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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Rowana on Sunday 16 November 08 20:50 GMT (UK)
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This is a part of the OPR for Fordyce in 1829. It is the birth of my G-Grandfather, but I need help with the writing.
So far I've got -
August 14 Geo Watt (jun??) in ???????? in the parish of B????????? a child by (Margaret?) ???????? in Portsoy. C????????, named Thrift - ?????????? William ??????? in Kn????????? and John Gauld in Portsoy
His name was definately Thrift, of that I'm certain.
Any help with filling in the blanks most welcome.
Cheers
Jim
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Sorry about all the ????? and the big white bit at the bottom of the page *
Must try better in future ?
Jim
* Sorted! ;)
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Another source has transcribed the mother's name as Chessit
It says:
August 14, Geo Watt junr in B.... (still working on that one) in the parish of Boindie had a child by Margaret Chessit in Portsoy baptised named Thrift Witnesses William ?Sleaman in Knockd? and John Gould in Portsoy.
A look at a map may help decipher the names, but at the moment my road atlas is proving less than helpful! I think you may need it to be a little more detailed.
Nell
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Nell, you seem to know your Banff place names :) Could the first word, from where George Watts is from, be Blairmaud/Blairmands ?
www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Boyndie/locations.html
Monica
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In respect of place name for Witness Wiiliam, I wonder if it Knockdwin (from 1841 census place names) in the parish of Fordyce. The closest I can see for this William in the 1841 census is a possible William Stevenson, a farmer from Knockdwin.
Monica
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Double post ::)
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Thanks for the help Monica
Blairmaud/Blairmands
It certainly looks like it - I just couldn't immediately see it on the map. Could the other one be Knockdurn, which is not far from Portsoy?
Nell
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Could be Nell, the problem is there are no dotted 'i' as a style on the entry, so it could be either.
There is only one John Gauld showing in 1841 in Banff, and that's a John at Aird, Fordyce born 1802-06.
Monica
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In 1851, mother Margaret is indexed as CHISHOLM:
Ann Anderson 76, Carteir Widow, b. Banff
Margt Chisholm (Anderson) 42, servant, daughter, b. Boyndie
Thript Watt 21, grandson, Saddler Journeyman, b Portsoy
Address: Over Aird, Portsoy, Fordyce
Monica
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If you look in familysearch for Thrift Watt you will find an ancestoral file for him.His mother's surname is quoted as Chisholm.MonicaLesl beat me to it!Thrift married twice,17 August 1855,in Aberdeen & 6 June 1868,in Stonehaven Kincardineshire.You will be able to find his marriage & death details in scotlandspeople,
flst
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Thanks all.
flst - Yes, I've got his 2 marriages. The first was to a Isabella Lees, who was from Stonehaven. They had 4 children, then Isabella died in 1867. He married Agnes Ann Dorian in 1868, and went on to have another 9 children! My Grandmother was the eldest of the second family.
Agnes was born in Ireland, possibly Letterkenny, Donegal, but I'm not certain of that. Her elder brother was born there, and there are at least 2 more siblings born in Stonehaven. I've been told that finding details of Irish births to be a hard task. Anyone had any success with this??
Cheers
Jim
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This is my reading of it - I think all the bits have been supplied but no-one has put it all together.
August 14 Geo Watt Junr in Blairmade in the parish of Boindie had a child by Margaret Chessit in Portsoy, baptised named Thrift - Witnesses William Steinson in Knockdurn and John Gauld in Portsoy
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Hi my name is Angus Glass
My mother Jessie Stewart Beattie was Thrifts
gt gt Granddaughter thru
Robert Beattie and Margaret Gordon
Robert Beatties father was Robert Beattie died
Sunnyside Royal Asylum Sept 1899
His wife was Isabella Watt daughter of Thrift Watt
I know where Thrift is buried.
I have been workin g on this for ten years.
Would also like to know about his other 3 children
of first marriage.2 boys and girl.
I am in conact with Charles Dorian a descendant
of Thrifts second wife in the states.
604 536 4736 canada
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I am in conact with Charles Dorian a descendant
of Thrifts second wife in the states.
It's a small world. Charles Dorian's daughter-in-law is my 4th cousin!
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Welcome to Rootschat, Angus!
I'm not sure how much of this you already know, but here is what I have
Thrift Watt was my Great-Grandfather. He was married twice. His first wife was Isabella Lees, daughter of Robert Lees & Janet Richie.
Thrift & Isabella had 4 children, 1) Robert, born 18 Dec 1855 in Aberdeen.
2) Margaret, born 15 June 1858 in Aberdeen. I believe she died before 1871 in Stonehaven, but I'm not certain of this.
3) Isabella, born 29 April 1860 in Stonehaven. Died on 25 Nov 1945 in Montrose.
She had a relationship with (someone) Cameron, and had a son, George Watt, born 14 Nov1877, who was killed at Gallipoli This is your relation.
4) George, born and died on 27 April 1864.
Isabella (senior) died on 26 August 1867. They married on 17 August 1855 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen. Thrift then married Agnes Ann Dorian on 6th June 1868 in Stonehaven. They had 9 children, Bridget, the eldest was my Grandmother.
Bridget married Munro Gove on 10 December 1897 in Stonehaven. They had 10 children. Martha Begg Gove, the 8th child, was my Mother.
I'm not too certain of Thrift's first family, as my line comes through his second marriage.
Thrifts parents (the subject of my original post in this thread) were George Watt & Margaret Chisholm.
I've done a bit more digging since I started this thread, and have discovered that George Watt's parents were another George Watt & Jane Harper.
George (Senior) parents were Alexander Watt & Elspet Davidson.
Alexander & the 2 Georges were farmers, and I've discovered that George (Jun) son John was still the farmer at Blairmaude in 1901.
I have been in touch with Charles Dorian in the US, and he has given me a lot of information.
Another guy who has helped me a lot with information on Stonehaven is Jim Allan. Well worth getting in touch with him. Here's his website -
http://www.geocities.com/stonehavenwarmemorial/index.html
Jim is also based in Canada - Vancouver I think.
Where in Canada are you, and how come you ended up there?
From what you've told me, your grandfather would have been a half-cousin, if there is such a thing, of my mothers. That makes your mother and me sort of second cousins.
Great to find yet another relation !
Cheers
Jim
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I am in conact with Charles Dorian a descendant
of Thrifts second wife in the states.
It's a small world. Charles Dorian's daughter-in-law is my 4th cousin!
Charles Dorian is my third cousin, so I suppose that means you and I are related (however remotely) through marriage.
It is indeed a small world ! !
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Hi Jim,
I moved my family outside Vancouver in 1975.
before that we lived 5 years in Herts. and two years before that ion Lanarkshire. I grew up in the Borders around Kelso Galashiels. Wife is frim Gordon Berwickshire.
Thrift Watt died 17 Mar 1919 Balnillo, Dun, Forfar, Scotland
he is buried in Dun churchyard grave has no memorial.
His death was registered by a farm worker or neighbour
even although his daughter Isabella lived at 80 Baltic St Montrose a
mere seven or eight miles away, Balnillo is right on the Forfar Montorse branch line at that time. her youngest child Davis Collie would have been 16 years old at that time.
Agnes Ann Dorian is buried in Cowie (Died 25 Aug 1903).
I have a photo of the Memorial inscription She and son Alexander
are buried there.
I talked to Charles Dorian about ten days ago just
shooting the breeze. I met Chatles about two years ago
as a result of an enquiry I had a friend put in the
Aberdeen Family History Quarterly regarding Thrift.
Charles is about 2.5 hour car ride away from Delta down south.
What do you make of the issues over Thrifts mums name Chisholm/Chessit?
Can we communicate off line from this form?
Moderator comment: details of living people edited - see below
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Hi Angus,
I think that Chissit is a mistake. She is down as Chisholm on the 1841 &1851 census records. If you think back to 1829, not many people were litterate, and whoever wrote the OPR's just spelt things as he thought, and perhaps "Chissit" is some local pronunciation of Chisholm. I've had someone who is more up to speed with OPR's check out the Scotlands People website for any previous instances of the name Chissit, or even simmilar spellings, and she could find no records with this name.
I'll send you a PM with my email address so we can continue this discussion away from this forum.
Jim
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Thrift Watt and his first wife Isabella Lees
had a daughter Jessie WATT born
1862 Feb 6th at Lownie's Court, Stonehaven
died 1863 feb 5 th same address Cause of Death Measles
and Hooping Cough.
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Thrift Watt and Isabella Lees had a daughter
Jessie WATT b 1862 Feb, Lowney's court ,Stonehaven
d 1863 Feb Lowney's Court, Stonehaven
Cause of death was Measles and hooping cough.
I am still searching for information on the other children from this marriage
Robert b 1855 Aberdeen
Margaret b 1859 Aberdeen
George b 1864 Shorehead, Stonehaven
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Can we communicate off line from this form?
Please don't post details of living people on the boards - you can exchange this information using the Personal Message system which protects their privacy.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I found Thrift Watt in my tree when I was researching my second cousins side of the family. On both marriage entries fro Thrift to Agnes Dorian & Isabella Lees his mother's maiden name is Chisholm. On his death entry this infomation has been left out.
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Hi Allan3349, and welcome to rootschat.
I'd be most interested in how Thrift fits into your tree and anything else you know about the family.
I know that Thrift and Agnes had 9 children, my Grandmother, Bridget being the eldest. I also know about Elizabeth who was, I think, the youngest, but I don't know anything about any of the others.
Any information would be much appreciated
Jim
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Seems Thrift was a notorious chap!!.........I believe he is my great great grandfather..........I have copy of my great grandfathers mariage certificate showing Thrift Watt as father. Marriage was in 1874 when my great grandfather George Watt was 21, so assume he was born in 1853...........when Thrift was married to Barbara , maiden name Davidson........does this mean he was married 3 times and sired even more children?
George was a farm worker in the county of Kincardine area and my grandfather, Andrew Watt was born in 1874, and became a police sergeant in Arbroath.........he had 4 sons and 3 daughters.........and my father was the last chief engineer on the original Queen Mary....sadly all have passed away.
I have only recently started researching this on "scotlandspeople.com" and found the entry on roots.com most interesting
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Goodness me ! !
I didn't know anything about Barbara Davidson, but you could well be correct.
What was your great-grandmother's name, and where did she and George get married?
I've found out that Thrift's father and grandfather were both called George Watt, and my mother had a brother George Watt Gove, and Thrift had a grandson George Watt killed at Gallipoli.
I know Thrift married Isabella Lees in Aberdeen on 17 August 1855.
I'm assuming that Barbara must have died before this date, but I don't know for sure. As ScotlandsPeople records start in 1855, it may be hard to find out what happened to her.
I'd be most interested in hearing about the rest of your family. I was interested in hearing about your father and the Queen Mary. I spent over 6 years at sea in the Merchant Navy myself.
Cheers
Jim
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Welcome to Rootschat Andyqm
Thrift WATT is my gg grandfather.
I had a look at OPR's between 1831
and 1854 for WATT/ DAVIDSON and found 12
records, most in the North East. but no
Thrift or Barbara's.
Between the 1851 Census for FORDYCE when
Thrift was single and 1855 when he married Isabella LEES
in Aberdeen a lot could happen.
Do you have a Surname for George WATT's wife in 1874 marriage?
Like Rowena I am fascinated by the possibilities
please keep us in touch with your research on this Guy Thrift
Regards
Angus