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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: sio59 on Wednesday 26 November 08 06:05 GMT (UK)
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I have been working on the following family for quite some time and just when I seem to have taken 3 steps forward, I end up falling 3 steps back! I am very grateful to those on Rootschat who have helped me get this far with the McMahon's and am now hoping others might pick up on a familiar name.
Timothy McMahon born c 1834 Co Clare , died Oct 1914 at 1 Edward Street Limerick m Catherine Hurley born c1832, Co Clare died 1898 also at 1 Edward St Limerick.
In the 1901 Limerick City Census Timothy is listed at the above address as a Publican & Grocer.
Children of Timothy and Catherine were
Mary Anne b 1865 Co Clare
Timothy b ?1868-Mungret & Crecora although is recorded in 1901 Census as being 30yrs
Margaret b 1870-Lemonfield Co Limerick
Catherine b 1871-Co Clare
Hannah b1873 Lemonfield, Co Limerick
I have been able to obtain birth records for Hannah and Margaret from GRO but unfortunately they could not locate records for the other children. as they needed an area in which to search for the births.
When Timothy Sen. died, the pub was run by Mary Anne and later by Catherine and her husband Thomas Pierce (family say he was a carpenter by trade).
Timothy Jr (or Tady as he was known) married a Bella ?Sweeney b Cork City. Tady was a photographer, having learnt his trade at Guy & Co in Limerick City. In the 1901 Census of Limerick City, Tady and Bella were living at 75 George Street Limerick where Tady also had his own photography business. I have been unable to locate a marriage record for them.
In the Limerick Leader dated 31-1-1955 ,there is an article on Tady and his athletic career during which he won 4 Irish Championships in distance running and, according to this article, Tady emigrated to the States (between 1901-1911). I can find no emigration records for him or Bella.
The article also mentions two sons of Tady and Bella--Ned who apparently moved to Dublin area (?when) and was involved in GAA sports and Tim who was also an athlete who had won the Army "100" at Cork in the 1930's.
The above poses the questions, did Tady and Bella actually emigrate and if so when? Did they return to Ireland?
Margaret married Thomas C Carroll in Feb 1858 in St Michael's RC Church Limerick. Thomas' address was Emma Villa, Thomondgate, Limerick, (GGrandparents). Thomas was a stationer and neither himself or Margaret are listed on the Limerick 1901 or 1911 Census. Apparently, they moved around Ireland for a time with Thomas' job.
Hannah married Stephen Toomey (of Toomey Mineral Water) in Sept 1908 at St Joseph's RC Church Limerick.
Sio
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Census and other information are avilable on the Limerick City Council website at - http://www.limerick.ie/library/localstudies/.
These Timothy McMahons appear on the index for 1901 - from a householder index. It appears that thet can provide a copy of the complete page for a fee...
McMahon Timothy, Edward Street, St Michael's (Parish)
McMahon Timothy, George Street, St Michael's
Shane
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Thanks for your reply Shane.
I actually use the wonderful Limerick library local studies site quite as lot, as many of my other relatives came from the Limerick area. I do have the complete 1901 census pages for both Timothy's which were kindly sent me.
Sio
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I have a map somewhere of the registration districts of Ireland -
I'll see if I can find it.
Maybe it would be possible to narrow down the possible districts for the McMahon births so a GRO search would be an option..
Shane
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there's a very small version of the districts map on the GroIreland website at : http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm (about half way down)
quite a few births from the 1860s and 70s are on the LDS site at www.familysearch.org , select the 'IGI/British Isles' after you start the search on the right to narrow the search by county.
There's an interesting birth that could be connected to your McMahons..
(its an extracted record)
Mary McMahon born 5th July 1864 Quin, Clare, Ireland
Father: Thady McMahon
Mother: Catherine Hurley
Thady is usually short for 'Thaddeus' but he could have been known as Timothy. The number 0568 appears in the address - I dont know what this means. The town of Quin is about 10km east of Ennis, which is the county town.
Clare library has a great Genealogy site at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm (included Census index, Griffiths, Tithe, Directories etc)
This birth occurs in the year civil registration started so it may be included.
Shane
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When a number like '0568' appears it usually refers to the page number in the register.
IGI also lists 3 other children for Thady McMahon and Catherine Hurley:
Kate born 24 Jan.1866 Quin
Thady born 28 July 1868 Clarina (could thi be Timothy?)
Margaret born 1 Nov.1871 Ireland
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from Slaters commercial directory of 1894, Limerick City section:
there are no Timothy & Thady but these are the grocer/publican related McMahon Entries :
MacMahon A. M. temperance hotel & dining rooms, 26 George street
McMahon Elizabeth, refreshment caterer & spirit dealer, 16 Thomas street & 10 Carey's road
McMahon Francis, corn & flour merchant, 51 Up. William st
McMahon John, grocer & spirit dealer, Nicholas street
McMahon Margaret, shopkeeper, 4 Broad street
McMahon Michael, grocer & spirit dealer, 1 Nelson street
McMahon Thomas, grocer & spirit dealer, Nicholas street
1 Edward street is listed with the following entries :
GROCERS & SPIRIT DEALERS.
Costelloe James, 1 Edward street
SPIRIT DEALERS.
McCormack William, 1 Edward street
Slaters 1881
PLASTERERS & SLATERS.
Moloney Thomas, 1 Edward st
The town of Quin is mentioned in the 1894 directory (but not the 1881 edition) with a population of 179. No McMahons are listed.
Shane
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Shane and aghadowey, thank you both for your help.
I will have a look at the Quin area Shane regarding Mary and the Kate which aghadowey mentioned and try GRO for the records. It will be interesting to see their fathers occupation as on the other birth records I have from GRO Timothy's occupation is "Butler".
The following is on the McMahon's-this from Trades Directory Limerick. The daughter's obviously maintained Timothy's name on the register after his death. On the 1898 death cert of Catherine, Timothy's wife, it is stated Catherine was "Grocer's wife"
McMahon Timothy Unknown 1891 12 Caledonia Place, Edward Street
McMahon Timothy Unknown 1912 1 Lord Edward Street
McMahon Timothy Unknown 1913 1 Lord Edward Street
McMahon Timothy Unknown 1914 1 Lord Edward Street
McMahon T. Spirit Dealers 1915 1 Edward Street
McMahon T. Spirit Dealers 1918 1 Edward Street
McMahon T. Spirit Dealers 1920 1 Edward Street
aghadowey- I do have this record for Timothy Jr and yes I do think this is the correct record, the area being Greenhills of Mungret/Crecora parish.
Sio
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Hi there!
I am Thady Mc Mahon's great great grand daughter. My dad tells me that Thady died young and never emigrated. His son Ned moved to Dublin in his late teens and joined the Irish Army. He later married Rose Greene from Fermanagh who was ten years his senior. Ned was chairman of Eireann's Isle GAA Club in Finglas, Dublin. They have four surviving children. Anna, Rose and twins Tadhg and Phyllis.
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Hello mcmahon100,
Absolutely delighted to read your posting. I am the great granddaughter of Margaret (McMahon) Carroll, sister of Thady. I have been trying for a long time to find out about the McMahon family and managed to obtain quite a bit of information on some of Thady's siblings (all girls) but Thady remained pretty elusive after the 1901 Limerick Census.
I would love to learn more about Thady and his family and am more than happy to share what information I have.
In order to send you a pm (personal message), you need to have 3 posts on Rootschat , so if you'd like to post in a couple more, I'll be able to contact you via that system.
Chat again soon I hope.
Siobhan
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Hi mcmahon100,
I've managed to find Thady's family on Limerick 1911 census, living in Upper Cecil Street. I have also located an obituary for Thady.
Siobhan
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Hello again!
I saw the information about Thady's family on the census which is very interesting. i have some info regarding Bella who is my granddad's grandmother. She was a piano teacher in Dublin and she taught her grandchildren piano. Phyllis, Bella's granddaughter is named after her (Phyllis's first name is Isabella). I would be delighted to receive any more info you have on the McMahon's.
Roisin
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Dear Siobhan,
Could you please tell me where you found the obituary for Thady? It sounds very interesting!
Thanks,
Roisin
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Roisin,
Have sent you a pm.
Siobhan
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Hi Siobhan,
I'm Timothy and Bella McMahon's grandaughter.
Timothy senior married Katherine Hurley in Quin Co.Clare. They had four daughters and one son.They sold their family home and moved to County Limerick around 1870.Their last daughter Hannie was the only one born in Limerick.
They bought a public house and grocery business at the corner of no 1 Edward St.and 365 Carey's Road.
Timothy junior was not interested in the vitner business and trained as a photographer with Guys of Dublin. He set up a studio at no 121 O'Connell St. Limerick. He married Bella Kelly of Catherine St. Limerick and they had four sons.
He did go to America but only to compete in athletic events. The family subsequently moved to Coleraine Co. Derry. His eldest sons Gerard,Timothy ( Teddy) and Edward were born in Limerick but the youngest Thomas (My Father) was born in Coleraine in 1907. Timothy died in 1908 when Thomas was just thirteen months old. Bella brought the family back to Limerick where they resided in 121 O'Connell St. She worked in the office of Fit's Auctioneers by day and taught the piano by night to provide for her family.When Gerard was old enough he served his time as a waiter and worked for "Lawlers Of Naas"a firm who specialised in race meetings. His mother gave him the money to start a similiar business for himself but instead he eloped with Ita Bryne. The had been going together for seven years so it wasn't exactly a flash in the pan. They had five children, Gerard ,Brian,Ita, Teddy and Eithne. Gerard junior had five children,Brian had eight by his first wife and when she died he married her sister and had more children with her. Ita married Tommy Nevin and they had one daughter. They emigrated to America.Teddy married and had a family but I don't know how many. He died reasonably young . Eithne married Oliver Daly in Dublin and they had three sons and one daughter Anne. They emigrated to Australia in the 1960's.
Timothy (Teddy) married Gretta in Athlone and they had three sons Frank,Timothy and Ciaran and one daughter Bella. They reside in England but retained strong ties with Athlone.
Eddie married Rose Greene in Dublin and they have three daughters Anna,Phyllis and Rose and one son Tadhg, a twin to Phyllis.
Tommy married Mary Daly in Limerick and they had two sons Thomas and Timothy and three daughters Frances Linda and Triona.
Tommy and his wife Mary Gleeson have three sons and nine grandchildren.
Tim and his wife Anne Madigan have four sons and three grandchildren. Frances and her husband Paddy Moloney have four sons and one daughter and eleven grandchildren. Linda and her husband Cathal Scully have two sons and two daughters and one grand child and Triona and her husband Michael Moloney have two sons and one daughter.
Bella was reared by her uncle. She had one brother and one sister. The girls were sent to boarding school to the F.C.J. nuns in Bruff and were taught to be young Ladies. She was an accomplished piano player.
Thomas as well as being great athlete also played on the winning side of the first all Ireland football final. An interesting fact is that the game was played in the late 1800's but for some reason the medals were not presented until 1900's by which time Timothy had died. Bella Whose name was actually Belinda died in 1946. Her mothers name was Sheridan.
Katherine mcmahon nee Hurley died in1888 and Timothy senior died in 1914 six years after his son
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Hi mcmahon_moloney,
Delighted to read your posting and thank you so much for all this information which is absolutely fantastic to have. My grandmother was the daughter of Margaret Carroll, Thady's sibling. I really would like to send you a pm but you need 2 more postings before that can happen.
I'm also curious about Thady and Bella living in Coleraine as I have a death record for Thady occuring in Castleblaney, his home recorded as Clones.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Siobhan
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Hi Sioibhan,
I remember Maggie Carroll well. Thady definately lived in Coleraine in 1907 as my grandfather birth certificate gives the home address as "Marybaudle "? road Coleraine. Thady died in Castleblaney hospital as it was the nearest hospital to Coleraine. If I remember anything else I'll let you know,
Regards
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Hi mcmahon_moloney,
Edie had 22 grandchildren, two of them living in the Limerick area and three of us here in Australia.
Thank you for the Coleraine address.
Siobhan
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Don't get too excited about Coleraine address yet- will post the name of the road when I figure out what it could be.
Also, please remember not to post details of living people (if you've done so you can use the modify button to edit your posts).
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Can't figure out the Coleraine address at all. The following places in 1911 census for Coleraine have 'road' in the name: Banfield, Beresford, Bushmills, Circular, Institution, Lodge, New, Portrush and Railway.
Does 'road' definately appear on the certificate or is 'Marybaudle' the townland name in the Coleraine registration district?
If you could post that portion of the certificate it might be easier to figure out.
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Hi
Difficult to understand the registrars writing But the Belfast office thinks it might be mountsandle road
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Mountsandel Road does exist but for some reason when I went to 1911 census and browsed by place I must have missed it.
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I'm Tady's great-great grand daughter also.(I am Róisín's sister). I was wondering if Hannah and Stephen Toomey ever had any children?
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Hi Sioibhan,
Thady definately lived in Coleraine in 1907 as my grandfather birth certificate gives the home address as "Marybaudle "? road Coleraine. Thady died in Castleblaney hospital as it was the nearest hospital to Coleraine.
Actually the nearest hospital to Coleraine is... Coleraine. There was also a Ratheane Hospital in Coleraine and the Mary Rankin Hospital which was a maternity/women's hopsital.
Coleraine to Castleblayney is about 80 miles (with plenty of hospitals in between).
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Hi memcmahon101,
I have wondered about that too. My father is under the impression that Hannah and Stephen had one child- a boy who died at a young age but as yet have been unable to clarify if this is correct.
If you make two more postings I'll be able to PM you.
Siobhan
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Hi I was also wondering about Mary Anne. Did she marry? Did Catherine come into ownership of the pub because Mary Anne died?
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Hi, Mary Anne never married and yes, Catherine and Tom Pierce carried on the pub after Mary Anne's death.
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I was also wondering how Margaret was born in 1870 and married in Feb. 1858.I think there is a mistake here.I also saw inthe 1911 census archives that Timothy McMahon (Snr) had his grand-daughter Margaret Carroll( 5 years old) living with him as well as Mary Anne and Catherine. If this is Margaret and Thomas's daughter does anybody where they were at the time?
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Have sent you an email. Big typo error. Thomas and Margaret married 1898
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Hello eveyone...
I am from Australia and have a copy of my GGfather Patrick John McMahon's 1893 Marriage Cert. stating he was 29yr old and his parents as Timothy McMahon (steward) and Kate Hurley.
He married my GGmother Elizabeth Charlotte Love in Rockhampton, Queensland, Aust. He was b.1864, originally from Limerick,
After a lot of thinking I wondered if he might be Patrick Sweeney?
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Chris
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Hi ccooke, Timothy and Catherine (Kate), the same names as my gggrandparents, interesting. I have a son by the name of Patrick for them but I have been unable to find any other information. Could you post another couple of times please, that way I will be able to pm you as there is a huge possibility we have the same family.
Thanks, Sio
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Hello Sio59,
You were quick to find my post!
I am pretty sure Patrick McMahon emigrated to Townsville, Queensland 1888 aged 24yrs, then moved to Rockhampton/Barcaldine/Blackall area where he married Elizabeth Charlotte Love. He worked as a drover so travelled a lot.
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...I thought it strange Patrick McMahon listed Kate Hurley not Catherine as his mother on the marriage Certificate.
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Hello Sio,
I have my g/parents 1893 marriage cert. I had mentioned and Timothy McMahon's occupation is listed as Steward and Mother is definitely Kate Hurley and not Catherine (although it was).
Regards,
Chris
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That's great Chris, def the same family. Have you discovered any more?
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Have not had much more on our McMahons... I hope to find the little I have and post it.
A Munster Newcastle directory I found (lost its link) has a Timothy McMahon as Comercial: grocer & spirit dealer, North Quay.
Coincidentally there is a Thomas Hurley also grocer & spirit dealer, in Church St.
Regards,
Chris
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Can you remember the year of directory?
Also, I have been doing some research here on Patrick's family. I'll send you a pm later this evening with some info I found.
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Thanks Sio,
Did you have this?
Limerick Chronicle 29/10/1914 death notice for Timothy McMahon aged 73yrs, 1 Edward Street.
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/10%2029%20corneille%20cond,%20mcmahon.pdf
There is a huge discrepancy in his age which is in the 1911 census as 77yrs. Unless there was a cousin/brother at another Edward St house or someone else in the same house?
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Hi Chris, yes I have the death notice and his burial in Mt St Lawrence Cemetery, Limerick. I'll send you the details of his death in the pm.
Regarding the age difference, not unusual to find discrepencies. I'm reckoning that Timothy was born c1834 in Co Clare...only problem is finding out where in Clare he was born as McMahon was quite a common name.
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Pm sent Chris.
Siobhán
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Hi There. My name is Marie Greig nee McMahon. My father was Brian McMahon 1929. Son of Gerard McMahon 1901 and Ita Bryan. Son of Timothy McMahon 1870 and Belinda Kelley. Son of Timothy McMahon 1834 and Catherine Hurley. Thats as far back as I have gotten at the moment.
My Grandfather Gerard McMahon married Ita Bryan from Limerick. They lived and worked in Dublin all their lives. They had 6 children. Gerard. Brian. Eddie (Teddy) . Ita . Eithna and another child Marie that died but not sure when.
My Dad Brian married Sarah County and had 7 children before Sarah died in 1964. He remarried to Julia Comiskey who was a sister to Gerards wife Harriet Comiskey. Julia was 13 years his junior so they went on to have 11 children. Big family.
Gerard had 3 children with Harriet Comiskey in Cabra Dublin.
Eddie (Teddy) had 5 ? Children with Betty ? in Cabra Dublin.
Ita had 3 children with Thomas Nevin. They emigrated to America.
Eithna had 4 children with ? Daly and they emigrated to Australia around 1968.
If anyone has any information going back to Timothy 1834 and his father I would be very interested.
Thanks, Marie
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Hi There. My name is Marie Greig nee McMahon. My father was Brian McMahon 1929. Son of Gerard McMahon 1901 and Ita Bryan. Son of Timothy McMahon 1870 and Belinda Kelley. Son of Timothy McMahon 1834 and Catherine Hurley. Thats as far back as I have gotten at the moment.
My Grandfather Gerard McMahon married Ita Bryan from Limerick. They lived and worked in Dublin all their lives. They had 6 children. Gerard. Brian. Eddie (Teddy) . Ita . Eithna and another child Marie that died but not sure when.
My Dad Brian married Sarah County and had 7 children before Sarah died in 1964. He remarried to Julia Comiskey who was a sister to Gerards wife Harriet Comiskey. Julia was 13 years his junior so they went on to have 11 children. Big family.
Gerard had 3 children with Harriet Comiskey in Cabra Dublin.
Eddie (Teddy) had 5 ? Children with Betty ? in Cabra Dublin.
Ita had 3 children with Thomas Nevin. They emigrated to America.
Eithna had 4 children with ? Daly and they emigrated to Australia around 1968.
If anyone has any information going back to Timothy 1834 and his father I would be very interested.
Thanks, Marie
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Hi Marie, we are related😊 Your great grandfather Timothy was sibling to my great grandmother Margaret McMahon. I have plenty of information for you. If you make another two postings I can send you a pm.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Siobhán
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Sio59.
Thank you for replying. New to Rootschat so just trying to navigate my way through.
Marie
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Hi Marie, it won't take you too long to learn how Rootschat works. Btw, your Dad and mine were born the same year.
Siobhán
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Hello, I was just wondering if anyone had any information on Timothy mcmahon, son of Bella and Timothy jr? Thankyou
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Can you give us an idea of dates and places? What was their religious persuasion?
KG
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Hi, I have a little information but will need to pm you. Two more postings from you and that can happen. My great grandmother Margaret McMahon Carroll was sibling to Timothy’s father.
Siobhán
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Timothy and Bella McMahon were my Greatgrandparents. Patrick Gerard , their eldest son, was my Grandfather. Like Sio59 , I have some information but not a lot. How are you related to Timothy?
Regards, Marie Greig
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Timothy and Bella McMahon were my Greatgrandparents. Patrick Gerard , their eldest son, was my Grandfather.
Timothy and Bella in 1901 Irish census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Shannon_Ward_No__8_Limerick_City/George_Street/1503657/
Their marriage in Dublin in 1900. Bella is Belinda Kelly.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10346/5766286.pdf
Birth of Patrick Gerard McMahon in 1901. MMN Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01937/1749648.pdf
KG
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Thankyou, would love to hear any information you have. I believe I have to post one more time after this before I can reply personally to anyone? I have quite a bit of information that suggests that Timothy is a relation of mine, but will share the information I have on a private chat, once allowed.
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Thank you for the information. I have all of it on my Ancestry account. Sorry if I misled you when I said that I had little information. I meant to say, little information on Timothy McMahon born 1904. I have never been able to find his birth record. Are you a relative to this Timothy (1904)?
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No that’s okay, I understood what you meant. Like I said any information would be appreciated. From my prior knowledge of my relation Timothy mcmahon combined with the Information provided in this thread, I am quite sure I am related, yes.