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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: pablo1 on Monday 17 November 08 10:08 GMT (UK)
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This family has been a real headache to research so any information is welcome. Here is what I know:
George Hill married Mary Hill of Hillmount and Ballylmena in 1797. I believe that her family owned a mill and that Hillmount was named after her family. I know that George had a sister married to a Mr Anderson and a brother named Arthur. George and Mary had three daus: one married Capt George Macaulay of the Cushendall Macaulays w/issue; one married a Mr McNeil, solicitor, w/issue; and the last dau married Arbuthnot Emerson, bro of Sir Emerson- Tennent.
The Hills must have been prominent as in the 1851 census Mary was recorded as being a "gentlewoman." If possible, I would like to find out information on George and Mary's ancestry.
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The 1831-5 and 1837-8 OS Memoirs tell us that Hillmount was a two-storey house in the townland of Craigs, on the banks of the river. It was the residence of Robert Young, a gentleman.
There was a bleach green at Hillmount. There is also reference to Hillmount as the proprietor of the bleach green of the same name.
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Just had a look at my copy of the 1888 Bassett's directory too. It has a story on page 127 about the Hillmount Bleach Green and refers to it having been owned in the previous 50 years by James and Robert Young. At 1888, the owners are Messrs Frazer and Haughton.There is a small illustration of the works on page 126 with the residence seen in the distance, standing at a raised level and with ornamental plantations around it, as well as an artificial lake with trout. It refers to the lake as having been excavated by the Hill family who named the place.
The bleaching etc started in 1710, see part of this article: http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/culture/reports/report2-00r2.htm#1
Hope this general info on Hillmount is of interest - sorry I cannot help with the surnames you have listed.
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Dear Scotmum,
Thanks for trying. I am rather surprised that there is no more information on this family floating around. Looks like a definite hard nut to crack unless I can get to PRONI someday. Unfortunately, for me, PRONI is rather a very long way from Japan. With best wishes, Paul (Pablo1)
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Just a thought, as over the years the business/property seem to have changed hands as a going concern, could it be possible that for some reason the family records of the original Hillmount owners, the Hill family, rather than say ending up in PRONI, remained within the business? Have you thought of writing to the current family that seem to be connected with Hillmount (surname as per the niassembly link above, a search on 192.com using surname and Cullybackey returns potential points of contact).
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Scotmum that is a very interesting suggestion and well worth a try. If the business is still in operation it may very well be that they have something on the Hill family's history. Thank you very much for the idea...Paul
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Do update us as to how to how you get on.
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Capt. Paul,
Ah yes, navigating the HILLs of Antrim has worn down many a tough old sole ...
... but that just makes them flounder in to the shallows, or sink in to the depths, where they can be speared or dredged up easily!
So, if you promise to leave those nutcrackers on dry land, you are welcome to come aboard my dingy craft for an exciting sail through the lashing oceans (and some murky depths!), with a promise of a "good fishing" supper at the end ...
[N.B. I might have to leave you to paddle your own canoe up past those dangerous turbines (the foaming parts of the Main?) though!]
My fee: Any info you come across on George HILL of Whiteabbey, who married Margaret WHITTLE at Donegore 1st Pb in th 1840s.
Capt. Jock
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Hello, Capt. Jock,
I have not checked this forum for quite so time so please accept my apologies for not replying much sooner than now.
If I should by chance find the right "Hill" I will be more than happy to do some
Whittl(e)ing for you. Until then, let's hope that the dusk is red for easy sailing with no storms in our way...Paul
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Capt. Jock
I am just in the process of transcribing the marriage records of 1st Donegore. On July 4th 1843, George Hill of Whiteabbey married Rebecca Whittle of Kings Moss (I think that is what it says). The witnesses were Jane Whittle and John Whittle. Is this of any use to you?
regards
Melodie
Capt. Paul,
Ah yes, navigating the HILLs of Antrim has worn down many a tough old sole ...
... but that just makes them flounder in to the shallows, or sink in to the depths, where they can be speared or dredged up easily!
So, if you promise to leave those nutcrackers on dry land, you are welcome to come aboard my dingy craft for an exciting sail through the lashing oceans (and some murky depths!), with a promise of a "good fishing" supper at the end ...
[N.B. I might have to leave you to paddle your own canoe up past those dangerous turbines (the foaming parts of the Main?) though!]
My fee: Any info you come across on George HILL of Whiteabbey, who married Margaret WHITTLE at Donegore 1st Pb in th 1840s.
Capt. Jock
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Ah, Capt. Jock, it seems that you, at least, have been pulled from your craft
and brought safely to shore, not thanks to me but to melodien. I think a wee
bit of gratitude is due here as the hills of antrim are still calling us with melodius
voices.
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Melodien,
Thanks for the details of the record - much appreciated.
[Confirms the details we have from a transcript of the front page in the old family bible.]
Looking forward to your full production of the marriage records for 1st Donegore.
[Best of luck with deciphering the images of the "missing" 1806-1821 years ... grr!]
Pablo1,
Not sure that lets you off the hook w.r.t. reciprocal HILL research!
We need confirmation that:
1) Margaret died early, probably following a childbirth.
2) She had a son William HILL b. ~ 1844 (in Whiteabbey?).
Such an individual is recorded in the 1851 census of St. Peter Port on Guernsey, aged 7, staying c/o his "aunt" Margaret DIGMAN (nee WILLIAMSON), along with his uncle William WHITTLEY.
[Assuming he is who we think he is, then she was actually his great aunt.]
Aged 7 seemed a tad young for such an adventure, but then if he had lost his mother ...
[Also, Margaret DIGMAN desperately needed help running her spirit-grocer's shop / boarding house.
She had lost all her family during the cholera outbreak in 1832.]
3) This WH was identical with the William John HILL who married Ellenor Jane Warden STEVENSON on 02-MAR-1864 at Newtownards.
[Fathers George HILL and Henry STEVENSON.]
Ensuing family was (at least):
William Digman HILL b. 23-DEC-1864 at Donaghadee
Mary Stevenson HILL b. 05-JUN-1866 at Donaghadee
Margaret HILL b. 18-FEB-1868 at Donaghadee.
Lizzie Beatrice HILL b. 30-APR-1871 at Antrim
George Frederick HILL b. 29-MAR-1873 at Belfast 3
Frederick HILL b. 18-MAR-1879 at Belfast
To date we only knew of the first one.
He had been named Henry Stevenson HILL at birth, but had his name changed when baptised.
Your post inspired me to return to FamilySearch.org tonight, finding the others. Thanks!
William WHITTLEY had brought what remained of his family (after further sad losses) back to Belfast in 1862.
Presumably, his nephew William HILL (aged 17/18) returned with him.
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With regards to your own research ...
I did have a large basket of trawled-up goods for you, mainly from the Belfast Newsletter 1828-1900, but it is currently languishing aboard my sunken vessel.
Seem to recall that George HILL, a local bigwig, featured much in the Belfast Newsletter.
[ Presumably (remotely?) connected with the famous HILL family of Hillsborough.]
Also, references to businesses at Ballymena (on the river Main) and mansions built in Drains townland, just North of Larne.
Your Emerson ARBUTHNOTT was also easy to follow ...
Will see if I can retrieve some of it somehow, soon.
[ ... but having to concentrate at clutching at straws just now, trying to keep afloat!]
Capt. Jock
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Dear Captain Jock,
Ay , ay, sir. I will not abandon ship when my captain is still in need. And of course,
a life preserver thrown my way is a welcome site, indeed. I, in turn, will retrieve my
old pocket knife, attempt to find a piece of wood, and begin once more to hopefully whittle
it into some proper form that we and others can utilize.
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Paul,
Have located the 8 references to "Hillmount" in the BNL that I found.
Suggest direct EMail contact - see PM.
Capt. Jock
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I've just posted this to the "William Kirk Martin" thread (link below) but since the information is more relevant here I thought I'd awaken this thread too.
From the Dublin Daily Express, 27th May 1856, is the “Final Notice to Claimants, Incumbered Estates Court … In the Matter of the Estate of William Kirk Martin, continued in the name of Sarah Anne Martin, Devisee of said William Kirk Martin.”
The notice has this bit at the end (Barry Martin was William Kirk Martin's father):
SCHEDULE REFERRED TO IN THE ABOVE NOTICE
Marriage Settlement on the intermarriage of Barry Martin, of the town of Carrickfergus, with Anne Hill, the younger, of Hillmount, in the county of Antrim, bearing date the 1st October, 1794, wherein said Barry Martin is of the first part; Anne Hill, otherwise Barry, by her description of Anne Hill, the elder, of Hillmount, in the county of Antrim, widow, of the second part; and the said Anne Hill, the younger, of the same place, daughter of the said Anne Hill, the elder, of the third part.
Settlement on the intermarriage of George Hill, of Larne, with Mary Hill, bearing date the 27th January, 1797, wherin the said George Hill was of the first part, the said Anne Hill, of the second part, and the said Mary Hill, daughter of the said Anne Hill, of the third part.
William Kirk Martin thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755989.0
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Belfast Newsletter, 29th Aug – 2nd Sep 1788:
DIED.] A few days ago, at Carrickfergus, Mr. James Hill, only son of Mrs. Anne Hill, of Hillmount, near Ballymena: a youth of about fourteen, whose natural goodness and sensibility renders him universally lamented.
Belfast Newsletter, 27th Nov – 1st Dec 1789:
Mr. William Adams, of Portglenone, merchant, to Miss Hill, of Hill mount, near Ballymena.
Belfast Newsletter, 3rd-6th October 1794:
A few days ago, Barry Martin of Carrickfergus, Esq. to Miss Hill of Hillmount.
Belfast Newsletter, 6th-10th Feb 1797:
A few days ago, Mr. George Hill, of Larne, to Miss Hill of Hillmount, near Ballymena.
Belfast Newsletter, 15th Jul 1831:
On the 27th ult. At Carrickfergus, in the 83d year of her age, Mrs. Anne Hill, relict of the late Mr. John Hill, of Hillmount, county Antrim.
Presumably John Hill died before 1788. The closest I can find is a John Hill, linen-draper, who died Lisburn in 1790. He was apparently a Quaker. I don’t see anything to link him to Hillmount though.
Where do Charles and Thomas Hill fit in?
Belfast Weekly News, 25th Nov 1871:
HILL – Nov. 14, at his residence, Prince’s Street, London, Thos. Hill, Esq., youngest son of the late Chas. Hill, Esq., Hillmount, Cullybackey, Ballymena, Co. Antrim, Ireland.
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From the Northern Whig, a request, 16th April 1934:
ULSTER FAMILIES
To the Editor of the Northern Whig.
Sir, -- The letters in the “Northern Whig” about old Ulster families are most interesting, and I hope there will be more of them. I should like very much to get some information about the Bambers, of Belmont, if any of your genealogists could help. And I wonder whether your Carrickfergus correspondent, who writes so fully of the Hogg family, has any notes on the Barrys, of Carrickfergus? – Yours, &c.,
L.M.N.
This is the reply, 24th April 1934. It’s a bit eclectic, but packed with information:
ULSTER FAMILIES
To the Editor of the Northern Whig.
Sir, -- in reply to “L.M.N.,” who inquires about the Barrys of Carrickfergus, the first member of this family was Lieutenant Barrye, who came to Carrickfergus with the Earl of Essex in 1573. In “Benn’s History of Belfast” and in “O’Laverty’s Down and Connor” the reference is as follows: -- “A mile from the former house but further from the sea as we passed towards Knockfergus there is upon a hill syde a large house with chimneys. It is enclosed with a rampier of earth, soddes, and flanker’d. It was buylte by Thomas Walsh, late Cornett of the said Lo Deputies troop upon his Lops land, and is now inhabited by Lieutenant Barrye, who marrying the said Walsh his wyddowe; nere which there are many other tenemtes inhabited, some of them by such cywell Irish as doe speake English, and dywers of them have byne servitors in the late Queen’s tyme.”
When Sir John Chichester (Governor of Carrickfergus) was ambushed and killed near Glynn by Sorley Boy McDonnell, in the account sent to Burghley by Lieutenant Harte, he mentions that Captain Miriman and Lieutenant Barrye “did with their horses take the river (Larne Lough) and swime over into Island M’Gee.” Amongst the officers killed was Lieutenant Walsh. Lieutenant Barrye married Walsh’s widow, who was a M’Quillan, and her son, Thomas Walsh, was granted an estate by Chichester.
“O’Laverty’s Down and Connor” says: -- “Sir Arthur Chichester granted on the 30th July, 1607, Molusk and the adjacent townlands of Kilgriel, Ballynabarnish, and Carngrany in perpetuity to Thomas Walsh at the yearly rent of £11 6s 8d.” The map of the Down Survey (about 1657) gives the land conferred on Thomas Walsh by Chichester as “four townelands belonging to Mr. Walsh of Molisk.” In the Books of Distribution compiled between 1661-1676, pursuant to the Act of Settlement, “the Towne and Grange of Moyliske, containing 4 townes,” and consisting of 2,061 acres 1 rood, are entered as having been the estate of Thomas Walsh, held in ffee farm at £9 10s from the Lord Chichester, which was confiscated on account of the war of 1641. Sir Hercules Langford is entered as the person to whom it was granted after the Restoration. From Langford the property passed to the Pakenham family.
THE DALWAY HARP
In the townland of Dobbsland, in a cave, were found several objects of antiquity about 150 years ago – portions of what is now called the Dalway harp. Of this harp only fragments remain, but they are of great interest on account of their elaborate decoration. Under the Royal Arms are thos of Sir John Fitzgerald, of Cloyne, and those of his wife, Ellen Barry. He was married in 1611 and died in 1640. This inscription was in Latin.
In M’Skimmins’ “History of Carrickfergus” details of Mayors and Sheriffs are given. James Rice was Sheriff, 1593; Richard Conlan, 1595. Richard Conlan, or O’Conlan, was son of Thomas Conlan. Having no issue he bequeathed his propertu to his niece, Ann Bunch, who was afterwards married to Ensign Garret Reiley. They had three daughters, one of whom was Marlow Reiley, another to James Riche, and the third to Dr, John Coleman, Carrickfergus. Ann Reiley, a descendant of Marlow Reiley, was married to Matthew Barry, Carrickfergus. The village of Clipperstown was Reileystown.
Another interesting account is that of Mrs. Ann Barry, otherwise Hill. Lieutenant Hill of this family was mentioned in 1597, and in 1674 (list of tenants of the Corporation of Carrickfergus) William Hill and John Barry Hill. There was an old memorial to this Hill family in St. Nicholas Church, but it has disappeared. Lieutenant Barry married Mrs. Walsh, who was a McQuillan. There was also a later marriage between William Barry, Esq., Carrickfergus, and a M’Quillan. About 1800 Robert Barry married Miss Sarah Allen, who was one of the last descendants of Bushop Hugh Allen (one of the four Reforation Bishops), who was recommended by Queen Elizabeth as a zealous man. He came from Exeter to Kilroot as Bishop of Connor. Kilroot House, which is not in ruins, was formerly the ancient Palace of the Bishop of Connor. Space does not permit me to mention the Byrte and Horsborough families, two very old Carrickfergus families who were related to the Barrys. – Yours, &c.,
Belfast A. B. C.
Does anyone know who A.B.C. might have been?
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This is the passage from the “History of Carrickfergus” mentioned above:
"Richard Conlan [Sheriff in 1595], or O’Conlin, was son of Thomas Conlin. Having no issue at his death he bequeathed his property to his niece Ann Bunch, who was afterwards married to Ensign Garret Reiley, to whom she had three daughters, one of whom was married to Marlow Reiley, another to James Rice, and the third to Dr. John Coleman, Carrickfergus. Neither of the two last had issue. From the former was descended the late James Reiley; and Ann, daughter of a Garret Reiley, of this family, being married to Mathew Barry, Carrickfergus, from her is descended Mrs. Ann Barry, alias, Hill. – Tradition."
When it says, "from her is descended," is that as likely to mean she's her mother as her grandmother or some other ancestor?
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In 1768 land was advertised for sale, apparently as being in the estate of Rolleston Humphrey Esq (Belfast Newsletter, 5th Feb 1768). It included:
“…that Parcel of Ground called Barley-Hill, with several Houses, Tenements and Gardens, now in the Possession of James Cobham, Thomas and James Magill, James Penny, Matthew Barry and William Barkley…”
However, this was countered on the 12th February:
WHEREAS an Advertisement has been inserted in the Belfast News-Paper, that some Lands and Tenements near the Town of Carrickfergus, in the Possession of James Magill, Thomas Magill, James Cobham, Matthew Barry, and others, called the Estate of Rolleston Humphry, Esq.; are to be sold. This is therefore to give Notice, that Michael Savage, by his last Will and Testament, bearing Date the 17th Day of December, 1678, did devised the said Lands and Tenements to Thomas Orpin, and Sarah his Wife, their Heirs, or either of them, for ever: That the said Thomas Orpin, by his last Will and Testament, bearing Date the 21st Day of August, 1719, bequeathed the Tenements adjoining the Barley Hill to Mary Barry, otherwise Wissencroft; Margaret (F/P)eny, otherwise Wissencroft, and Others, who are now in the actual Possession of said Tenement, and have been for these 34 Years past: That the said Mary and Margaret, as also Ann Laverty, otherwise Wissencroft, and Martha Peny, otherwise Wissencroft, the Grand Children of said Thomas Orpin, are the lawful Heirs of said Lands and Tenements: That neither the aforesaid Rolleston Humphry, nor any other Person whatsoever has an Right or Title to sell said Lands of Tenements; whereof every one designed to purchase said Lands or Tenements, or any Part thereof, are desired to take Notice.
Dated at Carrickfergus, this 10th Day of Feb. 1768.
I’m guessing the Matthew Barry mentioned was married to Mary Barry, otherwise Wissencroft. So potentially it could have been:
Matthew BARRY married Mary WISSENCROFT, granddaughter of Thomas ORPIN…
- Matthew BARRY married Ann REILEY, daughter of Garret REILEY
(See next post…)
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Here’s a connection between my last post and the Hills of Hillsmount. Belfast Newsletter, 1st March 1771:
To be set and entered upon immediately, in the Liberties of Carrickfergus, one Farm of Land called Carnamrock, on which the late Mr. Matthew Barry lived. Said Farm contains 36 Acres, Plantation Measure, and is divided into proper Parks, with Quickset Hedges, and is very convenient to Lime. Proposals to be received for the above Farm by John Hill of Hillsmount, near Ballymena. No Preference to be given to any one. Also four small Farms to be let in Drumra by said John Hill. The above Advertisement to be continued only four Times. Dates this 23d Day of Feb. 1771.
So one Matthew Barry dead by 1771, another still alive in 1773 – Belfast Newsletter 28th May – 1st June 1773:
To be set from the first Day of November next, for such Term as may be agreed upon, a Farm of Land, situate in the North-East Division of the Liberties of Carrickfergus, known by the Name of Bashford’s Land, containing about 37 Acres, all Arable and Meadow. Proposals in Writing will be received by James Bashford, at his House in Belfast; and the Lands will be shewn by Matthew Barry who lives on and takes Care of said Farm. Dated May 31, 1773. This to be continued four Times.
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Belfast Newsletter, 24th Apr 1772:
Dropt on the Road betwixt Ballymena and Portglenone, on Saturday last, a Silver Watch, Maker, William Birnie, Dublin, No. 46; on the outer Case is engraved a Coat of Arms; the Crest a Hand and broken Spear; Dial-plate enamelled, Steel Chain, two Seals; on one of them an H and E in Cypher on one Side, on the other a Hawk; on the other Seal, which is Triangular, is the same Arms in different Sides, &c. Whoever returns said Watch, &c. to Mr. John Hill at Hillsmount, near Cullybackey, Mr. Hugh Edmonston, Merchant in Ballymena, Mr. Andrew Crawford, Merchant in Portglenone, or the Printers hereof, shall have a Guinea Reward. Dated 21st April, 1772.
Belfast Newsletter, 3rd-7th November 1775:
WHEREAS on Sunday Night last, being the 29th of October, the Bleach-yard of John and Charles Hill of Hillsmount, near Ballymena, in the County of Antrim, was audaciously entered into by some Villains unknown, who feloniously lifted and carried off said Bleach-yard nin Piexces of 3-4th and 8-8th wide Linen, the Property of John, Charles, and James Hill…
I wonder what relationship John, Charles and James were to each other.
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Note on the Orpins, again from The History of Carrickfergus:
“John Orpin was a pewterer and plumber and of mean descent; the way he came to improve his fortune was by being one of the Executors of the Lady Langford, by which he got considerable, but not justly.” He died 1661, leaving his possessions here to his son Thomas, a glazier, who died 1719, bequeathing his property to his eldest son John, and his daughter Margaret Wisencraft, and offspring. – Gill’s MSS. MS.
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Bingo.
Belfast Newsletter, 6th Dec 1768:
On Tuesday last was married, Mr. John Hill of Drumra in the County of Antrim, Linen Draper, to Miss Berry of Carrickfergus, an agreeable young lady, with a Fortune of 1500l.
1776 – Charles Hill, Drumra – listed in the Deputy Court Cheque Book, election for Antrim
1776 – James Hill, Drumra – listed in the Deputy Court Cheque Book, election for Antrim
1778 – a T. Hill, Esq., of Drumra raised a corps called the Portglenone Volunteers
I think Drumra may be Drumraw, a townland roughly halfway between Portglenone and Cullybackey.
Now that I’ve put John Hill and Anne Barry’s marriage into my tree it has brought up another tree on Ancestry. It has John Hill’s parents as the Rev. J. Hill and Ann Moore. It has Anne Barry’s parents as Matthew Barry and Ann Coleman. I don’t know what the sources are.
Before seeing the above tree I remember making a mental note about a Rev. J Hill who I thought might be connected to John Hill of Hillmount. I can’t remember where I saw it though!
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Hillmount House, Cullybackey
I’ve just realised this was one of my favourite houses featured in Brett’s Buildings of County Antrim. He says:
“The Hills were among the earliest of the linen merchants to establish a mass bleaching plant.” Hillmount, a fine three-storey Georgian mill-owner’s house, was built by one of this family perhaps about 1720, probably around 1760, certainly before 1778. Shown to be the seat of Mr John Hill in Lendrick’s map of 1780, and Williamson’s revision of 1808. It seems that the Hills prospered during the Napoleonic wars, adding the handsome single-storey bow-fronted bays at either side, and excavating the lake in front of the house when “the material taken out was distributed in such a way as to suggest to a stranger the remains of extensive earthworks”. But by 1825 Mr Hill had failed; he was imprisoned for debt in Carrickfergus Gaol, and it was there that the purchase of the house, bleach-green and mill was negotiated by Dr William Young, one of the ubiquitous Youngs of Ballymena.
I’m still convinced John Hill of Hillmount was dead by 1788, so if there was still a John Hill there in 1808 I think it was someone else.
In 1827 the “House and Lands of Drumra, situated on the main road communicating between the considerable Market Towns of Ballymena and Portglenone” was to let, with applications to be made to Mr. Thomas Hill, Hillmount, Ballymena.
In 1829 there are ads for the “Bleach Mills, House, & Lands of Hillmount, situated about 3 miles from Ballymena” which were to be sold by auction in September. The ad also mentions the lands and mansion house of Drumra, also for sale. “Further particulars may be known by applying to Thomas Hill, Hillmount, Ballymena.”
The adds stop in September 1829, so presumably the properties were sold. However, new ads reappear in 1832 for an auction in July that year, now just for the Hillmount properties (not Drumra) – “for particulars, apply to Alex. & John Montgomery, Belfast”.
This time it looks like there was no sale, because the ads continue, with a new auction date set for September 21st, then 29th October and finally the 14th December at which point they stop again.
The Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail, 8th May 1833, lists Thomas Hill, late of Hillmount, county Antrim, bleacher as an insolvent debtor, his case to be heard on the 23rd May.
In May 1833: “HILLMOUNT BLEACH GREEN: the interest in the Lease to be Sold” with proposals to be received by “Mr. B. Alex. Cannon, No. 4, D’Olier-Street, Dublin; or John Gower, Esq., Roundwood-park, Newtown, Mount-Kennedy.”
April 1834: “To be sold or let” … “Proposals will be received … by John Gower [as above] … Thomas Reilly, at Hillmount, will show the Premises.”
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 11 May 1836:
Of typhus fever, at Hillmount, near Ballymena, on the 7th inst. Margaret, wife of Robert Young, Esq. and daughter of Wm. Gihon, of Hillhead, Esq.
After this, as suggested by Brett, the Youngs continue at Hillmount for a few decades. (Incidentally, Robert Young was my 1st cousin 5 times removed.)
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Hillmount House, Larne
Not to be outdone by the Hills of Ballymena, the Hills of Larne also appear to have had a “Hillmount House”.
This ad is from the Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 2nd Nov 1822:
TO BE LET. For any Term no exceeding Twenty-One Years. Hillmount House and Gardens, with or without the Farm attached thereto. The House and Offices are in complete condition for the reception of a genteel Family – situate on the Sea Shore, in a beautiful Bay, on the Road from Larne to Glenarm, within 1 ½ miles of the former. The beauty of the situation, fine air, and Sea-bathing, cannot be exceeded. Apply (if by Letter, post-paid) to the Proprietor, GEORGE HILL, Larne, Oct. 23, 1822.
Is this the George Hill who married Mary Hill of Hillmount, Cullybackey?
This could be his death, Limerick Evening Post, 1st Jul 1828:
At Larne, George Hill, Esq.
That’s not very informative, but a copy of his will survives at PRONI.
The Derry Journal, 22nd Sep 1835, contains a report that on one night in the neighbourhood of Larne, three valuable horses were stolen:
…one belonging to Mr Robert Shaw, of Cairncastle, another to Mr Joseph Barr, of Ballycraigey, and the last to Mr William Kirk Martin, Hillmount. It would appear that the fellow who stole them had galloped them the whole way to the Waterside – neither of them being saddled; and, having rested them there for a short time, he put them on board one of the steamers of this port, which was on the eve of her departure for Liverpool. Mr Martin traced the thief to Derry; and having taken a passage in the first steamer to Liverpool, he there discovered two of the stolen horses in the livery stables of a Mr Lucas, who had purchased them from a person who represented himself to be their owner, and who had gone off with the remaining horse to a fair in the country. Mr Martin got the two horses delivered up to him; and Mr Lucas, we understand, set out in pursuit of the thief.
The Northern Whig, 1st Feb 1842, a “Mr. Richard Hill, Hillmount” is mentioned in a report on a ploughing match of the “County of the Town of Carrickfergus and Kilroot Agricultural Society”.
By the time of the c1860 Valuation Book, Hillmount House in Drains Bay is still shown as belonging to the representatives of George Hill. This continues all the way through till 1928/9 – 100 years after George Hill’s death!?
The tenants for most of that time by the way were McNeils – presumably descendants of George Hill mentioned in the first post (one of George Hill’s daughters married a McNeil).
p.s. This house was for sale recently and can be viewed online if you fancy a nosy. Apparently built in the early 19th century, which fits with George Hill's 1822 ad.
http://c1415082.r82.cf3.rackcdn.com/ECSECS35056/ECSECS35056-1.pdf
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This probably has appeared on this forum before, but I will put it here as well as it seems that there is more interest now on the Hill family of Hillmount and the Matin family. I am interested if anyone has any additional information on Maria Martin, dau of John Martin of Dublin, who married Alexander Macaulay (See below). Most likely connected somehow with William Kirk Martin's family.
1. Rev. John Hill of Cashel.
2. Son m.
3. Arthur Hill
3. Sarah Hill m. Mr Anderson
4. Jane Anderson
3. George Hill m. 1797 his cousin, Mary Hill of Hillmount and Ballymena, youngest dau of John Hill and Anne Barry
4. Jane Hill m. Capt. George Macaulay, son of Alexander Macaulay, High Sheriff of Co. Antrim and the Hon. Julia Henrietta Acheson, dau of 1st Lord Gosford.
5. Alexander Macaulay (1819-1849) m. Maria Martin, dau of John Martin of Air Hill, Co. Dublin.
6. Alexander Macaulay(1849-1880) m. Emily Constance Rotheram, dau of George A. Rotheram, High Sheriff of Co. Meath
5. Mary Macaulay m. William Harper Lepper, son of Charles Lepper of Laurel Lodge, Belfast and Anne Jane Harper.
6. Mary Hill Lepper m. 1866 Richard Stewart Dobbs, son of Maj. Gen. Richard Stewart Dobbs and Jane Cathcart, dau of Robert Cathcart.
6. Anne Jane Lepper m. 1863 William Storrs Fry (1837-1898) of East Ham, son of Wm. Storrs Frly and Juliana Pelly, dau of John Henry Pelly.
7. Mary Juliana Fry, b. 1865
7. Ann Susan Fry, b. 1868
7. Elizabeth Fry, (1871-1881)
7. Arthur Pelly Fry (1873-1923)
7. Lewis A. Fry, b. 1874
7. Ethel O. Fry, b. 1875
7. Charles M. Fry, b. 1877
7. Raymond F.(T?) Fry (1880-1960) m. 1913 Amy Nevill Banks, dau of Edward Nevill Banks of Belfast.
7. William Storrs Fry (1866-1937)
7. Maud Louisa Fry, b. 1870; m. 1897 Elliott McNeill, son of John McNeill of Hillmount and Dublin and Mary Jane Hodges.
8. Douglas S. E. McNeill, b. 1898
8. Sybil Ethel McNeill, b. 1901
8. John Macaulay McNeill, b. 1903; m. 1929 Thirza Norine Crowe, dau of Dr. George Crowe of Didsbury, Manchester.
6. Ehen Lepper m. 1874 Charles Leech of Cloonconra, son of Charles Leech, Q.C. and Anna Maria Chambre, dau of Hunt Walsh Chambre.
5. Harriet Macaulay (1822-1907) m. Rev. Robert Posnett, son of Hutcheson Posnett, J.P. of Belfast, newspaper owner.
5. Georgina Macaulay m. Henry FitzGibbon (1824-1909), Judge, Recorder of Belfast, cousin of Rt. Hon. Gerald FitzGibbon, Lord Justice of Appeals for Ire..
6. Capt. Henry Macaulay FitzGibbon (1855-1942), Greystones, Co. Wicklow, barrister; m. Helen Rebecca Barton, dau of Dr. John Kellock Barton and Mary Apjohn, dau of Professor James Apjohn of TCD.
7. Lt. Richard Apjohn FitzGibbon (1890-1915)
7. Georgina Rose FitzGibbon, b. 1886; m. 1917 Surgeon Frederick Cecil Wright, R.N., son of Dr. F. W. Wright of Derby.
5. Anne Jane Macaulay m. George Hill Emerson, her cousin, son of Arbuthnot Emerson and Mary Hill, and nephew of Sir James Emerson-Tennent.
4. Ann Hill m. 1822 William Walsh McNeill, solicitor, son of John McNeill, solicitor, and Catherine Walsh. He d. 1845.
5. George Hill McNeill, solicitor, b. 1824; m. 1855 Mary Hudson McNeill, dau of John McNeill, solicitor, of Glenone, Co. Londonderry.
5. Catherine McNeill, b. 1827 m. 1 1852 J. McNeill; m. 2 Rev. John Moore.
5. Mary McNeill, b. 1829
5. John McNeill, b. 1830; m. Mary Jane Hodges
6. George Hill McNeill, b. 1868
6. Elliott McNeill, solicitor, b. 1870; m. 1897 Maud Louisa Fry (see above).
5. Ann McNeill, b. 1833
5. William Walsh McNeill, b. 1835; m. Martha Neill
6. Jane McNeill, b. 1871
6. George Hill McNeill, b. 1873
6. Mary Georgina McNeill
5. Eliza Emerson McNeill, b. 1837
5. Jane Hill McNeill, b. 1838
5. Harriet Macaulay McNeill, b. 1844
4. Mary Hill m. 1827 Arbuthnot Emerson, son of William Emerson and Sarah Arbuthnot
5. George Hill Emerson, b. 1828 m. Anne Jane Macaulay, see above
2. John Hill, linen merchant; m. Anne Barry, son Mr Barry and Anne Coleman, dau of Dr John Coleman of Carrickfergus.
3. Mary Hill, youngest dau, m. George Hill, her cousin, as mentioned above.
3. Elizabeth Hill, eldest dau, m. 1789 William Adams, merchant, of Portglenone.
4. Capt. Robert Adams, emigrated to Australia; m. 1844 Jane Anderson (Any relation to the previously mentioned Andersons??)
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FitzGibbon family--basic pedigree
1. Gerald FitzGibbon (1748-1837) m. Mary Wyndham
2. Henry FitzGibbon (1796-1852) m. Mary Martin
3. Henry FitzGibbon (1824-1909), Recorder of Belfast; m. 1852
Georgina Macaulay, dau of Capt. George Macaulay and Jane Hill, dau
of George and Jane Hill of Larne.
3. Margaret FitzGibbon m. R. Atkinson
3. Gerald FitzGibbon (1829-1855)
3. Thomas FitzGibbon
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I found the following on Nick Reddan's Nespaper Abstracts:
1824--In Exeter, John Gower, Esq. of Dublin was married to Mary, eldest dau of the Charles Hill, Esq. of Hillmount, Antrim.
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See the following for information on John Martin:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=398225.9
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See the following:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=401949.msg2712490#msg2712490
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Aha, thanks Pablo – and I even posted on that other thread of yours, though at the time I was interested in the Raphaels and not the Hills.
Can I be really annoying and ask what the sources are for some of this – particularly anything that might prove George and Mary Hill were cousins? And that John of Hillmount was the son of the Rev John Hill?
What’s your opinion on the lifespan of John Hill of Hillmount? There’s a burial of a John Hill in 1784 aged 64 at Portglenone Church of Ireland – do you think that’s him?
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Sure, no problem. A lot of that information came from the following book: On the Shining Bann: records of an Ulster Manor by R. M. Sibbett. Like yourself, I have been looking at this family mostly from a particular angle. In my case, a lot of my time has been spent researching the Macaulay family of Cushendall. One of the weaknesses with my research has concerned the Martin family. Quite a few years back I approached the FitzGibbon family hoping that they could help. Unfortunately, most of the information they had concerend only their male line and paid little attention to the distaff side of their family. As such, I wish to thank you for refiring my interest in Maria Martin, wife of Alexander Macaulay.
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I found this today:
From The Belfast Morning News, Saturday, April 25, 1863
Death of
Jane, wife of George Evans, Esq. of London, and youngest daughter of the late
Barry Martin, Esq. of Carrickfergus
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Harriet M'Cauley M'Neill, youngest dau of the late William Walsh M'Neill, solicitor of Larne, m. Apr. 24, 1888 at Christ Church, Belfast, to Charles Montgomery, youngest son of John Montgomery of Derryvore, Portadown.
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cNeill notes
John McNeill, Esq. of Larne, son of William Walsh McNeill, m. 3 Dec. 1867 to Mary Jane Hodges, dau of Thomas Hodges.
1901 Irish census
John McNeill, aged 60, land owner, widower
Elliott McNeill, son, aged 31, solicitor, married
Maud, aged 31, wife of Elliott
Douglas Sidney Elliott McNeill, aged 2 b. 13 Feb. 1899
John Hill Trevor McNeill, aged 29, barrister, single
Ethel Fry, aged 26, visitor, single
1911 Irish census
Elliott McNeill, aged 41
Maud Louisa McNeill, wife
Douglas S. E., aged 12
Sybil Ethel, aged 9
John Macauley McNeill, aged 7
1911 Irish census
John Hill Trevor McNeill, 39, Clerk in Court, married for 8 years
Esther Frances, wife, aged 32
Dorothy Trevor McNeill,aged 6
two children born, 1 living
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1.Brigadier Douglas Sidney Elliot McNeill m.
2.Caroline Mary McNeill m. 1963 John Edward Gibbon, son of Maurice William Gibbon and Joan Edith Gabbett (see below).
3.Mark Acton Gibbon, 1963
3.Colin James Gibbon, 1968
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Gibbon family
1.Edward Acton Gibbon m. Eleanora Alcock
2.Maurice William Gibbon m. 1936 Joan Edith Gabbett, dau of the Ven. Edward Gabbett
3.John Edward Gibbon m. Caroline Mary McNeill
3.William Acton Gibbon m. 1940 Margaret Honor Smyth, dau of Patrick McIlroy Smyth
3.Philippa Mary Gibbon
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Jerome Cemetery, Dublin
ELLIOTT McNEILL died 19th March 1922 aged 52; his wife, MAUD LOUISA, died
7th Sept. 1959, aged 89; their granddaughter,SARAH MARGARET COOPER, died 6th
July 1962 aged 22; their son-in-law, Lt.Colonel WILLIAM SAFFRY COOPER, who served with the
Indian Army, died 25th Aug 1962 aged 59 ,and their daughter, SYBIL ETHEL COOPER,
died the 7th of March 1992, aged 90.
Also on the gravestone is mentioned their grandson, WILLIAM ELLIOTT SAXON COOPER, who died 16th
October 2009, aged 71.
On a different stone is mentioned, NORINE, the wife of JOHN MACAULAY McNEILL, who died
23rd Jan. 1990; JOHN MACAULAY McNEILL died 10th Feb. 1997,
aged 93.
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Montgomery notes
Seagoe, Armagh--Mary Ann, wife of John Montgomery, died 1879, aged 61
John died 1890, aged 75, linen manufacturer
Will of John Montgomery proved by Thomas James Montgomery of Derrycorey, Armagh and Charles Montgomery of Craig Holm, Rosetta Park, Belfast.
Thomas James Montgomery, merchant, died 1929.
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901 census living at 9 High St., Portadown, Armagh
Church of Ireland
Thomas James Montgomery, aged 55, grocer
Sarah, wife, 41
John, 20
Marian, 18
Robert, 16
Nora Kathleen, 14
Nellie, 12
Gertie, 10
Charles, 8
Louisa, 6
1911 census, living at same address
Thomas James Montgomery, 65, grocer
Sara, aged 52
Mary Ann, 27, dressmaker
Robert Taylor Montgomery, 26, grocer
Eleanor, 21
Gertrude Harriet, 20, nurse
Charles, 19, Asst. grocer
Louise, 16, scholar
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Cool, thanks, I’ll have to find myself a copy of that book. Then I can start adding a bit more to my tree so I can get my head around it.
Are you thinking the Martins of Dublin might be connected to the Martins of Carrickfergus?
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I was just idly searching for a completely different family (Brice) when I came across this notice which brings me back here again:
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 20 Jun 1807
On the 18th inst. At Killroot house, by the Rev. Richard Dobbs, Trevor Hill, Esq. of Larne, to Miss Brice, daughter of Edward Brice, Esq. of Kilroot, and grand-daughter of Lord Ventry.
Edward Brice was a descendant of the Rev. Edward Brice of Ballycarry, and in 1831 he was granted the right to use the name and arms of Bruce on account of his descent from the "noble and ancient family of Bruce, of Airth."
I am descended from the Rev. Edward Brice, but cannot prove how this Edward of Kilroot was connected (any insights welcome).
Does this Trevor Hill fit in anywhere?
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Gilby, you and I are in a similar boat. I also have an indirect Brice connection through the Killen,McCauley and Adair families. I am just unable to solve how everything ties together.
I need to visit Co. Antrim if the chance ever arises.
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Oh yes, I remember your posts about the McAuley-Killen family. Did you ever figure out who Ellen/Eleanor's parents were?
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No, I have never figured that one out. However, I am now in contact with one of the Adair descendants. I am hoping that she will know more than I. I am also trying to reach out to the Macauley family members who emigrated to the States. I have not been very successful in that regards to date as it seems that many of them are not that interested in genealogy. I will keep trying, though, as I feel that they may hold the key as they were holding family reunions up until the 1940s and possibly 50s.
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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32572829
About the Reiley family
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Martin Family--buried at Knock Graveyard
1. James Martin, Sr., of Carnamuck, died 1845, aged 82, married to Jane, d. 1848, aged 84.
2. James Martin, Jr., merchant of Belfast, died 1844, aged 33.
2. John, eldest son, of Glenview, merchant of Belfast, died 1855, aged 61.
2. Mary, eldest dau of James. Sr., married to John McNeill; Mary died in 1830.
2. Jane Martin, 3rd dau., died in 1874
2. George Martin of Knock, 2nd son of James, Sr., died in 1880, aged 86.
2. Ann Martin, 4th dau, died in 1889, aged 92.
On the same page there is the following, but my information is incomplete as I didn't copy the
next page:
Robert Martin of Belfast, formerly of Carnamuck, who died March 28th, 1870, aged 83. Also his.....?
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Descended from or just a coincidence:
1937--Thomas Rowland Michael Cardus, son of the Rev. T. A. B. Cardus of Devon, engaged to Patience Elizabeth, dau of the late A. McNeill Martin of The Pines, Broadstone, Dorset.
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There is this family, as well; however, the names just might be coincidental with really no connection:
1901 census: of 105 Eglantine Ave., Windsor Ward
George Martin McNeill, 35, linen merchant
Annie Mary, wife and children
1911 census:
Now of Deramore Park, Cromac
George Martin McNeill, 47, b. Belfast, boot manufacturer
Annie Mary, 42, wife
Mary Alice McNeill, 13, dau
William Martin McNeill, 11, son
Joseph Cuthbert McNeill, 8
Jean Lochhead McNeill, 7
George Edware McNeill, 4
Margaret Cuthbert McNeill
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Going by the information you've provided Pablo, I'm guessing you already know this, but I noticed that the Hill/Macauley and McNeill family can also be found on the 1851 census in Larne:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Upper_Glenarm/Larne/Larne/85/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Upper_Glenarm/Larne/Larne/87/
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I've also now got my hands on a copy of The Shining Bann by R. M. Sibbett (1928). Here's the extract about the Hill family:
The Rev. John Hill, Presbyterian minister, was the first of his name to reside in the manor of Cashel. His son, John Hill, linen merchant, founded the Hillmount Bleachworks at Cullybackey, now among the largest and best-equipped of their kind in the world.
Elizabeth, eldest daughter of John Hill, of Hillmount, married William Adams, of Portglenone, in 1789. The two youngest members of the large family by this union – a son and a daughter – went to Australia. There the former, Robert, became a successful sheep farmer, and the latter wed another colonist following the same occupation. Harry Adams the last-born son of Robert Adams, acquired considerable fame as a skilful surgeon. He died later near Wellington, New Zealand. Captain Adams, the only son of Harry Adams, was killed in the Great War. His sister, Lady Glenny Wilson, well known in the literary worlds, resides in New Zealand.
George Hill Adams, M.D., Edinburgh, was another son of William Adams. Practising for some years in Australia, he returned to London, and died at Notting Hill, unmarried. Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of the worthy couple indicated, married the Rev. W. C. Wray, of Buckna, County Antrim. One of the sons born of this union, Dr. Charles Wray, was appointed health officer of Brisbane. He died there in 1902, of Bubonic plague, caught in the discharge of his duty.
Ann Adams, the second daughter of William Adams, wed the Rev. Clarke Huston, D.D., Macosquin. William, his fourth son, espoused Sarah Adair, daughter of Henry Newton Raphael of Galgorm. Their son, George Hill Adams, was identified for some time with the York Street Flax Spinning Company, Ltd., Belfast. Eventually he went to Australia, and still resides there, at Melbourne.
Three of his sons served in the Great War - Captain George Hill Adams, M.C., Australian Artillery; Commander Bryan Fullerton Adams, R.N., D.S.O ; and Wm, Ronald Adams, Australian Field Ambulance.
The last named is now a barrister in Melboune, holding a Government appointment. His brother Bryan, by heroism, covered himself with glory. The Naval Gazette, published some time after the Zeebrudde raid stated: "Lieut.-Commander Bryan F Adams led the naval storming party in the most gallant manner. He was the first to land on the Mole. Followed by his men, he bombed the German lookout, making it useless to them, etc., etc."
Specially promoted Commander for his services, and given charge of his own ship, Bryan had conferred upon him the D.S.O. as an additional honour. He was lately appointed to the Queen Elizabeth, stationed at Malta, where Sir George Keyes, K.C.B., flies his flag.
The eldest sister of George Hill Adams wed the Rev. S. Thomson, B.A. Another became the wife of James Gardiner, a Belfast merchant. Of this marriage there were two sons, James, who succeeded his father in business, and Campbell, a successful medical practitioner. A third sister was united in matrimony to the Rev. Clarke Huston Irwin, M.A., D.D., secretary of the Religious Tract Society. A fourth sister, E. R. Adams, resides in Belfast.
William Adams, son of Thomas Adams, and grandson of William Adams and Elizabeth Hill, resided in Portglenone, and was an elder in Third Portglenone Presbyterian Church. His daughter, Annie Adams, who occupies the old mansion, maintains the high traditions of her family in the educational and musical spheres.
The Rev. Dr. Park, one-time Moderator of the General Assembly, and many others, including solicitors, barristers, doctors, and men of business, could also claim descend from the Rev. John Hill.
Other family associations may be traces through the Hills mentioned. John Hill, of Hillmount, married Anne Barry, of Carrickfergus. Anne Barry's mother was Anne Coleman, a daughter of Dr. John Coleman, of Carrickfergus. Elizabeth Coleman, sister of Mrs. Barry, wed first Dr. Dobbin, of Belfast, and secondly Henry Ellis, barrister-at-law, Innisrush. Mrs. Ellis was a grand-aunt to Elizabeth Hill, who married William Adams, Portglenone. After the death of Henry Ellis, Mrs. Ellis resided for a time in WIlliam Adams's house, where she died. Her letters, which are still preserved, show that she was quite a personality.
The youngest child of John Hill married her cousin, George Hill, of Larne. One of her daughters became the wife of a member of the McNeill family in Larne, related to the Portglenone McNeills. A son and daughter born of this union wed a Portglenone sister and brother respectively. The Larne McNeills, connected with the Hills of Hillmount, followed the legal profession. A solicitor of their name consulted by the Grand Jurors of Cashel resided in a beautiful cottage at Glenone, the side of which is now occupied by James Heenan's residence. He was half-brother to Dr. McNeill, Portglenone.
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If the History of Carrickfergus can be believed, along with a couple of other extracts posted earlier in this thread, then the link to Dr John Coleman (mentioned in The Shining Bann) allows us to (sort-of) trace Anne Barry’s ancestry back to the 1500s which is a rare feat in Ulster genealogy!
1. Thomas CONLIN
2. Richard CONLAN/O’CONLIN, Sheriff of Carrickfergus in 1595
2. female CONLIN m. BUNCH
3. Ann BUNCH m. Garret REILEY (Ensign)
4. female REILEY m. Marlow REILEY
4. female REILEY m. James RICE
4. female REILEY m. John COLEMAN (Dr)
5. Anne COLEMAN m. Matthew BARRY
6. Anne BARRY (c1749-1831) m. John HILL
Fun fun.
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Extract from the Ulster Directory of Doctors:
DOBBIN, JAMES (1681/2-1757), Belfast;
Born 1681/2, probably in Carrickfergus, county Antrim; studied medicine at Utrecht, Netherlands; MD (Utrecht) 1720 (thesis “De angina” in Leyden Library); married Elizabeth Coleman, with children born 1745-9; general practitioner of Belfast; died 1757; buried St Nicholas’s Church, Carrickfergus (no memorial extant); probate Prerogative Court 1757.
I wonder if these Dobbins are any relation to the Elizabeth Dobbin, grandmother of William Wilson who married Isabella Orr, daughter of the famous William Orr executed in 1797.
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Gilby, I am glad that were able to get your hands on a copy of The Shining Bann. I hope that at least a few pages of it will prove useful.
Yes, I was already aware of George Macaulay's daughters, Mary Hill, and the McNeill family being documented in the 1851 census. But still, many thanks for going to the trouble of making a post for me. With best wishes, Paul.
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James Moore of Ballydivity was married to Margaret Gilliland, my gggggggg aunt. I’ve just found an extract of his will on Ancestry dated 1778-1783. It mentions his sister Ann, widow of the Rev John Hill of Drumna, and her three sons John, Charles and James, also her daughters Mary Given wife of Wm. Givern, and Ann Edmiston wife of Hugh Edmiston.
Nephews Charles and James Hill were of Drumna (Drumra/Drumraw) while nephew John Hill was of Hillmount. (This fits with the Deputy Court Cheque Book of 1776.)
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Very well done, Gilby! Great research!!
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Pure chance! Glad I've finally found something that was new to you. I take it you were able to access the will abstract on Ancestry? I have the actual will on my long list of things I want to look up next time I get the opportunity at PRONI.
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Hi, Gilby. I'm not a member of Ancestry. I just try to do my hobby on the cheap. Here are a few notes for you. Some are accurate, some are questionable, and some may prove to be of no use at all. Anyway, here goes:
Alexander Macaulay, of the Cushendall branch, m. 1848 at Rathfarnham Church, Dublin, Maria Martin, 2nd dau of John Martin of Airhill, Rathgar, Co. Dublin.
1854--Sept. 3, Melbourne, Australia--Death of Barry Martin, eldest son of John Martin, Esq. of Airhill, Rathgar, Co. Dublin.
Some Hills:
1. Unknown Hill m.
2. Thomas Hill, b. abt. 1728
2. Maj. Charles Hill (1729-1790) m. Mary Cuppage, dau of John Cuppage and Mary Macaulay of the Cushendall Macaulays.
2. Capt. James Hill, b. abt. 1730
2. Mary Hill b. abt. 1732
2. Capt. Lancelot Hill (1733-1810) m. 1 Katherine Lloyd; m. 2 1773 to Jane Pery, sister of the Rt. Hon. Edmond Sexton Pery.
2. Alice Hill (1734-1822) m. John Kiggell
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Ah well here is what is on the "Registry of Deeds, Dublin : Abstracts of wills" available on Ancestry. This is a copy of a copy of the will/codicils. As I mentioned I hope to be able to see the original at PRONI someday. The square brackets are not mine - they're on the abstract on Ancestry.
682 MOORE, JAMES, Ballydivity, Co. Antrim
24 Dec. 1778. Full 6 pp. 11 Nov. 1783.
My only son James Moore. My sister Ann Hill, widow of Rev. John Hill late of Drumna, her three sons, John, Charles and James, her daughters Mary Given wife of Wm. Givern, and Ann Edmiston wife of Hugh Edmiston. My nephew John Walker, his brothers James, Charles and Robert Walker, their sisters Mary Kithcart wife to Alexr. Kithcart, Sarah Hill wife to John Hill. My two nephews James and Robert Walker both of Glenleary, Do. Londonderry, farmers. My nephew Chas. Walker of Glenleary, Co. Londonderry, farmer. My nephew John Walker, Ballydivity, Barony Dunluce, Co. Antrim, gent. My son-in-law Jno. Stewart, Ballintoy, his only son James Stewart, my grandson (a minor). My grandson James Stewart only son of John Stewart of Ballintoy, Co. Antrim, Esq., if he should become seized of my real estate shall take and assume the surname of Moore. My nephew Chas. Hill, Drumna, Co. Antrim, linen draper, my nephew James Hill of same, linen draper. Margaret Poak otherwise Hamill wife of Wm. Hamill. Robt. Ogilby, Newtownlimavaddy, Co. Londonderry, Esq., M.D. John Hill, Hill[s.]mount, Barony Toomb, Co. Antrim (my nephew), linen draper and Wm. Owens, Holestone, Co. Antrim, watchmaker, trustees. My son-in-law John Stewart, Ballintoy, Esq., Rev. William Lynd, Moyargit, Gospel minister, and John Huey, Ballyalaght, gent., all in the Barony Cary, Co. Antrim, exors. Legacies to poor of parishes of Derrykeighan, and Billy.
The lands of North Ballydivity, Cluntice and Islandahoo which I hold from Earl of Antrim; lands of South Ballydivity, Carnfeog[ne] which I hold under the heirs of James Stewart, Esq., deceased, Upper Ballynaris and Ballyness leased from Earl of Antrim, all in Barony Dunluce, Co. Antrim. Frosses, Barony Kilconway, Co. Antrim held from Earl of Antrim, North Torcrum (ditto) in Grange of Killegan, Co. Antrim, Lissaniske, Barony Dunluce, Duncarbit, Drumchullen and Cullyveely (ditto) Barony Cary, all in Co. Antrim. Upper and Lower Moyargits, held from heirs of Hugh Boyd, Ballycastle, Co. Antrim, deceased. Upper Ballinlea, Barony Carey,Co. Antirm held from Earl of Antrim, Lisbel[la]nagroagh More, Barony Carey, Cloughhorr, Barony Dunluce both Co. Antrim (ditto). Ballymacklevennon [Co. Londonderry] in liberties of Coleraine which I hold from Mrs. Jennet Boyd, widow, deceased.
Witnesses: Wm. Martin, Ballynaris, parish Billy, Co. Antrim, farmer, James Martin, Ballynarish, Presbyterian teacher, commonly called a Probationer, John Martin, Ballynarish, bachelor.
Memorial witnessed by: Said Wm. Martin, James Martin and John Martin.
355, 170, 238479 John Hill (seal)
683 MOORE, JAMES, Ballydivity, Co. Antrim.
Codicil 10 Feb. 1781. Full 1¼ p. 11 Nov. 1783.
In former Will appointed as exors. John Stewart Ballintoy, Co. Antrim, Esq., Rev. Wm. Lynd, Moyarget, Co. Antrim, preacher and John Huey, Ballyalaught, Co. Antrim, farmer. Revokes exorship of said Wm. Lynd and John Huey and appoints as exors. said John Stewart, Ballintoy, Richard Lloyd, Coleraine, Co. Londonderry, Esq., and Jackson Wray, Dowey, Co. Antrim, gent.
To my only son James Moore the younger all real and personal estate. Debt due by Randal Wm. Earl of Antrim who executed a mortgage deed to me, the rents etc. of lands which I hold under his Lordship in Baronies of Dunluce, Cary and Kilconway, Co. Antrim being a collateral security.
Witesses: William Martin, Ballynaris, parish of Billy, Barony Dunluce, Co. Antrim, farmer, John Martin, Ballynarish aforesaid, bachelor, James Martin, Ballynarish aforesaid, Presbyterian preacher commonly called a Probationer.
Memorial witnesses by: William Martin, John Martin, James Martin.
356, 89, 238480 John Hill (seal) a trustee in said will
684 MOORE, JAMES, of Ballydivity, Co. Antrim.
Postscript. 6 March 1781. Full ½ p. 11 Nov. 1783.
To my nephew John Walker the feather bed and bedclothes, bedstead and hangings that are now all upon the bed in the Blue Room on which he now sleeps, and to possess the said Blue Room for life provided he continues unmarried.
Witnesses: John Hood, parish of Deryaghy, Barony of Massereene, Co. Antrim, Ann Hill in Drumra in parish of Attoghel [? Drumramer, parish Ahoghill], Barony Toom, Co. Antrim, spinster, James Martin, Ballynarish, parish Billy, Barony Dunluce, Co. Antrim, Presbyterian teacher commonly called Probationer.
Memorial witnessed by: James Martin, John Hood.
356, 90, 238481 John Hill (seal)
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The originals of what at PRONI?
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Well, maybe not the original original, or the one that is/was in Dublin, but I'm referring to:
D1080/5/36 = Probate of the will and codicils of James Moore, Ballydivety [sic], Co. Antrim.
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Here is another Hill family also connected with a Walsh family in Antrim. Related or not is always the big question:
1. Rev. Robert Hill, died abt. 1784 m.
2. Rev. Charles Hill (c. 1762-1837) m.
3. Jane
3. Leonora m. Mr Walsh
3. Mary
3. Sarah
3. Hugh
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Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 20 Jun 1807
On the 18th inst. At Killroot house, by the Rev. Richard Dobbs, Trevor Hill, Esq. of Larne, to Miss Brice, daughter of Edward Brice, Esq. of Kilroot, and grand-daughter of Lord Ventry.
Edward Brice was a descendant of the Rev. Edward Brice of Ballycarry, and in 1831 he was granted the right to use the name and arms of Bruce on account of his descent from the "noble and ancient family of Bruce, of Airth."
I am descended from the Rev. Edward Brice, but cannot prove how this Edward of Kilroot was connected (any insights welcome).
Does this Trevor Hill fit in anywhere?
Further to the above I just came across this death notice:
Northern Whig, 7 Dec 1847
At Botanic View, on Sunday, the 28th Sept., Theodora, relict of the late Trevor Hill, Esq., of Bess Brook, daughter of the late Edward Bruce, of Kilroot, and grand-daughter of Thomas Lord Ventry.
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Copy will of Matthew Barry / Berry = PRONI D300/1/5/5
In the name of God Amen – I Mathew Berry Gentleman farmer of the Liberties of Carrickfergus being weak of body but of sound judgement praise be to God do make and ordain this my last will and testament in form and manner following having annulled and revoked all former wills and testaments this 28th day of October 1760. In the first place I leave and bequeath to my daughter Ann Berry all my real and personal Estates of Carnumarock [??] as also my Estate or freehold both houses and lands in the liberties an Town of Carrickfergus which I got by my wife Anne Coleman alias Ann Berry deceased which houses and lands are commonly called Connoly lands…
Also leaves £10 to Fanny Clarke.
Appoints his brother Thomas Barry and James Duck/Duhs [?] executors.
Date at the end of the will appears to be 28th October 1764 rather than 1760.
Belfast Newsletter, 6 Dec 1768
On Tuesday last was married, Mr. John Hill of Drumra in the County of Antrim, Linen Draper, to Miss Berry of Carrickfergus, an agreeable young lady, with a Fortune of 1500l.
The above-mentioned Thomas Barry?
WHEREAS Sarah Willson, otherwise Barry, Wife of Thomas Barry, of the Town and County of Carrickfergus, hath acted in a disorderly Manner, by detaining the Money he ordered her to pay; Likewise made away with a great Deal of her said Husband's Property: This is to caution the Public not to credit the said Sarah Willson on my Account, as I am determined not to pay any Debts she may contract from this Date. Given under my Hand, this 10th Day of May, 1779.
Thos. Barry (·) his mark
Conolly Lands or Conlan's Lands...?
Anne Coleman's grandmother Ann Bunch inherited from her uncle Richard Conlan or O'Conlin who was Sheriff of Carrickfergus in 1595. I wonder if the land mentioned in the will was named after him...
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Copy will of Mrs Anna Hill (née Barry) of Carrickfergus = PRONI D300/1/5/90
Extracted from the Registry of the Consistorial Court of Down and Connor, 24th February 1832
In the name of God Amen I Anna Hill otherwise Barry of the Town and County of Carrickergus Widow being of sound and disposing mind, memory and understanding do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner + form following that is to say I leave devise and bequeath unto John Robinson of Burleigh Hill Esqr, The Rev John Paul of Carrickfergus aforesd. and to their heirs all and singular the farms or parcels of land … upon trust …
Daughter Mary Hill otherwise Martin widow of George Hill late of Larne [remarried?]
George Hill McNeill son of Wm McNeill, Larne
Daughter Elizabeth Adams otherwise Hill wife of Wm Adams of Portglenone
James Hill Adams, son of the said Elizabeth Adams
Thomas, brother of the said James Hill Adams
…My daughter Jane Adams of Portglenone … free from the control and interference of her said husband…
[different daughter to Elizabeth?]
John Adams, son of the said James Adams
Grandson John Martin of the City of Dublin
Barry Martin son of the said John Martin
Granddaughter Ann Smyth otherwise Martin, wife of John Smyth of Carrickfergus
Barry Martin Smyth son of the said Ann Smyth
James Hill Smyth son of the said Ann Smyth
John Adams son of daughter Jane Adams
Executors:
Alexr Johns Esq, Carrickfergus
Samuel Nelson, Carrickfergus
Dated 25th August 1830
Signed with a seal and her mark [surprising that she was illiterate?]
Witnesses:
John McLowan M.P.
John Legg Junr
David Legg
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Copy will of George Hill, Larne = PRONI D300.1.5.79
In the name of God amen I George Hill of Larne in the County of Antrim Do make this my last will and testament in manner following hereby revoking all former wills by me at any time heretofore made….
Lists a lot of property in Larne etc…
…for the life of Dr Philip Fletcher which are held under me by ‘Malcolm ‘McNeill, and I have also purchased or agreed for the purchase of certain lands in Drains afsd. from the Trustees of the will of the late Richard Lorimer. ‘And Whereas by the marriage settlement entered into on my marriage with Mary Hill my present wife a certain portion of the property of ‘Mrs’ Anne Hill the ‘Mother of my said wife was settled or covenanted to be settled to the use of the said marriage as therin mentioned including the lands of Drumcraw in said county the pos’’son of which the said ‘Anne Hill has hereto given…
Appoints his nephew Edward Hill of Bessbank, Co Antrim, and William Kirk Martin (Doctor of medicine) of Woodburn in the County of the town of Carrickfergus as his executors.
Daughters Jane, Anne and Mary
…paid unto my sister Mrs Sarah Anderson the sum of £10 a year during her natural life and from and after the decease of my said sister shall continue the payment of the said annuity of £10 a year unto and amongst her three daughters Jane Anderson, Margaret Anderson and Sarah Anne McCubbin otherwise Anderson during their joint lives…
Brother Arthur Hill (also £10/year)
Daughter Jane widow of the late George Macaulay
Grandson Alexander Macauley
Granddaughters Mary Macaulay, Georgina Macaulay and Anne Jane Macaulay
I do further will and declare that if my Grandson Alexander Mcaulay is desirous to have the house and grounds of Hillmount he shall be entitled to have the same as lately in the tenure of Captain Smyth with right of way to the shore by the present road through McCullions field…
Daughter Anne wife of William Walsh McNeill
Grandson George Hill McNeill
Granddaughter Catherine McNeill
Daughter Mary wife of Arbuthnot Emerson
Niece Jane Anderson (£50 and residue after all expenses)
... In trust in the first place to set apart the sum of £900 late Irish Currency for payment of a certain charge or lieu on my said lands of Ballywilliam and Sallagh payable to Miss Julia Richardson and for payt. of the interest thereof until such time as the said charge or lieu can be paid…
Wife Mary Hill appointed executrix (in addition to Edward Hill and William Kirk Martin already mentioned)
Dated 14th May 1828
Witnesses:
George Birnie, Surgeon, Royal Navy
A. R. Burke
Joshua Thomas Hawkins
Testator died 11th June 1828
Probate granted to Mary Hill Widow the 18th October 1828
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Do we know if Edward Hill was a nephew on George Hill’s side, or a nephew on his wife Mary Hill’s side?
There are trees online which have Edward Hill of Bessbank being the son of Trevor Hill. Is this then the Trevor Hill of Larne who married Theodora Brice?
I see the obituary of Theodora Hill (née Brice) refers to her “the late Trevor Hill, Esq., of Bess Brook”. I wonder if Bess Brook is the same as Bessbank.
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Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 5th Sep 1807:
BESSBANK
To be sold by auction, at the Exchange Coffee-Room, on FRIDAY the 25th September nect,
THE LEASE (of which 44 years will be unexpired the first of November next) of that much admired place, on the Shore, near White Abbey, containing 2A. 2R. 13P. of a Bank finely planted, with an Orchard of 119 Apple Trees in full bearing, and an elegant Brick House thereon in the Cottage style, built by the late JAMES LENDRICK, Esq. deceased, highly finished, with Brass Locks, Grates, and Marble Chimney Pieces, and in the improvement of which several Hundred Pounds have been laid out in the last two years, in Planting, and Erecting a House near the Sea, fitted for a Hot Bath, with Iron Boiler and Metal Stoves.
The Lease includes alse two Grazing Fields of 5A. 2R. 23P. contiguous thereto, with a good Stone and Lime House for the accommodation of a Gardener, or Porter’s Lodge.
Possession to be given on or before the first of November.
August, 1807.
Royal Belfast Academical Institution – 1821 Entries
Edward Hill … Trevor Hill, Esq., Bessbank, Carrickfergus Road
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 4th May 1825
RBAI Premiums awarded – Mathematics:
Senior Division … Edward Hill, Bessbank, Belfast
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 26th Jun 1826
Mr. EDWARD HILL, of Bessbank, late a pupil of the Belfast Institution, obtained a science premium at the examinations just closed in Trinity College, Dublin.
Alumni Dublinenses (Trinity College Dublin):
HILL, EDWARD THOMAS MULLINS,
Pen. (Mr Hincks), Jan. 2, 1826, aged 16; s. of Trevor, e Scribus in Æde Officii Epistolaris; b. Antrim. B.A. Vern. 1831.
His middle names confirms, I think, that his father was the Trevor Hill married to Theodora Brice (granddaughter of Lord Ventry – Thomas Mullins). Does anyone know what “e Scribus in Æde Officii Epistolaris” means?
Weekly Vindicator, 22nd Apr 1848:
DIED
At 6, Adelaide Place, on the 13th inst., Jane, daughter of the late Trevor Hill, Esq., of Bessbank.
Belfast Newsletter, 14th Oct 1853:
August 28, at New Orleans, of yellow fever, Edward Thomas Mullins Hill, Esq., eldest son of the late Trevor Hill, Esq., of Bessbrook, aged forty-six years.
Belfast Newsletter, 25th Sep 1877:
HILL – September 24, at 1, Dawson Street, Antrim Road, Belfast, Emily, relict of the late Edward T De Maulins Hill, Esq., formerly of Bessbank, County Antrim, and daughter of the late George A. Kirwan, Esq., of Claremont, County Galway, aged 64 years. Her remains will be removed from the above address for interment in the New Burying0ground, Clifton Street, on Thursday morning, the 27th inst., at nine o’clock. Friends will please accept this intimation.
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Belfast Newsletter, 25th Sep 1877:[/b]
HILL – September 24, at 1, Dawson Street, Antrim Road, Belfast, Emily, relict of the late Edward T De Maulins Hill, Esq., formerly of Bessbank, County Antrim, and daughter of the late George A. Kirwan, Esq., of Claremont, County Galway, aged 64 years. Her remains will be removed from the above address for interment in the New Burying0ground, Clifton Street, on Thursday morning, the 27th inst., at nine o’clock. Friends will please accept this intimation.
Clifton St. Burying Ground-
September 24 Emily Hill (Asthma and Consumption) Aged 64 Teacher Dawson Street Native of Galway 15, Grave Number 36 & 37
http://www.cliftonstreetcemetery.com/
Any connection? Trevor Hill, son of Trevor, married 1858 Sarah Anne Penny-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZM-QNK
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Ah thanks for the Clifton Street link Aghadowey – I’d forgotten about it. Were you able to find a headstone to go along with the register? I’m not sure I completely understand the grave number reference.
I shall look into this Trevor Hill who married Sarah Anne Penny. Quite likely connected, but I haven’t found proof just yet.
This Trevor was also a son of a Trevor Hill:
Belfast Morning News, 25th Aug 1869
August 19, in the Presbyterian Meeting-house, Raloo, by the Rev. W. J. Smyth, Trevor Hill, of Eden, Carrickfergus, to Anne Jane Hogset, of Kilroot.
Church record says he was a bachelor, so probably not the same Trevor that married Sarah Anne Penny.
Bessbank aka Bessbrook aka Whiteabbey House…?
Belfast Newsletter, 4th Jan 1842
On the 27th ult., at Albert-place, in the 28th year of her age, Theodora, eldest daughter of Trevor Hill, Esq. late of Whiteabbey-house, deeply regretted by all who knew her.
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This Trevor was also a son of a Trevor Hill:
Belfast Morning News, 25th Aug 1869
August 19, in the Presbyterian Meeting-house, Raloo, by the Rev. W. J. Smyth, Trevor Hill, of Eden, Carrickfergus, to Anne Jane Hogset, of Kilroot.
The Will of Trevor Hill late of the North-east Division Carrickfergus Farmer deceased who died 22 December 1872 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of William Hogset of Kilroot (Carrickfergus) County Antrim Farmer and Robert Hill of Eden (Carrickfergus) Ship Carpenter the Executors. Wiil mentions wife Ann Jeane Hill, 'Robert Hills son Trevor' so perhaps this Trevor and Anne Jane didn't have any family?
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Ah thanks for the Clifton Street link Aghadowey – I’d forgotten about it. Were you able to find a headstone to go along with the register? I’m not sure I completely understand the grave number reference.
The headstone inscriptions are in the 2 files on the same page as link to register.
Bessbank aka Bessbrook aka Whiteabbey House…?
Belfast Newsletter, 4th Jan 1842
On the 27th ult., at Albert-place, in the 28th year of her age, Theodora, eldest daughter of Trevor Hill, Esq. late of Whiteabbey-house, deeply regretted by all who knew her.
1861- Whiteabbey House- William Cowan
Probably this man- Cowan, William & Co., flax spinners, 3 York Lane. * Whiteabbey.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1861a2f.htm
The Will of William Cowan late of Whiteabbey in the County of Antrim Merchant deceased who died 19 June 1861 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of John Lowry of Donegal-place Belfast in said County Merchant one of the Executors.
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Ah thanks for the Clifton Street link Aghadowey – I’d forgotten about it. Were you able to find a headstone to go along with the register? I’m not sure I completely understand the grave number reference.
The headstone inscriptions are in the 2 files on the same page as link to register.
Well assuming the grave reference is Platform 15, Graves 36-37, then the headstone appears to be for a Britten family which is a bit confusing.
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Emily is listed in the burial register as 'teacher' so perhaps she was buried in plot of family she lived with or worked for.
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Some of these people may tie into the Hill family that we are researching at some point in time, so I will document them here:
From PRONI Wills:
Hugh Alfred Anderson of Coleraine, Londonderry, died 1933, probate to Lizzie Anderson, wife,
Minnie Evelyn McNeill, married woman, Charles Richard Anderson, solicitor, Arthur Reginald Anderson, draper, and Robert Findlay Steedman, secretary.
Arthur Reginald Anderson, died 1947, of "Spring Gardens", Coleraine, retired draper, probate to John McNeill, retired chief inspector of county, Thomas Knox Caldwell, county agricultural officer, and James Richard Jackson, veterinary surgeon.
Arthur Forde Trevor Darley Hill, died 1938, of 5 Flat Thornhill, Malone RD., Belfast, probate to Eric Desmond Hume Darley Hill, bank official.
Samuel Whiteford Hill, M.D. of Pound Street, Larne, died 1929 in Birmingham, England, probate granted to William Smyth, farmer.
Margaret McNeill, died 1923 of Hillmount, Larne, probate to John Guthrie McNeill, Esq. and Lucy Edith Kirkpatrick, married woman, and William Walsh Williams, solicitor,
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I just remembered that John Finlay (c. 1835-1907) of Glenmona Lodge, Cushendun, flax merchant, was married, according to his son, to a Miss Annie Hill, who died 6 Jan. 1876; he m. secondly in 1877 to Harriett Elizabeth Lepper, a dau of William Harper Lepper and his Macaulay wife. Harriet Lepper was a niece of John's first wife.
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http://coquitlamites.blogspot.com/2013/07/henry-emerson.html
1. William Emerson m. Sarah Arbuthnot
2. Eliza Emerson b. abt. 1790
2. George Emerson, b. abt. 1792
2. Arbuthnot Emerson, b . abt. 1802 m. Mary Hill of Hillmount
3. George Hill Emerson, b. 1828; m. 1851 Anne Jane Macaulay, dau of Capt. George Macaulay and Jane Hill of Hillmount.
4. Arbuthnot Macauley Emerson m. 1 Eliza Susanna Kent; m. 2 Emily Hill--See website above for part of this family's story.
2. James Emerson (Sir James Emerson-Tennent); m. Letitia Tennent, dau of William Tennent, Esq. of Belfast.
I am interested in the above Emily Hill's parentage. Was she a blood relation of her husband?
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It is difficult to follow the layout of the above family. Are you saying that Arbuthnot Macauley Emercon who married twice was the son of George Hill Emerson & Anne Jane Macaulay?
There is an online tree with more details on William Emerson's family-
https://gw.geneanet.org/belfast8?lang=en&n=emerson&oc=0&p=arbuthnot
According to the link you posted above, 2nd wife Emily was English (and eldest daughter born in England) so not sure why you think details of Emily might be found in Ireland. Does the marriage certificate not list her marital status and father's name and occupation?
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Sure enough, marriage was in England not Ireland-
July/Sept.1885 Lambeth district (volume 1d page 633)- Arbuthnot Macaulay EMERSON on same page as Emily HILL
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Daughter Florence Emily's birth registration shows mother's maiden name as Hill-
EMERSON, FLORENCE EMILY (HILL)
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 341
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Hi, Aghadowey,
Yes, Arbuthnot was the son of George Hill Emerson and Anne Jane Macaulay. From what I have read in a letter that can be found on the PRONI website, George also had difficulties in life as there is a letter from Sir James Tennent telling his son, William (later Sir William Emerson-Tennent) to avoid having any contact with his cousin, George.
I really didn't believe that the details for Emily could be found in England. I am just curious whether some members of the Hill family had moved to England as Arbuthnot Emerson had done. As this family is of no relation to mine, I have really no interest in spending money for a marriage certificate. In my case, I am just basically a Macaulay researcher who is interested in the Macaulays who are originally from Ardincaple (Ardencaple), Scotland.
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This thread runs and runs!
I see that in November Pablo mentioned Glenmona Lodge. That had previously belonged (or was leased) to Michael Harrison (1769-1846) whose memorial is in the little church in Cushendun that he had contributed to the building of. His sister Margaret (b. 1770) married David Hill, merchant, of Larne -- a branch of the Hills that has been mentioned only briefly in the thread (in spite of the subject line).
I've found only one child of that marriage: Lt Hugh Harrison Hill was baptized in Larne in June 1805 and died at Sehore in India in 1830 on his way to take leave. I imagine he had been granted sick leave from the 40th Native Infantry.
Can anyone enlarge on that? I know quite a lot about the Harrisons of Ballymena but would like to know where David Hill fits in and whether he had other children.
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Thanks for the additional information, wee Hugh. I would like to find out more about this David Hill as well. I do not belong to any paid genealogical sites, but I will see what I can find. One never knows what can turn up.
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John Moore Killen, son of Samuel Killen and Mary Jane Shaw, m. 1887 to Lizzie McNeill, dau of William Walsh McNeill.
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John Moore Killen, son of Samuel Killen and Mary Jane Shaw, m. 1887 to Lizzie McNeill, dau of William Walsh McNeill.
Just adding the image for information... ;)
Marriage: 27th April 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10800/5938869.pdf
KG
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Is this the same William Walsh McNeill (solicitor) who died in 1845 or a later one?
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Gilby, this is a post I made long ago on genforum concerning this family. My guess is that it would be the second William Walsh McNeill born c. 1835, who married Martha Neill. See below:
1. John McNeill, solicitor, married Catherine Walsh.
2. William Walsh McNeill, d. 1845; m. 1822 Ann Hill, dau of George and Mary Hill of Larne.
3. George Hill McNeill, solicitor; m. 1855 Mary Hudson McNeill, dau of John McNeill, solicitor, of Glenone, Londonderry.
3. Catherine McNeill, b. 1827 m. 1 1852 to J. McNeill, solicitor; m. next to the Rev. John Moore
3. Mary McNeill, b. 1829.
3. John McNeill, b. 1830; m. Mary Jane Hodges
4. George Hill McNeill, b. 1868
4. Elliott McNeill,b. Jan. 25, 1870, d. 1922; m. 1897 Maud Louisa Fry, dau of William Storrs Fry and Anne Jane Lepper
5. Douglas Sidney Elliott McNeill, b.abt. 1898
5. Sybil Ethel McNeill, b. abt. 1901
5. John Macauley McNeill, b. abt. 1903; m. 1929 Thirza Norine Crowe, dau of Dr. George E. Crowe of Didsbury, Manchester(present at their wedding were Sybil McNeill, Helen McNeill, Frank Crowe, and ? Crowe, sister).
4. John Hill Trevor McNeill,barrister, m. Esther Frances Duffey, dau of Dr. Sir George Duffey(she m. 2 John Haltoran Bennett of Ballincurra, Co. Cork).
5. Dorothy Trevor McNeill, b. abt. 1904; 1937 engaged to Timothy Roberts West, M.A., Headmaster of Midleton College, Co. Cork.
6. Dr. Timothy Trevor West, Irish Senator
6. John West
6. Alexander West
3. Ann McNeill, b. abt. 1833
3. William Walsh McNeill, b. 1835; m. Martha Neill
4. Jane McNeill, b. 1871
4. George Hill McNeill, b. 1873
4. Mary Georgina McNeill
3. Eliza Emerson McNeill, b. 1837
3. Jane Hill McNeill, b. 1838
3. Harriet Macaulay McNeill, b. 1844.
Elliott McNeill died? buried? 19 March 1922 aat Dean's Grange Cemetery. Present at funeral were the following:
John M. McNeill
Mrs Anderson, sister
Lewis A. Fry, Ray Fry, Leslie Williamson and Aubrey Marriott, his brothers-in-law
Mrs Manders and Mrs R. Fry, sisters-in-law
Miss K. Manders, niece
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1. John Hill Trevor McNeill m. Esther Duffey
2. Dorothy Trevor McNeill m. 1937 Timothy Roberts West, Headmaster of Midleton College, Co. Cork
3. Dr. Timothy Trevor West, Irish Senator
3. John West
3. Alexander West
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Just to confirm, I checked the 2nd William Walsh McNeill's date of marriage:
Feb. 7, 1860 at St. Thomas's Church, Dublin
William Walsh McNeill, 3rd son of the late William Walsh McNeill, married Martha,
only daughter of the late Robert Neill, Esq, of Carincastle, Co. Antrim.
This William is undoubtedly the father of Lizzie, wife of Dr. John Moore Killen.
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Surely that should be Cairncastle?
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Thanks, wee Hugh, for the spelling correction. As for the Killen family in question, it can be found in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
1911--23 High Street, Carrickfergus
Dr. Samuel Killen, aged 66, married to Mary
Their children:
Samuel John Killen, 32, doctor
James Brice Killen, 25, engineer
Mary Jane Killen [ Mary Jane Shaw Killen later married to Norman Hay Wallace, probable son of Hugh Wallace of Dublin. Hugh was a coal company director]
Elizabeth Hay Owens Killen, 21
Son Thomas, 31, [staying with his uncle and aunt, Dr. John Moore Killen who was living at 60 Main Street Larne with his wife, Lizzie McNeill.] Thomas Killen was also a doctor.
Also of interest was the fact that Dr. Samuel Killen's housekeeper was Margaret Bell McAuley, aged 73 in 1911.
Dr. John Moore Killen and Lizzie McNeill had at least two children,
Ruth Killen b. abt. 1889 and Norah born 1893/1894.
Other Killens that may be of interest:
Esther Killen, aged 20,, dau of William Killen, shopkeeper, Grange of Doagh, m. 1872 at Kilbride Presbyterian Church to James Gilmore, aged 21, son of John Gilmore, shoemaker, of ?Ballybanagh?
Witnesses: Wilson McKee and Eliza Kirk.
Sarah Blair Killen of ?? St. Nicholas Parish of Town of Carrickfergus, dau of William Killen, farmer, married July 1870 to William John M'Fall, son of Andrew M'Fall, tailor.
Witnesses: Andrew M'Aulley and Patrick M'Fall
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From the will of John Tweed of Ballycoose, Cairncastle, dated 1849:
And whereas I have been appointed guardian of Miss Martha Neill daughter of the late Robert Neill of Cairncastle and have acted for some time in that capacity I hereby nominate and appoint the said James Alexander and Samuel Hunter guardians of the said Martha Neill in the event of my dying before she becomes 21 years of age.
(PRONI D300/1/5/238)
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Other Killens that may be of interest:
Esther Killen, aged 20,, dau of William Killen, shopkeeper, Grange of Doagh, m. 1872 at Kilbride Presbyterian Church to James Gilmore, aged 21, son of John Gilmore, shoemaker, of ?Ballybanagh?
Witnesses: Wilson McKee and Eliza Kirk.
This is aunt's grandparents but don't think her Killen connected to Carrickfergus ones, etc.
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Also of interest was the fact that Dr. Samuel Killen's housekeeper was Margaret Bell McAuley, aged 73 in 1911.
Death of Margaret Bell McAuley in 1921. #285
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05086/4396128.pdf
KG
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PRONI D1824/B/1/2/1/22
Indenture dated 6th May 1870 between James Owens, Rev John Henry Smyth and John Stewart Moore (reps of John Owens, lunatic), and Thomas Tweed late of Wheyburn but now of the city of Baltimore in the US.
Whereby by lease dated 10th Nov 1781 between John Gillilan and Archibald Lusk of the parish of Cairncastle, Gillilan let to Lusk the half of the farm on the south side with about two acres on the north side on the march of William Sheriff usually called Kimmercaum as there divided in his possession containing 18a in Ballytober, for three lives therein named.
And whereas said lease was last renewed on 4th Jun 1831 between James Owens and Robert Neill (in whom the right of renewal of Archibald Lusk had become vested), for the lives of John Owens and William Agnew (both of whom are still alive) and of Maria Agnew (since deceased).
And whereas the lease is now vested in Thomas Tweed … this indenture witnesseth that … the fee is now granted to him.
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Will of Robert Neill, Sallagh, Cairncastle
PRONI D300/1/5/117
In the name of God amen I Robert Neill of Sallagh do make this my last will and testament in manner and form following. I leave and bequeath to my servant Alexr Finlay £4 a year during his lifetime. I leave and bequeath unto my wife Jane Tweed otherwise Neill my interest in the farm of Ballywillin during her natural life, afterwards to my daughter Martha Neill provided she arrives at the age of maturity, and if she does not, then to her mother Jane Neill for ever in trust to John Tweed jr of Ballycoose and John Tweed of Hillhead their heirs or excrs. I leave and bequeath the proportion of land which I hold in Sallagh to my above named daughter Martha in trust as before for ever to John Tweed jr of Ballycoose and John Tweed of Hillhead or their heirs or assigns. In case of my daughter dying before she arrives _____ maturity I leave said farm to my brother John Neill now in America ______hildren lawfully failing _____ghter Martha not arriving _____ age of maturity I leave and bequeath to _____ Jas Mulligan £3 a year during his ministry in Carncastle and his successors for ever. Lastly I nominate and appoint Campbell Wilson of Wheyburn, John Tweed of Ballycoose and John Tweed of Hillhead executors and trustees to this my last will and testament to whom I leave and bequeath for their trouble as trustees, to Campbell Wilson £1, to John Tweed Jr of Ballycoose £150 and John Tweed of Hillhead £50 stg provided they act as trustees and executors. In witness whereof I affix my hand and seal this 15th day of April in the year of our Lord 1836. ROBERT NEILL
Witnesses:
John Dale
Robert Dick
Robert Tweed
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James KILLEN (c1735-1791) m. (c1764) Blanche BRICE (c1739-1807)
Thomas KILLEN (c1765-1812) of Kells m. Martha ARMSTRONG (c1771-1859)
Samuel KILLEN (c1802-1854) of Killead m. Mary Jane SHAW (c1817-1878)
Robert KILLEN (c1840-1899) m. Catherine HILL (c1858-1933)
James Bryce KILLEN (c1842-c1916) m. (Cecilia WINDELE?)
Samuel KILLEN (c1842-1914) m. Mary OWENS
John Moore KILLEN (c1845-1926) m. Elizabeth McNEILL
John Moore Killen was the Registrar for his own childrens’ births which I find slightly amusing. ;D
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Other Killens that may be of interest:
Esther Killen, aged 20,, dau of William Killen, shopkeeper, Grange of Doagh, m. 1872 at Kilbride Presbyterian Church to James Gilmore, aged 21, son of John Gilmore, shoemaker, of ?Ballybanagh?
Witnesses: Wilson McKee and Eliza Kirk.
This is aunt's grandparents but don't think her Killen connected to Carrickfergus ones, etc.
Out of interest, have you traced this William Killen back any further? I had a quick look but couldn't find his dates.
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By the way, I believe many of the Tweeds and Wilsons of Cairncastle are descended from the Gillilands of Tildarg via Robert Caldwell who married a daughter of John Gilliland of Ballycowan, Connor parish (died c1730).
I think Jane Caldwell (c1728-1800) was married firstly to a Tweed and then to James Wilson (c1738-1810), having children by both husbands. The Stewarts/Agnews of Seaview (now the site of Cairndhu House) were among her descendants.
The Neil and McNeill families seem to have been closely connected to the Tweeds and Wilsons, probably further back than the marriage (c1820s?) of Robert Neill of Sallagh to Jane Tweed.
The Killens are also descendants of Willie Gilliland the Scottish covenanter, as recorded by the Rev. W. D. Killen in his Reminiscences of a Long Life.
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Other Killens that may be of interest:
Esther Killen, aged 20,, dau of William Killen, shopkeeper, Grange of Doagh, m. 1872 at Kilbride Presbyterian Church to James Gilmore, aged 21, son of John Gilmore, shoemaker, of ?Ballybanagh?
Witnesses: Wilson McKee and Eliza Kirk.
This is aunt's grandparents but don't think her Killen connected to Carrickfergus ones, etc.
Out of interest, have you traced this William Killen back any further? I had a quick look but couldn't find his dates.
I traced the family a number of years ago for aunt's 98th birthday. William Killen died 1885 Doagh age 84.
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I traced the family a number of years ago for aunt's 98th birthday. William Killen died 1885 Doagh age 84.
Thanks. I still can't find his death registration on GRO or Irishgenealogy - was there something funny about it or am I doing something silly?
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Only problem is reading my handwriting- should be age 81 on 4 Aug.1887- under William Killin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06207/4775589.pdf
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Aha, thanks!
I wonder if he could be the 8-yo William Killen in Ballyclare in 1813? (Ballyeaston Church census)
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Stepping back to the Martin family
1.John Martin of Air Hill, Rathgar, Dublin m.
2.Maria Martin m. 1848 Alexander Macaulay, gent., son of Capt. George Macaulay
2.Emily Martin, died 1885, aged 59, m. 1848 Thomas Donnelly, solicitor, son of Mathew Donnelly, merchant.
3.Mary Donnolly (sp of name changed) died 1917, aged 63; m. 1881 to Hugh Pollock, barrister and Registrar of Irish Land Commission, died 1923; witness at his death was his sister, Penelope Pollock.
4.Mary Noel Pollock, 1884-1886, buried Jerome Cemetery
4.Elizabeth Pollock, b. abt 1885
4.Hugh Roger Pollock, c.1882-1921, d. aged 41; civil servant; unmarried; buried Jerome Cemetery.
4.Dr. John Hackett Pollock, 1887-1964, medical doctor, author, poet; buried Dean's Grange Cemetery; see Dictionary of Irish Biography concerning his life.
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Just adding some links to verify your statements-
4.Elizabeth Pollock, b. abt 1885
4.Hugh Roger Pollock, c.1882-1921, d. aged 41; civil servant; unmarried; ….
4.Dr. John Hackett Pollock, 1887-1964, medical doctor, author, poet; ….
Elizabeth Emily Martin Pollock born 27 February 1885.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02659/1980547.pdf
Hugh Rogers Pollock born 24 April 1882.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02784/2021942.pdf
John Pollock born 20 April 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02561/1947450.pdf
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It is some years since you first posted the first message here, but i am so excited to find it! My second great grandfather, James Hill, married my 2nd great grandmother, Jane Laurimer in Ballymena. I have since been looking in those environs for information on the Hill family. I believe his father's name was John Hill (because Ancestry shows a DNA connection to this man). He was married to an Ann or Anne or Anna. I put Anne Berry's name in as his wife and it immediately showed a DNA connection to me!
I believe James Hill was a son of John and Anne Berry Hill. He was born in 1810. My ancestry shows an Alexander Hill also born in 1810. James Hill is the only one of their children who did not show a death date. Probably because he and Jane emmigrated to the US and he died here in 1875.
I am really hoping I have found a connection here and am very excited about it. I plan to Visit Northern Ireland next year and am interested in connecting with other Hill family members.
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McGarel Cemetery
Alexander Williams, JP, b. 1827 and died 1899 at Larne. Grave erected by his son, W.W. Williams;
also, his mother, Annie, died 1924.
From Irish genealogy
1.Alexander Williams, bank manager, son of John Williams, gent; Alexander m. 1860 to Annie McNeill, dau of William Walsh McNeill, gent.; one witness to their marriage was Henry FitzGibbon.
2.John Alexander Williams, solicitor, died 1898; m. in 1895 to Letitia Isabel Newett, dau of ?Brereton? Newett, stockbroker. John's address was at Hillmount, Larne.
2.William Walsh McNeill Williams, b. 1871. He also became a solicitor.
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There seems no limit to the number and intermarriages of these Walsh / McNeill / Newett / Williams etc. solicitors, but for light relief I am pleased that Francis Brereton ("Ned") Newett, Letitia's brother, was a "fine opener" according to A History of Senior Cricket in Ulster (2003), and 1902 winner of the Irish golf championship.
Brereton Newett's death - Belfast News-Letter, 25 Dec 1899 [sometimes Brereton John, Brereton J]
Ned's will - BNL 21 May 1913
Further evidence about the Drains lands and the Fitzgibbon / Hill / Lepper / Macaulay / Martin / McNeill / Williams links - BNL 2 Oct 1936.
But was John Hill of Ballyboley a close relation of the other Hillmount Hills: George Hill (died 1828) and his wife and cousin Mary Hill (died 1859)? That was my starting point.