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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: AlexWood on Saturday 08 November 08 21:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi I'm new to this and have hit my first problem... :)
I can find this couple in the 1841 census for Gamrie with their children William (8 ), Margaret (4), George (6) and James (2).
By the 1851 census the parents have disappeared and all the children appear to be in service with different families.
I would expect this to reflect the parent's deaths and the kids being farmed out.
However...by 1851 there's a George and Barbara Wood in Gamrie at a location that features later in my one's (James) life. They are about the right age and George is also an agricultural labourer. But they have a different set of children that I can't find in the 1841 census. There's no other likely candidate in the 1841 census that I can find either.
Any advice on how to tackle this or a solution that wraps it all up would be most welcome.
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Hi Alex
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Looking at IGI, there are at least two couples called George Wood and Barbara.
There is the George Wood and Barbara Killock in Gamrie:
1. ISABEL WOOD Birth: 15 SEP 1828
2. MARY WOOD Birth: 08 AUG 1830
3. WILLIAM WOOD Birth: 23 JUL 1832
4. GEORGE WOOD - Birth: 14 NOV 1834
5. JAMES WOOD Birth: 22 AUG 1838
6. BARBARA WOOD Birth: 19 MAR 1842
There is also George Wood and a Barbara Rankin over in King Edward, Aberdeen having children at the same time:
1. ISABELLA WOOD Birth: 02 APR 1835
2. MARY WOOD Birth: 28 OCT 1836
3. HELEN WOOD Birth: 26 OCT 1838
4. MARGARET WOOD Birth: 02 FEB 1841
5. JAMES WOOD Birth: 26 JAN 1844
6. GEORGE WOOD Birth: 11 NOV 1845
From what you said, is your family that with mother Barbara Killoch?
Monica :)
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This looks to be the family from King Edward in 1841, with a number of farm servants in the household:
George Wood,35, Farmer, b. Outside Census County
Barbara Wood, 25, b. Outside Census County
Mary Wood, 4, b. Aberdeenshire
Hellen Wood, 2, b. Aberdeenshire
Margaret Wood, 5months, b. Unknown
Address: Morlass, King Edward
Monica
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Alex
Just had a look at that 1851 family. With the children showing for George and Barbara (Killoch), that entry would fit:
George Wood, 54
Barbara, 49
Eisabella, 22, Emp At Home - (Birth: 15 SEP 1828 )
Mary , 20, In Bad Health - (08 AUG 1830 )
Barbara, 9 - (19 MAR 1842)
John, 5
(Infant)Grnson, 3 months
Address: Draidland, Gamrie
It's not unusual to find the older children, including James at his young age of nearly 13, away from the family home working.
Monica
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The family that you already have an entry for 1841:
George Wood, 45, Ag Labourer
Barbra Wood, 40
William Wood, 8
George Wood, 6
Margaret Wood, 4
James Wood, 2
Address: Cushnie, Gamrie
There is a young Mary Wood maybe staying at her Uncle's (?) also in 1841, showing as same address as her parents:
James Killoch 40, farmer
Elisabeth Killoch 40
Mary Killoch 9
James Killoch 6
Elizabeth Killoch 4
William Killoch 2
Ann Murray 15
Mary Wood 10 , female servant
Address: Cushnie, Gamrie
Monica
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George and Barbara made it past the start of official registration in 1855 which will let you search for their death certs. and confirm their parents' details :) This looks like them in 1861, everyone showing as born in Gamrie:
George Wood 65, Farmer Of 12 Acres
Barbara Wood 60
George Wood 26, Railway
Isabella Wood 32
George Rhind 10, grandson
Margaret Roger 6, granddaughter
Isabella Ross 2, granddaughter
Address: Draidland, Gamrie
Possible birth entry for George Wood Snr.
GEORGE WOOD Birth:07 JUN 1796/Christening:16 JUN 1796 Gamrie, Banff, Scotland
Parents:WM. WOOD and MARGT. WOOD
Monica
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Thanks Monica, this is a great help. Yes my family are George Wood & Barbara Killoch. Also Killah in one source but Killoch seems the commonest spelling.
The Mary staying with the Killochs is a good candidate for George & Barbara's daughter because I've found a baptism record for a daughter of theirs called Mary born in 1830. I was keeping her for later investigation so that's another job you've saved me. :)
Margaret doesn't appear as their daughter from the birth records so I'm guessing a niece but will look into that later.
Thanks very much for your help.
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Hi Alex
The Margaret who shows in 1841 could well fit for daughter. There is an appropriate gap for her in 1838 in the list of children. Not sure if her birth/christening would show on SP, it doesn't show on IGI where I got the list of children that I posted. Sometimes happens that you have gaps in the lists of children (registers for that year lost over the years for example).
Hopefully you will be able to trace through :)
Monica
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In 1851, there is a Margaret Wood, 14, working as a domestic servant in Gamrie (b. Gamrie). There is also a birth (illegitimate it would seem) of a Barbara Taylor or Wood in Gamrie in 1857, to a James Taylor and Margaret Wood. The went on to marry on 18 DEC 1858 Gamrie. Given her age and birth place in the 1861 census in Longmanhill, Gamrie, this looks like the same Margaret.
This marriage will let you verify whether she is family when you move on to the extended family of James :)
Monica
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Hi Alex
I am also researching this same family. My Wood family originated in Gamrie. They were farmers.
I have traced mine back to John Wood and Anne or Jane Ingram - they had a son William Wood in 1794 who married Christian Watt in New Deer. I am keen to compare notes with you to see if we can help each other
Carol
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Hi,I'm also researching Woods of Gamrie. However they are a different line to yours. I've traced back to John Wood & Ann Morison who married in Gamrie on December 28th 1805.They had a lot of descendants. If anyone has a query regarding them I'd be delighted to assist!
flst
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I have pondered for a long time whether Jphn Wood, of John Wood and Ann Morison was married twice. The first time to Anne Ingram. I think I have decided that John Wood and Anne Ingram was a different John. He is the right age but all his children were born at Minnonie and all John Wood and Anne Morison's were born in or near Covie (about 5 miles away).
My William Wood's death cert (1868) has his parents as John Wood and Jane Ingram. I wondered if the "Jane' was a mistake as the only marriage is between John Wood and Anne Ingram.
My William Wood moved to New Deer and, interestingly, John Wood and Ann Morison's son William also moved to New Deer and became a chemist.
I would be pleased to hear from you
Carol
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I have some information on John Wood but it was sent to me by someone who's interested in the Ingrams.I have not checked out the information but it could assist others who are interested in this couple.
John Wood in Minnony born c1760 (parents John Wood & Ann Reid?) married Anne Ingram born c1765.Family:Anne born 19 01 1788,christened 22nd.Witnesses John & Alex Ingram in Whitehill, Elizabeth born 22 07 1789, James born 20 10 1791, Alexander born 11 06 1793,witnesses to christening Alex.Ingram,Whitehill, & Alex Sangster, Minnony. William born 02 12 1794,witnesses Alex. Sangster,John Ingram,Minnony. John born 27 05 1798,Isobel born 16 04 1802.All children were born in Minnony,Gamrie.
flst
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Just checked out William Wood from Protstown,Gamrie.He married Helen Strachan.His death certificate shows his parents as John Wood & Isabella Rankin. My informant had him down as a son of John & Ann (Ingram).
flst
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Alex, I have the names of the witnesses to the 6 christenings of George & Barbara's children. If you do n't already have this info,let me know!
flst
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Sorry I'm a bit late to this...real life ::)
Anyway, I'd be very interested in anything you've got on George and Barbara's children.
I've got Rankins, Reids and Morisons at various points in my tree but nothing that jumps out and hits me as linking up directly with what's here, It is possible there's a link hiding in there somewhere...
Barbara Killah born 25th May 1800 to William Killah and Isobel Rankin. Siblings James 11th Feb 1798, William c.1802 and Mary c.1805
Isobel Rankin above born 11th March 1771 to William Rankin and Jean Morison
William Rankin above born 1748 to William Rankin and Anne Reid. Siblings (I've not checked any of these out!) Isabel 1760, Agnes 1745, James 1746, George 1755, John 1750, Alexander 3rd December 1762, Anne 1752 and Elizabeth 1755.
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Here's more info on the children of George & Barbara (nee Killoch);
Isobel born 15 Sep 1828,Middletown baptism witnesses Jas.Killoch & John Wood.
Mary born 08 Aug 1830,Loanhead/Troup, wit. John Killoch & John Wood
William born 23 Jul 1832 Middletown, wit.John Wood & William Killoch
George born 14 Nov 1834,Middletown,wit.Wm.Killoch,& Alex.Wood,Middletown
James born 22 Aug 1838,Middletown,wit.Rev.Thomas Wilson & James Rankin
Barbara Wood born 19 Mar 1842,Cushnie wit.Wm.Killoch & John Henderson
All places are in the parish of Gamrie.
Hope you recognise the names of the witnesses!
flst
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Hi Alex
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Looking at IGI, there are at least two couples called George Wood and Barbara.
There is the George Wood and Barbara Killock in Gamrie:
1. ISABEL WOOD Birth: 15 SEP 1828
2. MARY WOOD Birth: 08 AUG 1830
3. WILLIAM WOOD Birth: 23 JUL 1832
4. GEORGE WOOD - Birth: 14 NOV 1834
5. JAMES WOOD Birth: 22 AUG 1838
6. BARBARA WOOD Birth: 19 MAR 1842
There is also George Wood and a Barbara Rankin over in King Edward, Aberdeen having children at the same time:
1. ISABELLA WOOD Birth: 02 APR 1835
2. MARY WOOD Birth: 28 OCT 1836
3. HELEN WOOD Birth: 26 OCT 1838
4. MARGARET WOOD Birth: 02 FEB 1841
5. JAMES WOOD Birth: 26 JAN 1844
6. GEORGE WOOD Birth: 11 NOV 1845
From what you said, is your family that with mother Barbara Killoch?
Monica :)
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I have pondered for a long time whether Jphn Wood, of John Wood and Ann Morison was married twice. The first time to Anne Ingram. I think I have decided that John Wood and Anne Ingram was a different John. He is the right age but all his children were born at Minnonie and all John Wood and Anne Morison's were born in or near Covie (about 5 miles away).
My William Wood's death cert (1868) has his parents as John Wood and Jane Ingram. I wondered if the "Jane' was a mistake as the only marriage is between John Wood and Anne Ingram.
My William Wood moved to New Deer and, interestingly, John Wood and Ann Morison's son William also moved to New Deer and became a chemist.
I would be pleased to hear from you
Carol
Hi I'm new to this and have hit my first problem... :)
I can find this couple in the 1841 census for Gamrie with their children William (8 ), Margaret (4), George (6) and James (2).
By the 1851 census the parents have disappeared and all the children appear to be in service with different families.
I would expect this to reflect the parent's deaths and the kids being farmed out.
However...by 1851 there's a George and Barbara Wood in Gamrie at a location that features later in my one's (James) life. They are about the right age and George is also an agricultural labourer. But they have a different set of children that I can't find in the 1841 census. There's no other likely candidate in the 1841 census that I can find either.
Any advice on how to tackle this or a solution that wraps it all up would be most welcome.
The family that you already have an entry for 1841:
George Wood, 45, Ag Labourer
Barbra Wood, 40
William Wood, 8
George Wood, 6
Margaret Wood, 4
James Wood, 2
Address: Cushnie, Gamrie
There is a young Mary Wood maybe staying at her Uncle's (?) also in 1841, showing as same address as her parents:
James Killoch 40, farmer
Elisabeth Killoch 40
Mary Killoch 9
James Killoch 6
Elizabeth Killoch 4
William Killoch 2
Ann Murray 15
Mary Wood 10 , female servant
Address: Cushnie, Gamrie
Monica
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This is my family that I am researching. I am trying to locate as much information as possible on a George Wood that was born March 29, 1650 inCullen, Banffshire, Scotland and who was married to Marjorie Ogilvy. Any help
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I have George Wood b 1865 married to Marjory Ogilvie. They have a son John Wood b 1724. He married Margaret Ord. My family are John Wood b 1752 and Anne Ingram b 1763.
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The family I have is George Wood born 1685 married Marjorie Ogilvy born 1688, son John born 1724 married Margared rd born 1736. John and Margaret had 7 children: margaret, ann, john, james, christian, william and George. The family was born in banffshire, scotland.
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Yes I have them too
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What part of the UK do you live? I am fron Canada.
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I was born in Aberdeen, lived most of my life in Stirling and have now retired to Borneo, Malaysia.
My maternal grandmother was Isabella Margaret Wood (1892-1962)
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I have found something about Christian Rankin. Her parents were Thomas Rankin - 1790 and Christina MIlne - 1790, but don't know if she had any siblings. Also looking into a James Wood born October 3, 1764. It says he had an illigitimate son Alexander born 1816, and it also said that James married a fraser and that was Alexanders mom. Does anyone know if James was married before?
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Hi Carol McI,
Posted by: Carol McI Posted on: Sunday 18 September 11 01:52 BST (UK)
"I have George Wood b 1865 married to Marjory Ogilvie. They have a son John Wood b 1724. He married Margaret Ord. My family are John Wood b 1752 and Anne Ingram b 1763."
Having done more research on my Wood ancestors I now believe that "my" William Wood's father John was the son of John Wood & Margaret Ord.Here's the info from the OPR.
1761. John lawful son to John Wood & Margaret Ord in Seatown of Crivie, was born April 3rd & baptised April 5th in presence of the Congregation.
John appears in the 1841 census at Stonehouse, Gamrie. His age is spot on.!
Are you saying that "your " John Wood born c1752 is also their son?
Regards,
flst
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Just an earlier Ord for you:
Here lies interred the ashes of Margaret Roger, spouse to John Ord at Shoar of Crivie, who died Janry the 15th 1754; as also the ashes of Margaret Watt, spouse to John Ord, sometime at Mill of Melross, who died Janry the 7th 1707. This is erected to their memory by Alexr and John Ords, their lawful sons and grandsons.
Graham.
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Hi fist
I am not saying that my John Wood born c 1752 is their son. I was just saying that I have Woods from Banffshire. I have not found the parents of my John Wood. Sorry to have confused you.
Carol
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Hi, Carol. Don't apologise! The Wood families have been driving me round the bend for years. I viewed your public family tree (on ancestry) & noticed your John Wood's d.o.b as 21/06/1752.The John Wood who appears in the Gamrie OPR's under that date is indeed the son of John Wood & Ann Reid (as you state). I do not think that this John Wood is the same one who married Anne Ingram. John & Anne Wood lived in Protstown. On their headstone it states "John Wood, their only surviving son, farmer in Protstownhill inserted the names of two beloved children of his who died victims to the small pox in the year 1810..Anne aged 22...John aged 11years." This John was married to Isobel Rankin & had children between 1783- 1799.
Your William Wood was born in Minnonie. There was a Wood family there. George Wood & Lilias Forbes.Their headstone was erected by "their surviving children, John, William & Alexander".Have you come across any mention of William's siblings in your research?
Hope this information helps!
Regards,
flst
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You may be receiving this again but I cannot find the reply I think I sent.
I am delighted that you are finding mistakes in my Woods. I think we might have several families in common. My great grandfather was William Wood of Crowniehillock, Auchnagatt. I have my grandmother's photo album and have been trying to identify the people. The houses should be in that area. I posted the houses in hope that someone might recognise them, the photos were taked about 1927. I have a possible for the small cottage. Burnside, Rora, Longside. This was the last home of Alexander Noble and Susan Leslie King - the only evidence I have is that they are about the right age and were close to my family.
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Hi,
I'm currently working on a couple called William and Janet Henderson (nee Taylor). Janet lived until 1864 and from her death certificate I have her parents as John Taylor and Isabella Wood - Janet was born 1779 in Gamrie. I have the OPRs for William and Janet's children and for those born between 1803 and 1810 the witnesses are John Wood in Minnony and Alexander Wood in Cushnie. I'm wondering if these men might be Janet's uncles?
I also have a John Ingram age 69 living with William and Janet Henderson in 1851 at Easterbo, King Edward -like Janet he too is born Gamrie. John is listed as a pauper hardware pedlar. I have no idea if he is related in some way or just a lodger.
In addition, Alexander Henderson (William and Janet's son) was working at Draidland in 1841 while wife (Mary Neish) is just over the parish boundary living Netherbrae, King Edward.
I know this is not related to George and Barbara but thought perhaps someone has come across Isabella Wood and her (possible?) brothers John and Alexander.
Jen
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The John Wood in Minnonie married an Anne Ingram in 1786. At least 7 children were born to them up until 1802. Don't know if this helps you or not!
flst
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Thank you for the date of marriage.
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Many thanks for the information. I see from FamilySearch the Woods/Forbes marriage also produced an 'Isbel' born 1759. So looks likely John and Alexander were Janet's uncles. Elspit Wood and John Ingram had a son John in 1782 if that's Isabella sister than that makes the 'lodger' Janet's cousin! I was well pleased to find out who Janet's parents were this extra information helps brings things together. It's amazing how more often than not servants and lodgers seem to have some link to the families they are living with....
Thanks again.
Jen