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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: flight engineer on Monday 10 November 08 19:21 GMT (UK)
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This is a very interesting history, I would like to have more information on this family. Which is their origin in Italy? -When they arrived to UK?
Who were? -Who their descendants that possess the Coffee and Snaks street bars on 46 Pow street Workington Cumbria whose initials are “H” and “R?”
Thank you. F/E
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No doubt you have already seen this article but it maybe of intrest to anyone looking at the Tognarelli's Ice Cream.
http://www.wtht.co.uk/vehicles/ice/ice.htm
http://www.petergould.co.uk/local_transport_history/fleetlists/tognarelli1.htm
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Hi f/e
Looking at the census returns they seem to have appeared in the 1880s - there is an entry for an Angelina Tognarelli, Ice cream maker, aged 43 in Sheffield in 1891 but I cannot see the name in 1881 or earlier.
RG12/3822/59/49
60 Little Pond St
Angelina Tognarelli, Ice cream maker, aged 43 in Sheffield
with Lea, her son aged 8, born Newcastle, her father Louis Lazzarina, 67, born Italy and niece Clementina Lazzerina, 9, born Lincoln.
(There is a place in Italy given in the place of birth - it looks like Instan? but that does not sound right. - might have to do a screen shot and post it for others to interpret)
More later this evening
Regards
Nell
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Se this previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,337389.0.html
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Hi have you seen an earlier post by Claire31. One of our rels Elizabeth Fagan married a Tognarelli. Cass
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Here is the link to Claire31's post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,323887.0.html
Andrea
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My last name is Tognarelli. I live in Workington. Even though I am quite young I have done some research with my aunt. The Tognarelli's are from Barga in Tuscany and some of the family moved to Britain towards the end of the 1800s. My side of the family owned some cafe s in finckle street as well as Station Road and we owned cafe s in other areas. The other side of my family owned other cafe s of witch one cafe still exists called Tognarelli's cafe. H and R stands for Harry and Renzo two brothers who lived in Workington and owned a ice cream factory opposite where the courts now are in Workington. My family went from Barga to Glasgow in a time when the harvest was bad and from Glasgow they moved to Whitehaven then finally to Workington. Other members moved down south and had a bus company my grandad called the Toggie who owned it the boss. Be careful looking at the census for 1911 as they have missed spelt Tognarelli for one person caus they could not read his handwriting. I hope this will help I will try to answer any other questions you may have.
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Hi Toggie
Welcome to Rootschat!
How fascinating!
I'm n ot related but I enjoyed reading about them.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Thanks if u don't mind me asking why do you find my family interesting if you have no ties to us
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Just because they've travelled and survived like some of mine I'm trying to find out more about and because I live in the area and grew up here and saw the cafes.
Best wishes
Emms
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Thanks if u don't mind me asking why do you find my family interesting if you have no ties to us
Hi Toggie & welcome to RootsChat
Many of us find other people's families just as interesting as our own - sometimes more so! We can learn all sorts of social history from a different section of society
That's why we are willing to help search for someone else's rellies. Especially if ours are giving us a hard time!
Linda :) :)
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I remember taking my daughters to Tognarellis in Kendal when they were small.
Later it became a safe meeting place for young teenagers.
It closed in the late 80s or earlt 90s.
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Ok I hope u find out about your family with out too much trouble
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Hi, I was really interested in what Toggie had to say. We are not related, but our families have some links. I don`t know if anyone is still following these posts? My Grandfather was also from near Barga. I have spent a lot of time there. I have pics if anyone was interested. My Grandfather was married in January 1922. His Best Man was William Tognarelli. I have a photo of the occasion and a Marriage Certificate with William`s signature on it. The Maid of Honour was a Sarah Johnston, also in the photo. At some time in her life, my Grandmother (also from not too far from Barga in Italy) gave her address as 46, Pow Street. They were married in the Church of Our Lady and St. Michael.
Let me know if you are interested in this stuff.
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Hi. Bronx Piano . I am very much interested in the pic that you mencioned and your information about the Tognarelli family because my family comes from Coreglia Antelminelli , small town near Barga. some questions; what is your grand father´s name and so on. I would apreciate if you could send me an email with the pictures to my adress: (*)
Thanks in advance
Julio Tognarelli
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My Grandfather`s name was Ferdinando (Fred) Fabbri. My Nan was Maria Pieroni. My Grandfather came to England in 1912, when he was 14 to work for whoever it was who sponsored him. He returned to Italy about two years later to do his military service and got caught up in the war. In about 1972, he was made Cavaliere dell`Ordine di Vittorio Veneto and awarded two medals. As I mentioned, he returned and later married my Nan in 1922. Hopefully, I have attached some photos. William Tognarelli is pictured along with the Bride and Groom etc.. Also pictured is my Granfather far right with unknown friends or colleagues. Any ideas?
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Thanks a lot Bronx Piano- Now these are very well pictures - Please wait for my answer, I am very busy in this moment.
Flight engineer
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Silly question.........How is it that I am putting photos of Tognarellis on here? The first is outside 46, Pow Street and shows Genny Tognarelli on the right. Second outside Pow Street shows Renzo Tognarelli. Third is of Bridge Street. My Nan`s friend around this time (remember she seems to have lived at Pow Street ) was a Gene Biglia. I wonder if that might be Mrs Tognarelli`s maiden name?
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Friend Bronk Piano: Here in this way the photos are much better and clearer.
What I understand about the photos, in Photo 1 is a chocolate shop located on Pow St. Renzo's with Tognarelli´s wife maiden name Biglia. Photo 2 Tognarelli Renzo is facing the same store. Photo 3 a coffee shop called Coffee de Luxe on Bridge St., as written on the sidewalk is Fhilip Tognarelli with his wife,
I do not understand the phrase "Nan's friend".
Regarding the previous photos achieved with the help of a friend decipher the marriage document and photos of it. About the truck photo what is the estimated date.
That´s all , thanks.
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The Sheffield Evening Telegraph, 17 July 1891, rported the case of "Tognarelli v Warburton".
Luigi Tognarelli, "... ice cream dealer and plaster figure maker ..." had been very seriously injured at his premises in Little Pond Street on "... 12 Sept (1890) when the adjacent building fell in ...". He was making a claim for loss of earnings and stated "He had been sending his savings over 10 years to his brother in law in Italy".
1891 Census Louigi Tognarelli, Patient, Marr, 42, General Labourer, b. Italy
Address - 127 Public Hospital and Dispensary, West Street, Sheffield
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flight engineer, I am not sure if the Genny Tognarelli in the photo was my Grandmother`s friend. At about this time, possibly 1920 to 1925, my Grandmother had a friend by the name of Gene or Genny Biglia. Either spelling would be used.
The photo of my Grandfather with the horse and cart, would also be 1920 to 1925, but this is a guess. I have added the front and back of a picture postcard that people used to give each other in those days. As you can see, it is addressed to Miss Meri Pieroni, 46 Pow Street. I do not know who Maggie is who sent the card. My Grandmother was Maria Pieroni, but also called Mary. This card will have been a Christmas before 1922, as she married my Grandfather in that year. Maggie will have been English, or the card would have said "Buon Natale e felice anno nuovo".
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Very interesting your information Hannes teulu, thank you very much.
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My great aunty norah (Mills) used to live in Hawesmead Drive, Kendal and her neighbours were Norma and Tony Tognarelli and their two daughters. They ran the icecream shop in Kendal. I believe they moved to Lancaster eventually.
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Thaks a lot Carol, is not the same family that I looked for
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I came across this thread by chance.
There are quite a number of mentions of John Robert Tognarelli in Bolton where he was in the motor trade and had a bus company as well as the usual ice cream parlours. There is a photograph of a couple of his buses in the 1920
A History of the Motor Trade in Bolton
Denis O'Connor
Published by Neil Richardson
ISBN 978 185216 166 8
It is available from the M&LFHS (http://www.bookshop.mlfhs.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_14&products_id=112&zenid=6db7b7510a86a3bdef898f70b5b72902)
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Hi
It's been ages since I last posted anything on this page. I'm not sure if anyone is still looking at it. I personally don't have any photos but if anyone is looking for anything particular I can ask my grandfather.
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Hi Toggie, I have wondered where you had gone. I am convinced our families are linked in some way, historically. I have posted quite a few photos, including Tognarelli ones and my own Fabbri ones. Would your Grandfather be able to shed any light on the link? William Tognarelli was my Grandfather`s Best Man and I`m pretty sure that is my Nan in the doorway. I also contacted a family in Keswick who were interested, so I sent photos, but they never replied. Any info you can find out would be great. The photos I have posted are on this thread, further "up".
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My great uncle created a rather basic family tree that only looked at my side of the Tognarelli line. I will try and get a copy to post on the site. As to your mention of a William Tognarelli there is one on the tree who was born on the 21/4/1902 whether that is the right one I don't know. Will try and post soon.
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I was very interested to read this post.Recently I was researching my friend's family and there was Serafino Gonnella who married Cesira Tognarelli in 1920 in Barga.They came so Glasgow where they had fish restaurants.Cesira went back to Italy for the birth of one of her sons,Giovanni in 1927.She had another son Silvano in Glasgow but in 1933 she died in a traffic accident.Giovanni was my friend's father.
If any of this is familiar,please let me know.
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Hi I am trying to find out more information on my mothers side as her mum was a tognarelli before she was married her name was frida she came to England during war and her parents had tognarellis ice cream shop in ulverston
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Hi Fynn and welcome to Rootschat,
You could try looking for UK records on www.freebmd.org.uk or on Findmypast if you have a subscription Deaths may well show age and birth date and marriages and births are helpful too. For instance there is a birth in Ulverston in 1921 for a Frida Tognarelli whose mother's maiden name was Rossi which may be relevant. If you can give us more information that will help but don't mention any living people as that is against Rootschat rules.
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They were from barga Italy also her brothers and other relatives went to Kendal Lancaster Workington to open shops. Tried looking on other sites but doesn't give much information
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I found out that frida tognarelli that was born in ulverston Is my nonna/ grandma her dad worked for h&R tognarelli before opening his own shop any info on more of family would be appreciated
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Hi Fynn. Have you inspected the photos I have posted? As you mentioned Rossi, I have attached a photo of my Grandfather (Fabbri), with the Fabbri & Rossi & Co horse and cart. I have lots of photos of people taken in a Photo Studio at 58, Pow Street, bearing in mind the Tognarellis at 46, Pow Street. Wish I knew who they all were. It bothers me that I may have pictures of people`s relatives that may be precious to them. Either way, the Fabbri, Tognarelli and Rossi families all seem to have a common link. I feel that "Toggie" may hold some answers.
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Hi Bronx...I feel that your photo could do with a bit of TLC...why not put it here for a tidy up:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/free-photo-restoration/
Carol
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We're was the horse and cart based at please?
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It is a bit of an educated guess, so do not hold me to it, but my Grandfather was listed as living at 70 Crosby Street, in 1920( according to his Alien papers) ( 57 Nelson Street was his address on his wedding day in 1922) all in Maryport up to 1927. I also think it says Maryport on the front of the cart. It took a long time to get that photo as good as it is. The original is very poor.
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Thankyou I know celestino tognarelli worked at H&R tognarelli in Workington when he was 14 that's all I really know any info from people that has info from tognarellis ice cream shop in ulverston would be appreciated or info on celestino
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I am sure I saw details for Celestino on freebmd when I was looking yesterday. For instance there is a marriage to Marianna Rossi in 1914 in Barrow in Furness. Getting that certificate should give occupations, address and names of both their fathers. Make sure you order it via the GRO though as some sites charge more. Another marriage to Maria Lunardi in 1908 shows up too and a Celestino dies in 1953 with probate granted to a solicitor and widow Maria. Address 9 King Street Ulverston. He left £3648 7s 6d. I wonder if both marriages are the same man and the first wife died? There is a possible death for Maria age 19 in 1909. There are other births with maiden name Rossi too.
Have you seen the 1911 census? That would be very useful. Since it is not allowed to post look ups in the 1911 census here on RootsChat, all we can do is point you in the direction of the hints and suggestions here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
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Not that it helps but I remember visiting Tognarelli as a small child with my Godmother
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Cumbria BMD site
shows the marriage in 1914
Barrow in Furness register office or registrar attended
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Thank you for the help will try looking at that.
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Sounds right king street ulverston is were they had the shop
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They were from barga Italy also her brothers and other relatives went to Kendal Lancaster Workington to open shops. Tried looking on other sites but doesn't give much information
I am not sure what sites you have looked at but Ancestry has numerous trees for this family and photos of the Ulverston shop. The trees are not all brilliant about Celestino but they do show his parents and siblings and you could glean a lot of information from them. Obviously you would need to check before accepting everything on there but they might give you a lot of clues.
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OK thank you will try looking on that site
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The back of this photo says "Ice Cream Parlour, 75 King Street". If my Grandfather (Fabbri) had it, it must have something to do with Tognarelli or Rossi. If not, it`s a great picture!
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Or one of these maybe....?
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Regarding the shop to the right of the Ice Cream Parlor - "In the year 1899, Salmon and Gluckstein Ltd had over 120 tobacconists shops in the United Kingdom and were the largest supplier of Tobacco products in the World."
I think with it being a four storey building, it perhaps wasn't in Cumberland.
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:) Hi Bronx and everyone else looking to build their family history story and tree.
Bronx, I am very grateful that you were able to post photos of the Tognarelli's and Fabbri up on this forum.
I have just joined RootsChat tonight.
Have been building my Italian Community Archive for more than 30 years now, and have tried to obtain photos of every Italian that stayed in "Cumberland & North Lancashire" + "Dumfries & Galloway" since 1750 up to the present day.
Both sides of my parents are Italian, 1 from Dumfriesshire, 1 from Cumbria, hence I cover both counties.
I'm still trying to work out how to PM anyone on the RootsChat forum.
I should add that I am very busy like everyone else, but will try to help where I can in the Cumbria & D&G area.
If anyone has an "Italian" family member interred at Mount Vernon in Edinburgh, you may be interested to know that after using up 2 years of spare time, my wife & I have just completed a very accurate mapping out of that cemetery and listed all occupants including photos of all 585 Italian headstones.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...You can send a PM when you have made 3 posts...you do this by clicking onto the text icon on the left of the page beneath the person's name.
Carol
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More help and information about the personal message system here
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...You can send a PM when you have made 3 posts...you do this by clicking onto the text icon on the left of the page beneath the person's name.
Carol
Thanks Carol - have just changed my user name to something easier too :-)
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Hi Toggie, I have wondered where you had gone. I am convinced our families are linked in some way, historically. I have posted quite a few photos, including Tognarelli ones and my own Fabbri ones. Would your Grandfather be able to shed any light on the link? William Tognarelli was my Grandfather`s Best Man and I`m pretty sure that is my Nan in the doorway. I also contacted a family in Keswick who were interested, so I sent photos, but they never replied. Any info you can find out would be great. The photos I have posted are on this thread, further "up".
I'm just hoping that BronxPiano, and Toggie are still visiting this site - hopefully you all live in Cumbria :-) ?
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Hi
It's been ages since I last posted anything on this page. I'm not sure if anyone is still looking at it. I personally don't have any photos but if anyone is looking for anything particular I can ask my grandfather.
I'm just hoping that BronxPiano, and Toggie are still visiting this site - hopefully you all live in Cumbria :-).
I'm working to get my 3 posts in, so that I can send you all PM messages.
I have been checking my info on Renzo Tognarelli (My nonna is a Toggie from Carlisle) and can find no evidence that he had any children. I have Renzo's parents details (his mother a Cecchini), and Renzo's wife, when they married in St Gregory's, Oxford in 1942.
I always remember my parents taking my brother & I to Pow St to visit Renzo at the shop when were young.
We were also in the trade, My wife and I are into fish and chips - of course :-)
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They were from barga Italy also her brothers and other relatives went to Kendal Lancaster Workington to open shops. Tried looking on other sites but doesn't give much information
My family are from Barga & tiglio etc.
Hope everyone has found their answer's already - if not - let me know what your after but please note that I am focused on Cumbria & Dumfries & Galloway - I have nothing outside those areas, well, almost nothing.
Has anyone tried to arrange a group meeting in Cumbria to help solve some of our Italian social / commercial history ?
After 30 years plus of work on this subject using our (Wife & Self) "boots on the ground", I am now finally turning to the Internet.
Some of you are hoping to see a Rossi, Fabbri connection to Tognarelli ?
Answer: You may be still related but here is a list (excluding the local and not so local English element) of surnames Tognarelli's of Cumbria are directly related to in my Relational DB :-
I should add that the following list of names are for Cumbria's Italians related to Cumbria's Tognarelli's !
Arrighi, Bilotti, Casci, Cecchini, Cosimini, Ennini, Franchi, Gonnella, Lunardi, Moscardini, Olympia ? (difficult to decipher original writing), Pieraccini, Pieroni, Renucci, Rosa, Turicchi.
I dare not claim that this is a complete list ! :)
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You may find this post interesting too Paulo:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=224402.9
Carol
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I am sure I saw details for Celestino on freebmd when I was looking yesterday. For instance there is a marriage to Marianna Rossi in 1914 in Barrow in Furness. Getting that certificate should give occupations, address and names of both their fathers. Make sure you order it via the GRO though as some sites charge more. Another marriage to Maria Lunardi in 1908 shows up too and a Celestino dies in 1953 with probate granted to a solicitor and widow Maria. Address 9 King Street Ulverston. He left £3648 7s 6d. I wonder if both marriages are the same man and the first wife died? There is a possible death for Maria age 19 in 1909. There are other births with maiden name Rossi too.
Have you seen the 1911 census? That would be very useful. Since it is not allowed to post look ups in the 1911 census here on RootsChat, all we can do is point you in the direction of the hints and suggestions here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
Here is a close conflict: my DB shows a Celestinum Orlandeam Tognarelli marrying a Mariam Celesteum Lunardi in Nov 1908 - in Barrow. Witnesses were Joanne Tog. from 108 Deansgate, Bolton, and an Eletta Lunardi of 46 Pow Street, Workington.
The parents of this Celestinum Tog. are different.
Further there is an Anita Tognarelli which most may not be aware of living in Cumbria and who married a 'Gigi' Renucci. They were also in Barrow and steadily moved up the coast to Carlisle, where they settled. This is another branch of the Tog. tree - however I have not yet had time in Barga, Italy, to trace the connections.
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I see that amonst the names you are researching you have Gonnella.A close friend of mine's maiden name is Gonnella. Her father came from Barga. His name was Giovani but here he was called Johnny
If you can let me know about your interest in the name there could be a connection.
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Hi SandyJose - and to all; I am interested in ALL of Cumbria's Italian Community and Dumfries & Galloway's.
The area I am working on this year is photography of ALL those Italians who had ever lived in these two counties. I am looking to create from everyone's original photos, Hi Res photos 10 x 8 inch scanned in TIFF at 600 dpi, which is the format I use.
I then repair them using manual methods, as automated repairs tend to degrade pictures in various ways. Those repairs can take me up to 200 hours !! depending on the level of damage per picture.
In answer to your very kind offer SandyJose - I already know the following:-
There were several groups of Gonnella in Cumbria, circa pre 1960, including the late "Adelmo & Co" his wife being Catherine Fontana, and another family that came in from Glasgow in 1976 - the late Joseph G. & Renata Dinelli. I work with the Italian way of using the wife's maiden name rather than her married name in my archive.
I don't have photos of Pietro G. & Renata (Rossi), or their children; Domenico G & Candida (?) and their children.
I am also looking for specific photos of the Perruzza's in Cumbria, the Negri's in Cumbria and the Croci (Cross) families in Cumbria.
The Jpeg photos uploaded are wonderful - however, I need to have these in TIFF format and preferably scanned using my own scanning gear and software.
Everyone please note that handling of loaned photographs and care of them is at archive standards with me. Within the archive, all digitally scanned photos are given their unique folders and credits/details of who owns those photos. All photos and data are held in the archive for posterity, with the hope that in the far future they will help others connect with their roots.
The Relational Database is large, but uses a simple, intuitive Index system created by myself many moons ago, currently using Office 2010, which tells the user where and what data is held within the system, and in the real world. To give some idea of the real world side - I only have a little over 80k documents in print taking up our study room - no room for more :-(
Yes, the digital data is backed up on 3 terebytes of drive, and some critical data is also further backed up on BluRay. The 1000's of photos have almost all persons identified - though I have many more that still require work.
Each year we chose a couple of areas to cover: 2014-16 was Dumfries & Galloway cemeteries along with Newspaper stories between 2000 - 2016 for both counties.
For 2017 - 2019 it's Cemeteries in Cumbria, plus the mentioned photographic work, plus the Italian Street Directory alongside this work, and a time line directory which traces movements of all Italians listed around the two counties (Cumbria & D&G) for each family.
Cemeteries were last done 20 years ago - they have grown dramatically in that time :-(hence we are now getting ready to come to a Cumbrian cemetery near you - circa 150 of them :-).
I already have had over 100 families graciously help supply photos, newspaper clippings etc, to add to the archive over a period of 30 years & more.
Basic arrangements have been made for the archive (apparently the largest in Northern England according to the professors) to be handed over to the Cumbria Archive Services and Dumfries Public Library Archive on our passing - hopefully we will have many years yet !
Why are we doing it?
It started off as my simple Italian family tree! got hooked, and found I was related to pretty much everyone so started gathering all the info out there but organising it was tough at the start.
So took 2 years out to study Relational databases and walked away with the advanced diplomas in all main areas of IT.
We already have 1oo's of photos covering a few thousand faces whose names would have been forgotten - but not now.
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I am still following, although my main objective was my Grandfather Fabbri. I am on the Wirral, where my Grandfather moved to when he left Maryport and area. I have quite a few photos of Italian people, who were presumably in the Cafe/Ice Cream business, although I can not name most of them. I have posted some on here. As you may have noticed, my Grandmother lived at the Pow Street address. Her name was Pieroni. I believe that is her standing in the doorway as seen on two of the photos.
Also in Birkenhead, was a Leo Cecchini, who I met a few times. There are still some members of his family on the Wirral in the Chip shop business, though maybe they have all retired back to Barga.
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Paolo, I'd like to connect. I too have tons of stuff from Barga - Cumbria, North East and Scotland - Bob
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Salve,
On Monday 20th August (2018) I am going "home" to Gallicano, which is just a few miles down the mountain from Barga. I go every year to visit my relatives. I (tongue-in-cheek) tell everyone that I am English, only on the outside. Inside, I am Italian. I spoke Italian first as a child and learnt English when I went to school. At home, it was speak Italian if you wanted to eat.
If anyone wants something looking up in that area, let me know. If I can and I have time, I will be happy to help. No guarantees though........ I tried to set something up for Paulo, but Italians don`t seem to be terribly motivated about sharing history. My 94 year old Uncle in Italy only ever researched his Father`s side for example. I have been several times to the local offices to try to access birth records, but they are quite unhelpful. There are also a lot of foreigners trying to find some Italian ancestors to try to get Italian citizenship, which may explain some reluctance on their part.
tanti saluti
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Hi Both
Ironically I replied to this before when I was in Cumbria We used to go regularly to the ice cream parlours and the Peace Family run by the Italians However now I'm down in Lancashire where my family are from
However my other grandparents were in Birkenhead and on our visits we used to cross the Mersey on the ferry and go up to Hilton Street, now redeveloped but we used to go for ice cream cones to a tiny ice cream shop on a corner near there and I'm sure they were Italian. It was near the park.
Do you think it was one of yours?
Intriguing, though there was a lot of contact between Mersey side and cumbria because much of the transport was by sea and people went in and out of both ports.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi
Sorry, crossed with you there. Sounds an amazing trip though. I loved Italy when we were there and we worked with many Italians in Swotzerland..
Enjoy the trip Come back and tell us about it!
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi all -- I believe that Toganrelli and my great great grandfather came over from Barga together. He is a named on the Barga wedding certficate as a witness. If anyone still around and checking re: Italians and Cumbria, please let me know!
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I know this a very old thread, but if anyone is still around, I think my family are linked to Tognarelli too. My family, Bechelli/Notini come from Barga (and Lucca) and came over 1895ish. Gino Tognarelli is a witness on my great grandparents marriage certificate and my great grand aunt Maria Bechelli (aka Mary) also worked in the shop in Bridge Street in Workington. Any info would be great!
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Hi. The best person to contact would be Paul Renucci. He is on here as PauloHistorico. Hope this helps.
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:) Hi Bronx and everyone else looking to build their family history story and tree.
Bronx, I am very grateful that you were able to post photos of the Tognarelli's and Fabbri up on this forum.
I have just joined RootsChat tonight.
Have been building my Italian Community Archive for more than 30 years now, and have tried to obtain photos of every Italian that stayed in "Cumberland & North Lancashire" + "Dumfries & Galloway" since 1750 up to the present day.
Both sides of my parents are Italian, 1 from Dumfriesshire, 1 from Cumbria, hence I cover both counties.
I'm still trying to work out how to PM anyone on the RootsChat forum.
I should add that I am very busy like everyone else, but will try to help where I can in the Cumbria & D&G area.
If anyone has an "Italian" family member interred at Mount Vernon in Edinburgh, you may be interested to know that after using up 2 years of spare time, my wife & I have just completed a very accurate mapping out of that cemetery and listed all occupants including photos of all 585 Italian headstones.
Hi Paulo
Could you tell me if you came across a Chavrine or Chevereni among the Edinburgh headstones? My great x w aunt Elizabeth Cheverini died one Edinburgh in 1915. She was born in Belfast but her father and husband were both Italian.
Thank you
Dan
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One of my great x 2 aunts Mary Chavrine/Chevereni married an Antonio da Prato from Barga who arrived in Belfast c 1880 as a figure maker and ended up in Glasgow. En route I believe he worked as an ice cream man in Edinburgh, possibly in the employ of Luigi Fusco, who married Mary’s mother Elizabeth after her first husband Jacapo Basquale Chevereni died.
I’d be interested to hear from anyone for who. any of those names ring a bell!
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I know this a very old thread, but if anyone is still around, I think my family are linked to Tognarelli too. … Gino Tognarelli is a witness on my great grandparents marriage certificate and my great grand aunt Maria Bechelli (aka Mary) also worked in the shop in Bridge Street in Workington. Any info would be great!
My uncle’s father was Gino (1907-1964). He moved to Reading with his wife and who was a Gonnella. I’m trying to track down their ancestors. I think Ida was born in Workington but I’m not 100% sure. Gino was Ferruccio’s and Annunziata Cecchini’s son.
[I’m also trying to track my relations from Sora, Frosinone in Lazio but having less luck.]