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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: moogester on Tuesday 04 November 08 15:15 GMT (UK)
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I wonder can anyone help me? My great grandmother Mabel Sophie Fanny Wilson, came from a fairground family, I have found mention of her and her family on the 1901 census when they were living in Gurlings Yard in Battersea. She married Frank Fisher in Battersea in 1908, I don't think he was a traveller. I have her brother's name Charles Wilson (who nobody in the family can remember) and her mother's Christian name Sarah, but no maiden name. I know there is no birth certificate for Mabel as there was confusion when her 100th birthday was (she lived to be 103). She told me when I was a child, her mother used to swing weights attached to her long hair around her head and it eventually crippled her, I've also been told she was a money lender for women. I have an old photo of James and Sarah, which shows him wearing a sash which says 'Pride of Battersea'. Frank Fisher died in 1927, Mabel struck up a relationship with Thomas Penfold which resulted in a child being born. Considering she came from a travelling family, once she married she lived her whole life within a mile of Gurlings yard!
I am completely stuck on this branch of the family and am hoping someone knows something!
s
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Hi
16yr old Thomas Penfold was also living at Gurlings Yard in 1901. He was the son of Christopher & Patience.
There are also 2 other Penfold families in Gurlings Yard - Robert & Mary and James & Mary Ann. On earlier pages - Gurlings Yard is described as "caravans and barns"
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Blimey that was quick! ;D I saw the Penfold entries and guessed Thomas Penfold was my gran's Thomas.
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This is the family in 1891 in Islington Highbury transcribed as Wilton and Willson
James Wilson 45 hawker birthplace n/k
Sarah 40 birthplace n/k
James 12 b Whitechapel
Charles 6 b Brentford M'sex
Mabel 3 months b Holloway London
Angelina Anthony 9 nurse child b Notting Hill
RG12 piece 178 folio 56 page 36
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Thanks so much for that, I've been looking for weeks and getting nowhere. :)
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i hope this thread continues.have a look debs usa.our chris penfold is there and his wife patience.i wander if we might connect somehow?
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Hi Cathayb,
Have you got Thomas Penfold in 1891?
Sue
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i have never looked for him?i was always more intersted in christopher as hes one of mine.
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Ok here he is in 1891 ;D
RG12 / 431 / 125 / 47
Christopher Penfold head age 48 b Abingdon Berkshire, occ hawker
Patience wife age 45 b Brighton, occ hawker
Henry son age 19 b b Devonshire, occ hawker
Thomas dau ???age 6 b Battersea
Charlotte age 2 b Battersea
Address 2 Gurlings Yard, Battersea
Checked original and Thomas is down as daughter ???
Sue
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Hi, I've found some more information about my Wilson family since I posted this thread. I found the family on the:
1861 census in Farnham RG9 piece 515 folio 71 page 9
and the 1871 census in Willesborough in Kent RG10 piece 817 folio 67 page 24
I am interested to know about Mabel Sophie Fanny Wilson's brothers, James and Charles. She lived to be 102 and nobody can remember her ever speaking about her brothers ???
I've attached photos of James and Sarah, their parents.
I spoke to my Mother about Thomas Penfold, she was born in Battersea in the 1930's and said there were many families of Penfolds in that area, which could make it difficult!
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thomas dad christopher was born in taunton somerset in 1843.he married patience gess/guest. she was part of the wilson family in some way.cant remember for the moment.in 1861 they were in minedhead somerset on the cencus. so we may now know why christopherwas in london.he must have been visiting his wifes family.i will have alook and see what else i have got.
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Thanks for that, the gaps are starting to be filled :)
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Hi There- Maybe you are a long lost rellie of mine. My Great Great Granma (Dianah/Dinah Wilson married William Roser. They travelled around Kent & Sussex that I know of. I found them living on East Grinstead Common in Sussex in 1841 with their children to that stage of their marriage. Their son "John"who was with them must have died prior to August 1842 because he was not on the shipping list when they all arrived in Western Australia in 1842. I have tried and tried to get help with my family but so far nothing to speak off. If you could send me any Wilson info I would appreciate it. You may have allready found the links and if you haven't 2 heads are better than one- RomanyRoser
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Hi, sorry it's taken me so long to reply, blame a dose of the flu and Christmas :(
I'm not sure we have the same Wilsons but I'll give you the info I have found and you can see if any of it matches yours
1861 census Class: RG9; Piece: 515; Folio: 71; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542653, East Ashford, Brabourne, Kent:
James Wilson, 57, an earthenware dealer, born Oldham, Yorks
Jane (wife), 57, born Kirby, Yorks
John (son), 24, an earthenware dealer, born North Sunderland
Kitten (or Hilton) (daughter in law), born Surrey
William (son), 19, born Cambs.
James (son) 17, born Mansfield, Notts
Jeremiah (son), 9, born Newark, Kent
Jenny (daughter), 7, born Lincoln
William (grandson), 6, born Wye, Kent
Jane (grandaughter), 2, born Berfield, Kent
James (grandson), 3 months, born Canterbury, Kent
1871 census Class: RG10; Piece: 817; Folio: 67; Page: 24; Aldershot, Hampshire, Farnham, Frimley (address noted as "107 Lower Farnham Road, 'these people appear to be travelling from place to place, making this a kind of rendezvous!')
James (head), 65, Oldham, Yorks. Hawker
Jane (wife), 63, Kirby, Merseyside
William (son), 24, Cambridgeshire
Mary (daughter in law), 19, Lincolnshire, somewhere!!!!
Thomas (grandson), 7, Kent
Mary A (grandaughter), 1, Sussex
Hope this helps :)
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Thanks so much- Are they Romany-Roser
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Wilson/Donavan
Hi I am researching descendants of Florence Fanny Wilson born 1915 possibly at Farnham ( her Mother's maiden name Ferris ). She married at Aldershot in 1939 to Clement Sidney Donavan born in Cardiff 1909.
Last known address was Borden Barracks in 1947. If anyone knew or is related to either of these people I would love to hear from you .
Ginnybegood
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Sorry, there's not. All my Wilsons around that date were born or lived in Battersea
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My family are WILSON'S from England. My Grt Grt Grandmother was Diana(h) WILSON who married William ROSER and were Free Settlers to Western Australia. Can you give me any leads to the original WILSON family so that I will have the start and maybe find out who she belongs to- Roser
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hi jan.i am so busy but just looked in.i have been finding wilsons mentioned up in scotlandlately.i wonder if yours came from scotland in the beginning?i am hoping to be in touch with some faa soon and i will as them what they know of early scottish travellers.
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I've managed to find out a bit more about my Wilsons, but need help again please!! I still don't know James (1845) wife Sarah's maiden name, but I have managed to track down James (1804) wife's which was Jane Sowden (b 1804 Kirby Moorside, Yorks). I can find no marriage records for either couple and no parents for the wives or James the elder. I am looking for:
James Wilson (b 1804 Oldham, Yorks) parents
Jane Sowden (b 1804, Kirby Moorside, Yorks) parents
Where and when they were married (eldest son John born c1837, Sunderland so presumably sometime before that)
1841 census entry
James Wilson (b 1845 Mansfield, Notts) birth entry
1851 census
Sarah ? (born 1855, Greenwich) birth and parents
1871 and 1881 census entries for James and Sarah.
Death dates for James and Jane (1804) which I believe were in Kent
I have all the other censuses, but the records listed above I haven't been able to find despite intensive research! This board was extremely helpful last time and I would be very grateful for any info anyone has!!
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I am still searching but have a possible lead and will have to order a birth certificate which will hopefully answer my query about Florence she married in 1939 at aldershot ( see my previous post)
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There seems to be too many names and coincidences/places on this thread for me to ignore
My GG grandmother was a Sarah Wilson born about 1822 in Frensham (Farnham) to John and Sarah Wilson, John was a "Chair bottomer" from East Acton
Sarah married my GG Grandfather, Mark Parker, born Ash near Farnham in 1819, Father Mark, Mother Elizabeth, both described in Parish reocrds as Travellers.
Mark and Sarah were also travellers living in vans, they turned up in census records until 1881 on Epsom Downs, Putney Heath, Barking and eventually Frimley where according to the local paper in 1882, Sarah drunk herself to death after a binge session at The Rose & Thistle Public House.
Also, wherever i find Parkers in the census records there always seems to be a family of Penfolds travelling around with them.
I also have a Charlotte Guess or Guest from East Peckham marrying into the family
Could John Wilson be related in any way to the Wilsons from Battersea and farnham?
any help would be appreciated
Neil
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Hi Neil, I've had a look at what information I have about the Wilsons and I can't find a connection with the Parkers. As travellers it's hard to pin down an area (although my Wilsons did settle in Battersea after 1901). It could be just coincidence they were in Farnham on the 1871 where your ancestors originated. I'm still researching this line, if I come across any Parkers I'll let you know.
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Hello
I am new to the Ancestry thing, but just found this info.
I am the Grandaughter of Thomas Penfold and Jane ( nee Harvey ) Penfold
They had 2 sons, Thomas and Belcher, the latter being my Father.
Both sons were born in the caravan site in Battersea
I have traced Thomas parents, Christopher and Patience and Christophers father, John.
Also, Jane was born in Suffolk, her parents were frederick and Eliza Harvey and she had a twin brother Edward.
I am learning more as I go along.
I do remember the tales my Father told or when he was a boy, going from racecourse to racecourse with the horses. a far cry from when I was a child !
Cheers
Gaye Vogel ( nee Penfold
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I have Wilsons, I wondered if they were connected to the current Wilson funfair but cant find a connection. Anyway, I have John Wilson born 1833 in Sunderland, Tyne & Wear who married Patience and was an earthenware hawker. They were in Kent by 1855 and had 7 children that I know of. Think they were deceased by 1911, but in 1901 they were in 'caravans' on the High Brooms Road. Their youngest child Charity is my interest, she married into the Roberts gypsies. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Ps, the eldest sons middle name was Farr, which MAY have been another surname in the family.
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I have Wilsons, I wondered if they were connected to the current Wilson funfair but cant find a connection. Anyway, I have John Wilson born 1833 in Sunderland, Tyne & Wear who married Patience and was an earthenware hawker. They were in Kent by 1855 and had 7 children that I know of. Think they were deceased by 1911, but in 1901 they were in 'caravans' on the High Brooms Road. Their youngest child Charity is my interest, she married into the Roberts gypsies. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Ps, the eldest sons middle name was Farr, which MAY have been another surname in the family.
Hi, we have a match! My James Wilson was your John Wilson's brother! John died in Thanet, Kent 1908 and Patience on 21 April 1911 in Southborough, Kent. She appears on the 1911 census living by herself in a caravan next door to her daughter Jane and son George Beaney at High Broom Road Southborough, Kent.
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Hi moogester.
I have Jane Sowden baptised 1809 Kirkbymoorside, daughter of Jeremiah and Jane. Would be the sister of Esther Sowden born 1794 Holme upon Spalding moor. Esther married James Swales my e x great grandparents, all travelling people, hawkers.
Val
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Hi origins,
I have the same birth and baptism dates for Jane Sowden (1809), but a different mother. I have her mother as Mary Swales! This is according to the IGI index, but I could be wrong!
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Hi moogester,
Sorry I should have looked more closeley, Jane 1809 was d/o Jeremiah and Ann Steel.!!!!! So confusing. Maybe your Jane isn't the sister of Esther. Funnily no Jane Sowden 1804 comes up in Kirkby moorside. Sure you have the right date.
Val
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Hi Val,
Jane was born 23 Sep 1809 and baptised 1 Oct 1809 in Kirkby Moorside, it was her husband James Wilson that was born c1804 in Oldham. It must be a coincidence there were two Jane Sowdens born in the same year and same place both with Jeremiah as their father. My Jeremiah married Mary Swales 15 Oct 1808 in Kirkby Moorside, so they couldn't have been your Esther's parents. How confusing!
Kim
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Moogester, sorry I only just read the new posts...when you say we have a match did you mean with me or someone else? Ive been trying to find Johns family for ages! His daughter Charity married Billy 'Jockey' Wilson, (my great great grandads brother) they were in a vardo on the 1911 census in wales. Im now in touch with Jockey & Charity's great grandaughter.
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Hi Rebekah
I did mean you, but you've confused me now (not hard!!)
I have John Wilson born c1837 in Sunderland (my great, great grandfather's brother) who married Patience Hylton. Their daughter Charity born 1875, married William Roberts. Was your Billy 'Jockey' Wilson originally a Roberts but took Charity's surname Wilson?
Kim
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No no no, me being a dinlow!! Billy (Jockey) was a Roberts sorry!! Definately not a Wilson. (Doh...) I have his kids/grandkids etc if you need them.
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PS, I was born in Mansfield and lived there for 16 yrs!
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This lot definitely are confusing. Charity's sister Jane married Henry James Beaney who I'm told changed his name to Wilson to save confusion over hop picking wages with another Henry Beaney, so a name change would not have been out of character!
I've got their kids and the 1911 census, but I'd love their grandchildren too. Is there anything I might have you need?
BTW the photos I posted near the beginning of the thread are of John's brother James and his wife.
James eventually settled in Battersea and his family and their wives and children appear on the 1911 census living in the same street. Ironic really for a traveller, but my great gran lived in that same house until the late 60s, then moved about a mile down the road where she lived until she died in 1991. I was brought up in Battersea, but now live in Kent
Kim
Kim
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Kim
I havent looked at the other pages on this thread yet, but will do. Oh my Lord, I cant believe you have a pic of James!! Well Charity and Billy/Jockey had kids Patience, Selina, Samson, John, Henry, Charity and Absalom. Patience married George Beeney and had Charity and Esther. Henry married Lydia Emmett (gypsy) and had Lena, Abraham, Henry, William, Lydia, Ezekiel and John. Ezekiel was known as Cia. Abraham is still alive! and is known as punchy as he was a fighter. Im in touch with his daughter and granddaughters. Abraham married into the Rossiter family.
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Thanks for that Rebekah. I can expand on Patience and George's family. Along with Charity and Esther they also had: Lena, Genty, Lottie, George, Apsey, William, Marion and Patience. I'll have a scour through my tree and see what else I can come up with.
I've been in touch with a few descendants of John and Patience, one of whom didn't know the family were travellers. She thought is was great but said her mother was a bit of a snob and would have been horrified ;D
Kim
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Hi moogester,
Had a look at Kirby Moorside on IGI. I found the marriage your talking about for Jeremiah and Mary Swales. But the baptism record for Jane Souden (Sowden) says father Jeremiah and mother Ann Steel. Am wondering if you have the correct info. Has the dates you stated.
Val
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Hi Val,
Don't know what I've been looking at, but I've checked IGI again and Jane's parents are Jeremiah and Ann Steel, which you said! Which would make Esther her sister! I got there in the end :-[ Lots of corrections on my tree now I think.
Kim
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Hi Kim,
My Esther's parents were Jeremiah and Jane, so not the sister of your Jane if her mother was Ann Steel. There seem to be quite a few Jeremiahs.
Saw on this board that there is a Steel family that were travellers, wonder if Ann Steel was part of that family. Couldn't find a marriage for Jeremiah Sowden and Ann Steel. Good luck!!!!
Val
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Thanks Val :)
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More help needed please - this time for James' wife, Sarah.
I applied for what I had thought was their marriage certificate, but found it was not the right one. Now I'm stuck. I have lots of clues for Sarah, but I cannot find a marriage and therefore her maiden name :-\
Sarah (no middle name mentioned anywhere) was born according to the 1891, 1901, 1911 censuses and death register between 1851 and 1857.
She was born in Greenwich, but the 1911 census has Woolwich crossed out and replaced with Greenwich so I'm assuming this is the registration district and not the actual birth location.
The 1911 also states James and Sarah had been married for 31 years.
The Wilson family were travelling in the the South East of England (mainly London, Kent and Sussex) but I cannot locate James and Sarah's marriage.
I really have hit a brick wall with this one and would be grateful for any suggestions.
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Many gypsies just didnt marry, I have this problem with a lot of mine.
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Many gypsies just didnt marry, I have this problem with a lot of mine.
I'm begining to wonder if this was the case. None of their children have birth certificates so that's a real possibility. Oh well, I guess Sarah might have to stay a mystery!
Kim
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Just viewed 1911 census, John Wilson 1833 had died in 1908 BUT his widow Patience Wilson nee Hylton was in a caravan on High Brooms Rd, Tonbridge - just as they had been 10 years previously. Also in a caravan nearby was 60 yr old widdowed Jane Beeney and her son George.
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Hi Rebeka,
I had that information, but thanks for letting me know! Did you know Patience died at the same address 10 days after the census on April 21 1911?
James and Sarah's marriage is still a mystery, although I have found a James Wilson a hawker and widower who married a Sarah Smith nee Turner a widow whose father is recorded as an acrobat. That would fit in with the fairground connection the family have always insisted was there! If it is in fact the correct Sarah and James, I have an even bigger problem with finding their previous spouses - what a nightmare with the names Smith, Wilson and Turner!
Kim
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Hi Kim
I came across your interest in the Wilson family whilst I was looking for information on the Penfolds of Battersea (Having gone to school with Bobby Penfold and his brother in the 1940's). I thought you might be interested in the following-
My great aunt, Louisa Lucas, who was born in Stonells Place, Battersea, in 1876 married a William Simpson who I believe was born in Notting Hill. In the 1901 and 1911 census, they were living in Manley's Yard, Cabul Rd , Battersea in one of the caravans and they were both described as 'horse dealers' .
At some time they moved to Yelverton Rd, Battersea, which I believe is off York Rd, What might interest you is Louisa's will (1937)shows the executor as Brittania Wilson, wife of Charles Wilson and when William Simpson died in 1941 Brittania was again showed as the executor.
Any idea who Brittania or Charles Wilson are?
Regards, Paul
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Moogester, yes I have her death thanks. Gambier, sorry but the only Charles Wilson I have was the son of James and Sarah and he was born 1884. In fact thats your James and Sarah, Moogester. I have a photo of James, and he was born in Mansfield, same as me!
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Hi Rebekah
Thanks for the info. I will have to keep looking.
Paul
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Hello Gambier,
I can't find any reference to a Brittania Wilson in my tree. I have a Charles Wilson who was married to Kate Clark in 1905, I don't know her death date, but I can't find a second marriage for Charles to a Brittania although that doesn't rule out it being the same Charles!
Yelverton Road was the next road to Urswick Road (later known as Badric Road) and you're right they were off York Road. My maternal family lived there until the late 1960's when the houses were demolished to make way for tower blocks. I know there were an awful lot of Penfolds in Battersea. My parents were both at school in Battersea in the 1940s, can you remember anybody called Peach or Squire?
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Hi Kim
Thanks for your email. Have to keep looking to see what I can find out about Brittannia Wilson, if I have any luck I will let you know.
I actually went to Holden St School (Shaftesbury Park) off Eversleigh Rd Cannot remember anybody called Peach or Squire. Did know a boy called Johnny Squires who I think lived in Beaufoy Rd.
Don't know if there is any connection- my paternal greatgrandmother was Lucy Squire who was born in 1829 in Southwark and died on 5 Dec 1900 in the Union Infirmary. Clapham (Union Grove). Her father was Timothy Squire who was born in 1802 in Kingston upon Thames. The Squire family were well known gypsies in the Kingston area at the time although they originated from the West Teignmouth area of Devon and moved into the Kingston area in the mid 1700's. If they are connected to you, I have quite a lot of information which I'll be happy to share.
Paul
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Hi Gambier
I noticed your reply about the Squire family in the post about James Wilson purely by typing in the words Timothy Squire on Google ! I think that we must be related in some way because my 4 x great-grandmother was Mary Squire, born 1764 at Kingston upon Thames, Surrey and the daughter of Timothy Squire, born 1720's and died Kingston in 1779. He married Mary Wells in 1752 at West Molesey, Surrey and had several children, one of whom, James, was transported to Australia with the First Fleet in 1788 and became Australia's first commercial brewer.
I did not know that the Squire family originated from the West country, but in Kingston the first entry I have found was the burial of a Timothy Squire in 1750 (Timothy's father?), with several other entries including the burial of Mary Squire, Timothy's first wife, in 1751. It may well be that Timothy's first marriage was a Fleet marriage, as an entry for Timothy Squire marrying a lady named Mary was found in the Fleet registers for 1747.
Any info you would be willing to share about the Squire family would be gratefully received.
Regards
Colin123
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Hi there I am just wondering if someone out there has a Martha Wilson born approx 1806 who married a William Stewart (steward) in Yarm in 1824. Would be really interested to find out about her but can't find any parents and don't even know where she was born. I have only found her in the 1881 census living at hetton le hole and dying at Easington Lane Durham. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Moogester, my great great granny was a Romany gypsy from the Clark family. We dont hear much about that surname associated with gypsies, but she was from Sussex.
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Dear Gambier;
I was interested to note your connection to Timothy Squire. I am a descendant of Timothy Squire and Mary Wells through their son James Squire (transported to Australia in 1785 on the Charlotte).
I would appreciate any information that you could provide me of the Squires pre 1785.
Sincerely, Karen
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Hi,
I descend from James Squire, first feet arrival in Aust. 1788, his daughter Sarah (Lucas), then Martha Lucas (Goodin), John Andrew Goodin, Mary Emily Goodin (Egan), Kathleen Clare Egan (Donohoe) then me (two more generations after me).
The family myths claim James Squire as a Gypsy as you have discussed.
I have just published "Captain Bligh's Petticoat Mutiny" (on Kindle DP) about the overthrow of William Bligh ("Bounty" Bligh) by the NSW Corps on 26.01.1808. It was James Squire who started the ball rolling against Bligh and he is the focus of my book together with the identity and backgound on hundreds of other people subjected to Bligh's extensive abuses here. James Squire was among the first to challenge Bligh! I am also writing the history of James Squire's families in Australia since 1788 and even earlier. This work indexes in family order his known descendants. I expect that there are 20,000 descendants but only located 4,000 so far. Keen to learn more about this fascinating character. James Hugh Donohoe
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Hi Val,
Jane was born 23 Sep 1809 and baptised 1 Oct 1809 in Kirkby Moorside, it was her husband James Wilson that was born c1804 in Oldham. It must be a coincidence there were two Jane Sowdens born in the same year and same place both with Jeremiah as their father. My Jeremiah married Mary Swales 15 Oct 1808 in Kirkby Moorside, so they couldn't have been your Esther's parents. How confusing!
Kim
Dear Val and Kim
I am wondering whether you have got a birth record or anything else of the Jeremiah Sowden you identify as marrying Mary Swales in 1808 Kirbymoorside.
At first I thought he remarried to Mary after death of his first wife Jane but now am doubting that as we have found birth and death records of Jeremiah 1755 - 1835 and Jane 1752 - 1835. They both died in Kirbymoorside in the same year so he couldn't have remarried unless we've got the wrong dead couple or he was a bigamist.
So I have to assume there is a son Jeremiah born sometime around 1780-90 who goes on to marry Mary Swales. But I can't find any record of this mysterious son except in the marriage in 1809 which does not indicate his age. If correct this Jeremiah would have been the brother of Esther Sowden (Swales).
As for the Jane Souden confusion. I have worked it out like this BUT am willing to be pointed out wrong!
John Sowden (born about 1730)
his children:
1. unnamed boy Sawdon on 5th Feb 1758 Bridlington - your man!
2. Jeremiah 1755 - 1835 (dates recorded on death record) and goes on to marry Jane (Swailes) - they have a son, the missing Jeremiah in about 1780 who marries Mary Swales. They also have Esther.
Your man - unnamed Sawdon boy goes on to have (big guess here)
1. Jeremiah in about 1779 who marries Anne Steel (1789 - 1871) no marriage record.
Jeremiah Sowden and Anne Steel go on to have
1. Jeremiah Sowden about 1810 who marries Ann Argreement recorded 1830 in Whitby
2. Jane Souden (Sowden) 23 Sep 1809 in Kirbymoorside who marries James Wilson...
By my reckoning Jane Souden (Wilson) is a cousin to Esther and neice to Jeremiah Sowden (1755 - 1835) and Jane (Swailes 1752 - 1835)
The other confusion - Jeremaih and Mary Swales:
So mystery Jeremiah born about 1780 marries Mary Swales in Kirbymoorside in 1808 as recorded. They go on to have a Jeremiah (b 1815 in Whitby) plus other children. Jeremiah 1815 Whitby goes on to marry Mary Ann Gibbins in 1855 (York) when he is 40 and she 30 and they have one child only - Mary Ann in 1862.
This is a late marriage and so I assume Jeremiah's first wife dies but cant find any prior marriage or previous children which would probably be around 1833 (when he was 18). Of course this earlier marriage could be to Ann Argreement who I have married above to another Jeremiah b around 1810 and I can't remember the reason I dismissed this - probably dates not matching or something. But looking at it now - it would work. She is recorded as being 20 at marriage in 1830 so born in 1809. 2 death records of Ann Sowden her married name - 1847 and 1845 in Brid.
Phew! Hope this is clear! Got a feeling it isn't.
I sat with bits of paper and worked it out like a jigsaw. BUT not sure - logic does not always apply in these cases and especially with missing records.
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Sorry Val - I know you have the same info as me! Question directed at Kim but other info for both.
Amanda
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Hi Amanda, I'd forgotten all about this thread! I haven't worked on this branch of my tree for ages, so it's going to take me time to re familiarise myself with it. I do recall it was an absolute nightmare to find some records though. I'd stick with the information you've researched, when I get a chance I'll have a look and try to work out how I came to the conclusions I did! Good luck!
Kim
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Dear Kim
Take my schema as a guide only. Most was guesswork and with throwing in the odd person with no birth records existing but guessing that they must have existed! Am always open to new interpretations. ;)
Amanda
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lol Amanda, very much like my method of research for this branch of the family!! Kim
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Dear moogester (Kim),
I am a direct descendant of James Wilson (who is being discussed in this thread). Please make contact with me. I believe we have a lot to verify and discuss. You can reach me through my website: paulanthonywilson.com
Kind Regards,
Paul
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My grandfather Charles Wilson(hawker)who was married to Kate Clark 1905 lived in Gurlings yard Battersea on 1911 census.On 1911 census living 8 Urswick road Battersea with Kate my grandmother and daughters Constance age 4 and Rosie 2.
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Hello Gambier,
I can't find any reference to a Brittania Wilson in my tree. I have a Charles Wilson who was married to Kate Clark in 1905, I don't know her death date, but I can't find a second marriage for Charles to a Brittania although that doesn't rule out it being the same Charles!
Yelverton Road was the next road to Urswick Road (later known as Badric Road) and you're right they were off York Road. My maternal family lived there until the late 1960's when the houses were demolished to make way for tower blocks. I know there were an awful lot of Penfolds in Battersea. My parents were both at school in Battersea in the 1940s, can you remember anybody called Peach or Squire?
hi moogester My grandmother was Kate Clark
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Hello Gambier,
I can't find any reference to a Brittania Wilson in my tree. I have a Charles Wilson who was married to Kate Clark in 1905, I don't know her death date, but I can't find a second marriage for Charles to a Brittania although that doesn't rule out it being the same Charles!
Yelverton Road was the next road to Urswick Road (later known as Badric Road) and you're right they were off York Road. My maternal family lived there until the late 1960's when the houses were demolished to make way for tower blocks. I know there were an awful lot of Penfolds in Battersea. My parents were both at school in Battersea in the 1940s, can you remember anybody called Peach or Squire?
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Hi, My Grandmother was Kate Clark from Gurlings yard.
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Symes if you ever do dna I’d be interested to see if we re a match, my great great granny was Mary Ann clark born 1864, Sussex.
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Hi Rebekahm28, I have done a DNA with ancestry.I haven’t looked back that far but possibility that we are a match.
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Symes33, possibly as the families intermarried , you can upload your dna to Ftdna and my heritage at no extra cost.