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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Emu on Sunday 09 November 08 01:39 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for info re my gr grandparents - Arthur Thomas Bradley born QLD 1881 - parents George Charles Bradley & Winnifred Hannah Evans. Arthur married Agnes McGowan- possible birth for Agnes 1872 QLD - parents William McGowan and Margaret Loan. Arthur & Agnes were married in QLD in 1902. I have found possible death for Arthur Bradley in1926 - none for Agnes. My Gran Mona Bradley born 1906 in NSW married Arthur Edward Egan 1926 in NSW. Mona & Arthur buried Inverell NSW. Mona's siblings were, Neata, Edgar, Winnifred & Arthur. I have not send for marriage cert of Arthur & Mona as yet. Have also found BDM record for a George Charles Bradley & Winnifred Hannah Evans in QLD 1877 & death of a George Charles Bradley with parents John Bradley & Elizabeth Nash born in England. Looking for anyone who has this family in their tree or any advice ........thanks Emu 8)
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Did anyone end up at molong. I know a bradley from molong.
Caroline
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Did anyone end up at molong. I know a bradley from molong.
Caroline
I am not sure about Molong....where is this place? I have since located the Bradley/McGowan family and they are from Charleville, Roma, Thallon QLD . I am hoping to find 'living' relos in these towns as well., however these towns have been hit very hard with recent floods. My gr gr Grandfather George Bradley was born Birmingham England and is at buried at Roma. Thanks for your reply.....
Cheers! Emu
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It is near Bathurst, Orange NSW. Central west. Probably not related I imagine. There are about 20 references if you type Bradley as name and Molong as area into the bdm website.
Cheers,
Caroline
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Thanks again Caroline....the place Molong now sounds familiar, but they are possibly no relation to my Bradley family. By the way the William McGowan and Margaret Loan is actually in correct in my posting, as it was James McGowan and Eliza Wetherall. I hope that there's some relos in Charleville and Roma who are related to us. Some of the Bradley ladies married a McKnight and a Churchhill, so possibly some descendants are around the above named areas. it would be also great to find relos from England who are our Bradleys.
Cheers!
Lesley
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Hi my name is tanya i am researching family history for my sister in law Amy Nita McGowan and came across two names i am looking for in your posting I but don't know if they are the same people I have a James McGowan and Eliza McGowan who was a aboriginal from Mungindi they had several children in the district and Roma is around this area one of their children was Thomas Andrew McGowan born 21st June 1914 this man is my sister-in-laws Grandfather and it is documented in police note books from the late 1800 to early 1900 that James McGowan was a white man and Eliza was an aboriginal and that their children were half aboriginal. Thomas Andrew McGowan married a Elsie May Chape and they had 5 children one of which is my sister-in-laws father Stanley Thomas McGowan now deceased born on the 12-09-1951 his mother Elsie died when he was eight and the government took the five children from their father (Stolen Generation) because he was and aboriginal and placed them in institutes and I have not found any more information on James McGowan and Eliza McGowan and if these are the same people and if you have any information on them it would be great to know what you have and how you found out Eliza maiden name Wetherall other children that James and Eliza had that I know of are Margaret McGowan died 23/08/1924 at Dareel, Ronnie McGowan and unknown female who married a George Knox, hope to hear from you.
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Hello Tanya!
I have recently been sent documents with a few McGowan family names from a lady at Goondiwindi. I think I have the name Tommie/Tommy McGowan in the documents - could be your Thomas Andrew McGowan? I read that Eliza was Aboriginal but I didn't know the story of the stolen generation. The maiden name Wetherall, I found on BDM indexes and was not certain until the contact from Gundy sent what she had. and confirmed the name Wetherall. I will have to read the docs again and see what else is there. You have caught me at a rather busy time as have had A LOT of other family lines comes thru this week and trying to get my head around it all.So your sister in-law Amy is connect to my ancestors! My grandma Mona (My Dad's Mum) was a Bradley & married Arthur Egan and they lived at Thallon (and other nearby places) and my Gr Gran Agnes McGowan (Mona's Mum) married Arthur Thomas Bradley. You can email me direct at: (*) and then I can get back to you tomorrow (Friday) Looking forward to hearing from you - I must have struck it lucky with ancestors lately!
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Tanya, I am back again - just had a free moment. You may already have some of this info.....James McGowan was born 1854 in Singleton He was Labourer and boundary rider. He married Eliza Weatherall in Bullamon QLD. He died 12 Sept 1922 in Mungindi NSW. Eliza died 11 Aug 1925 in Mungindi. The children were Herbert, George, Agnes (my Gr Gran) Ellen, James, Maggie, Danny, Eliza (married George Knox) John, Tommy and Rhonda (married Robert Fing) The Tommy mentioned here was born 1901 according to what I have in my docs. from Goondiwindi.
One of the Bradley's also married a Knox - well she had child to him, so i found out - not sure about the marriage as yet. I have found a fair bit on the Bradley side. According to what I have here, it states parents of James were Father: James McGowan and Mother: Ellen Crampton. There's a few other McGowan's listed here as well of the above named McGowans's. I don't know where James McGowan father also named James came from - that's what I am to find out. Do you named any rellies around in Roma of the McGowan side. I am in contact with family from Roma (they are not McGowan's tho) and they may know more on this side
I will be back tomorrow and read my docs again properly in case I missed something
Cheers! Lesley P.S I am from Caloundra Sunshine Coast
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Hi Lesley looks like these are the same McGowan's in police notes they refer to a Margaret McGowan as Maggie and a Ronnie who I would say is Rhonda as living on a farm with the Fing's this site might be of some interest to you just google mungindi police letterbook 1924-1939 i seen information on a Winifred Mary Bradley who gave birth to a Ruth Harriet Bradley on there too, under Roma police letterbooks. Amy does not know many rello's she only knows her fathers sister's and brother as they all reunited before Amy's father passed away and they do not know there family history either as they were all young when they were taken from their father it would be great if we could get copies of the doc's you mention you received from a lady in goondiwindi or details on how to obtain these as it sounds like there is quite a fair bit in them about the McGowan's also you mention someone might know more about the McGowan's from Roma if you could find out that would be great or mention the names to them, we did not know any of the details you mention except for a couple of the names so it was so good to have your reply we are just a bit unsure for the date of birth for Tommy (Thomas) as Amy was told 1914 but does not have any documented details just going on what she was told do you have a birth date or just a year we have a deceased date of the 11th April 1964 at Dubbo, also have you got a DOB for Eliza. Thomas married a Elsie May Marjorie Chape and had eight children my last post said five, these are Colin (Dec), Lila, Elaine (Dec), Kevin, Stanley DOB: 12/09/1951 (Dec 04/02/2001) (Amy's father), Judith (Dec), Rhonda and Edna, None of these live in that district anymore all the children were born in Walgett from what we know and this is where they lived when they were taken at Youendah Station Walgett. Amy is still in contact with Lila and Rhonda and are helping us with history of the above marriages and their children, dates of death and their DOB, if you would like these details when we get them let me know, i am not sure how we can received each others personal emails but if you know can you organise that, that would be great thank you for your time it is very much appreciated.
Tanya
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Hi Tanya! I just had a look at the paper work that was sent to me and sorry it does not list a birth date for Eliza. I think Eliza is short for Elizabeth. I will contact the lady from Gundy soon and as her if she knows more about this. This lady is in contact with a cousin of my Dad's in Toowoomba from the Bradley side. The lady is related is to her. The cousin in Toowoomba but I don't know if she knows any more on the McGowan side. The cousin has just had a death in her family, so hard to get info until things settle down a bit. Maybe Eliza was not registered at birth.
The contact I have in Roma maybe able to help as I think she is a member of the Roma History Group. I am in contact with her daughter via email as she might be able to ask her mother. This family are related Thru the Bradley side. I have found quite alot on the Bradley side recently., which I am excited about!
The doc's I am referring to are just family tree group sheets and it lists all the McGowan's I mentioned to you. There's also a marriage cert of my Gr Grand's Arthur Bradley and Agnes Bradley I was also sent picture of Agnes (photo copy - not very clear) of my Gr Gran Agnes Bradley (nee McGowan) last week. It looks like it was taken as an older lady - perhaps shortly before her death in 1961. I was also born 1961. Agnes passed away March '61 and I was born Nov '61.
Thanks for telling me of the Children living at Walgett - another thing I did not know. I think the story of the stolen generation is very sad. I was only reading about tit recently. Yes, The Police records of Roma/Mungindi you mention I have come across last week by accident! I also saw the mention of the i child of Bradley/Knox. I will have another look on there.
It is my pleasure to help you Tanya and Amy - please say 'Hi' to Amy from me. I began tracing the Egan family (My maiden name) late in 2007 and they are very complicated and many bricks walls have been hit. I am tracing the tree for myself and my sister and Dad in Inverell NSW.My Dad is almost 81 - he too was born in Mungindi. My sister and I were born Inverell.
I shall have a bit more read of the family group sheet again to see if I have missed some info. I think if you reply to me a couple of times we can then exchange email addresses. As mentioned to you yesterday A LOT of bits and pieces have come thru. the last few weeks. Hopefully we can learn a bit more about the McGowan's - we shall keep looking. I see you mention Dubbo. I also have a contact there who might know more. I shall make a list of who to contact and do that early next week.
I will be chatting to my father via phone tomorrow. I will be back online on Sunday. I am sure he told me McGowan's were Teamsters - leave it with me..... looking forward to your next reply
Cheers!
Lesley
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Hello Tanya! I am back again today briefly. I was going to phone my Dad, but he has bronchitis , so I will leave the McGowan questions until next week. My Dad has a great memory and I have relied on him for a lot of family names and info. Unfortunately he never knew Arthur Bradley as he died 1926 the same year my grandparent's Arthur Egan and Mona Bradley were married in Thallon. Dad was born 1929 in Mungindi as I told you. I found out story of the burial place of Arthur Bradley the other day - more on that soon! Dad sometimes has flash backs and remembers things. I am certain he mentioned McGowan teamsters. I shall be back Sunday on line
Cheers!
Lesley
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Hi Tanya!
I just had email from Roma as History Group had replied and told me they have info on the Bradley family. I replied and asked about McGowan family, so we shall see what comes of it - if anything. I have just looked at the family tree I have here. It states on the notes that James McGowan & Ellen Crampton being parents of James McGowan is not confirmed and then I read on further and it states the following..... James McGowan married 1850 in Roman Catholic Singleton NSW wife: Ellen Crampton. Children: Ellen McGowan born 1850 in NSW, James McGowan born 1854 in Singleton, Died 12 Sept 1922 in Mungindi NSW. married Eliza (Elizabeth Weatherall in Bullamon QLD.
Mary E McGowan born 1860 in Sydney died 1863 in Sydney
Patrick A McGowan 1862 in Sydney died 1863 in Sydney
Elizabeth McGowan born 1864 Patrick Plains NSW (gives no death date)
Teresa McGowan born 1865 Sydney and died 1865 Sydney
Joseph McGowan born 1865 (does not give death -maybe twin brother of Teresa?)
I wonder where the original McGowan's came from - Scotland perhaps???? I will ask my Gundy contact to see if this is confirmed of this family. My contact is away in Toowoomba - not sure when she returns. That's all I can do for now -
I will await your next reply
Cheers!
Lesley
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Tanya, I forgot something - had a look on QLD BDM as it lists a Elizabeth McGowan death for 1925 no parents listed tho. And also a Elizabeth McGowan 1924 with parents Henry Best and Ann Hart - one these could be our Eliza. Possibly the one with out parents listed - shall keep digging for clues!
Lesley
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Tanya, I also found this info on QLD BDM this morning...Elizabeth Weatherall birth 1864....Father:Henry and Mother: Mary Ann Rogers - could this be the birth of our Eliza? I have another person to contact as well and he is also a Bradley relation. So will see what comes of this the next few weeks.I will hear from you again soon no doubt!
Lesley
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Hi Lesley thank you so much for all this info i have been incontact with another family member of yours and amy's. Her name is Tina Hamrick from Washington and her grandmother is Eliza who married George Knox and she has been researching her family history for several years mainly the Knox side, but she said she has done a fair bit on the McGowan side too, she has a facebook page on family history and said she will post all her info on there, she also said that she is stuck on Eliza Weatherall too, and she keeps coming to dead ends with her and i told her that she is reported to be Full blood aboriginal in a police record and so we are guessing that is why noone can find anything on her, I seen your post that you found a record for one who died in 1925 with no parents listed does that record state she died in Mungindi. also just wondering what you have that gave you a date of the 11th Aug 1925 as her date of death? might be able to track something down from that, Amy's Aunt Rhonda (Thomas's Daughter) is so very much appreciated for your help and is very excited on finding out her family history so thank you once again for your time and look forwarded to hearing what else you find and if your father might remember any of the McGowan's especially Thomas.
Tanya
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HI Emu, Iam looking for any information on my Grandmother Nola Bradley, i believe she is the daughter of Agnes and Thomas Bradley. Nola married Sid Mitchell and lived in St George and then Gayndah. Regards
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Hi there! Nola Bradley/Mitchell was my Grandmother's sister. My Gran was Monica Muriel Bradley aka Mona. Mona married Arthur Edward Egan. One of Nola's daughter's lives In Toowoomba QLD. Maybe you already know this? I am not in touch with her, but I am in touch with one of her relations from Goondiwindi. I have a bit of the family tree in regards to Bradley's. You have caught me at a bad time as I am heading off to Nthn. NSW on holidays. I leave tomorrow and return around Sept 21st. I will be on line again later today if you read this. if you have quick questions I can help you with, otherwise I can give you more info in Sept. As you will read previous posts which gives a bit of Bradley/McGowan info.
regards Lesley P.S yes, the mother of Nola and family was Agnes McGowan and father was actually Arthur Thomas Bradley - I have contacts at Roma as well as NSW coast who are also have traced Bradley family. Hope I can be of some help?!
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Hi Lesley, Thanks for responding. I think I have worked out the lineage from previous posts which is awsome. Iam the son of Fay Mitchell. I would appreciate any information/photos you may wish to share. Also if I can be of any assistance let me know. Have a great holiday. Duane
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Hi Duane!
I had a spare moment. I am actually attending a family reunion of behalf of my late mother's side of the family. I remember the name Faye on the family tree list and will mention your name to my Dad.We are descendants from George Charles Bradley who came out from Birmingham UK. George set up his hairdressing business in Roma. George is buried in Roma. I will fill you in on a few details when I return from NSW. Once we exchange a few messages we can then exchange private email addresses. My maiden name was Egan as mentioned in other posts and I was born in Inverell. Both Mona (Grandma) and Arthur (Grandpa) are buried in Inverell cemetery. I will chat to you more in Sept as most likely will not have access to computer whist I am away. I will see if my other contacts has photos of Nola too once I return.
Cheers!
Lesley
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Hi Duane - Lesley here again back from my trip away after 4 wks. I did not get much info from my Dad, only that Nola and family had a property at St George. I will ask my other contact and see what she knows. If we send a few more messages we should be able to exchange email addresses I think. I have some info on Bradley/McGowan side of family
Hope I can help a little bit
Cheers!
Lesley
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Hi Emu, My Gt2 Grandfather was James McGowan and his wife was Helen Crampton ( nee Goodyer) they had the following children, James, Francis, Mary ( my Gt Grandmother), Agnes, Daniel and Elizabeth.
I am interested to know if you have found out if the son James m Eliza Weatherall ? And can you give me details of the family ? I have lots of information on the McGowan family . Cheers DMS
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Hi again Emu, Just wanted to say that I am from the Sunshine Coast too. In case you don't know James Mcgowan came from Longford Ireland he was a convict sent out in 1832 aged 17 years. He was sent to the
Singleton N.S.W area and that is where he married Helen Crampton. She was Helen Goodyer and married William Crampton in Singleton, he died a few months after they married. She then married James McGowan. She had a daughter Helen Goodyer. Both mother and daughter were known as Ellen. Possibly because of the H being dropped when they spoke. Have heaps more information Cheers DMS
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Hi there dms,
I have just read your messages and great to hear from you - also great to hear you reside at Sunshine Coast! I just wanted to let you know that I will get back to you again very soon - possibly tomorrow with a bit of info I have. Thanks for what you have given me so far - I was not aware James McGowan was a convict, but knew he came from Ireland. I look forward to hearing more and also more about yourself very soon
Cheers!
Emu
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Hi Emu, Looking forward to hearing more from you. Just had an email from Roma Family History Society and they have information on Bradley/ McGowan family. Can't wait to hear more take care DMS
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Hi
I'm also looking for information regarding the MacGowan family from ORANGE NSW. My grandmother was Agnes Lucy born in 1884, parents James and Margaret. I believe Margaret was nee Madden. Agnes Lucy had 4 siblings, one Margaret dying as a baby. I can't find any records of deaths for Agnes siblings and am not 100% sure if the death notice of a James MacGowan in 1897 is that of my great grandfather. I'm also interested in finding out about the Madden family.
Regards
Lesley (Sydney NSW)
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I don't know if anyone can help or not but we have been looking for an Elaine Joyce McGowan (my partners biological mum). Reading through this thread i noticed an Elaine was included in one of the comments
and she may had passed away. The Elaine we have been looking for was born 1940's and we we're just wondering if that would be the same one? My partner was born in Gosford hospital on october 3rd 1969 and as he was only a baby has no information on his family
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I don't know if anyone can help or not but we have been looking for an Elaine Joyce McGowan (my partners biological mum). Reading through this thread i noticed an Elaine was included in one of the comments and she had passed away. The Elaine we have been looking for was born on 1940's and we we're just wondering if that would be the same one? My partner was born in Gosford hospital on october 3rd 1969 and as he was only a baby has no information on his family
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Hi
I'm searching for relatives of my biological mother, Rhonda, who is apparently a dependent of Eliza Weatherall, and her biological name prior to adoption was McGowan.
Any information would be gratefully appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
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Hi there dms,
I have just read your messages and great to hear from you - also great to hear you reside at Sunshine Coast! I just wanted to let you know that I will get back to you again very soon - possibly tomorrow with a bit of info I have. Thanks for what you have given me so far - I was not aware James McGowan was a convict, but knew he came from Ireland. I look forward to hearing more and also more about yourself very soon
Cheers!
Emu
This is my first post, so please let me know if what I'm about to ask is not allowed, or if I've breached any protocols or offended anybody.
If my research is correct, James McGowan is my second great grandfather. My path appears to be James McGowan (my grandfather) -> Francis McGowan -> James McGowan
I've found it difficult to find information about this side of my mother's family and would greatly appreciate any information and/or documents that others could send to me via private message to assist the building of my family tree (mainly to fill in the gaps!). Thanks in advance!
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I haven't been able to get any information from Amy about my mum Elaine Joyce McGowan. I was just wondering if anyone else can help me please? All i know is my mum passed away but i don't know what name she may have been under or where she may have been placed. I would love to even just get a photo of her if anyone would have one please. Amy has been going to get me information since around 2015 but i haven't heard anything at all.
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dms, Emu and I have been in contact for some years. For several years I visited Longford town in County Longford for a festival, out of the blue Emu mentioned Longford, Bells rang! I went to the library in the town the following year and saw a town list from 1827, James McGowan the convict was living with his father James in Bog Lane, Longford town. All that is left in the area is the stone wall from around the houses. I did ask in the town about the McGowan's and was told to go to McGowan's pub in Newtown Forbes a few miles outside the town as he has a lot of history about the McGowan's. When Emu came over we took her there, sadly the guy was away and any time we are in the area we call in to see him but he is always away somewhere.
Emu, if you see this, I will email you soon.
Maggsie
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also,
did she live in Ettalong in 1972?
Married name, or is McGowan her maiden name?
I will see if I can find her.
Maggsie
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Hi Maggsie
I was taken from my mum as a baby in 1969 and my adoption went through in 1972. I have the records of my adoption and the authority to search for my mum. In my records when i was born my mum was under McGowan and she wasn't married at that stage. The latest address anyone can find was 301 Trafalgar Avenue Umina NSW. Because i have no latest information i don't know if mum ever got married or not
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Welcome to Rootschat, Gmoore
As per RC policy you are unable to mention the names of those who may still be living.
As you do not have proof of death for your mother or sibling, you will need to remove their names from your posts, as will Maggsie.
And yes, the name should have been removed in 2015, also.
Jamjar
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Just to confirm Jamjar's post....
I can see that there's NO mention of those names in the Ryerson Index, which is an index of newspaper cuttings for deaths/funerals covering many/most newspapers in NSW, including the Central Coast of NSW as well as much of the rest of Australia. It is regularly updated. Central Coast newspapers include Central Coast Express
Here's the live link http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Palmdale Crematorium : http://www.palmdalegroup.com.au/palmdale.asp
NSW BDM restricts access to death registrations for the first 30 years, and so the online index does not include these.
There's professional organisations that have trained counsellors to help. Here's some live links:
https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/nsw/NE00524
http://www.jigsaw.org.au/how-do-i-begin/new-south-wales/
https://www.reunion.com.au/adoption-register/
JM
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Sorry it's just way back near the beginning of this post it said mums name and in brackets that she was deceased. I was also told that from a lady that turns out to be my cousin on mums side. I was only going by what I was told but i'm more than happy to take my posts down. My partner put the original comment up so when she gets home I will get her to take them off as well (I don't know how to sign in to hers). May I ask how I delete my comments on here please i'm new to this site
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I have replied to your PM.
You will see a 'modify' button to the top right of your post. Click and edit.
Jamjar
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You can send Tanyaslaves - with the post mentioning a name the same as your mother's - a PM. She hasn't been online since 2015, but she may receive a notification email re your PM.
Jamjar
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Gmorre, putting a line though a name does not remove it. In post #32, you need to either highlight/delete or backspace the two references to his name.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar,
I have edited the post to remove the DOB and to show that this person may still be living.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Jamjar,
I have edited the post to remove the DOB and to show that this person may still be living.
Regards
Sarah
Sarah, reply #26 clearly states the date of birth of the person being searched for.
J.
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Sorry it's just way back near the beginning of this post it said mums name and in brackets that she was deceased. I was also told that from a lady that turns out to be my cousin on mums side. I was only going by what I was told but i'm more than happy to take my posts down. My partner put the original comment up so when she gets home I will get her to take them off as well (I don't know how to sign in to hers). May I ask how I delete my comments on here please i'm new to this site
Hi there,
Your cousin on your mum's side and you share at least one grandparent. You need to consider searching for that grandparent or their siblings.
Back in the 1960s relinquishing mothers in NSW were often harassed into giving up their babies. Sometimes these mums were banished from their families. Sometimes these mums' families came to assume that lack of contact meant they were no longer living and sometimes those aunts/uncles had children (your first cousins) who may have overheard and mis-understood adult conversations, afterall 'as though she is dead' is very different from 'we went to her funeral'. The NSW Adoption laws from that era were restrictive and harsh. Plus, the wages for any female were much lower than any male wage as this was before 'equal pay for equal work of equal value'. Social security payments in that era did not help support single mums either, and this was before the introduction of the Federal Family Court.
Today's NSW Adoption laws are very different and there's various organisations that are available to help find information for both relinquishing parents and for their offspring. BUT those NSW laws still provide for the expectation of personal privacy to the relinquishing mum, her offspring, her offspring's father, and their respective extended family members, as well as the family who adopted you.
I cannot find anything in my offline NSW resources to support the notion that your relinquishing mum is no longer living, and from the information that is still displayed on this thread I am concerned that her expectation to privacy may be infringed as in NSW any living person's name is part of their identifying data, so it is subject to privacy and sensitivity considerations. (Her name, her probable address as per say Ancestry's uploaded 1970s electoral rolls - these infringe her personal privacy, and your own info - that also infringes her personal privacy)
If you are seeking medical history about your maternal line, then your maternal cousins should be able to help, but I would urge them to do so offline or by personal message. If you are seeking contact with your biological living relatives, then you should be seeking assistance from the organisations dedicated to those efforts, as RChat is about helping with research about our deceased ancestors.
From our HOW TO thread, : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
RootsChat - Our Policy on Living Persons.
Here on RootsChat we are very concerned that the privacy and security of the living is protected. For this reason we do not allow searches for living persons. Although we fully understand you would like recent information to add to your tree, or that you may wish to make contact with birth families, relatives you lost contact with when they immigrated to Australia, missing family or friends, we are afraid we are unable to assist you.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience this causes you but we are sure you will appreciate the reasons for this.
Please See:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html
My wishes for you include every positive thought for you to find your birth family, and I urge you to contact your local organisations with the training and the experienced staff to work with you towards that goal.
JM
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https://www.ag.gov.au/About/ForcedAdoptionsApology/Pages/default.aspx
Support services for people affected by forced adoption practices
The Department of Social Services is funding seven organisations to provide coordinated specialist support services across Australia for people affected by forced adoption practices.
A list of the funded organisations, and information about other support services is available on the Support services for people affected by past forced adoption policies and practices page of the DSS website.
To contact a forced adoption support service in your state or territory call 1800 21 03 13.
ADD
https://www.dss.gov.au/families-and-children/publications-articles/good-practice-principles-in-providing-services-to-those-affected-by-forced-adoption-and-family-separation
AND
https://www.dss.gov.au/families-and-children/programmes-services/family-relationships/forced-adoption-practices/support-services-for-people-affected-by-past-forced-adoption-policies-and-practices
JM
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I should also add, that a person born in 1949 did not gain their majority until they turned 21 years of age, so she was still a minor when giving birth in 1969. The age was lowered to 18 years in around 1973-4.
JM
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Hi there....sorry ladies....I only just saw this message....didn't know it was there until my friend informed me! I have a fair bit on the McGowan family....not sure if I can give you what you are asking in regards the names in your posting (Elaine Joyce McGowan and others mentioned)I have been in contact with a McGowan relative whom I found on Rootschat in 2011. This lady has completed a fair bit of research on the family and lives nearby. We have met up a couple of years ago. I think she could be on holidays at the present time. Another lady did conduct research on behalf of her sister in law. I would have to look back at my notes and see what is mentioned as have not looked at anything in awhile. As mentioned in other postings my Gr Gr Grandfather James McGowan was born in Longford Ireland and I have been to the place where he lived. I have also recently been to Sydney where he died near Darling Harbour.
cheers Emu :)
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Sorry it's just way back near the beginning of this post it said mums name and in brackets that she was deceased. I was also told that from a lady that turns out to be my cousin on mums side. I was only going by what I was told but i'm more than happy to take my posts down. My partner put the original comment up so when she gets home I will get her to take them off as well (I don't know how to sign in to hers). May I ask how I delete my comments on here please i'm new to this site
Hi there,
Your cousin on your mum's side and you share at least one grandparent. You need to consider searching for that grandparent or their siblings.
Back in the 1960s relinquishing mothers in NSW were often harassed into giving up their babies. Sometimes these mums were banished from their families. Sometimes these mums' families came to assume that lack of contact meant they were no longer living and sometimes those aunts/uncles had children (your first cousins) who may have overheard and mis-understood adult conversations, afterall 'as though she is dead' is very different from 'we went to her funeral'. The NSW Adoption laws from that era were restrictive and harsh. Plus, the wages for any female were much lower than any male wage as this was before 'equal pay for equal work of equal value'. Social security payments in that era did not help support single mums either, and this was before the introduction of the Federal Family Court.
Today's NSW Adoption laws are very different and there's various organisations that are available to help find information for both relinquishing parents and for their offspring. BUT those NSW laws still provide for the expectation of personal privacy to the relinquishing mum, her offspring, her offspring's father, and their respective extended family members, as well as the family who adopted you.
I cannot find anything in my offline NSW resources to support the notion that your relinquishing mum is no longer living, and from the information that is still displayed on this thread I am concerned that her expectation to privacy may be infringed as in NSW any living person's name is part of their identifying data, so it is subject to privacy and sensitivity considerations. (Her name, her probable address as per say Ancestry's uploaded 1970s electoral rolls - these infringe her personal privacy, and your own info - that also infringes her personal privacy)
If you are seeking medical history about your maternal line, then your maternal cousins should be able to help, but I would urge them to do so offline or by personal message. If you are seeking contact with your biological living relatives, then you should be seeking assistance from the organisations dedicated to those efforts, as RChat is about helping with research about our deceased ancestors.
From our HOW TO thread, : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
RootsChat - Our Policy on Living Persons.
Here on RootsChat we are very concerned that the privacy and security of the living is protected. For this reason we do not allow searches for living persons. Although we fully understand you would like recent information to add to your tree, or that you may wish to make contact with birth families, relatives you lost contact with when they immigrated to Australia, missing family or friends, we are afraid we are unable to assist you.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience this causes you but we are sure you will appreciate the reasons for this.
Please See:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html
My wishes for you include every positive thought for you to find your birth family, and I urge you to contact your local organisations with the training and the experienced staff to work with you towards that goal.
JM
Ok thanks for your help i will take my posts down i have no way of finding my grandparents because i don't know any details at all. I only have my files from before i was adopted, my medical history, my adoption details. I will contact somewhere to see if i can get some help. When i was told mum was deceased i thought i would have been able to search this way but as i said i was only knew to this site so i didn't know i was doing anything wrong. Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me i really appreciate it
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When you read back through the thread, you will notice at reply #8 from May 2010, there’s mention of Thomas McGOWAN and Elsie May Marjorie CHAPE.
Have you obtained any NSW BDM documentation about them?
The names of their children should be on their death registrations. If this were my family I would be seeking a copy of these documents as they are not subject to restricted access (their deaths occurred more than 30 years ago).
From NSW BDM online index for deaths, I can see
Elsie’s death was at Walgett NSW in 1958. She was buried in Walgett General Cemetery, and sadly there’s a baby’s burial in 1958 which when you check back with the NSW BDM online index suggests baby was stillborn. Elsie’s registration is #5883, and baby is #5772.
Also at Walgett Cemetery Anglican, but for 1950 is Colin Victor MCGOWAN, and from NSW BDM online with #13565, his parents were Thomas Andrew and Elsie May Marjorie MCGOWAN.
Thomas Andrew MCGOWAN’s 1964 death was registered Dubbo, #15709.
From NSW Electoral Rolls
NSW electoral roll 1949 CASTLEREAGH, polling Walgett
Elsie May Marjorie MCGOWAN, Flemington Station, home duties
Thomas Andrew MCGOWAN, Flemington Station, boundary rider
Same info NSW ER’s 1953 and 1958, GWYDIR, polling Walgett
Elsie May Marjorie MCGOWAN, Flemington Station, home duties
Thomas Andrew MCGOWAN, Flemington Station, boundary rider
NSW BDM online indexes
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPTIONS are cheaper option, but if you are seeking legal certified copy, official transcriptions may not be suitable.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription
Australian Cemeteries Index
http://www.austcemindex.com/
JM
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Hi to those who have posted on this family who are related and not related. I have sent some of this info to the person who is looking for his Mum via personal message. Here's a bit more for those who want to know more on the family regards Thomas and Elsie McGowan (nee Chape) married Walgett NSW 4th Jan 1946.
Elsie died 26/02/58 during child birth. After Elsie's death during childbirth (child was still born) Thomas hired a nanny to care for his children and despite this, sadly the children were removed by the General Minister from Thomas McGowan on 11th March 1960. The children were separated and never saw their father again.
Elsie's parent's Celia Nina Anne Chape died 1937 and Robert John Chape died 1949.
for those who are tracing the family of the following....James McGowan(Ireland - convict from Longford) and spouse Ellen Crampton (from Edinburgh Scotland) and one of their children
James McGowan and his de facto Eliza Weatherall. Please contact me via personal message and I can fill you in on some of the BDM as passed on to me(please note I do not have all BDM info) and other info on the above names, such as our convict James from Ireland. However I cannot pass on other info of living persons who have traced this tree who have posted on this message board.
My connection to this family is on my father's side Christian Edward Egan
My grandmother Mona Egan (nee Bradley)
My gr. grandmother Agnes Bradley (Nee MCGOWAN)
thank you
Emu ;D
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Hi Emu my name is Betty Bradley, Winnifred was my grandmother.
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Is the Danny you mentioned here real name Daniel? I’m now VERY interested in this research[/quote]
Tanya, I am back again - just had a free moment. You may already have some of this info.....James McGowan was born 1854 in Singleton He was Labourer and boundary rider. He married Eliza Weatherall in Bullamon QLD. He died 12 Sept 1922 in Mungindi NSW. Eliza died 11 Aug 1925 in Mungindi. The children were Herbert, George, Agnes (my Gr Gran) Ellen, James, Maggie, Danny, Eliza (married George Knox) John, Tommy and Rhonda (married Robert Fing) The Tommy mentioned here was born 1901 according to what I have in my docs. from Goondiwindi.
One of the Bradley's also married a Knox - well she had child to him, so i found out - not sure about the marriage as yet. I have found a fair bit on the Bradley side. According to what I have here, it states parents of James were Father: James McGowan and Mother: Ellen Crampton. There's a few other McGowan's listed here as well of the above named McGowans's. I don't know where James McGowan father also named James came from - that's what I am to find out. Do you named any rellies around in Roma of the McGowan side. I am in contact with family from Roma (they are not McGowan's tho) and they may know more on this side
I will be back tomorrow and read my docs again properly in case I missed something
Cheers! Lesley P.S I am from Caloundra Sunshine Coast
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Hello Tanya/Slave
My dad was Kevin McGowan Son of Thomas McGowan ! If you have any Information on the McGowan family can you please reply
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I was wondering if you have the reference number to the Police report with Eliza Rogers/Weatherall.
Cheers :)
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Hi Emu,
are you able to email me at biancaharman00@gmail.com in relation to Eliza McGowan, mother of Thomas A McGowan, and grandmother of Rhonda, and my great-grandmother please? I cannot open your message from 2017.
Yours sincerely
Bianca