. They were joined together but Ido recall my father constructing a doorwaythrough the middle wall, this enabled my grandmother access without her having to go outside. From the Loaning we had to climb three wide steps to the front doors .The sandstone walls were very thick as I can remember sitting on the window sill. Today I believe they are used as holiday homes. I will be very pleased to tell you more if you are interested, particularly about my memories of the Loaning, regards stoop.
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Hi Stoop and Eccles,
Sorry to intrude but I can also add to the residency of 4 Lindsay Place, Greenbrae. In fact with the very helpful reocrds kept at the Ewart Library in Dumfries I was able to trace exactly what year my paternal ancestors lived there.
Quite a coincidence for two rootschatters to have lived in same place, what price three?
Regards,
Kojak
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Hi Kojak, quite remarkable to say the least. My grandmother would probably have bought 3 and 4 around 1945. Who were your ancestors and when did they live there?. Regards Stoop.
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My Great grandfather George Green lived there from around 1910ish until 1917. His war widowed wife - agnes green (nee dickson) lived there till 1930s with her son, my grandfather. I have exact dates somewhere...
Regards,
Kojak
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Thanks Kojak, regards stoop.
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Hi Kojak,
Yes, it's a pretty small world - and I'm writing from Australia!
My family is the Paul family, and from 1891 census my g grandfather aged 26 lived at no 4 with his wife & 4 children. My granny married & moved south to manchester, but Matthew Paul is still listed there in the Kelly's of 1903/4 as a carter & I found planning permission for a stable in 1904, I think. In the 1911/12 Kelly's he's moved to the end of the street - so dates fit.
A son lived at no 7 until the 20s I think, and the family kept to that small area. descendants, grandchildren & g grandchildren still live in Dumfries.
Do you know the area?
regards,
Eccles (as in Manchester, not the Goons, as my husband immediately thought!)
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Hi Eccles,
Indeed I do. I was born in Dumfries not far from Greenbrae Loaning.
In 2007 I spent about 3 hours every Saturday for about 6 months in the library photocopying, researching and noting down genealogy info in Dumfries (which was in addition to all the online research undertaken).
Whilst at the Library I spent ages looking through year by year valuation rolls (dating from 1860s right through to the present day) to trace family members. It is like a yearly census of sorts, but includes taxation details.
Since my great grandparents once lived at Greenbrae Loaning I photocopied the relevant years they stayed there (A3 sheets) and on the same print out I have his neighbours.
In 1914-1915 the properties under the heading Greenbrae Loaning were owned by John Wright, a retired clothier who lived at Delvinbrae, Tinwald. In the four houses listed, John Anderson, sawmiller and his family lived in one. James Hackney, fireman in another, Mrs Jane McLellan the other, and, Thomas Little, a railway employee in the fourth (No. 4 perhaps).
In the following taxation year (1915-1916), the same owner and occupiers were recorded.
In 1916-1917 I see William Paul, labourer was the tenant living in a house with a yearly rent/value of £6 10s 0d. The property was owned by the Trustees of James Teenan, horse dealer of Dumfries - and administered by Jas. Hiddleston & Son, hosue agents.
Mr Paul's neighbours were my great grandmother (Mrs Agnes Green) and her children (my greatgrandfather was at the first world war). Mrs Elizabeth McConnell was in the other house. All had a rental value of £6 10s 0d.
The 1917-1918 and 1918-1919 records showed that the same records applied.
On the 1919-1920 valuation roll, the properties were still owned by the Trustees but Robert Paul, soldier is listed as tenant and his neighbours were William McConnell, labourer and in the other house was my Greens.
The same occupants are listed for the 1920-1921 valuation roll, but the rental value increased to £7 10s 0d.
In 1921-1922 roll record situation was the same except the rental value Had again increased to £9 1s 0d.
In 1922, Robert Paul was listed as a dealer - a situation that remained the case till 1925.
I didn't copy any records for Greenbrae Loaning after 1925 as my Green lot had relocated.
Hope you find some of the above interesting.
Best regards,
Kojak
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Hi there Stoop,
Had to post a message just say say I was born a couple of houses from the Stoop.
I used to go along Greenbrae Loaning to Noblehill school everyday. Greenbrae loaning as yo can imagine, has changed. The Mission Hall is no longer there.
Good luck with your research.
Cupcake
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Hi cupcake I attended Noblehill from 1951 to 1958 when Andy Young was the headmaster , I can recall a couple of teachers , Mrs. Coulthard and Mrs Sturgeon. Yes the old school is unrecognisable. Regards stoop.
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Hi Stoop,
I was there then, too. Then went to Marchmount.
Regards, Cupcake
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Hi cupcake, I did not pass for the Academy but Marchmount, however I initially opted for George St. Not being happy there I transferred to Marchmount where they had just completed the new wing as I recall. Can you remember Bob Goodwins little shop around the corner from the Loaning and Houstons the butchers, it is still there nearly 50 years on . At the bottom of the Loaning there was John Swans farm. Did you ever have anything to do with the kids in Greenbrae?. Regards for now stoop.
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Hi stoop,
JB Houstons Butchers certainly is still there !!
Look here
http://www.freerangereview.com/shop/j-b-houstons-dumfries-4432
Regards
Kojak ;D
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Hi Stoop,
Yes I remember Bob Goodwins shop, very well. I used to help him with the papers.
Houston the Butchers has improved and is the best in the town.
Was friends with the Cannons.
Cupcake
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Evening cupcake, perhaps you are referring to Linda Cannon as I recall she was a redhead. Next door lived the Wilsons. Regards stoop.
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Hi to anybody that can help I have been trying to trace my Great grandmother Mary Douglas who was born Dumfries c 1834 parents unknown the only lead I have ever found is this birth cert for her grandson details from the cert. below
John Sewell born 24 /12/1885 at Green brae Loaning Greenbrae in the county of Dumfries
father John Sewell, Iron worker
mother Catherine Sewell Maiden Surname Henry[ visitor ]home address Workington Cumberland
Audrey
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Thank you so much for that, Kojak!
Robert & his brother William were about 10 yrs younger than my Grandma, it's nice to see them in 'context' with other families - and learn how busy the road was!
William died in 1934, aged 40, leaving 5 children, and Robert went on til 57, and had 11 children, so there's a good chance there are a few 2nd cousins around.
Eccles
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Hi Kojak, and all at Greenbrae forum, i am totally new to forum I found it by accident while trying to find out about a subject about the loaning, I through illness attend a gym class for rehab to breathing, and to show how small a world it is met up with a face from the past, in fact the daughter of the late "kiddie" Houston the grandfather of the present owner of JB Houston's which was originally owned by Blaw McLaughlin & Kiddie Houston in ninety something, I started my working life as first message boy when the shop opened, enough ,the question I am trying to answer is prior to the shop opening where was the butchers shop in greenbrae loaning?, my memory tell's me that it was carried out from the first little cottage on the left hand side as you enter from the Lockerbie road( the shop now has a car park there, there was the cottage then a gate ,high wall and outbuilding with a sloping roof and if i recall the owner was either Jimmy or Wully Swan? who had a brother at the farm at the bottom of the loaning, I, by the way lived at Ivy Cottage across from the shop and remember all the names I have read in the forum ie. the Cannon's, Currie's, Johnstone's,The Goldies in Woodbine cottage,the Wilson's Father played goallie for Clyde FC, Goodwin's shop in Lockerbie rd, I could go on and on , in G/B Place Etc, Etc and all points I was born and raised there from 1942 until 1968 when I got married and moved on,but would appreciate if someone could help with an answer to the butcher's baffle
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Kojak can I edit that I said ninty something should have been fifty something ,its an age thing ::)
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hello dixie, perhaps you can remember my family of Owen, my dad was Harry and my mother Jean we lived at number 3 and and number 4 Lindsay Place, my grandmother lived at no. 3 and we in no. 4, my dad was in the T.A. My best friend was Bryden Goldie.We regularly used to take tattie peelings to Mr. Swan and get apples in exchange. I left Dumfries in 1959 and moved to Liverpool with my family, it was just as Beeching was wielding his axe on the railway, my dad was working as a guard on the railway. Obviously I have lots of memories, regards stoop.
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Stoop Hi, Dixie here thanks for the reply I'm struggling with the name Owen but I went to school with Beth Goldie, you say you left 1959, my dad worked on the railway as a driver and I was the last apprentice fitter before the shed's were closed by Beeching I got out just before and went to ICI, you may have been there at the time I spoke about Re the Butchers have you any memories of that bit I'm sure that I am correct but you like someone else to agree with you. Cheers speak soon, Dixie
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Hi Dixie, my recollection of the butchers is that it has always occupied the position that it is in today . That suggests that maybe just a couple of years before it had been located in the first building as you came into Greenbrae Loaning. I was a couple of years younger than Beth so did not play with her, my friends were Bryden , Andy Wilson, Charlie Mckee, and the Turnbull twins. Regards stoop alias Roger.
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Hi Dixie and the rest of the Greenbrae Gang !
I'm just back online after getting married - see link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,405303.msg2736707.html#msg2736707
I will have a look (Dixie) through the print outs of the valuation rolls and see if the butchers shop moved...
Best regards,
Kojak
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Kojak Hi, still trying to get used to these hit names but will get there I would appreciate any help with the question re butcher's shop, I lived across from the shop in Ivy Cottage and although very young can remember my old granny sending me for meat to the gate next to the cottage when you got inside the gate it opened up to a yard with a lean-to building on your right hand side and the back door to the house on the left, the butchering was done in the building to the right, and the as now shop was only single story then mind goes blank on what the shop was used for???. thanks Bert (AKA, 777dixie)
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Hi Bert,
I will endeavour to look through my valuation roll copies this weekend - probably on Sunday. Will post my findings. The roll records may indicate when the butcher shop location changed etc.
Best regards,
Kenny
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Hi Kenny would appreciate any info at all on the shop, as said I go to gym with the present owner's aunt and I was the first message boy when I was still at Noblehill School. cheers,
Bert
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Hi
I lived in Greenbrae Loaning for 15 years, and remember well Bryden and Beth Goldie, Roger Owen who had a young brother, (but I can't remember his name) also the Cannon family, The Turnbull twins Ian and Allan, who lived in Kirkowens Street, but spent much of their time at their Grannie's house ( she was Mrs Young who had a daughter Margaret) the Currie family, and the Johnstone's too, and the Dickson family. I also remember most of the families who lived in Greenbrae Place and of course Kiddie Houston the butcher, his sons John and Bert (newspaper reporter) and let's not forget Bob Goodwin's shop just round the corner on the Lockerbie Road.
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Flower Power Hi, Good to here from you its a small world now, I am pleased to here that you remember all the folks at greenbrae especially the Dicksons ( Thats me I lived at Ivy cottage 1942- 1968 what 15 years were you there? ) I can remember G/B Place when it was a field and belonged to Swan the farmer at the bottom of the loaning and the the Blackburn all metal houses were built I can remember all the first occupants as our back garden joined the field, now live in the Kettleholm area of Lockerbie. Bert (777dixie)
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Hi all can you all remember the monumental masons at the bottom of the Loaning( Harness). I have photograph of the party held for the Queens coronation it was in the field of John Swan at the back of the cottages down the loaning. As a young lad I remember the time we went train spotting from the Georgetown bridge, waiting for the Thames Clyde express at six every evening. I n winter it was sliding down the loaning on the ice wearing our tackety boots. Going to the Lochar Moss collecting wild flowers with our parents and picking brambles in Autumn. Halloween was always so special as it seemed most adults had made treacle toffee or fudge and when we were invited indoors there was chappit tatties and hidden sixpences. Money did not come into it, but enough sweets given to last until Christmas. Sorry about the sentimentality but I do believe as children we had it good regards stoop.
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Stoop Hi Dixie here great to read your words and memories of Greenbrae, Sammy Harkness sculptor and his brother the electrician Wully ( went on to be QOS chairman) Iain Mc Chestney (nutty ) was a spark and played for Queens, The prty you refer to was it not held the lane up to the field at the bottom of the loaning, and the Glendinnings lived in the next house the son was in the navy I think?.Its great how they all flood back, do you remember Mathie Coid He stayed just at the lamp post across from the Teanans ( he had two Peg leg's and they did not bend at the knee, worked at the gassworks in Brooms road,I can remember being sent for coke for the fire and creosote for the shed, cheer's. Bert (777dixie )
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Hi Dixie, the Coids lived next door to us, we lived at 3, and 4 . I have a recollection of a Peggy Coid who tragically died young of cancer. Regards stoop. I can remember him.
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Hi All
Bert I think will be Bert Dickson who had brothers Tony and Logan? Tony lives not far from me and is married to Christine. I see Logan occasionally, walking his dog on the Annan Road.
Lynda Cannon did have red hair, as did her sisters Anne and Irene, while Susan had fair hair. Sad to say Lynda died earlier this year and I met up with her sisters and family at her funeral.
I also remember that Mr Johnstone (Schooner) made haggis for the butchers. His son Stanford had a pub in Dumfries and his daughter Ruby also lives fairly near me in Georgetown. There was another daughter, but I can't remember her name.
That's all for now folks . Flower Power
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Hi, it's flower power again!
I lived in Greenbrae Loaning from 1950 to 1967, so in fact it was 17 years, not 15 as I previously said.
Didn't know that the land the new council houses were built on belonged to the Carson's. That's interesting!
I believe the house the Carson's lived in now belongs to Kathleen Scaife, who was brought up by her aunt Miss Wilson, who ran a small private children's nursery just across the road from there.
I remember when the new park at Noblehill was built and the diggers etc were there creating the football pitches.
We used to ride our bikes up and down the paths in the older park, I remember the swings and the maypole.
All our games were played in the road - hopscotch (beds we called them) marbles, hula hoops, rounders, tennis ( with a line drawn in chalk for the net), roller skates, slides (on the ice, as you said). We could do that then as the volume of traffic was much less than today.
Aye, it was grand to be a child at that time. We didn't have much, but we didn't weary and were never bored, we made our own entertainment. Happy days!
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I attended Noblehill school from 1951 till 1958 and then moved on to Marchmount. I remember some of the teachers names at primary school , there was the head Andy Young, Mrs. Colthart and Mrs. Sturgeon, I still have school photos from then and remember a few of their names. I recall that after heavy rain the lowest part of the school yard used to flood and make it difficult to access the dinner hall. The Christmas party involved the parents taking in party food and cmaking the decorations. Regards stoop.
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::)hi scoop. i lived in greenbrae from my birth in 1953 until approx 1965 when my family moved from the area. i went to marchmount after noblehill. indeed i remember the coids cannons, the butchers and the sweetie shop but whatever happened to mr austin (i think) from lockerbie road who was a chiropodist and his wife and daughter rene whom i used to play with??? there also used to be an old mans shelter in the old park and an allotments at the bottom to the right of the park. its been great catching up with a few old memories of my neighbour on the loaning.....dogilover
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Flower Power Hi, Dixie here you are spot on B.D. And Black Sheep In family( enough) I do remember all that you say about the loaning including the small nursery at the bottom right hand side, there was a corrigated iron clad shed between there and Crathie Ave it was painted red, My grannie's Gentleman friend kept his car in there with some others his name was Willie Reilly from the glasgow area. You mention schooner I left the butchers in greenbrae and went to work with him at Mathew Flemings on the High st in dumfries. that was before going to the Railway as an apprentice Fitter, small world isnt it Cheers Bert.
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Hi folks,
Sorry I havent had a chance to come back with my findings from the valuation rolls - I have been really busy chasing my wife round the hoose and garden.
I will get to the records, so please bear with me.
Kojak
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I have also been busy chasing up another family search - link here as some may find it interesting:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,310034.0.html
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Hi folks,
ok now that I have stopped chasing the wife around the garden, I have dug deep into my boxes of family history and the following info is taken directly from copied valuation rolls in respect of the proprietors and tenants of properties at Greenbrae Loaning / Terrace for the years stated. I will have another look if I have more years covered.
Starting in 1912-13 Valuation Roll for Burgh of Dumfries - 8th Ward
Greenbrae Terrace is listed under description of place
Lockerbie Road is listed under situation
134 - 136 (4 properties in total) all Lockerbie Road were owned by John S Dykes, hairdresser
The tenants were as follows:
132 - Miss Mary Pool
134 - William Leiper, gardener
136 - David Tweedie, sawyer
136 - Empty
136 - William Nicholson
136 - Empty
Also along Lockerbie Road at No. 148 was a shop owned by Mrs Jane Swan and occupied by Jean Kay. No 146 was the house that was associated to the shop. The valuation roll doesn’t state what the shop was.
1914-15 Valuation Roll for Burgh of Dumfries - 8th Ward
Same above except for the following
Greenbrae Loaning
136 - Empty properties occupied by Miss Sarah Nicholson and Mrs Agnes Green
William Nicholson had seemingly vacated his home (or had died) as Mrs Elizabeth Hobens was living there in 1914.
Also Listed along Greenbrae Loaning were the following accounts:
William McLellan (proprietor of the following properties)
126 - John Graham, labourer
126 - Miss Jean Rogerson
126 - James, Gillies, plate maker
126 - Miss Mary Tyers
128 - Andrew Wyllie, engine driver
130 - Robert Boyd, carter
1915-16 Valuation Roll for Burgh of Dumfries - 8th Ward
No 148 is listed as being occupied by a James Kay, a grocer
126 - John Graham, labourer
126 - Miss Jean Rogerson
126 - James Gillies, platelayer
126 - Miss Mary Tyers
128 - Andrew Brown, motor worker
130 - Robert Currie, fireman
132 - as above
134 - as above
136 - John Dickie, farm worker
136 - as above
136 - as above
136 - as above
Things did not seem to change until 1919-20
Houses un-numbered and listed under Greenbrae Loaning at Lindsay Place belonging to the Reprs of the late Mrs Margaret Thorpe, 75 Minard Road, Crossmyloof, Glasgow.
James Coid, van man
James Charters, butcher (listed resident until 1923)
Charles Henry Body, waggon fitter
William Jardine, retired
John J Dickie, labourer
Miss Jessie Cowan
Houses owned by the Trustees of the late James Teenan (horse dealer)
Robert Paul, soldier
William Connell, labourer
Mrs Agnes Green
Valuation Rolls for 1919-1925 also lists a property at Glenholme, Lockerbie Road (un-numbered) belonging to
Robert Thomson Miller, butcher - proprietor and occupier.
Not sure if any of this is relevant to anyone contributing to this thread but it marks a starting point for the valuation roll information I have on Greenbrae loaning.
I will look to see if I have later Roll records and will report back.
Kojak
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Hi Kojak,
Thanks for the info I will print and study its amazing to read the history of the area in which one was brought up in, any thing else you find will be great thanks, Bert (777dixie )
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Hi Kojak, just to respond to your latest, In a previous message Imentioned that the Coids lived to one side of my cottage on the other side was miss Cowan , I lived in Greenbrae until 1959 it looks as if they had lived there a long time. Regards stoop.
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So much has been written regarding the Loaning and i have very fond memories of when i stayed there as a child. I used to save up my comics such as the Bunty and Jackie and cycle round the corner with them to the fever hospital adjacent to the new park. Ive no doubt other comics belonging to my 2 sisters and brother were in the bag also, but as i left dumfries approx 1966/7 i often wonder what that hospital is now. How we enjoyed playing beds on the pavement and chap door run was a firm favourite much to the annoyance of the neighbours. On a recent visit to a relative i drove past my old house and apart from a garage it looked just as i remembered it and aroused floods of memories of when i stayed there, and can anyone enlighten me as to what happened to Jane Trotter, my friend, who lived at the stoop? Many thanks, Dogilover
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Hi Greenbrae folks,
My great aunts the Glendinnings lived at the bottom of the loaning and we spent all our holidays as children there and loved it. I used to go through the park to Noblehill cafe which had the best ice lollies in the shape of animals. My mother always told me not to go near the old man's shelter! I remember Swan's farm- didn't they have a race horse called Black Jack?
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who remembers the Glendinnings.
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Glensav, Hi 777dixie here. Ref the Glendinnings of greenbrae I am sure I recall them was the son not always away in the navy I don't know if it was the royal or merchant but I remember the dark uniform, and next door going up the loaning were the Jeffery's I think that was a mother and son ( Billy ) who tragically took his own life in the small bore rifle club in Newall Terr in Dumfries ( the reason I do remember it was that later that year his mother asked me if I would like a motor bike, his one in 100 bits he had been restoring it, I said yes and used a wheel barrow to move it up to Ivy Cottage where I lived, for what its worth that started me on a life of engineering once I got it built and running), I digress answer to the original question was yes I do remember them.
Cheers Dixie
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Hello all , although the name Glendenning sounds familiar I cannot recall anyone specifically. Iwonder if anyone out there have any photographs of the loaning as it was. When today I see the cottage where I was brought up made characterless it is quite sad, there is little indication of it being built using sandstone. Regards stoop.
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Stoop Hi,
Dixie here just read your note as you probably did mine, I do agree with you on the change in the loaning, when you think back how did we all live in Ivy Cottage there was my Granny, Dad,Mum, Two young Brothers and me, 2 bed rooms living room kitchen no fridge Granny kept the meat and fresh food in a cupboard at the back door, attic room access by ladder!, and WE had a Bathroom I can remember Granny Having it converted from two coal cellar's at the back, woe stop I could write a book once started, but sadly like you I do not have any pictures from my young days at Greenbrae Loaning. Ivy Cott has more at the back now than we ever had it did have a large garden.
Cheer's
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Hi Greenbraers,
Dixie you were lucky - a bathroom. We had no bathroom just an outside toilet.
That was fun in the type of weather we've just had.
By the way I lived in Moreland Cottage with my parents and sister Beth until 1960. Stoop will realise by now I am Bryden.
The Hoggs lived in the other half of Moreland Cottage.
I remember playing in the street - very few cars in those days - only vehicle I recall interupting us was Mr Hethrington from the Lockerbie Road on his moped.
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Hi Bryden I have sent you a p.m. but I do not know if you have received it yet. regards stoop.
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Bryden Hi, I'll go the top of the stairs then great to here from you do you still live in the area ? is Beth still to the fore? this site is just great to here from auld acquaintances up and down the loaning, have you read any of the early posts I am trying to find out about the butchers shop (where I used to work) to find out the history prior to the shop I mentioned the cottage at the top next to the shop ( gone now) where Jimmy or Wullie Swan used to do the butchering from a shed and outside would you have any memories of this or am I going back too far you.
Cheer's
Bert Dickson
Ex Ivy Cottage 19******* something ;D ;D
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Hello all ,what can any of you remember about your primary school days at Noblehill?. I can remember very little and probably need some prompting. The teachers during my time were Mrs. Sturgeon and Mrs. Coulthart, the head was Andy Young. Regards stoop.
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Hi Dixie,
Yes I am still in Dumfries as is Beth. I am still working at the old ICI site.
I'm afraid my earliest recollection of Houstons is on its present site. The cottages you refer to, I remember the Carricks? converting them into a single house.
Sorry I can't help any more.
Cheers,
Bryden
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Hi Roger,
I did receive your P.M. but am unable to reply until I have made 3 posts. In touch soon
Bryden
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Hi Stoop,
A few names of Noblehill teachers -Mrs McKinnel, Mr Sibbons,
Miss Sandilands. Before Mr Sibbons was the P7 teacher there was a Mr Smith who ran a football competition in the playground after school. After these I,m struggling to remember anymore.
Regards Rustypolo
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Rustypolo Hi,
Dixie here just read your teacher's list again memories, I can add Miss Leaming, Miss Wilson, Miss Rodden (who taught my father ) Mrs Coultard, Miss McKay, Hugh Johnstone P7 He left and went to the academy,Miss Fleming,and the Jannie was a white haired gentileman forgot his name Conal or Connely no its gone now,Andy Young the Heidie took the choir and sang for the Dumfries male voice choir he was a big light with the musical festval in the drill hall on Newal Terr, as said before once started don't know when or how to stop.
Cheer's,
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Evening all, continuing along a different path, has anyone got any knowledge regarding the history of the loaning itself? regards stoop.
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Hi Stoop,
I do know that the word "loaning" means the pathway the cows would take on their way down the fields to the milking byre.
What a lovely name-Greenbrae loaning!
Meadow Bank, where my mother lived, was part of the farm and the other half of the house was the byre, the Carricks used to live there. I think there were twin boys, Ronald was one.
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Hi glensav, thanks for your response. My g.g.g. grandfather who died in 1829 he farmed at the stoop, and I have been trying to determine the precise location of his farm, it was described as a fermtoun, having all the craftsmen clustered close to the farm itself. I have looked at os. maps dated 1851 but it does not help, I need something a little earlier. Greenbrae Loaning might have been on the perimeter. Regards stoop.
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Hi, i am new to this, but have enjoyed reading all about the history of greenbrae loaning, i remember growing up in greenbrae place in the 70s with the jardines, jock,mary,scott,lauren,ritchie,the grahams,emmy,maureen,papa bell,stuart,donald and all the boys from that area, tam henderson, the houstons,stuart,john,nicola,wee robert,the dougans,mike,pete,russel hamilton, could go on and on,it was a great area to grow up in,just had my two girls sledging up parkhead in january, just like we used to 35 years ago.
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Glensav Hi, In your post you mentioned Medow Bank was that the cottage first on the left as you come into the loaning from the Lockerbie road, I remember the Carricks there, but I believe they also lived at the bottom of the loaning in the last cottage on the right at the top of the lane to the mission hall and down to Kirkcowens street, If it was the one at the top it might tie in with my theory regarding the butcher's ie meat supply from the farm? Cheers dixie
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hi dixie,
the glendinnings and the carricks lived opposite the mission hall at the bottom of the loaning beside the lane. i remember the carrick boys in the 1950s.
sorry no capital letters as i broke my wrist yesterday roller skating! i should know better at my age.
cheers
glensav
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Hi Folks,
Stumbled across the site when I was browsing for a photo of my Grand parents house. I lived in Greenbrae between 1947 & 1950, attending Noblehill and Dumfries High. From memory went to High School in 1948.
My Grandparents lived in "Dalston Bank", opposite the Mission Hall and next door to the farm. My GP retired there from Glasgow sometime earlier, their names were Tom & Mary McKinnell. The house was divided in two as my Grans father left the house between 2 sisters, my Gran & her sister whos name was Richardson who had a daughter (Bunty) and son (Louden).
My parents lived in a flat in Queensberry St. (Queensberry close I think), alas it was very small and I was farmed out my GP. My name is Douglas (Dougie) Leitch. I have very few memories of neighbours, if anyone knows of me it would be interesting to hear your memories.
Take care,
Dougie
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Hi Dougie, Bert Dickson here the name rings a bell but struggling a bit with the face, the Glendinnings I remember well, The son Louden was in the Navy?, the time was about right for our paths to have crossed I lived there from birth 1942 until 1968, you may be the very person to help me, in my original post I was asking about the last cottage at the top of the loaning on the RHS ( Lockerbie road end ) I was sure that the occupier used to sell Butcher meat from there before the shop ( Houston's) opened, and he was related to the farmer at the bottom next to Dalston Bank, I lived in Ivy Cottage across from the shop when it was only single story prior to the new shop Mathew McLaughlin & Bert Houston Butcher's opening in 1950 Both had sons that worked in the shop Ronnie McLaughlin and John Houston other son Bert Houston worked and still does for the Standard news paper.
Cheer's Bert
cheers Bert
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Hi Bert,
I was born April 1937 in Glasgow, moving to Greenbrae when I was 10, in the second half of 1947. So would probably be going up to High School just after you started at Noblehill.
I was friendly with a lad from Kirkowens Street called Terry Irvine (lived up a lane near Richardsons house/shop and a lad called Osborne, who lived in the houses across the Annan road opposite the cafe.
My recollection of the Lockernie road end is at least limited.
I remember a General store, I think second building on the left as you turned left into Lockerbie road. My memory is that the Butchers shop was always at the top of the Loaning. Time plays tricks eh, sorry not any help. Your right Louden ( he was a good bit older than me) came from a Navy family. His ancesters go back to "John Paul Jones" who was in some responsible for forming the American navy.
If I can help please feel free to ask, alas don't be too optomistic
Take care,
Dougie
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Dougie Hi, Just to come back on your last post You mentioned Terry Irving its a small world I worked Beside Terry for a lot of years in ICI he was process and I was engineering, his father was a Slater and had a big mouser it was white and was really tanned with working outside, the gen store you mention was Bob Goodwin's he had a son just older than me but maybe younger than youself called Douglas, an other lad was Drew Dalziel who stayed on Lockerbie Road in Irvine Terr his Dad worked with mine at the Railway as drivers, and David Bell who lived on the corner house next to Goodwin's shop round the back, I've been in touch with another lad you may know or remember John Thomson who lived across from me next to the butchers shop going down the loaning, you could go on for ever with memories couldn't you.
Regards
Bert Dickson.
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Stoop - do you have a connection to The Stoop (as we called it) or Stoop Loaning? My great grandparents (Ross) farmed at Parkhead Farm, Stoop, last house on the left. My great aunt (their grand daughter) still lives in Greenbrae Loaning.
Regards
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Hi garan I lived in Greenbrae Loaning from when I was born in 46 till Ileft Dumfries in 59. Way back in 1829 my g.g.g. Thomas Kerr farmed at the stoop, I have been trying to locate the site of his farm without success. I was described as a fermtoun being a self contained settlement with all the neccessary trades and craftsmen. Regards stoop.
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Hi folks can anyone help. I want to buy an 1840 map of the stoop area of Dumfries, but I need a post code can anyone oblige? Regards stoop.
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All Stoop Loaning, Dumfries is DG1 3BP
regards
Do you know the name of the farm you are looking for?
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Thanks garan, it was only ever described as being at the stoop. Regards stoop.
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You are welcome.
It would be some co-incidence if it was Parkhead which as far as I know was the main farm at the Stoop though it was a small holding when my great grandparents lived there in the 1920s. It was sold on in the 70s or 80s. I think they had goats and pigs. I have some old pics from then too. I'm local and have a friend who lives at Ladypark Farm (opposite and up the road a bit). If there is anything I can do locally - I'm a member of the Family History Centre, please let me now. I have no problem tramping around the area or looking up things here in Dumfries if it is any help.
My folks were at Burntfirs before that on the Locharmoss and my grandmother and all her sisters (6 of them as one died at 3 years) went to Noblehill school. Someone here mentioned the old men's hut in Noblehill Park. I was involved in the renovations that changed it to an after school group a couple of years ago. It is still going strong I'm happy to say.
Good luck.
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Hi garan , thanks for your reply. I am hoping that when I get hold of an 1840 o/s map that it might show a cluster of buildings that could be described as a settlement. I have looked at the census for 1841 and it has 80 people living at the stoop. There were as far as could tell only three or four small farms at the time apart from Fountainbleu, so my search goes on. Regards stoop.
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Stoop Hi , Dixie here just came across os maps 1855 any good will try to attach
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Hi Dixie, thanks for the section of map it must go to solving the whereabouts of the fermtoun. Regards stoop.
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Hi Dixie, the Coids lived next door to us, we lived at 3, and 4 . I have a recollection of a Peggy Coid who tragically died young of cancer. Regards stoop. I can remember him.
James Coid was my Greatgrandfather and Mathew with peg legs was his brother ,im sure you are getting mixed up with Peg, she moved to Wales and lived to a ripe old age .James Coids Granddaughter Rena died of cancer at the young age of 28 whom was my mother .
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Have great memories of Greenbrae stayed in Albert Cottages with my grandparents Jean and Tam Nicholson , my Great Grandfather James Coid stayed at Lindsay Place with my Auntie Peg and next door was my Aunt Phemie and Uncle Bill Sturgeon, Remember going to Sammy Harkness for a beddy stone ,Goodwins. Houstons . the Mission hall , Names that I remember Sloans ,Connels ,Cannons ,Dicksons ,Johnstones. Foxs, Mrs Teanon and son Robert ,the nursery , my grandfather parked his old morris minor in the garage next to it ,Johnny the farmer having to go there for Rhubarb ,Tatties Carrots etc , etc ,
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Hi Lescoup, my memories are happy ones too. I can remember taking a bucket of tattie peelings fror the pigs and getting a few apples in exchange. My memory for the correct names is somewhat faulty, b thanks for putting me right. As an excercise Iwill try and remember more and let you share. Regards stoop.
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Hi garan,
I remember a small holding at the Stoop the people were called Clark. My not be the place you were referring to, though. Often walked from the Stoop to Gasstown onto the Annan Road. Remember picking brambles.
Have memories of Fountainlleau Farm and Ladypark.
This is from the Post Office Dumfries & District Directory for 1911 &1912
STOOP
Kay, James, grocer
Corson, Miss Agnes, laundress
M'Minn, James, carter
Parkhead Cottages.
Currie, Mrs Margaret
Johnstone, Thomas, foreman
cleaner
Jardine, Thomas, railwayman
Smith, Mrs M. E.
Beck, Mrs M. H.
Kirkpatrick, W., labourer
Stoop.
Fever Hospital
(Miss Lindsay, matron)
Paterson, John, ploughman
Walker, Matthew, ploughman,
Brownrigg
Hutchison, William, platelayer
Ritchie, John, platelayer,
Comley Cottage
Lamb, William, permanent
way inspector
Rogerson, Albert J., signalman,
Irvine Bank
Harkness, Wm., lorryman
Duff, Mrs E.
Craven, John, gardener
Graham, Mrs Jane
Smith, William, railway
engine stoker
Harkness, Mrs, sen.
Carridice, R., printer
Callander, William, market
gardener
Watnell, James, joiner,
Yarra Bank
Moffat, George, farm
labourer, Loaningfoot
Victoria Place.
Merrie, John, signalman
Stevens, Mary
Turner, Robert, mason
Smith, Margaret
M'Ginley, T., railway employee
Ronnie, William, engine
driver
Morrison, Donald, railway
porter
Shennan, Samuel, railway
guard
McClelland, John, railway
fireman
Jardine, R., mason
regards,
cupcake
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Good morning Cupcake, I enjoyed your reply and adds to our knowledge of the Stoop. Can i throw this one into the pot.? my g.g.g.g. Thomas Kerr was a farmer at the Stoop he died in 1829, apparently he had some standing as he was addressed as Mr. Kerr, his farm was described as a Fermtoun, I have been trying to identify the name of the farm for years but without success. I am particularly interested because I was born and brought up in Greenbrae Loaning. Regards stoop.
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Roger
you didn.t half start something there, good to see you back on
and hope you are well on the mend now.
Allan
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Hi the Greenbrae Loaning Gang . Could any off u help me I'm trying to find sum where on Greenbrae Loaning where was Lockerbie Rd Thistle Lodge as my Nanas mum lived ther till I can trace to 1901 any info will help a lot
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If you are interested in Dumfries history, or want to find a long vanished house, this site is incredible. http://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/nls/75503129
I was able to find out that the green site at Greenbrae Loaning was a hospital of infectious diseases, pre-innoculation, I suppose this included many ailments that no longer worry us at all!
As for Dumfries, the main worry is that the council have allowed many old buildings, still viable, to be allowed to rot until they have to be demolished. Barrie's home was saved for children's literature, but the Vennel now has unsightly gaps.....
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Hello to all interested in Dumfries history. I am tracing the Beck family, linked to Cummertrees and Ruthwell, and to the Huntington's Disease. I am in Melbourne Aust.
Regarding Greenbrae, I have a note saying that Archibald Beck aged 41 died at Greenbrae House 7.12.1893. If he had HD, it suggests the house was an asylum of some sort.
Can someone tell me whether the House is related to the Landing?
What is the Landing- some river side dwellings perhaps?
Regards,
Paul
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Paul Beck HI came across your post in roots chat I lived in Greenbrae from 1942 to 1968 and I have came across this before " Greenbrae House " in fact The House was not in Greenbrae loaning at all but in fact on the Lockerbie road , you come out of Greenbrae turn left towards Dumfries you pass Irving Terr on the left about 300 yards still on the left and there is a house sits back which is in fact the house I think you are looking for Jim Robinson the plumber lived there when I was there, if any good
dixie
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Paul Beck HI came across your post in roots chat I lived in Greenbrae from 1942 to 1968 and I have came across this before " Greenbrae House " in fact The House was not in Greenbrae loaning at all but in fact on the Lockerbie road , you come out of Greenbrae turn left towards Dumfries you pass Irving Terr on the left about 300 yards still on the left and there is a house sits back which is in fact the house I think you are looking for Jim Robinson the plumber lived there when I was there, if any good
dixie
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Paul Beck Hi again
Its dixie777 again just about forgot How to use this PC getting a bit lost at times, I had a mind to say that there was also a Hospital on the loaning but in my day in was the Scarlet Fever Hospital it may have changed from way back , We have one in Dumfries an Asylum don't know when built but maybe then the one at Greenbrae become a Scarlet Fever one the one in Dumfries is called The Creighton Institute Then ( new name The Creighton Royal ) its still there but what its fully used for don't know ( not being of that ilk I hope ) , It had padded rooms etc. the full work's for a person who was a bit slack in the brainbox area, This may help ? I also worked at ICI 63- 88 (19) that is, with a couple of lads one Norman Beck and the Vince Beck brothers There is also an Ian Beck who lives in Lockerbie now That's where I live, Now there you go all is ticketty boo.
777dixie cheers Parkhead Cottages.
Currie, Mrs Margaret
Johnstone, Thomas, foreman
cleaner
Jardine, Thomas, railwayman
Smith, Mrs M. E.
Beck, Mrs M. H.?????????????????????? on Greenbrae Loaning Page 8 or 9 ? 777dixie
Kirkpatrick, W., labourer
Stoop.
Fever Hospital
(Miss Lindsay, matron)
Paterson, John, ploughman
Walker, Matthew, ploughman,
http://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/nls/75503129 try this map
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Mathew Coid was my great grandfather's brother. Jimmy Coid
Who had 3 daughters jeannie phemie & Jessie.... Peggy Stewart was a cousin. and didn't die young it was my mother Rena Nicholson /Maxwell passed at 28 years old who had 2 daughters Arlene & Lesley. Our grandparents Jean & Tam Nicholson brought us up in Greenbrae
Great memories. I remember a lot of these names
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Hi Greenbrae Folk,
My aunt lives on Greenbrae Loaning and I remember walking the dog in the grounds of the old hospital, playing in Noblehill Park and going to the mission on the odd Sunday. I am related to the Cannons, Jim and Annie were my mother's aunt and uncle, and went to Marchmount/the Academy with the daughter of one of the Curry girls. I am trying to find out where my Smith relatives lived on Greenbrae. James Smith was a policeman, but they may have lived there for a short time after WW1 and then moved on to Lockerbie.
huge thanks for any help