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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: perth tiger on Monday 10 November 08 11:15 GMT (UK)
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hi
jane fletcher born abt 1831 pickering or york
marries thomas oxberry june 1896 in york thomas is shown as a sweep. he isnt he has been a glass worker all his life.
shown as oxbersy in 1901
1901 RG 13 4447 124 32
in 1891 she is in the same house shown as married. the head is william wilson a sweep shown as married.
RG 12 3893 141 25
the only thing i have to go on further back is the fact that in 1901 there is a jane martin in the house shown as a niece
in 1891 there is john martin shown as a nephew
william wilson comes from a family of sweeps
in 1881 john martin is living with his family the head is jane martin 44
RG 11 4725 59 32
jane is shown in 1861 with husband john
RG 9 3553 105 38
also on this page is william wilson (who is living with jane fletcher in 1891) and his family.
william wilson in 1881 is shown as married to jane a tailoress
in 1871 there is a jane fletcher living with husband william fletcher a tailor. they are in the same street as a young william wilson.
william died in sept 1896 just after thomas and jane married.
can you link jane with the martin family or is it william wilson who is related to them.
where was jane before 1881.
thanks
perth :) :)
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Hi Perth......
This may confuse you more !!
1861 census
8 Hound Street , Leeds , West Yorkshire
William Fletcher / head / age 37 / tailor / born York
Jane Fletcher / wife / age 31 / born Pickering
John Goodhall / son in law / age 6 / born York
Diana L Webster / Mother / age 49 / born Fairburn
RG9 3382 109 11
Son in law , I would think to mean Stepson .
1851 census
207 Middle Street , Kingston upon Hull
Mark Webster / head / age 40 / labourer / born York
Dinah Webster / wife / age 39 / born Fairburn
Sarah Webster / daughter / age 14 / born Hull
Mary Webster / daughter / age 3 / born Flaxton
JANE BLAKELY / aunt / age 21 / box maker / born Pickering
HO107 2363 178 56
I have tried , with no success, to find the marriage of William Fletcher to a Jane Blakely or Jane Goodhall......
Did you notice , that there is a family called Martin , living a couple of doors away from William and Jane on the 1871 census ?
Regards
JeannieR
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Hi Perth
Just to confuse the matter more, on the 1901 Census (RG13; Piece: 4692; Folio: 63; Page: 5) I have found another Jane Fletcher, Widow, aged 69 (born c1832 at Pickering) & she is living in Houghton Le Spring, Durham with her son Richard aged 26 & a boarder
Gill
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Hi again......
On the 1871 census , living with William and Jane , is a 6 year old George Henry , their son , and a lady aged 59 , listed as mother . Her surname is given as Fletcher . but on closer examination , I think her name is Dinah Webster......The lady who is "mother" on the 1861 census, and was married to Mark Webster on the1851 census.....With me ?
Mark Webster , married Dinah GoodHall at York , 30th January 1848 . I think that this particular Jane Fletcher , was her daughter......
I have found the marriage of William Fletcher and Jane Goodall , at York in 1857.
I have tried , most of the day to find a connection with the Martin family....and I can't. Will have a go now to connect with the Wilson's........Or even the Oxberry's
Regards
JeannieR
ps. If Perth has the information correct, Jane cannot have been living with Mr Oxberry at York , and in Houghton le Spring.
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hi
jane fletcher born abt 1831 pickering or york
marries thomas oxberry june 1896 in york
Are you saying that Jane was 65 years old when she married? :o
or was it a second marriage or have you missed a generation?
Bee
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hi
jane fletcher born abt 1831 pickering or york
marries thomas oxberry june 1896 in york
Are you saying that Jane was 65 years old when she married? :o
or was it a second marriage or have you missed a generation?
Bee
:)
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hi
you seem to have hit the same probs as me jeannie,it is very confusing.
bee it was a second marriage for thomas oxberry and yes jane was 65 ish. she died in 1910 aged 80 according to the death index on freebm
just found it ;D ;D there is a marriage in dec 1883 for william wilson to jane goodall.
so
jane goodall marries william fletcher in 1857 he dies and jane marries william wilson in 1883. she has changed her age in the 1881 census by 10 years. then she marries thomas oxberry in 1896 all though and this is the tricky bit this marriage is registered before the death of william wilson.
can you find what happened to the step son john goodall from the 1861 census.
thanks
its time for work now will have a look when i get home
perth :) :)
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Didn't do that well !!
No , I think that Jane Goodall , was the daughter of Diana L Webster , nee Goodall , Diana appears on the 1861 census as "mother" age 49 , with Jane and her husband William Fletcher
Jane Goodall , married William Fletcher at York in 1857 . She appears to have a 6 year old son John Goodall in 1861 . I have not looked into William Fletchers death , as yet .
Jane is a 61 year old house keeper, at the home of William Wilson on the 1891 , and marries Thomas Oxberry in 1896. Her second marriage......
There was a son from her marriage to William Fletcher , George Henry , born c1867
I cannot establish a connection with the Martin family though
JeannieR
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Perth.......
I THINK this is John Goodall on the 1901 census......
5 Apollo Street, St Lawrence and St Nicholas , York
John Goodall / head / age 47 / Machine Driller N.E.R / born York
Julia Goodall / wife / age 40
Lily Goodall / daughter / age 15 / chocolate confectioner
Eva / daughter / age 12
Arthur / son / age 9
William / son / age 3
Mary / daughter / age 7 months
All were born at York
On the 1881 census George Fletcher is a 14 year old butcher, living with the Lofthouse family at 15 New York Street , York
RG11 4720 66 3
Enjoy your day at work
JeannieR
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hi jeannie
thanks for your help so far
what we have so far then is
in 1848 dinah goodall marries mark webster
in 1851 they are in york and have jane blakely living with them shown as an aunt
in 1855 there is a christening for john goodall mother jane goodall
in 1857 jane goodall marries william fletcher, jane's father is shown as george goodall.
in 1861 william fletcher are living in hound st york and dinah webster is living with them also step son john goodall
in 1871 william and jane, son george henry 4 and dinah webster are living in lawrence st york. 4 doors away lives william wilson and his family. 3 doors away live the martin family.
in 1881 dinah webster is in york workhouse.
there is a jane f living with william wilson in copelands yard cottage, they have 2 boarders staying with them.
if this is the same jane then she has put the wrong age on this census
in 1883 there is a marriage for jane goodall to william wilson at escrick a village just out side york.
in 1891 william wilson and jane fletcher both shown as married are living in 62 elmwood st york.
there is a family called clark living with them and john martin 16 a nephew.
john in 1881 is shown as a son to the family that william lived next door to and jane 3 doors away in 1871
there is a marriage for jane fletcher to thomas oxberry june q 1896
there is a death for william wilson sep q 1896
in 1901 jane and thomas oxberry are living at 62 elmwood st york also there is thomas oxberry 18 grandson, richard scott nephew 26 and jane martin niece 12.
if it is the same jane all the way through, i cant find deaths for her husbands before she got remarried.
i cant find jane or dinah her mother in 1841
perth :) :)
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Hello Again.....
I have searched and better searched for Dinah and Jane on the 1841 with no Luck.
My thoughts are.......
Jane is Dinah's illegitimate daughter . Dinah may have been sent away to Pickering to give birth, but brought Jane up elsewhere...
Dinah marries Mark Webster , I think he died c1853 , which is why mum is living with Jane and William on the 1861/1871 census
I think that John Goodall , was also illegitimate.
I am not certain that the Jane F living with William Wilson on the 1881 , is your girl . Why would she revert to her previous married name on the 1891 census ? I will try to find this marriage , and the death of Jane F
The marriage for William Wilson to Jane Goodall in 1883 at Escrick , is not relevent at all . The Jane who married was born at Escrick c1864 and is living with her William , at North Ferriby in 1891.
I think we have the "correct" Jane Fletcher in 1891 , but she is just a housekeeper. If William was ill , perhaps she married Mr Oxberry , to give her a home . I also think we should find William Fletchers death......
Still can't see where the Martin's fit in!! Perhaps they just took pity on the family .
I must do my ironing now, but will see what else I can find later.
Regards
Jeannie
Have you got the marriage certificate for jane and William 1857 ? If not , how did you know her father was George Goodall ?
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im glad your picking holes in it jeannie, the father came from the marriage of jane to william wilson. its on igi.
i am sending for the cert for jane and thomas
i could go with you on the martin family if they were just on the 1891 census but they are on the 1901 aswell, if they where related to william wilson as i think they are why is jane martin shown as a niece when william has by all probability been dead for 5 years.
dinah was from fairburn and christened in ledsham 12/1/1812 father charles goodall
perth :) :)
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Perth.......
Just going to say g'day to my poor husband !
I have also found the baptism of Dinah , father Charles....but she too was illegitimate !!
I am not very technical , but will have a go at copying the parish record tomorrow.....
I will see about the Martins also.....There will be a clue somewhere, and I will try a different census transcription...not everything is on IGI and Ancestry.......
Now for a tinnie!
Regards
JeannieR
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Hi Martyn.......
Hopefully , there should be a attached image.........
That do's not look very good to me.......I would be happy to send by email, if you ket me have your address
JeannieR
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hi
thanks for the image jeannie. i had forgot that ancestry had some parish records online.
i will send for the first cert and see what happens.
im off on hols now for the next 9 days ;D ;D
perth :) :)
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so
i have the marriage cert for thomas and jane
thomas looks like the right one definately
jane is shown as a widow, father john goodall chimney sweep, deceased.
the 2 witness's are w wilson and fanny wilson
it doesnt give any other names for jane from her previous marriage.
at least we know her name is probably goodall.
perth :) :)
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Hi Perth.....
Hope you had a good holiday..
My thinking is, that Jane made up her father's name and occupation for her marriage certificate. It was quite common, if some one was illigitemate....
We have her mother, Dinah , base born daughter of Charles. Dinah must have given birth herself , when she was about 18 years old. Had she married the father , Jane's surname would not have been Goodall. It would be interesting to know , what name and occupation , she gave for her father , when she married William Fletcher in 1857 ( York / Dec 1857 / vol 9d page 74 )
I am sure that the Jane Blackley on the 1851 census , living with Mark and Dinah Webster , is our girl. I wonder where that surname came from ? I just wish I could find Dinah or Jane on the 1841 census.
I will give it another whirl .
Regards
JeannieR
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from the parish records for dinah's christening it gives her father as charles goodall, for her wedding to mark webster it shows her father as joseph goodhall.
i'd like to know who the mother was.
im going to try and find the witness's from her wedding to thomas and see if that can reveal anything
perth :) :)
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hi
further to the last lot of lookups.
in 1861 jane is with william fletcher in leeds. also there are john goodall and dinah webster
there is a death for john in 1862 that matches this john goodall.
in 1871 jane is with william fletcher in york. also there is son george henry and mother dinah webster
there is a death for george in york 1872 that matches.
in 1881 dinah is in the work house in york
im now not sure where william or jane are in 1881
in 1891 jane is with william wilson in york. i am now sure that jane is the housekeeper for william wilson.
i have found william fletcher in the york workhouse.
in 1896 jane marries thomas oxberry, the witness's are w wilson and fanny wilson
the only problem so far is that i cant find a death for william fletcher until 1897 that matches jane's first husband.
in 1901 thomas and jane are living in the house that william wilson was living in in 1891.
on a review of thomas's first marriage one of the witness's was william fletcher. it would be too much of a coincidence for it to be a different william fletcher.
all i need now are jane in the census in 1841/1851 and william and jane in 1881.
regards
perth :) :)