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Title: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Thursday 04 December 08 22:11 GMT (UK)
I've just 'met' another relative who has supplied me with some great photographs.  Two are unidentified - no-one knows who they are so I thought that if we could identify the uniforms it might give us a start.

They look, to my uninitiated eye, very ordinary but it's worth asking, isn't it?

Any takers?

Christine
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: neil1821 on Thursday 04 December 08 22:57 GMT (UK)
First photo is a tricky one, as can't see the badge.
The second looks like a company sergeant major in the Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. If the surname is Patterson, then that should (hopefully) be good enough to find his MIC. He has a couple of medal ribbons on his chest, but can't make them out.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Friday 05 December 08 00:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that - We'll follow it up and see where it leads

Christine
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: grandarog on Friday 05 December 08 09:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Christine ,
                The frirst one is of a mounted regiment ,can see the spurs,
                                                                                                          Rog
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Friday 05 December 08 15:46 GMT (UK)
Well spotted, Rog!  I can see them now you mention it.

Christine
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: mmm45 on Friday 05 December 08 16:05 GMT (UK)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=last_name%3dpatterson%7ccorpname%3dyorkshire%20light%20infantry&catid=10&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*

Christine
Theres 16 Pattersons with The Yorkshire Light Infantry Medal Index Cards any of these ring a bell?
He is a Sgt Major KOYLI..with medal ribbons it could be 1918 dated?

Ady
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: old rowley on Friday 05 December 08 16:54 GMT (UK)
It could be 1918 (onwards to 1922) as the service cap that he is shown wearing was introduced in 1917.

old rowley
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: scrimnet on Friday 05 December 08 23:18 GMT (UK)
ummm Second pic...he has riding breeches on!

More than likely the MT section...Taken in Holmfirth....(cue last of the summer wine theme tune...)

Possibly 1919/20 But the medal ribbons would be of use!!

First pic...Ummm....

Cant make out the badge at all...

Any chance of a close up of the hat pse?
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 00:39 GMT (UK)
The info is coming thick and fast and all gratefully received.

I've looked at all the Pattersons on the list, Ady, but apart from the mandatory James and Henry which we nearly all have, nothing rings a bell with me but might with the branch of the family these pics came from.

Sharp eyes, Scrimnet, I hadn't spotted Holmfirth.  The people these pics came from are based in Huddersfield so he could have been on leave when this was taken.  I'm off now to have a go with the hat!

Christine
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 00:44 GMT (UK)
OK, here's the hat - I hope!
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 06 December 08 09:05 GMT (UK)
Lovely scan thanks....

But can we have the other one pse!!???

That's the one we need to ID!  ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 11:31 GMT (UK)
Oh dear, the poor old brain cell was so busy thinking about the hat it forgot how to read!  Here goes
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 11:36 GMT (UK)
I've tries to make that a bit bigger - don't know if it will work ...
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 06 December 08 13:13 GMT (UK)
Yaaaay!

Got there in the end.... ;D

Royal Artillery  8)
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 17:53 GMT (UK)
So, Royal Artillary, rides a horse.

Can anything be deduced from these two facts together - they didn't all ride horses, did they?
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 17:54 GMT (UK)
PS - I should have said thank you before I got cheeky and started asking more questions!

Thank you
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 06 December 08 20:03 GMT (UK)
So, Royal Artillary, rides a horse.

Can anything be deduced from these two facts together - they didn't all ride horses, did they?

The British Army in WW1, like the other armies was powered by horses. The guns were pulled by horses (well not the really big ones!) the ammunition and the food was delivered by horses... ;D
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: mmm45 on Saturday 06 December 08 20:22 GMT (UK)
Hi
I asked a guy who has researched ww1 in Holmfirth but he couldnt find any Patterson in KOYLI in the enlistment lists or Absent Voters List in Holmfirth. :(

Ady
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 06 December 08 21:23 GMT (UK)
Perhaps he just happened to be in the area??

A lady friend or a posting??
Title: Re: Can anyone identify these uniforms please
Post by: c-side on Saturday 06 December 08 21:50 GMT (UK)
I've just been told that this branch of the Pattersons lived in Holmfirth from 1911 until the late 1930s when they moved to Huddersfield.  They came from  Great Yarmouth originally so perhaps the guy in KOYLI was from Norfolk.

Alternatively, despite what we've been told, he could stem from a female line in which case we've been looking for someone who doesn't exist  :-[