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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: mrsaird on Tuesday 25 November 08 00:28 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather James Gordon was born I always understood in the Cabrach area of Duftown. I have found his marriage certificate and he seems to be in Aberlour working at that time. His wife's name was Annie McAndie and her address is given as Dandaleith Rothes. Granda's Father was a John Gordon, farm servant and his mother as a Isabella McDonald but I cannot find any trace of them at all. I have a cutting from a newspaper of the death in WW2 of an Able Seaman David McAndie from 15 Nicol Street, New Elgin who I take it was related to Annie McAndie ( the cutting was with papers belonging to my late aunt that I inherited). We have connections with Reids from Duftown i remember going there as a child I am sure they lived near a burn or river and i am almost sure there was a mill on it. They were a very musical family. Does any of this strike a chord with anyone. Please get in touch it it does. I am attaching a photo of Peter and Margaret McAndie (Annie's parents)
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Hi mrsAird
The closest I can see on the 1901 census for James Gordon is this entry - as transcribed on the index I am looking at. Everyone showing as born in Rothiemay unless shown:
John Gordon 45, Farm Servant Cattleman
Isabella Gordon 47
George Gordon 20, son,Trooper South African Constabeelary, b. Inverkeithny
Jessie Gordon 13
James Gordon 10
Alick (?spl) Gordon 8
Robert Gordon 3
Hendry Gordon 1
Frank Dempster 5, nephew
Address: Mains Of Mayen Cottages Rothiemay, Banffshire
What age did James show on his marriage cert? I can see Annie, born in Boharm, Morayshire, is showing age 11 in 1901.
Monica :)
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Hi MrsAird,
I have found reference to David McAndie (McKandie) who was a Butcher/Able Seaman on the Moray Libindx site (see link below). He was killed in action on 22nd April 1940, aged 20, on HMS Pelican and buried with his parents in Elgin New Cemetery South Section, Headstone reference NE(S)1468. His father was Alexander McAndie who died in 1961 in 15 Nicol Street, New Elgin. His mother was Helen Milton who died in in 1966 in Spynie Hospital, Elgin. David had a brother Ronald who was also an Able Seaman, he died in the Royal Naval Hospital, Haslar, Gosport in 1954, also aged 20. They are all in the same grave.
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Hope that helps a bit.
Lynn :)
*Updated to correct spelling
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Hi Lyn and Monica
thanks for this, I searched and searched for James Gordon with no success and also the MacAndie side. I now have new lines to research so that shall keep me busy.
thanks once more for your help
regards Wilma
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forgot to say James Gordon is aged 19 years on marriage certificate and Annie as 24 years. Marriage was on 3rd June 1914 at Dandaleith Rothes.
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Wilma
The 1901 census entry I posted cannot be the correct James as that one looks to have been born c. 1891. With what you have just said about the age of your James (born c. 1895) I've gone back to the census index, leaving out parents' names in the search and found this entry:
Beatrie Gordon 66, head, Annuitant, b. Cabrach
Isabella N Gordon 9, granddaughter, b. Cabrach
James Gordon 5, grandson, b. Cabrach
Address: Gauch, Cabrach
Monica
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There is also an 1895 birth showing in Cabrach for a James Gordon that might be worthwhile you following up to see what it says about parents.
Monica
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Wilma
This is just some speculation from me ::) As you have found, there doesn't seem to be a marriage for a John Gordon and Isabella (or variants) McDonald, parents to your James, or none that has been found so far.
Concentrating on Cabrach, I found this birth entry:
ISABELLA MC DONALD OR GORDON Birth: 18 MAY 1869 Cabrach, Aberdeen
Parents:JOHN MC DONALD and ELIZABETH GORDON
I also found this entry in 1881:
Elizabeth Gordon 77, Annuitant, b. Cromdal, Morayshire
Elizabeth Gordon 46, daughter, General Servant, Domestic, b. Cabrach
Isabella McDonald 11, granddaughter, b. Cabrach
Address: Gaugh, Cabrach
I am guessing this young Isabella is the one showing as born in 1869. I am also guessing that this Isabella may be James' mother. The young grandson James who shows in 1901 with his grandmother Beattrie Gordon at Gaugh, I wonder if her name is actually a version of Elizabeth such as Betsie or something similar (there's no such name as Beatrie and nothing showing for a Beat* in previous censuses).
And there is this 1891 entry that seems to help confirm that - everyone born Cabrach:
John Gordon 76, farmer
Betsy Gordon 61, sister
Elsie Gordon 16, niece
Jane Gordon 18, niece
Address: D(C?)augh, Cabrach.
The only way of confirming any of this, will be James' birth cert of course :)
Monica
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This looks a possible entry for the John Gordon, farmer showing at Daugh (it would seem to be Daugh rather than Gaugh) in 1891 on Scotlands People Wills & Testament section:
John Gordon,09/02/1899, Farmer, Daugh, Cabrach, d. 09/06/1898 at Daugh, testate Inventory Banff Sheriff Court SC2/40/59
May explain why Betsie Gordon shows as an annuitant if she was receiving money from the estate.
Monica
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::) Curiosity gets the better of me, the longer I search for someone ;D
We're on the right course Wilma. That 1895 birth cert for James is the correct one (11 April). He shows as illegitimate, born in Gaugh (so it's either Gaugh or Daugh it would seem). Both mother and father signed the register - Isabella McDonald, domestic servant and John Gordon, farm servant.
Monica :)
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:D A photo of where your grandfather was born www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1017950
I think this will now come in useful!
www.timberford.demon.co.uk/html/Cabrach/cabrach_kirkyard_index.html
A number of entries for Gordons with a reference to Gaugh.
Also, www.threestones.co.uk/memorials/pdf/Graveyard.pdf and one potential MI for a son of John Gordon from Gaugh.
And hopefully, as you work your way back, this might be relevant:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Anderson-J-Anderson/GENE2-0001.html
I'll stop there Wilma! I searched google using: gordon +gaugh +cabrach, there are more refs. for future research...
Monica :)
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This looks to be the birth of Elizabeth (Betsie, grandmother from 1901):
ELIZABETH GORDON Birth: 10 MAR 1835/Christening: 10 MAR 1835 Cabrach, Aberdeen, Scotland
Parents:ALEXANDER GORDON and ELIZABETH MCDONALD
Which would fit with this MI:
Sacred to the memory of Alexander Gordon who died in Gauch, 14th February 1922, aged 85 years, and his wife Helen Aird died at Gadiedale, Premnay, 1st December 1929, aged 84 years. Also his father Alexander Gordon died at Gauch, 2nd July 1878, aged 93 years and his mother Elizabeth McDonald died at Gauch, 31st March 1890, aged 90 years. Also their daughter Jean died 8th June 1968, aged 92 years.
www.bigbuddha.co.uk/Welcome/Genealogy/Family_Trees/Edith_s_Ancestors/Cabrach_M_I_s/cabrach_m_i_s.html
You're going to have fun researching this side of the family. Lots and lots of Gordons from Gaugh to follow up on and the family seem really well researched.
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AS to who the father, John Gordon, farm servant, was....I have no idea :P
Monica :)
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Thanks all I am going to be so busy ;D but I shall enjoy delving into all this. I always understood Granda was from the Cabrach and looking on the map all places are quite near. My connection with the Reids of Duftown is through the MacAndie's I think either Nellie or Hannah, but the more I think it is Nellie. She called me a quinie (hope right spelling) on only occassion I ever met her and I didnt know that she was talking about me. :D I dont ever remember much if anything ever said about the Gordon side apart from my immediate aunts and uncles. Well back to the computer screen. thanks once more.
Wilma
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There is a marriage showing in Banffshire in 1904 between a Helen McKandie and a xxx Reid which would fit with what you remember.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica
thanx once more I guess that Helen was Nellie. I have a obituary I kept from an Inverness Courier a few years on one of the Reids he would have been a son of Helen/Nellie so I can use the information in that as well. Thanks again.
Wilma
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Reason I couldnt find anything looking in wrong place Moray not Banffshire. Following some of your ideas I did a google and found excel worksheet of all the census for the Cabrach area posted by someone on Rootschat. spent the whole night looking through it and there seems to be definite links between his family and mine. Also found at last granda's birth certificate. you were right twas him on the 11th April I am sure.
regards Wilma
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The other thing to remember when you are doing your searches on your counties is that up to 1891ish Cabrach (as I have now learnt in recent days) was included as a parish in Aberdeenshire. After this date, with boundary changes, it was incuded in Banffshire.
Not sure how far you have got back on the Mc(K)Andie line but if you look at that link posted by Lynn you will find Annie's parents details including death information. I searched for McKandie.
Sounds like you are off and away now Wilma :)
Monica
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The other thing to remember when you are doing your searches on your counties is that up to 1891ish Cabrach (as I have now learnt in recent days) was included as a parish in Aberdeenshire. After this date, with boundary changes, it was incuded in Banffshire.
It's not just quite as simple as that. Until 1891 Cabrach was partly in the county of Aberdeen and partly in the County of Banff. See
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Cabrach/index.html#HistGeog
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Thanks Forfarian :) I finally got the hang of Upper and Lower following the searches.
Monica
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Hi Mrs Aird, I have been researching the McKandie family and Annie McKandie is my great aunt. Helen McKandie is my grandmother and she was married to John Reid my grandfather. They moved from Knockando to Dufftown about 1925. I have a photo of Annie. Hilary
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Can anyone tell me where Home Farm Aberlour was in 1914. Annie and James Gordon’s first child Hamish was born there. Had a dreadful time finding his birth certificate his name was spelled wrong had it down as Hemish. Hamish died whilst serving with Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders as a POW of the Japanese on the infamous railway. His body was buried near to Railway but was later laid to rest in Kanchanburi War Cemetery in Thailand.
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Same place it is now, just south of Aberlour House :)
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.47605&lon=-3.20029&layers=5&b=1
or go to https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2843 and click on the map to see it named on the larger scale map.
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Thank you so much, trying to update family tree info, been very neglectful of late.
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Hi Mrs Aird, I have been researching the McKandie family and Annie McKandie is my great aunt. Helen McKandie is my grandmother and she was married to John Reid my grandfather. They moved from Knockando to Dufftown about 1925. I have a photo of Annie. Hilary
Would love to see pic