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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: goof on Friday 07 November 08 15:48 GMT (UK)
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My maternal great-grandmother Mary Ann Cassells was married in 1872 in St.Michael's Church, Limerick and I have a copy of the marriage certificate to David Seaman, an English soldier stationed at New Barracks, Limerick. Mary lived in Mallow Street at the time of her wedding. Her father was John Cassells. However the church archivist says there is no record of her birth/christening. Where do I now start in trying to find her birth? The England census of 1881 states she was born in Limerick in 1855.
Geoff.Charge
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It's quite possible that her baptism took place in another church either in that area or father away. As civil registration of births began 1864 there will be no birth certificate for her.
What is listed on the marriage certificate as her father's occupation?- if he had a military connection the family could have moved around quite a bit.
Will have this thread moved out of Irish Resources and to Limerick board.
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Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately her marriage certificate does not state her father's
occupation. I will try looking elsewhere for her baptism.
Geoff.Charge
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I had a look on www.irish-roots.net - and theres no Baptism records for a Mary Cassells in Co. Limerick around 1855, these are the results for the rest of the country (includes soundex matches):
Cassels Mary 1853 Co. Leitrim
Cassills Mary 1853 Co. Cavan
Castles Mary 1854 Co. Meath
Castles Mary 1854 Co. Meath
Castles Mary 1854 Co. Meath
Cassells Mary 1855 Co. Armagh
Cassells Mary 1855 Co. Armagh
Cassells Mary 1856 Co. Westmeath
Cassells Mary Anne 1859 Co. Leitrim
(the site contains parish transcripts, the index search is free, to view a records costs €5)
Shane
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Thanks Shane, I have looked at the 1855 birth in Armagh. It could be her, see my post on the Armagh board.
Geoff.
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Here's a link to the new post on Mary Ann:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,341437.msg2204031.html#msg2204031
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Hello to all
I am currently researching the Seaman Family in Essex on behalf of my partner Karl Seaman. I believe that he may be a direct descendant of Elisha Seaman who would have been his 3 x Great Grandfather. David Seaman and Mary Cassells from Limerick would therefore have been his 2 x great grandparents.
My partner's great grandfather was William George Seaman, born 20 March 1890 in St Osyth, Tendring, Essex and I think he was possibly the son of Mary Cassells and David Seaman.
William George Seaman married Lydia Ruth Woodward in 1915 and their son Francis William Seaman (1918 - 1970) was my partners Grandfather. Francis William Seaman married Ivy Beecham in 1938 in Billericay, Essex and they had 2 children - William John Seaman ( 1938 - 1986) who was my partner's father, and Doreen Sylvia Seaman ( Married name LEE).
If anyone can corroborate this information for me as correct, I would be most grateful.
I would also be very interested in any information other members have on Elisha Seaman and his family, David Seaman and Mary Cassels and her family.
I would be happy to share my research on the Seaman Family with other descendants and to assist others. I have been an amateur genealogist for over 30 years and I currently live in Brentwood Essex, so I can supply local history information about the various places, villages and areas in Essex that the Seaman family lived in.
Chrissy Hamlin
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Hullo Chrissy - I have much information on the Seaman family including Elisha. Mary Cassells was my great grandmother, her mother was Catherine McCorry born 1837 from Analoist in County Armagh.
I can confirm William being born in St.Osyth in 1890.
Not sure how to let you have it all the paperwork. I live in Burnham-on-Crouch, how is it best to contact each other outside of this website?
Regards from
Geoff.Charge
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When Chrissy has made another post you should be able to Private Message each other and exchange email address'.
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Hi Geoff
Thank you so much for your reply. There should be a direct email link for me on my profile here. If you click on the mail symbol next to my username, you should be able to contact me with no issues.
I only joined up here today because a Google Search bought up this post when I was randomly searching for Cassells / Seaman information after discovering some new hints on Ancestry.com.
My partner Karl and I would love to see what you have found out about David Seaman and his family. It has been very difficult for my partner to know anything about his family history on the Seaman side as both his mother & father passed away when he was young & there are no older living relatives on his father's side.
As a matter of co-incidence, Karl's older brother Gary also married an Irish woman named Mary & they have a son, Callum. They visit Ireland quite regularly so I am sure they will be fascinated by the new Irish connection we have just uncovered.
Thank you again for responding.
Chrissy Hamlin / Karl Seaman
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Tried sending some attachments but they are too big.
If you reply to my email I will send them by conventional email and not from within this website.
Geoff.
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Hello Geoff
If you could message directly here with your email address I will contact you direct - then we can swap info on the Seaman / Cassells family history.
I have just found out today some very interesting info on David Seaman's younger brother Enoch and his only daughter Annie Seaman. Enoch - like his father Elisha Seaman - was a local preacher and part of the Primitive Methodist Movement - and I have discovered an article online by a lady called Norma Virgoe which outlines a Methodist investigation into the alleged rape of Enoch's 15 year old daughter Annie by the Reverend William Franks, who was well known on the Methodist circuit in Norfolk in the late 1880's.
Details can be found here: http://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/page/william_franks - scroll down to the bottom of page to the downloadable PDF document ro read Norma's article.
If you are aware of this info already then I apologize for repeating what you already know - but if not you may find it very interesting - and scandalous reading. Personally I am on Annie and Enoch's side on this one - and I believe poor Annie suffered a huge miscarriage of Justice.
I cannot wait to see what new you info you have for me.
Kind Regards
Chrissy Hamlin
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Chrissy - I have sent you a PM with my email address as I don't want it shown on public boards.
Geoff.
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In case this is of any interest to anyone. I have an ancestor, Thomas Boyle, b 1821 who married a Margaret Casslin, 22 Sept 1856 at Annaduff Leitrim,.
At Mohill, Ardagh, Leitrim, on 21st July 1863: Bapt. of Thomas Boyle, Parents. Thomas Boyle and Margaret Cassills. sponsors. James Cassells and Catherine Boyle.
While trying to find her ancestors I came across so many different spellings of this name, or similar names, in the Irish Catholic Registers. but never found a likely parent for her..
The names I did find were: Cassills, Cassells Casells, Castles, Castels and Caslin.