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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Yegvard on Thursday 20 November 08 22:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I am looking for information on the owners of the brig "Stephen Watson", of Sunderland, built in 1838 and weighing 219 tons. According to newspaper reports she ran aground at Gunfleet Sand on the 13th December 1863. Apparently bound for London carrying coal. The brig was insured through Lloyds at £1400.
One newspaper gives the owners as Messrs. A. Watson and S. Grieves. Whilst a second gives Alexander WATERS as owner. One or both reports may be correct as ownership was in 64ths. Alexander WATERS (my 3x gt grandfather) was also a master mariner, living most of his married life at East Cross Street, Bishopwearmouth.
From other postings it may, or may not, be useful to say that one of his daughters was Phoebe Thompson WATERS.
Any further information, or where to hunt for it in in Sunderland, would be welcome.
Regards
Mike
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I found a lot about the boats owned by my ancestor in Middlesbrough at Kew. It was many years ago now and I cannot remember the exact source. I went to look at the Lloyd's Master Mariner's list (very informative) and this was an offshoot.
Found the reference now - scrappy bits of paper are so useful! Lloyds Register of Shipping Mercantile Navy List It was only a couple of tug boats - one was a paddle steamer - but there were several references. Another source is Turnbulls Shipping registers - the local record office will know who holds those. When I was doing this 20 years ago there was a local man who was very interested in shipping research.
Andrea
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Thanks Andrea
Duly noted. Turnbulls Shipping Register is a new one for me.
Mike
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there are masses of shipping things at Tyne and Wear archives. i think they were labelled under Lloyds something
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Thanks Inicky
Mike
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was alexander born in scotland ? i found an alexander waters in bishopwearmouth born scotland and a ship owner married to a isabella
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in 1841 census it shows him as a master mariner - born 1799.
his name shows as Alexr Waters aged 42 born about 1799 in Scotland living in the Civil Parish of Bishop Wearmouth Easington (North Division) Durham
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: Bishop Wearmouth North
people living in the home in 1841 west side east cross street.
Alexr Waters 42
Isah Waters 40
Ann Waters 15
Elear Jane Waters 10
Isabella Waters 8
Pheobe Waters 6
Eliza Waters 4
Alexander Waters 2
P.S. I will be going to Tyne and Wear archives in about two weeks if you want me to have a look. i cant promise anything and i will have to ask the guy how to get the info but if you say exactly what it is you want i will ask :).
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Inicky,
Yes that him. I have his census details and some trade directory information already.
I am interested in anything to do with The Brig 'Stephen Watson' The Official Number is O.N. 2661 Signal Code letters H.Q.C.K. recorded in 1857. MN List (and therefore in others)
First registered Sunderland and, 240 t. sail 157._1838 This could be either her port number in 1838, or the 157th. day in 1838
Could you please check/clarify with Sunderland archives the above information?
They should also have the Ship Transaction Documents which they should have on fiche. They record a ship's owners during the period of her registration in that port, and can prove useful for further research into the life of a ship.
These fiche were issued by the Registrar to those port museums and/or libraries that wanted them, a few years ago.
Any other information on Captain WATERS would be most welcome.
I will gladly reimburse any expenses.
Many thanks in advance
Mike
PS Just for information
Eleanor Jane WATERS married the Rev. Richard CHEW
Phoebe Thomson WATERS married the Rev. Arthur HANDS
Ann WATERS married Captain John Clifton McGregor
Eliza Mitchell WATERS married Captain Adam McDonald
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Dear Mike
One of my ancestors, Andrew Lovegreen, was a seaman on the Stephen Watson and in 1849 he died on board during a voyage from Sunderland to Petersburgh.
His widow subsequently petitioned Trinity House for a pension, and as part of the paperwork there is a recommendation of support from the ship's master, Robert Greeves, supported by the ship's owner Alex Waters, dated 11 December 1849. The owners of the ship are stated to be Messrs Waters and Greeves.
It seems that both men owned the ship, but that Mr Greeves also doubled as the ship's master at that time.
I hope that this helps clarify your ancestor's role.
With best wishe
Moni
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Hi Moni,
Many thanks for that gem. Do you have any copies of the paperwork for this saga, please? I have only one reference to Alex. WATERS being a Master, in the obituary of his son-in-law, the Rev. Arthur HANDS. So it is somewhat iffy!
Kind regards
Mike
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Hi Mike
The documentation doesn't mention Alex Waters as the Master, only as the Owner.
I'm happy to send you a copy of the relevant page via the private message service but probably not until next week as I don't have a scanner myself!
With best wishes
Moni
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Moni,
No matter him not being a master. I would be pleased to wait. I can find land lubbers ;), but on the water is a little more problematic. I suppose it's lack of experience.
Cheers
Mike