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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: janetm on Monday 10 November 08 10:33 GMT (UK)
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I have had a contact who says Lucy Turner is the daughter of Lewis Lowe.
Quote: Lucy Turner was the daughter of Maria Turner, i got Lucy's birth cert no father mentioned, Lucy was living with Evelina in the 1891 census as grandaughter, i went and looked at the parish records today and it has Lewis Lowe on there as the father. On Ann's baptism it just has Lewis Lowe and Maria Turner, so both children it seems are his, even though he is not on the birth cert. (ps Lucy's christening date 31/1/1880)
1881 Census RG11/3336/81/15 2 Hardstaffs Yard, Arnold, Notts
Lewis Lowe aged 23 Head of household Unmarried Framework knitter
in the same house are
Maria Turner aged 22 Housekeeper (Head) Arnold, Notts
Ann Turner aged 2 daughter Arnold, Notts
Lucy Turner aged 1 daughter Arnold, Notts
On the 1891 census RG12/2676/83/30 Arnold Notts
Eveline(a) Lovett (Lowe nee Chambers) Head 66 Kimberley, Notts
Lucy Turner aged 12 granddaughter Arnold, Notts
It seems on the face of it that the children are Lewis's but
I would really like this confiming please, could some kind person please check for me as I am not sure whether to add Maria, Ann and Lucy to my tree.
many thanks
Jan
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If the PRs examined were the originals, I cant see what other sources there would be ?
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I understand that, what I would like is confirmation of the originals please.
all the best
Jan
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if no one here has access, you could try Notts Archives - I havent delved very deep, but often they offer a research service ...
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/home/leisure/archives.htm
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Hi. I have access to the 1891 census original but not the 1881.
Here is the 1891 entry at the reference you gave.
Evelyn Lovatt Head widow 66 Born Kimberly
Samuel Baggaley Boarder 46 b Arnold
Jane Lowe Boarder widow 25 b Ireland
Lucy Turner granddaughter 12 b Arnold
Evelyn Lowe granddaughter 5 b Ireland
I hope this is of some help.
NC.
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Hiya Nottschick,
had already posted that (lol) I have Lucy on both the 1881 and 1891 censuses, just need to find out if she is really Evelina's grandaughter.
all the best and thanks anyway
Jan
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let us know how you get on with Notts Archives :)
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Hi there. I am researching Lewis lowe at the moment, he was the brother of Lucinda Lowe, a great great grandmother of mine. I found that in 1886 Lewis travelled to America, he died in 1887 from typhoid fever.
I'm struggling to find what happened to the three Turner girls children.
I can't find births that match.
Maria Turner, appears to have died in 1884 (although I've not ordered the certificate) so I'm a bit confused about Eveline Turner re being born in 1886 Ireland... And where does jane Lowe, from Ireland fit in?
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1871 picking up the family names again
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXX-X2C
Samuel Lovett Head M 52 Lambley, Nottinghamshire
Evilina Lovett Wife F 43 Kimberley, Nottinghamshire
Frances Chambers Sister-in-law F 61 Kimberley, Nottinghamshire
Emma Low Daughter-in-law F 19 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Louis Low Son-in-law M 13 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Ellen Dawson Granddaughter F 5 Codnor Park, Derbyshire
Mary A Dawson Granddaughter F 2 Basford, Nottinghamshire
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1871 picking up the family names again
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXX-X2C
Samuel Lovett Head M 52 Lambley, Nottinghamshire
Evilina Lovett Wife F 43 Kimberley, Nottinghamshire
Frances Chambers Sister-in-law F 61 Kimberley, Nottinghamshire
Emma Low Daughter-in-law F 19 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Louis Low Son-in-law M 13 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Ellen Dawson Granddaughter F 5 Codnor Park, Derbyshire
Mary A Dawson Granddaughter F 2 Basford, Nottinghamshire
Something not adding up ???
"Louis Low Son-in-law M 13 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Son-in-law aged 13 & married ???
Annie
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M = male, not married (note the girls have F by them!)
"in law" was often used in the 19th century to denote a step relationship, rather than what we would expect today
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Samuel Lovett married Evelina Lowe in 1859, so i think Louis and Emma are indeed step children
There's a possible 1846 marriagefor a Peter Percival Lowe and an Evelina Chambers (which would fit with Frances the sister in law), although 1851 census suggests a Hannah Loner as his wife!
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They seem to like using in-law in both meanings in that area - Emma (9) and Louis (3) along with an older sister Lucy/Lucinda (14) are also described as son/daughter in law on 1861. Ancestry has transcribed their surname as Love
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Here's a curve ball, was looking at 1861 and had come to the conclusion Jane 1891 was related to another lowe but have found this baptism in Ireland
http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633329#page/169/mode/1up
the name of the child is ?Emminlina on the transcript
Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Transcription
First name(s) -
Last name Lowe
Birth year 1886
Birth date 21 Apr 1886
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 28 Apr 1886
Residence Station St
Parish Balbriggan
Alternative parish names Balrothery, Balrothery and Balscadden, Balscadden
Diocese Dublin
County Dublin
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Lewis
Volume 2
Page 389
Father's last name Lowe
Mother's first name(s) Rachel Jane
Mother's last name Gibson
There's a marriage to Lewis Lowe
First name(s) Rachael Jane
Last name Gibson
Registration year 1886
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1886
Registration district Balrothery
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Have got all about evelina and Peter 😃
Ooo how strange, if that marriage and baptism is correct....
This is my maternal genealogy, but my dad, is Irish and all of his family (most anyway) are from balrothery! no lowes though!
Eveline Turner/Lowe 1886 is transcribed on FindMyPast as Eveline Turner but the actual record is Eveline Lowe. I cannot for the life of me find her on 1901 census cor uk
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Sorry, census for UK or Ireland.
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How about this one 1901
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSN6-X46
George Needham Head M 34 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Rachel J Needham Wife F 34 Ireland
Evaline Needham Daughter F 14 Ireland
Frank O Needham Son M 6 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
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Ahh on the baptism it says Lewis lowe was a protestant
And emmilina sounds a lot lime evelina...
If this is him I wonder why he went to Ireland? His housekeeper who had his other children died... So he left, married, had another child... But then in 1886 (same year... Will have to check what date he left?) he went to America. Alone I think?
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How about this one 1901
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSN6-X46
George Needham Head M 34 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Rachel J Needham Wife F 34 Ireland
Evaline Needham Daughter F 14 Ireland
Frank O Needham Son M 6 Arnold, Nottinghamshire
Ann maybe.. I wonder if there is a marriage for Rachel and George? I'm slow tonight, using phone!
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George Needham married Jane Lowe Q2 1894 Basford
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The wedding and baptism in Ireland is looking likely indeed
Date of Marriage: 16-Jan-1886
Parish / District: SWORDS County: Co. Dublin
Husband Wife
Name: Lewis Lowe Rachel Jane Gibson
Address: Station St Balbriggan Station St Balbriggan
Denomination:
Occupation: HOSIER
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Peter N/a Henry James N/a
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name: N/a N/a
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Mr Benjamin Turner Kate Holt
Address:
Notes:
SAMUEL P WARREN BY LICENCE.
How strange to have a Turner as a witness... Re his first lady, Maria Turner? Or likely a coincidence.
He was a hoiser.
His father was Peter percival lowe.
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George Needham married Jane Lowe Q2 1894 Basford
Ahhh it is all piecing together now!
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If you look for George 'later' R. Jane is from Balbriggan :)
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Rachel in the 1911 census place of birth is Balbriggan!
With a five year old grandson, Lewis radnall...
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There she is!
Evelyn Radnall Visitor Married Female Hosiery Embrioderer 24 1887 Balbriggan Ireland
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Louis Radnall and Evelina Lowe married Basford Q3 1905
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:267X-PM1
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He sailed to America in August 1886. He married Jan 1886 and his daughter was born April 1886... Busy year.
I wonder if he was not liked by her family? They were married by licence, maybe because jane was already pregnant?
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Just to throw my pennorth in for what its worth....
baptism Arnold St Mary
27-8-1878 Annie dau of Lewis LAWS & Maria Turner abode Woodcocks Yd father a collier
11-6 1855 Elizabeth Mosella dau of Peter Percival Lowe & Evelina father a FWK
26-5-1850 William Percival son of Peter & Evelina Lowe FWK
13-6-1852 Emily Ann dau Peter Percival & Evelina Lowe FWK
8-3-1847 Lucinda dau of Peter Percival & Evelina Lowe FWK
Baptism Nottingham St Barnabas RC
4-10-1857 Lewis son of Peter Lowe and Selina Chambers.
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Where did you find that? Thank you!
Now, I am struggling to find a birth for Lewis Radnall born 1905/1906?
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Notts FHS
It would appear that Lucinda and Lewis were not full siblings...
or is the mother mis transcribed???
marriage Hucknall Torkard
5-10-1846 Peter Percival Lowe & Evelina Chambers
burial Arnold
17-10-1858 Peter Percival Lowe aged 42 abode Arnold
19-5-1852 William Percival Lowe aged 2 abode Arnold
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Yes the mother is mistranscribed, i've seen her under various name (Hannah Loner being the best!)
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But she was Evelina Chambers (maiden name)
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Hmm, death registration for Annie Turner, in 2nd quarter of 1884, born roughly 1878, Basford.
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marriage Arnold St Mary
8-8-1859 Samuel Lovett & Evelina Lowe
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I was looking at this one for the birth
LOUIS LEO RADNELL
1905 Q4 Basford
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Ahh brill, thanks