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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: weed on Monday 10 November 08 16:32 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information about my great grandfather and I wondered if anyone could help. all I know is that his name is William Gray and he died in
Bo,ness on or about the 26th of November 1950, any help would be gratefully received.sorry about the first post
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Welcome to RC.
There is only 1 William Gray that died in W Lothian in 1950 age 78.
That was in Linlithgow. GROS reference 668/00 0069
The only place you can get a copy of the record online would be through ScotlandsPeople
It'll cost you £10 to order so non't order it unless your sure its him.
I'll look for the birth.
Dave
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We need to narrow it down a bit to find birth.
Do you know when and where he was born?
SP address is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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thanks for your interest , anything else I have is debatable and it is thought he was an Ayeshire man possibly Kilmarnock ?
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You could be in luck!
Between 1871 and 1873 there is only 1 William Gray born in the whole of Ayrshire.
He was born 1872 in Kilmarnock. Ties in with age of man that died in W Lothian in 1950.
GROS reference 597/00 0338
It would cost you 5 credits (£1) to view on SP. Minimum purchase is 30 credits (£6) but if you are starting out on tracing Scottish rellies, you'll use that in no time.
Unless you can visit Register House in Edinburgh or The Mitchell or Park Circus in Glasgow, you'll have to use SP.
If you need guidance, I'm happy to try and help.
Dave
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Do you know great grandmother's name or have her marriage to William? The marriage record will show their parents names which will confirm if we have the correct person.
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Thanks again Dave,It sounds right and I will go into the scottish site as my wife is showing an interest as well. My great grandmother died in Coatbridge 1896 her name was Helen Dingwall but he married again in Bo,ness but her name I do not know. Thanks again. OJ
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Did you make any progress?
Dave
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HI Dave, sorry for not replying promptly but my other half has been active on the same ID you may have noticed. I have made a little progress with W Gray,
his second wife was Agnes Hastings who died before him.In the 1881 cencus
I find him in an institution called " st Marnock street reformarey kilmarnock "and no sign of his parents. he is 8 years old so I am well confused . ? did they die or what. OJ
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Have you checked his marriage cert to Helen Dingwall to see what it says about his parents? Were they John Gray and Margaret McKenna who had the following children:
1. HUGH GRAY Birth: 29 NOV 1867 Kilmarnock
2. JAMES GRAY Birth: 09 JAN 1870 Kilmarnock
3. WILLIAM GRAY Birth: 09 APR 1872 Kilmarnock - mother showing as McKerron
4. JOHN RUSSELL GRAY Birth: 18 MAY 1874 Kilmarnock
The parents' marriage (if the right couple) shows on IGI as a submitted entry:
JOHN RUSSELL GRAY
Parents: HUGH GRAY and MARGARET RUSSELL
Spouse: MARGARET MC KENNA
Marriage: 05 AUG 1867 in Kilmarnock
Husband Age at Marriage: 20
Wife Age at Marriage: 16
Their 1871 census entry:
John Gray 21, coal miner, b. Kilmarnock
Margh Mck Gray 19, b. Kilmarnock
James Gray 1, b. Kilmarnock
Address: 10 College Wynd, Kilmarnock
Alongside that 1881 entry for a William Gray, 8, is also a James aged 12 also born Kilmarnock.
Monica :)
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There is a possible death showing in Kilmarnock in 1875 for a John Gray b. 1848 - maybe James' father? Can't see a corresponding death for mother Margaret up to 1881 though :-\
Monica
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Ahhh.....found Margaret in 1881 I think....
Margeret McKenna Or Gray, 27, Bonnet Knitter, b. Kilmarnock showing at Her Majesty's Pleasure at - Prisoner at 9 Bath Place Prison, Ayr.
Monica
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Can't see anything for mother Margaret's 'crime' at the National Archives of Scotland site which carries some details of criminal proceedings.
I think in your position I would investigate poor relief applications for the children James and William leading up to their time at the Ragged and Industrial School in Kilmarnock. There was a recent post on the school not very long ago www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,341203.0.html
As you will see, the actual records for the school look to have been destroyed :'( but the way to proceed may be through the poor relief application route. Unfortunately with the current relocation of offices for the Ayrshire Archives, you may have to wait some months to proceed down this route.
Have a look at the link for the Mitchell Library to see what these poor relief records may contain, fascinating film :)
Monica
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That's a long stint for mother Margaret :o. She still shows as a prisoner in 1891:
Margaret Grey, 38, Bonnet Knitter, b. Kilmarnock Prisoner at H M Prison Bath Place , Ayr.
Can't easily see an entry for Margaret in 1901.
There is a death showing for a Margaret Gray/McKenna b. 1853 in 1906 in Irvine which might be worthwhile you checking out. From William's two marriage certs., did parents show as alive/deceased?
Monica
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This looks like William boarding in 1891:
David Lindsay 31, coal miner, b. Coatbridge
Elizabeth Lindsay 27, b. Boness, Linlithgow
Nellie Lindsay6
Agnes Lindsay 4
David Lindsay 2
Wm Gray 18, boarder, coal miner, b. Kilmarnock
Address: 166 Buchanna St, Coatbridge
In 1901, looks like he is boarding with his brother James:
James Gray 31, coal miner, b. Kilmarnock
Elizabeth Gray 27, b. Kilmarnock
Mary Gray 16, daughter (age may be mistranscribed?), b. Kilmarnock
William Gray 9, b. Kilmarnock
James Gray Junr 7, b. Kilmarnock
William Gray 28. boarder, coal miner, b. Kilmarnock
Address: 28 Green Street, Kilmarnock
There are a number of lodgers also showing at the same address.
Were there any children from his marriage to Helen in Coatbridge? The original image would confirm his marital status.
Monica
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Hi Monica thank you for the very interesting Info you have given me.
Mary Gray was Born 1894 in Coatbridge Lanarkshire,
Helen her mother Died in Childbirth and her father
William Gray Re-Married Agnes Hastings in Bo'Ness
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Hi Weed
So the Mary Gray, 16, in the 1901 census, who I thought may have had her age mis-transcribed is likely to be Willam's daughter, age 6?
Monica
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Sorry to drag up an old post, but I'm quite sure that part of the Gray family mentioned are also part of my Family Tree, with Hugh Gray and Margaret Russell being my Great, Great, Great, Grand Parents on my father's side.
I'm hoping that Weed or MonicaL may be able to confirm or refute this.
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Hi rds60h
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I am not connected to the family but had been helping out Weed with some info. Hopefully they will be back in touch here.
Monica
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OK Monica, Thank you for replying.
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Might help in the meantime if you added the descendants you have from Hugh and Margaret. If Weed is not back on, others may in time be connected too.
Just make sure you stop at the point of any living people. RC do not encourage details on people who may still be living. RC appreciate any research of those truly deceased ::) ;)
Monica