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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: fmni on Wednesday 01 October 08 11:43 BST (UK)
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If anyone would like to avail of my Orange Order knowledge don't hesitate to get in touch with me. I a member of the Institution in the County Antrim area but have been researching the Orange Order for quite a while now (and indeed was employed as a researcher by the Grand Lodge of Ireland for a short while in 2007)
I have a number of contacts in different parts of Ireland relating to the Orange Order and would be happy to explore your own family's 'Orange roots'...
I am currently working on an archive for my own District and Lodge so would be happy to help you guys out if I can.
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Hi Fmni
My grandmother used to say that her father
William James George (born 1874) was a member of the Orange order. He lived in Larne County Antrim and his family were from the Magheramorne/Ballycarry area.
In one of the links above there is a photo of the Magheramorne Independent Orange Lodge and I think one of the gentlemen may be Williams father James George (born c 1850)
Any help you could give would be marvellous.
Teresa
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hi just going trough different site,s as i am trying to find out about the dinsmore,and some one is searching for me,and then i came across your message,i would be very grateful if you could help me ,not that i have much information,my uncle used to be an orange man and i can remember every year we would go over to Belfast and stay with my uncle,s and auntie,s for about 3month,s and all the other Holiday,s one year there was a march and i was told only to watch but yes you have guessed i trotted of with them and got lost and the police had to bring me back,so that was the time i went of with them,any way,i don,t know what order or where it was,not much help am i,his name was Eddie dinsmore.and he lived at 42 everton street crumlin road Belfast 14 his date of birth was February 15 1908,when he died i was told i could have all his thing,s like his sash,e.t.c, i hope you can help me good luck,and thanks Jacquie. 8) 8) 8)
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Sort of a preliminary question kalasira - but you say that when he died you could have his sash/collarette.
Do you have this now then or know where it might be? There would be a number on it, e.g. L.O.L. ?? - if you find out that, I can fill you in on the lodge itself.
Just on another note - i though the name Eddie Dinsmore was familiar to me, I work part time as a football researcher - there is an "Eddie Dinsmore" still involved in local football in northern ireland with an amateur Belfast club called 'Sirocco Works' - quite a historic club and formed out of a famous factory - which sadly was levelled a while back. Do you know of your family having any connections with Sirocco?
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hi thank,s
no i don,t have anything as my uncle Eddie died year,s ago ,and i lost touch ,after my mum died his sister,then about a,year later i found out he had died,which tore me a part as i loved him to bit,s so i never got any as he was the last to die,or 2nd to last,the lodge could have been crumlin road cos they lived just of there on everton street,i don,t know about football,but i new he liked football,if this is any help he worked at Harland and wolfe, on the ship,s as a fitter i think,i am sorry i can,t help any more i have a cousin in larne i will try and get in touch with her and ask her ,i also have a cousin in Australia if he gets back to me this week i will ask him,i also have alot of paper cutting,s when different aunt,s and uncle,s died i will check them but that is all i can do,wish i could do more ,but with living he in manchester my mum did,nt like me to talk about it to any one.any will try my best.
thank,s Jacquie
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What date did your uncle die?
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NOT MUCH HELP AM I ,EITHER THE END OF THE 80,S BEGINNING THE 90,S SORRY,I KNOW HE WAS LIVING AT 15 BALLYCRAIGY,GARDEN,S GLEN GORMLEY I THINK THAT IS CO,ANTRM NOT SURE,IN HIS FAMILY THERE WAS
Moderator comment: names of living people removed to prevent identity theft and other abuses. Please use the secure PM system to exchange such info. Thanks
THERE WAS A COUSIN THAT DIED IN THE SWIMMING BATH,S ON THE DRUMLIN ROAD IT WAS IN THE PAPER,I DON,T KNOW ANY THING ELSE REALLY SORRY ,WILL GET BACK TO U LATER TO-DAY,
GOT THEY KEPT BUSY,
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I GOT IT WRONG IT WAS,NT MY COUSIN THAT DIED IN THE SWIMMING BATH,S IT WAS MY UNCLE AND THE BATH,S WERE ON THE FALL,S ROAD,THE ONLY OTHER INFORMATION I FOUND WAS IN A PAPER CUTTING ABOUT MY NANA,THAT DIED,IT READ,S OFFICER,S AND MEMBERS OF THE WEST END BLUE SUPPORTER,S CLUB REGRET THE DEATH OF THE MOTHER OF THEIR HIGHLY ESTEEMED MEMBER JOHNSTON DINSMORE THIS ALL I HAVE.I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE LATE FIFTY,S WHEN HE WAS AN ORANGE MAN,SORRY CAN,T HELP I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHEN EDDIE DIED??
FROM JACQUIE,(WHAT WAS THE WEST END BLUE CLUB.) ???
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That would be a Linfield FC Supporters Club based in Belfast.
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I HOPE YOU GOT MY LAST MESSAGE I FOUND A PAPER CLIPPING AND IT MENTIONED THE WEST END CLUB SUPPORTER,S CLUB,AND THE FAMILY CIRCLE ,DON,T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE.STILL TRYING TO FIND WHEN EDDIE DINSMORE DIED
THANKS JACQUIE.
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'Family circle' just refers to the wider family outside parents, siblings, children.
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Hello fmni,
I would like to take up your kind offer also. I'm afraid I do not have the LOL's but have several family members who were in the Orange Order, they were
G.Uncle William Majury dob 9 Mar 1909 died 11 Jul 1993 lived in 17 Dublin St Belfast
G.G/father John Majury dob 4 Jul c1865 died 9 Jan 1952 lived at 36 North Howard Street Belfast
Uncle Tom Weir dob 12 Feb 1927 died 3 Jun 1993 lived at 2 Silverstream Gardens Belfast
Any help will be greatly appreciated, rregards lostlizzie
If anyone would like to avail of my Orange Order knowledge don't hesitate to get in touch with me. I a member of the Institution in the County Antrim area but have been researching the Orange Order for quite a while now (and indeed was employed as a researcher by the Grand Lodge of Ireland for a short while in 2007)
I have a number of contacts in different parts of Ireland relating to the Orange Order and would be happy to explore your own family's 'Orange roots'...
I am currently working on an archive for my own District and Lodge so would be happy to help you guys out if I can.
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Lizzie, I have put a request in with another rootschatter who looks up Belfast Telegraph notices. If those family members you listed were still part of the Institution when they died, their own private lodge will have placed a death notice within the next couple of days regarding their Brother's death. Given that you're Great Uncle died on the 11th July as well, his death and events the following day in the lodge may still be fresh in the memory of any existing members.
The look-ups either way, should then give me the lodge number to work off regarding finding further information.
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Further to that, the guy (markinbelfast) has come back extremely quick with an answer...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,335759.30.html
Unfortunately there are no death notices relating to their membership of the Orange Order - although he has mentioned that there are plenty of other clubs and societies in the death notices section for your relatives - perhaps a PM to him might help you with a little more information from what he remembers reading today about them as individuals.
As for the Orange links - not finding a death notice is somewhat of a brickwall - it may be worth asking some more living relatives to elaborate if possible.
I did post up names there of a living person who is probably connected, but just realised I can't. Are you related to the chairman of Dundela FC, based in East Belfast?
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I am searching for details of my G Grandfather , Matthew Cairns , who married a Mary Elizabeth Graham in Rasharkin around 1894 before coming to Scotland.
He was an Orangeman , but I don't know if he joined in Ulster or in Scotland.
Don't know if you can help , but thought I'd ask anyway.
All his stuff was passed onto my Mum's cousin(s) and we have lost contact with them
Sorry but that's all the info I can provide.
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Hi Fmni,
has anyone come up with any information about Edward Dinsmore,i did,nt have much to go on and hav,nt heard anything for awhile,
thanks Jacquie,
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I'm afraid unless you have a lodge number or date he died I really have nothing to work off, sorry kalasira!
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I don,t have a lodge number but will try and find when he died,i have his birth day and address and all his family,but the one thing i need,but i will find it and get back to you.is there any thing else that you need what ever you can find i will be very gratefull, thanks alot Jacquie. :) :)
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If a man got his 50 year medal in 1971 would this have been recorded in a local Orange order related newspaper/magazine....where these medals given on a certain day...i.e the 12th July or could they have been presented at any time?
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dear markinbelfast,
sorry can,t answer your quesion,s i can,t even find which lodge my uncle was in or his death,so i am really stuck.from jacquie :'( :'(
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As far as I know such awards would have been given during a lodge meeting rather than a day when they were marching. And yes, such events were often, although not always, in the local newspaper.
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Hello fmni,
Could you find any information about my grandfather, Andrew Rowan b 1866, died 6th August 1942. He was a member of the Orange Lodge, Sandy Row, Belfast. I was told that at one time he was a Grand Master, played the Lambeg Drum and that there was an Andrew Rowan Memorial band. He had five brother"s who probably would have been connected to the Sandy Row branch as well. They all lived around the Donegall Rd area of Belfast. Would the Orange Order have any information as regards address"s etc. especially for these brother"s? I do not have his L.O.L. no. I have looked at the obituaries in the Belfast Telegraph for 1942 but found nothing and can"t think of another newspaper to search. I would greatly appreciate your help,
Thank you,
Taughey.
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If a man got his 50 year medal in 1971 would this have been recorded in a local Orange order related newspaper/magazine....where these medals given on a certain day...i.e the 12th July or could they have been presented at any time?
Just pinned this research down to an orangeman from the Bessbrook area....any idea of the lodges that may have been in this area in 1971
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Hi Mark,
There is a whole district, Bessbrook District No.11 that is made up of five lodges, four of which have 'Bessbrook' in their name as well. The oldest of the five lodges I believe would be LOL 77, Divernagh Ancient Heroes. As far as I know, all five would have been in existence in 1971.
LOL 77 Divernagh Ancient Heroes
LOL 294 Bessbrook
LOL 303 Bessbrook Britannia Temperance
LOL 927 Bessbrook Star of Hope Temperance
LOL 959 Bessbrook Purple Star
I don't know much on any of these lodges, other than the last one, Bessbrook Purple Star who from memory had two of their members killed by the IRA in the Kingsmill Massacre - I think both members are depicted on their lodge banner.
With Bessbrook being a district, they will have hosted a Twelfth of July celebration, it may be worth trying to hunt down a possible booklet that would have been produced for that day, often such a booklet will go into much more detail about the district and the individual lodges.
Regards,
Mark
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my son was born on Orange Day
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Hi fmni
Would it be possible that you could have some info about a McCaldridge / Alexander (they used both names, don't know why??) were members of the Orange Lodge both in Ballymoney Co. Antrim ( from early 1800's I believe) and Lanarkshire Scotland(from 1893 onwards we think). I have a photo of the family at an Orange Parade.
My Great Great Great Grandfather was John McCaldridge / Alexander (?1829) married to Mary Jane Wilkinson in Finvoy Church.
My Great Great Grandfather James McCaldridge / Alexander married jane rainey and then Jane Mulholland, they moved over to Scotland between 1893- 1900 and became as afar as I am aware involed with the Orange Order, in turn my great grandfather William John Alexander was also a member.
If you have any info about these people I would be grateful for it. I know it is a long shot, but It would be interesting to know more about their involvement in the lodges.
Thank you in advance
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Hello fmni from Canada,
My great grandfather Alexander (Sandy) McCalmont was a member of St. John's Islandmagee Lodge #162 from 1897 - 1922. His son Samuel (Sammy) McClelland McCalmont was also a member of #162 from 1942 to his death in 1990. Sammy was also a member of Royal Arch Chapter #260 Redhall, Ballycarry from 1946 as well as a member of Royal Black Perceptory #324.
This is by way of an introduction to my request. Could you please provide me with a history of Islandmagee Lodge #162 including it's founding members?
On a personal note. As my ancestors were Masons am I entitled to acceptance in a lodge?
Thanks.
Roger
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Hi fmni,
I would be interested to know if you have anything on my great grandfather John Dunwoody born 13.05.1854 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire. He married Anne Eliza Bird in Lisburn 19.04.1878 and continued living there. I believe he was a Grand Master in a lodge in Lisburn. I see you are researching relatives there and wondered if you had come across his name.
Any info would be appreciated.
Barry
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Hello fmni from Canada,
My great grandfather Alexander (Sandy) McCalmont was a member of St. John's Islandmagee Lodge #162 from 1897 - 1922. His son Samuel (Sammy) McClelland McCalmont was also a member of #162 from 1942 to his death in 1990. Sammy was also a member of Royal Arch Chapter #260 Redhall, Ballycarry from 1946 as well as a member of Royal Black Perceptory #324.
This is by way of an introduction to my request. Could you please provide me with a history of Islandmagee Lodge #162 including it's founding members?
On a personal note. As my ancestors were Masons am I entitled to acceptance in a lodge?
Thanks.
Roger
Hi Roger,
I've been looking into your request with some interesting findings - the name McCalmont in particular appears to be prolific in the Orange Order around the East Antrim area, such as Islandmagee, Larne etc - however the lodge you mention, St. John's Islandmagee LOL 162 doesn't appear to exist nor has it existed in the past.
However, there is a lodge called "Islandmagee LOL 1962" - this I believe is the lodge that you're interested in and would have been the lodge of your family. The warrant number 162 is actually issued to a lodge in Loughgall, County Armagh. It is possible when the Islandmagee lodge started that they wanted the number 162 but it's definitely LOL 1962.
I will certainly look into it further for you when I get a chance.
Regarding Islandmagee LOL 1962, the following is taken from "The Faithful & The True: A History of Orangeism in County Armagh"
The Lodge was formed in 1869. At the time no hall existed and the brethren may have met at Millbay or some other adjacent venue. The Orange Hall was later built in 1873 at a cost of £150 on a site at the side of what is now Browns Bay Road. Some of the subscription lists still exist and major subscriptions to the building fund were £2, £1, 10/- and 5/-.
In 1893 and 1894 the minutes show that the W.M. of the Lodge was Dr. William Shaw, son of the the Rev. R.H. Shaw, minister of Second Islandmagee Presbyterian Church. A bazaar was held in 1894 to raise funds to finally clear the debt on the building.
The existing warrant was issued in 1891 to Dr. William Shaw. A silk banner was purchased in July 1903 from a John Jameson of North Street. The banner cost £16 and a subscription list includes the names of Dr. Shaw and Colonel McCalmont M.P.
The lodge hosted the Larne District Demonstration in 1880, 1903 and 1929.
A new banner was purchased by the lodge in the 1950's, this being replaced in 1990 and then again in 1993, due to damage. This time the banner cost somewhere in the region of £1200.
There is a little more about the hall itself and about an influx of younger members in recent years and travelling to Scotland for the Scottish demonstration prior to the Twelfth itself.
Also of interest is the fact that there is a lodge called "McCalmonts True Blues LOL 697" - this lodge was named in honour of Colonel James McCalmont, M.P. who resided at nearby Magheramourne House. This lodge first met in premises at Kennedy Row in the village of Ballycarry.
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Hi fmni,
I would be interested to know if you have anything on my great grandfather John Dunwoody born 13.05.1854 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire. He married Anne Eliza Bird in Lisburn 19.04.1878 and continued living there. I believe he was a Grand Master in a lodge in Lisburn. I see you are researching relatives there and wondered if you had come across his name.
Any info would be appreciated.
Barry
I have been looking for references to the surname 'Dunwoody' within Lisburn District Number 6 and have across a 'Sam Dunwoody'.
Bro. Sam Dunwoody was a member of Flowerhill LOL 328 up until 1933 when he and two other members from the Flowerhill lodge set up their own lodge with the warrant number 327.
Given that the name Dunwoody would not be common in Lisburn I would say it's highly likely that your Great Grandfather John Dunwoody was also associated with the Flowerhill lodge. Do you know if he had a son called Samuel or Sam and whether they resided in the Hillhall area of Lisburn?
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Hi fmni
Would it be possible that you could have some info about a McCaldridge / Alexander (they used both names, don't know why??) were members of the Orange Lodge both in Ballymoney Co. Antrim ( from early 1800's I believe) and Lanarkshire Scotland(from 1893 onwards we think). I have a photo of the family at an Orange Parade.
My Great Great Great Grandfather was John McCaldridge / Alexander (?1829) married to Mary Jane Wilkinson in Finvoy Church.
My Great Great Grandfather James McCaldridge / Alexander married jane rainey and then Jane Mulholland, they moved over to Scotland between 1893- 1900 and became as afar as I am aware involed with the Orange Order, in turn my great grandfather William John Alexander was also a member.
If you have any info about these people I would be grateful for it. I know it is a long shot, but It would be interesting to know more about their involvement in the lodges.
Thank you in advance
I'm afraid I haven't had any success with McCaldridge or Alexander - the details I have on Ballymoney District are quite limited though. I have taken a note of the names and area of interest and if I come across anything in the future I will let you know.
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Hi fmni
I would be most grateful for any MCKNIGHT info you might have my family were members of the orange order over many generations my earliest was David McKnight living Ballinderry in 1851 he died be for 1864 the name was spell various ways /MCKNIGHT /MCKNIET/MCNEIGHT
Audrey
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My grandfather - Henry Longmore Chapman was born in Lambeg in 1845. He joined the Antrim Artillery Militia when he was 18, went to South Africa then came bak to Carrickfergus. He later moved to Liverpool where he met my granmother and I am led to believe that he was a very active member of the Orange Lodge in Liverpool. I am not sure if he became a member whilst in Carrickfergus but I would be interested to know if there are any details of him, he died in 1924 in Liverpool.
Thanks
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Hi fmni,
Thanks for the info about Dunwoody's. My gt. grandfather John only had one son William, who was my grandfather, he also had 5 daughters. They lived at 5 Ballynahinch Road, Lisburn. I don't know how that fits in with the area you mentioned. John had 3 brothers and I've recently found out on the Dunbartonshire board that 2 of them emigrated to New Zealand, so no Sam there. The only possibility is through his other brother David, but I have no marriage or children for him at present and I don't even know if he stayed in Scotland or went to N.I. or elsewhere!
Thanks for looking
Barry
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I've had a look at the 1911 census for Dunwoody's living in the Lisburn area. I think if you haven't already you should look into those living in the Ballymacbrendan DED. There is an overlap of names, and the head of house Jonathan (who had a son called Samuel) - he appears to have married in 1891 with his father listed as David Dunwoody.
I appreciate your Anne Eliza is 55 and widowed and living with her children in a different address and DED but these other Dunwoody's live in fairly close proximity and given the unusual surname it is probable to suggest they are related.
Definitely worth investigated these Dunwoody's from your family research perspective. good luck!
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hi fmni, i am researching my grandfather james wilson dob may 8 1866 in dundonald,i 1892 he married elizabeth elwood at st philip and st james in the parish of holywood,in 1893 in comber parish near newtonards in 1895 they lived at Mc clure road Belfast and in 1898 they lived at conlon street belfast after that they moved to England, i know that my grandfarther was in the orange order and can remember seeing his sash as a child any information, you can let me have will be of great help thanks den
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hi
i have been trying to find info on both my father and grandfather who were both members of the Orange Lodge
i have a very old photo of my grandfather with his lodge but there is no info a to which one and i have a medal that belonged to my father which i'm not sure has anything to do with the Lodge or football as on the back it says 1st Div 1925-26 and then his name - have been told my father used to carry the flag in the parades
both of them had the same name Thomad Alexander Beresford my grandfather dies in 1949 and my father in 1980 the family came from Belfast and lived in Syden St west for most of their lives and they were a large family 13 altogether
any help at all - even just an address to contact would be great
many thanks
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Hi fmni
Would you have any information on a William John Lynn, member of a portadown lodge, born c 1872?
Also a Thomas McIvor- 1884- 1922 member of North Belfast Temperance lodge I think.
thanks so much
liscoole
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Hi
Would it be possible to find any information on John
(Jack) Sommmerville born in Scotland John was in the Orange Order when he died 1936 Newry sorry but this is all I
that I know John was my gr uncle and any information woul be grateful
Many thanks
Gail
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Apologies for not replying to this post in a while.
Unfortunately for the above posters it will be difficult to track down the information on your relatives without contact with the individual private lodges - only one lodge is stated and that lodge title no longer exists - there is a lodge called 'North Belfast' (LOL 2046) but no 'North Belfast Temperance' - within Clifton Street Dist No. 1 (which would cover North Belfast, there are plenty of 'Temperance lodges' - perhaps one that might fit the build is, "North End Temperance" (LOL 1252)
I am compiling an 'interested names' database now and will add the following to it:
John/Jack Sommerville d.1936 b.scotland member of the order in Newry
William John Lynn b.1872 member of a lodge in Portadown
Thomas McIvor 1884-1922 possible member of North Belfast Temperance lodge
Thomas Alexander Beresford d.1949 from Syden St area, Belfast
Thomas Alexander Beresford d.1980 from Syden St area, Belfast
James Wilson b.8/5/1866, livied at McClure Rd and Conlon St, Belfast, emi. England
also with regards to 'Beresford' post. 1st Div 1925-26 does not relate to the Orange Order. This is almost certainly a sporting medal. It might be worth investigating whether any of your relatives played for Belfast Celtic - they won the football 1st division in that particular season. It is unlikely that it is a rugby or cricket medal as they didn't have overlapping seasons - rugby wise in both 1925 and 1926 Instonians won the Ulster Senior League.
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For future reference as well - the lodge number is often the key to tracking relatives down. If you have old pictures or even an old collarette or sash, their lodge number will be on it. Feel free to post photos here and I'll see what can be deciphered!
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Many thanks for your reply
Liscoole
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thank you for reply - mine was just a longshot, I really question whether he was a member at all. This is a bit of a cheek but I notice you are searching for ancestors in Lambeg, the named Henry Longmore Chapman was born in Lambeg. I am trying to find his baptism but the Church at Lambeg said they have no records there for 1845 and Proni say the records are at the church!! Have you been able to find the records anywhere? I have come against a brick wall
Pat
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Hi fmni,
Found this thread through a Google search for "Orange Lodge"....hope you may be able to help me with a couple of questions.
1. Would you have any information on LOL Creve 101 near Newry Co.Down? My husband, who lived in Benagh until he was 12, was a junior member of this lodge and remembers carrying the flag in the parade.
2. Also as part of my general search for information I came across a web site that mentions that there are membership registers for 1893-2000 held by the Grand Oranage Lodge, Belfast. Do you know if these are available for the public to view or would you need to ask for permission?
There is an sample page to view at
http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/doc/4435/mrdoc/pdf/source.pdf
I'm hoping that if I can access these membership records it will show other family members i.e. Grandfather, Great Grandfather etc.
Many thanks for the offer of help.
Cheers,
Kate Cunningham
Wellington NZ
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Hi fmni,
Found this thread through a Google search for "Orange Lodge"....hope you may be able to help me with a couple of questions.
1. Would you have any information on LOL Creve 101 near Newry Co.Down? My husband, who lived in Benagh until he was 12, was a junior member of this lodge and remembers carrying the flag in the parade.
2. Also as part of my general search for information I came across a web site that mentions that there are membership registers for 1893-2000 held by the Grand Oranage Lodge, Belfast. Do you know if these are available for the public to view or would you need to ask for permission?
There is an sample page to view at
http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/doc/4435/mrdoc/pdf/source.pdf
I'm hoping that if I can access these membership records it will show other family members i.e. Grandfather, Great Grandfather etc.
Many thanks for the offer of help.
Cheers,
Kate Cunningham
Wellington NZ
Hi Kate,
I'll try and answer both your queries...
1) Creve LOL 101 doesn't exist although that's not to say it hasn't in the past. It is unlikely though as the lodge number 101 is part of Loughgall District rather than Newry District and has the lodge title "Clantilew Bible and Crown Defenders"
Within Newry District though there are 12 lodges including a Creve/Crieve lodge (Crieve Purple Star LOL 252) and also a Benagh lodge LOL 302. I don't have anything on these individual lodges but certainly if I come across anything in the future I will let you know. I don't know the history of the Royal Black Perceptory or Masons in the area, perhaps they had a lodge number 101?
2) Regarding those books mentioned in Eric Kaufmann's studies - these books aren't 'registers' as such but more of a minute book. Within those books lodge numbers will be recorded rather than individual names e.g. LOL 252 - 55 members. It won't list all 55 members names. The names you see on that page will be those recorded as either suspended, expelled or holding District Office (and in some cases Worshipful Masters or Secretary's of Private Lodges)
Unfortunately no central registers are kept - it is hoped that in the future names will be collated as best as possible from various sources such as private lodge books, district and county books and then digitised however this is a long way off yet and will rely heavily on funding etc. The process of training archivists etc has begun though so we're at least making inroads in the right direction.
Regarding the County minute books - these are not publicly available but are held in a library based at the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland. There is sensitivity over data that names living members or living former members of the Institution - whilst permission may be given to view records pre-dating the 1920s/30s it is unlikely that more recent books will be accessed by the general public, and unfortunately certainly not copied. As I said though, it's a tad mis-leading on Kaufmann's part to indicate the records kept are 'membership registers' although he does say on his research website that...
"Please note: this study does not include information on named individuals and would therefore not be useful for personal family history research."
Hope this answers your queries - sorry I can't be of more help at this stage!
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thank you for reply - mine was just a longshot, I really question whether he was a member at all. This is a bit of a cheek but I notice you are searching for ancestors in Lambeg, the named Henry Longmore Chapman was born in Lambeg. I am trying to find his baptism but the Church at Lambeg said they have no records there for 1845 and Proni say the records are at the church!! Have you been able to find the records anywhere? I have come against a brick wall
Pat
Will keep an eye out for the name - It should stand out for me as my partner's surname is Chapman and have been researching her family from the Lisburn area for a while as well - predominately based around the Longstone Street area. I see your Henry Chapman is listed on the LDS listings as father is John and mother is Mary Harper but you've probably got that info long a go!
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fmni,
Thanks for clarifying everything. My husband may have thought the number was 101 but it seems more likely to be as you have stated 252. Memory isn't what it used to be ::) I know it was definitely the Creve/Crieve Lodge, and they probably had connections with the Benagh Lodge as well.
Does Crieve LOL 252 still exist or is it defunct?
Yes, I did read the rider about the information on his site not being used for Family History purposes but then I saw the image with all those names and thought that it might be an untapped resource....ah well dreams are still free.
This will be something for me to put on my to-do list for our visit to Newry, hopefully in 2010/2011. My husband still has family in the area but they are hopeless when it comes to family history. They think I'm strange for wanting to know about all those dead people. ;D :D
Kate
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Wouldn't let that put you off - I have the same problems - especially with my partner's grandparents who are still alive at 90 - their knowledge is a godsend to family researchers yet it can be testing at times - always questioning why I want to know! ::)
Crieve LOL 252 does still exist and is a working lodge as far as I know - unfortunately I don't know anyone in Newry district to ask any further info but if I do come across any you'll be the first to know!
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Hi
Thanks for that, I have seen the LDS record and notice there a few brothers & sisters. According to my mother there was 17 in total and he was the youngest but I not sure if this was a myth. I would really like to see a record of his birth/christening as my mother is convinced he was born a lot later than 1845. There is a lot of mystery around this side of the family and as my mother was the baby of the family (her older brother being 20 years older) they convinced of all sorts of tales to cover up certain things, I think her father was actually 75 years old when she was born! So If you do come up with anything I would be eternally grateful
Pat
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l.o.l 68
hi, could any one help me get in touch with the above lodge as far as we know is ballinderry. as we found a photo of one of our ancestors wearing the sash also he was wearing the black sash no 357 which we think is agahlee. we would like to see if they have any info that could help us. we think the man may be g.g.grand dad thomas maxwellor g.grand dad armstrong.
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L.O.L. 68 is still a very active lodge in Ballinderry District called Roses Lane Ends Temperance.
The lodge was originally known as Ballymaclose L.O.L. 68 and met in Ballymaclose Orange Hall that unfortunately no longer exists. This lodge amalgamated with Ballinderry Peace and Plenty L.O.L. 143 around 1908. A number of lodge members are listed in the book "The Faithful & The True: A History of Orangeism in County Antrim", surnames including Cuddy, Bell, Yarr, Johnson, Stitt and Clenaghan. Unfortuantely no mention of Armstrongs or Maxwells.
I will try and make contact with the current secretary of the lodge and get back to you as soon as possible - to improve the chance of coming across any information, what was your G.Grandfather and G.G.Grandfather's rough birth year and death year?
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l.o.l 68
no date for g.g.grand dad maxwell but died on the 23 oct 1901,g.grand armstrong born on the 22 mar 1862 died 24 jan 1947 in lagan view knocknadona. thanks for the help
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Dear fmni,
I have an old photograph (prob early 1900s) of my Grandfather in an Orange Lodge outside a church (poss east Belfast) with their banner. The inscription at the top of the banner reads - 'ROE MEMORIAL TOTAL ABSTINENCE LOL 938'. The inscription at the bottom reads - 'REV. T.W. ROE LL. D. R.D.'
It might help me identify the actual location of the photograph if you could please tell me something about the lodge. e.g. When was it formed? Does it still exist? Who was the Rev TW Roe? Where was the Lodge based?
Any help appreciated.
Thank you.
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Rev Thomas Wellesley Roe was Rector of St Patrick's Parish (Ballymacarrett) from 1857 to 1889 (although the Parish Church was called Christchurch at that time!). This is on the Newtownards Rd in East Belfast and could be the church in the picture - check out the website below
http://www.downanddromore.org/ballymacarrett/
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LOL 938 no longer exist but i'll try and find out what District they were in and work from there.
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Thank you akanex2 and fmni for your helpful replies.
I plan to check out St Patrick's in the near future akanex2.
Hope you'll be able to dig up a little more fmni.
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It's a start.... but the Warrant Number 938 was first issued in 1823 to a lodge in the townland of Lisnacreevy, Loughbrickland. It was then held in the Banbridge area up until 1875.
In 1884, it was issued to Ballyhackamore District, Belfast to the then Worshipful Master, Samuel Moffitt (may be mistranscribed from Moffett or Moffatt)
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Thank you again fmni.
The information so far would suggest an east Belfast location for the photograph - possibly a new banner? I plan to check out a few of the local churches.
I don't think I mentioned earlier that my Grandfather, Andrew William Walker, is in the photograph and our family has mostly been east Belfast.
For your interest I have attemptet to attach the photograph to this message.
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I does look like St Patrick's, Ballymacarrett, to me.
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Thanks again akanex2 for your interest.
I have been to St Patrick's, Newtownards Road, with the photograph and unfortunately can't get a match. For instance the design of the window behind the Banner doesn't seem to match any at St Patricks. I have also drawn a blank at several other churches (Pres & C of I) I checked in the Newtownards Rd/Albertbridge Road/Bloomfield/Ballyhackamore/Kings Road/Holywood Road areas. Admittedly the design does suggest C of I to me.
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St Patrick's was badly damaged in an air raid in 1941 and substantially rebuilt after the war - which is probably why the window looks different. Maybe you could find old pictures from before the war in a local library which would help confirm if this is in fact the right church.
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Thank you for that valuable bit of information akanex2.
In the 1st instance I have emailed St Patrick's (Ballymacarrett Group of Churches) for information.
I'll let you know the outcome.
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I have confirmed this morning that the photograph was taken at St Patrick's, Ballymacarrett.
The Minister kindly give me access to, what is now, an enclosed area at the rear of the church where the view of the church, including the window, shown in the photograph was clearly visible and remained unchanged.
Furthermore, an elderly lady I met at the church indicated that, to her knowledge, the Lodge(s) paraded up Templemore Avenue prior to the men leaving for service in WWI. This could "possibly" date the photograph to around 1914.
Thank you again fmni & akanex2 for your interest and help.
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Hi,
Can you look up a lodge in Co,Down?
I was told my Great Grandfather Richard Robinson was in Lower Iveagh True Blues LOL 70 in around 1890/1930s
Think its in Lower Iveagh west 8 Dis,
Also his Grandson Richard Robinson was in the same Lodge around 1940s.
And Could you find out who the first members where?
Many thanks
Kind Regards
David R
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Hi fmni
Thank you for your offer. I am trying to find information on my grandfathers brother William Mullan (and any other siblings he may have had) The only information I can find of William is that he was born Galgorm Co Antrim 1872.
My grandfather Thomas Mullan dob18/7/1874 died 10/1/1944 and his 6 sons Hugh,William, Thomas,James, Adam & Henry were members of Cromkill (Co Antrim) LOL 543. I believe my grandfather was grandmaster for a time.
Thanking you
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Hi fmni
It was mentioned in our family that my granda was an 'Orange Man' and I am keen to take up your offer to help. HIs name was Joseph Hamilton, Redcliffe Drive, and he died Feb 1959. I would be keen on any info and indeed if there is a possibility of getting a photo etc. I look forward to hearing from you. :)
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Hello fmni
interesting offer of help about Lodges - my grandfather William John Sands was Master of No 12 LOL Bleary and I would like to find out more about that. His father in turn James Christopher Sands was involved in No 12 Lodge and I would like to find out whether he was also Master...
going even further back, I found out that a probable cousin to an ancestor of mine in the Lurgan area was Master in 1825 of Number 24 LOL, at that time, called Rose and Crown (part of Lord Lurgan's estate)...his name was William Capper....any information about him would also be really appreciated...thank you!!!!
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Hello. Can you find any information on this Lodge. Springdale Purple Star LoL # 942 Clifton Street? Me my Uncle and Father belonged to this Lodge for Years. I did write to the Orange Order last Year but did not get any replay's back.
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I have lots of questions that I have asked from many lodges before but never have been able to get answers over the years
But at this moment.........I would like to know if there are list to whom were on number 1 lodge Tryone....
Steve
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I have lots of questions that I have asked from many lodges before but never have been able to get answers over the years
But at this moment.........I would like to know if there are list to whom were on number 1 lodge Tryone....
Steve
Hi Steve,
There is no number 1 lodge in tyrone. There is Killyman District Number 1 in County Tyrone, but this is then made up of 18 lodges covering areas such as Coalisland, Dungannon, Newmills, Killyman, Tamnamore and Moygashel.
Sorry I can't be of more help here.
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Hello. Can you find any information on this Lodge. Springdale Purple Star LoL # 942 Clifton Street? Me my Uncle and Father belonged to this Lodge for Years. I did write to the Orange Order last Year but did not get any replay's back.
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Springdale Purple Star are still going and are part of Clifton Street District No.4 - what in particular are you after?
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Hello fmni
interesting offer of help about Lodges - my grandfather William John Sands was Master of No 12 LOL Bleary and I would like to find out more about that. His father in turn James Christopher Sands was involved in No 12 Lodge and I would like to find out whether he was also Master...
going even further back, I found out that a probable cousin to an ancestor of mine in the Lurgan area was Master in 1825 of Number 24 LOL, at that time, called Rose and Crown (part of Lord Lurgan's estate)...his name was William Capper....any information about him would also be really appreciated...thank you!!!!
I will look into this for you, certainly LOL 12 are still going and remain part of Lurgan District - their full title is "Bleary Crimson Star" - will see what I can come up with. I don't have LOL 24 listed here as still being active, but I understand from Grand Lodge that it is so will ask about them too when I'm speaking to my friend from Lurgan District. Cheers.
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Hi fmni
It was mentioned in our family that my granda was an 'Orange Man' and I am keen to take up your offer to help. HIs name was Joseph Hamilton, Redcliffe Drive, and he died Feb 1959. I would be keen on any info and indeed if there is a possibility of getting a photo etc. I look forward to hearing from you. :)
The best way to try and find this man's lodge would be to have an exact date of death? Hopefully if he was an active lodge member, an obituary would have been placed in the local paper around that time. Given his address I would assume he was in a lodge within Ballymacarratt District but impossible to pinpoint which one.
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Hi fmni
Thank you for your offer. I am trying to find information on my grandfathers brother William Mullan (and any other siblings he may have had) The only information I can find of William is that he was born Galgorm Co Antrim 1872.
My grandfather Thomas Mullan dob18/7/1874 died 10/1/1944 and his 6 sons Hugh,William, Thomas,James, Adam & Henry were members of Cromkill (Co Antrim) LOL 543. I believe my grandfather was grandmaster for a time.
Thanking you
Will try and look into this for you, LOL 543 Cromkill Occidental Star are still active.
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Hi,
Can you look up a lodge in Co,Down?
I was told my Great Grandfather Richard Robinson was in Lower Iveagh True Blues LOL 70 in around 1890/1930s
Think its in Lower Iveagh west 8 Dis,
Also his Grandson Richard Robinson was in the same Lodge around 1940s.
And Could you find out who the first members where?
Many thanks
Kind Regards
David R
I can have a look into this for you, but don't know much about the lodge despite it being local to me. I note you have an interest in McFarland's from Derriaghy. I have two McFarlands - John and James is a 1934 photograph of Derriaghy LOL 135 - any relation?
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Hi, My Father ,William Ritchie (and his brothers I presume ) probably belonged to an Orange Order close to Broughshane.
My Father left N.I. in 1926 His brothers were...James Alexander.Irwin.John. Andrew.
Maybe you have something on them?
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Hi I would like to know about lodges in Annaloiste and Lurgan, esp names Cassells, Castles, Hanna, McBride, Turkington
Thanks
David
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Hello fmni
May I take up your generous offer.
My late Great Uncle Fred Moore of Dee Street. His Orange Sash reads Ravenhill Guiding Star L.O.L. 975. He was also a member of the Royal Black Precept. He was born February 2, 1887. Died September 16, 1941
Any information you are able to add, would certainley be appreciated.
Thank you
RTB
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I see that this is an old post but It would be nice to see if my ancestors did belong to the Orange Lodge. From what I know, they did belong.
Their name would be Benjamin Adair Davidson ( Davison ) of Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland
Tom
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Hello there
not if you canhelp me but my grandfather was Samuel Crone - a Mason in Lisburn and I believe he was a member of an Orange Lodge there.
I know he was born before 1933 and he died prior to 1967 that is all I have
Perhaps you can help me - my father passed away last year and I would love to get a hold of the lodge crest.
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Hello there
not if you canhelp me but my grandfather was Samuel Crone - a Mason in Lisburn and I believe he was a member of an Orange Lodge there.
I know he was born before 1933 and he died prior to 1967 that is all I have
Perhaps you can help me - my father passed away last year and I would love to get a hold of the lodge crest.
I've made some initial inquiries - did your Sam Crone live in the Hillhall area and was a member of Christ Church choir in Lisburn? Described by the gentleman who knew him as a 'very polite man who smoked a pipe'? This potentially sounds like your Sam, however haven't been able to make a connection to any lodge in either the Orange or Masonic yet.
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unfortunately I am not sure about that - I know that my father grew up in Warren Park estates. Samuel Crone was married to Margaret (May) Taverner. They had some time I believe in HorseHill Park - I think I have a picture of my grandfathers tombstone which would give me the exact birth dates and decease date. My father passed away last year at age 75 so I would assume my grandfather would be about 100 or older if he was still alive.
I had an uncle Samuel who passed away a few years ago but do not remember him smoking a pipe but very possible do not think he resided in the area though he was travelling lots.
I know if you google Samuel Crone Lisburn that his name comes up http://www.lisburn.com/books/lisburn_miscellany/miscellany_1.html
and this one brings up my great aunties
http://www.lisburn.com/oldphotographs/Photo_pages/crone-sisters.html
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Hello there
not if you can help me but my grandfather was Samuel Crone - a Mason in Lisburn and I believe he was a member of an Orange Lodge there.
I know he was born before 1933 and he died prior to 1967 that is all I have
Perhaps you can help me - my father passed away last year and I would love to get a hold of the lodge crest.
I've made some initial inquiries - did your Sam Crone live in the Hillhall area and was a member of Christ Church choir in Lisburn? Described by the gentleman who knew him as a 'very polite man who smoked a pipe'? This potentially sounds like your Sam, however haven't been able to make a connection to any lodge in either the Orange or Masonic yet.
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Hello,sorry to jump in here!!i would be so happy if you could help me or point me in the right direction.I am from Manchester and know nothing of County Antrim except that my great grand father came from there?He was born William Joseph Leetch abt 1860/62. I was told he was an orange man,a very staunch protestant.I believe he left Belfast because the IRA were after him and he changed the spelling slightly. The T was inserted i believe,his marriage cert has his father as Francis Leetch,timber merchant,William Joseph died in Manchester in 1933,were there Orange clubs in Manchester?Could he have still been associated with orange clubs in Antrim whilst in England? hope you can help me in some way. regards irishistory.
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Looking for information on Thomas McCaughan.
His military pension records show him as an Orange Protestant.
He lived in Armoy Town. His military service was from 1915 to 1919.
His wife was Catherine (Kate) nee McBride. His two children, John and Thomas.
I have census and COI records for his family but I can't determine what happened to this family.
Any Orange Order records for Thomas McCaughan?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Hi
I would love to know about any McBlain,White, Hanvey, Gracey connection from Newtownards please
Kind regards
Sebrofa
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Hello, I am interested in the Chapman's.
I have a Mary Ann Chapman whos father John was a butcher around Newry.
Mary was born in 1833.
I am wondering if Henry could be her brother?
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Hi
Firstly thank you for offering your help, much appreciated.
I am trying to find out more information Joseph William Moon, Lisnagrot. He was a prominent member of Lisnagrot LOL, being one of its founder members. His name appeared on the warrant received from the Grand Lodge and was for 25 years, District Master. He was born abt 1845 and died 25 Nov 1916.
Would you have any information re this or know where I could get it. Would ideally love photos etc.
Kind Regards
Maggie
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The best way to try and find this man's lodge would be to have an exact date of death? Hopefully if he was an active lodge member, an obituary would have been placed in the local paper around that time. Given his address I would assume he was in a lodge within Ballymacarratt District but impossible to pinpoint which one.
Sorry fmni, I haven't been onsite for a while but many thanks for this information. I have a death date and I will try and suss out an obit. :)
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Just to let you know that cos of this chat we have uncovered quite a few family tree members from the Lambeg area. surname Chapman, children of John Chapman and Mary Harper (married 1828) Mary Chapman married Philip Marmen Phillips 1855 and moved to Liverpool, living mostly in the Everton area. Thanks folks!!
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l.o.l 68
hi, could any one help me get in touch with the above lodge as far as we know is ballinderry. as we found a photo of one of our ancestors wearing the sash also he was wearing the black sash no 357 which we think is agahlee. we would like to see if they have any info that could help us. we think the man may be g.g.grand dad thomas maxwellor g.grand dad armstrong.
Hi Lauren,
I also have that photo and I think it is possibly Edward Stitt who was your G Grandfather Thomas Maxwell Armstrong's brother in Law married to my Grand Mother Georgina Armstrong, they lived in Ballinderry.
The Armstrong's are more likely to be associated with Knocknadona LOL 159 which they still are to this day.
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Hi - My father was Samuel Crone from Lisburn, and Grandfather was also named Samuel from Lisburn! How can I help you? We are looking for my brother Allen if you can assist it would be appreciated.
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Hi - My father was Samuel Crone from Lisburn, and Grandfather was also named Samuel from Lisburn! How can I help you? We are looking for my brother Allen if you can assist it would be appreciated.
Rootschat isn't a forum for tracing living people (and you aren't allowed to post details of living or possibly living people here) but there are links to hints in Help Pages which you might want to read through-
www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php#living
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I would be really grateful to avail myself of your offer.
My father, James Edward Titterington was a member of the Orange Lodge of St Martin's East Belfast. His brother, William John was also a member, and I believe that he may have been a secretary at one time. We understand, that their father, James Edward Titterington b 1890 was instrumental in the setting up of St Martin's. I would be particularly interested to know if this is true.
As a child I remember many marches passing the top of my grandmother's street - Wolff Street along the Newtonards Road in East Belfast. My father used to return to Belfast each year to walk on the 12th. He was given an Orangeman's funeral in July, 1977.
I have attached a photo which shows my uncle taking the lodge back to his home in Wolff Street - for tea I believe. I understand that St Martin's unfortunately, has ceased to exist. The second photo is of my father walking.
I would be grateful to receive any information that you might be able to provide. Very many thanks.
Linda
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Hi,
Can you look up a lodge in Co,Down?
I was told my Great Grandfather Richard Robinson was in Lower Iveagh True Blues LOL 70 in around 1890/1930s
Think its in Lower Iveagh west 8 Dis,
Also his Grandson Richard Robinson was in the same Lodge around 1940s.
And Could you find out who the first members where?
Many thanks
Kind Regards
David R
I can have a look into this for you, but don't know much about the lodge despite it being local to me. I note you have an interest in McFarland's from Derriaghy. I have two McFarlands - John and James is a 1934 photograph of Derriaghy LOL 135 - any relation?
Sorry for the late reply, I've been offline for awhile..
I was told my GG Grandfather was in a lodge in Derryaghy, another story was he started a lodge there.
His name was Frank (Francis) McFarland and his son Henry.
Frank was born 1835 Slievenagravey, Derryaghy..
Henry was born 1865..
He had two other sons Frank (Francis) and John.. I wouldnt have a clue if there the same Family in your pic.
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Linda I remember you when your family came over to belfast .your uncle billy was secretary of st martins for a long number of years.I can,t remember wether it was england or scotland you lived in.My name is gibson and my mother and your aunt gretta were friends from schooldays till departing this scene of time I had heard that st martins had become defunct but will try to get you some information. The church itself is still there. Most of the men folk in your family circle all had been W.M. at some time
Freddy
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Hi fmni
Would it be possible that you could have some info about a McCaldridge / Alexander (they used both names, don't know why??) were members of the Orange Lodge both in Ballymoney Co. Antrim ( from early 1800's I believe) and Lanarkshire Scotland(from 1893 onwards we think). I have a photo of the family at an Orange Parade.
My Great Great Great Grandfather was John McCaldridge / Alexander (?1829) married to Mary Jane Wilkinson in Finvoy Church.
My Great Great Grandfather James McCaldridge / Alexander married jane rainey and then Jane Mulholland, they moved over to Scotland between 1893- 1900 and became as afar as I am aware involed with the Orange Order, in turn my great grandfather William John Alexander was also a member.
If you have any info about these people I would be grateful for it. I know it is a long shot, but It would be interesting to know more about their involvement in the lodges.
Thank you in advance
I'm afraid I haven't had any success with McCaldridge or Alexander - the details I have on Ballymoney District are quite limited though. I have taken a note of the names and area of interest and if I come across anything in the future I will let you know.
Thank you.
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Hi fmni
Do you have any suggestions about the Annaloste and Lurgan Lodges?
Thanks
Sunnyhill
Hi I would like to know about lodges in Annaloiste and Lurgan, esp names Cassells, Castles, Hanna, McBride, Turkington
Thanks
David
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Hi Can you help with Holywood Co Down lodge?
I was told my grandfather Hugh Whiteley may have been a founder or senior member of the Holywood Lodge. unfortunately i have no date of birth or death for him but he was alive at the time of the signing of the Ulster Covenant as his signiture can be seen on the PRONI website. I was told his name might have been on a plaque in the Lodge Hall.
Thanks anyway.
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Fmni,
Thanks for your offer of help.
My grandfather, John Millen, was a member of the Orange order and I have a couple of his certificates.
He was Master of the Falls Road Methodist Church Defenders L.O.L. 1433 in 1955. The other certificate is for the Imperial Grand Black chapter stating he was elected Master of Preceptory no. 610, Clifton Street, Belfast 1960-61.
I'd be very grateful if you had any information on or photographs of either of these orders.
Many thanks
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Hi fmni,
I'm trying to ID the man in this picture, it was in amongst my Father's photo's.
It looks like he was WM of the Lodge, I'm wondering if there would be a list of WM's held somewhere, you mentioned the Stitt name which was the name of my Father's step dad who lived at Roses Lane ends, problem is the photo doesn't match any others we have. Sorry if this seems a bit of a mess.
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Hi Squid, I'll have a look into this for you.
He's wearing two sashes there, his Orange one which is more visible and showing the number LOL 68 which is indeed based in the Roses Lane Ends area in Ballinderry - I live just up the road from there myself and a number of my family originate in Ballinderry so should be able to have this man identified for you.
The other sash he is wearing is a Royal Black Preceptory sash, not sure which preceptory it is, but again if I manage to get a name for him, I should be able to establish which perceptory and what office he held.
Great photograph and hopefully will be able to give you some story behind it.
Will be in touch,
Mark
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Squid, still working on this. LOL68 moved from Ballymaclose to Roses Lane Ends in 1908.
At that time the W.M. was a Bro. John Cuddy and the D.M. was a Bro. William Bell - are either of these surnames familiar to you?
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Hello fmni,please could i avail off your orange knowledge!My great grandad,william joseph leetch came from belfast, county antrim i believe.William told his son's that he was a strong orange man and that he had to flee Northern Ireland because the IRA were after him.He has changed the spelling of Leetch,but we do not know how!conumdrum or what.William Joseph father was called Francis,and he was a timber merchant.Well that's what it said on Williams marriage cert.William came to Manchester about 1885ish.He had a son Francis William (my grandad)in 1886 but did not marry the mother till 1890.I was told that my grandad Francis William was also a strong orange man here in Manchester.Can you offer me any ideas please.
regards irishistory. :)
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Squid, still working on this. LOL68 moved from Ballymaclose to Roses Lane Ends in 1908.
At that time the W.M. was a Bro. John Cuddy and the D.M. was a Bro. William Bell - are either of these surnames familiar to you?
Hi Mark, these names don't mean anything to me unfortunately. The other sash is a Black 357 which I think may be Ahgalee? The only name around that area that I would be linked with would be Edward Stitt who married my Grandmother Georgie Armstrong, I hail from Ballymacash.
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thanks for the kind offer. I have 2 relatives who were in the order - my Grandfather Andrew Chambers, (had a shop in Sandy Row) and passed away 7/1/1959 - he also had a son Tommy Chambers - not sure of dates but about 1980. Any info much appreciated
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Squid, still working on this. LOL68 moved from Ballymaclose to Roses Lane Ends in 1908.
At that time the W.M. was a Bro. John Cuddy and the D.M. was a Bro. William Bell - are either of these surnames familiar to you?
Hi Mark, these names don't mean anything to me unfortunately. The other sash is a Black 357 which I think may be Ahgalee? The only name around that area that I would be linked with would be Edward Stitt who married my Grandmother Georgie Armstrong, I hail from Ballymacash.
Just an update on this, I had an opportunity recently to show the picture to a prominent member of Ballinderry District. They are of the opinion it is a relation of a 'John Armstrong' who was originally from the Ballinderry area and moved to Ballymacash, either John himself or John's father perhaps? I am still waiting on a list of Past Masters to try and tie this connection down. What relation is John to yourself?
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thanks for the kind offer. I have 2 relatives who were in the order - my Grandfather Andrew Chambers, (had a shop in Sandy Row) and passed away 7/1/1959 - he also had a son Tommy Chambers - not sure of dates but about 1980. Any info much appreciated
Hi there, I've made some initial inquiries but some additional info may be helpful in making sure I've got the right family. Do you know what sort of shop the Chambers had on Sandy Row and whereabouts it was?
Also do you know any addresses the family lived at? Sandy Row District has an impressive archive of past members including trade and address but not digitised and limited access to the public.
Speaking with one of their District Officers, he remembers a Tommy Chambers in the District who would have died around 1980, do you know if your Tommy was a steeplejack? This one apparently was very impressive at building the Arches in Sandy Row, even in his 60s and was a member of LOL 410, St. Thomas's Temperance.
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The shop was the Perfect Dairy in Sandy Row, his wife Margaret would help out in the shop. I believe Tommy worked for the Corporation. I have a pic of Tommy with his wife Mabel and kids.
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Squid, still working on this. LOL68 moved from Ballymaclose to Roses Lane Ends in 1908.
At that time the W.M. was a Bro. John Cuddy and the D.M. was a Bro. William Bell - are either of these surnames familiar to you?
Hi Mark, these names don't mean anything to me unfortunately. The other sash is a Black 357 which I think may be Ahgalee? The only name around that area that I would be linked with would be Edward Stitt who married my Grandmother Georgie Armstrong, I hail from Ballymacash.
Just an update on this, I had an opportunity recently to show the picture to a prominent member of Ballinderry District. They are of the opinion it is a relation of a 'John Armstrong' who was originally from the Ballinderry area and moved to Ballymacash, either John himself or John's father perhaps? I am still waiting on a list of Past Masters to try and tie this connection down. What relation is John to yourself?
Not quite sure yet, possibly my Grandmother's Uncle, Brother of my g g/father Robert Armstrong from Moneybroom. I'm going to Derriaghy church on Fri and hope to get some information. I also plan to get to the records office at some time this year, not easy as I live in England. Thanks for your efforts.
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Hi
:) would appreciate if you could locate any info on my grt grandfather James Lough of Clones,Monaghan (parents Wm Lough and Susanna Colter) he was born about 1852..I believed him to be a member of the Orange Lodge not sure whether in Clones or Glasgow Scotland where he settled and married however he returned to Ireland on holiday and died at Enniskillen Hospital 1917 thanks for any help :)
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Hello, do you have a list of names for the whole of Northern Ireland or is just county antrim? I would like you to look up a few names for me.
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Hi Kate
I went to school with a Cunningham family from that area who went to NZ circa1960 i also know a lot about Orange LOL in Newry area if it is of any help to you
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Hello fmni,
looking for any information on a family member James George,
he was a member of the Knights of Malta just off of Shaftsbury
Square Belfast, he passed away as far as I know in 1961, the
last known address I have is Southport street the old park.
His son Cecil also deceased was a purpleman in the church
of the ascension Cloughfern.
regards Brosie.
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Hi, from Jaen Spain :)
Are you actually able to find Orange LodgeMembers? -FORGIVE :-[ MY IGNORANCE.I
My mother told me her father Alexander Robinson bc1898 d 1958,was a member of an Orange Lodge,the family lived in Auchnacloy,Tyrone.
Alexander was an RUC policeman -been unable to establish whether he was B Special -even tho I have an old photograph of him in uniform,apparently there was litle difference in uniforms.
Would you be able to help-it would be another link in the chain .
Regards
Elsa-Mary
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Roger
162 St John's Islandmagee is a Masonic Lodge, and also a Royal Arch Chapter, Redhall (in Ballycarry) is a "sister lodge" and quite a few brethren are in both.
The was a David McCalmont who was the Worshipfull Master a few years back and is probably related to your forebears.
With regard to Masonic membership, family ties are not a requisite, all you should need to do is contact a local lodge and enquire about joining.
I hope this is of some use.
Graeme
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Can you tell me if my ancestors might have been members of orange lodge in and around Ballymena. Probably in either Cullybackey or Connor or Ballycowan. The names I'm looking for are William John Allen, Elizabeth Hessen, Robert Allen and David Hassan. The years would be round about 1850 - 1885.
Can you tell me which lodges would have been in these areas then.
Kind regards
Dab
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I would like to take you up on your offer if it's still there.
My ancestor Robert Maxwell, born abt 1796 left Ireland with wife and sons William, born 28 Feb 1819 and James, born abt 1823. William was an orangeman in Canada and in Michigan when the family came here. I'm assuming that Robert would have been as well. The area should have been Carncastle, Kilwaughter, Grange of Killyglen or Larne Parishes. Sorry I don't have any additional information.
Whatever help you can give me would be appreciated.
Tory
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Hi folks i am looking for info on my relatives ie.. DOWDS & COLWELL who lived in and around the shankill and at one time just of the falls road ....i would like to know if any of them where members of the orange lodges in these areas.. thanks for any help jim
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Great Site! I've read every message,,, Missed my lunch.
I haven't got enough information on my Orange Order Member yet ,
Will be back.
karen