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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: ozzieostrige on Friday 05 December 08 12:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have just joined rootschat. I have been dabbling in my family histroy for about 10 years now, and have been able to trace my roots back to Cheetham Hill Manchester.
Richard Scholes married Mary Goodier in St Marys church Manchester in 1840 and in 1846 they had a son Oswald. At this time they lived in what appears on Oswald's birth certificate to be Crawshaw or corowshaw Fold Crumpsall.
I also remember tracking them down in a census which led me to believe they lived at Cheetham Hill but I seem to have lost the exact details.
I am currently planning a trip to the UK and was thinking it would be fun to try and find the ancestral home of my forebears and the church they were married in (if they still exist).
I tried Google maps but this only confused me, so if anyone could assist me in locating these places I would appreciate it very much.
Regards
Ozzie
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Hi Ozzie,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There is this church St. Matthew with St. Mary on Cleveland Road, Crumpsall.
http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/towns/c/crumpsall.html
Stan
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Welcome to RootsChat
This will give you a little history on Cheetham/cheetham Hill
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/districts/cheetham.html
Suz
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You are correct in that in 1851 they lived in Crawshaw Fold, which was a lane, in Crumpsall.
This was when Crumpsall was in the country - it isn't now and Crawshaw Fold is no longer there.
If you Google it you find references but you wont find it on any map.
Rog
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Hi,
This shows the position of St. Mary, Manchester which is where they were married according to Lancashirebmd. Unfortunately it was closed in 1890.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churchmap?T=SP,CCC=LAN,ID=2711
St Mary, Crumpsall was not founded until 1859.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Again,
This is Crawshaw Fold, Crumpsall on the old map site:
www.old-maps.co.uk
Click on Maps and type in the co-ordinates 383700 and 402800 in the boxes at the top > click go.
You should then be able to zoom in on it.
Regards,
Mo
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Thanks for all of your help, especially Mo who took the time to look up the census and then provide coordinates. I didn't expect so many very helpful replies so soon.
Mo, the coordinates you provided in your last post worked perfectly with the old map but when I tried to use them on google maps they landed me in the middle of the atlantic ocean! ??? Do you know what system they use (lat/long etc)
I reckon that although the buildings no longer exist, it would still be interesting to be able to visit the sites using a GPS when I am in Manchester next year.
Thanks again for your help
Ozzie
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Mo, the coordinates you provided in your last post worked perfectly with the old map but when I tried to use them on google maps they landed me in the middle of the atlantic ocean! ??? Do you know what system they use (lat/long etc)
Ozzie
Try http://www.magic.gov.uk/ click on Interactive Map then Full Grid Ref - x,y and enter the coordinates. You will have to select a topic for the map then zoom in.
You can also enter coordinates on http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
OS X (Eastings) 383700
OS Y (Northings) 402800
Nearest Post Code M8 4WP
Lat (WGS84) N53:31:18 (53.521613)
Long (WGS84) W2:14:50 (-2.247320)
Stan
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Just to add that on http://www.magic.gov.uk/ you can specify a scale for the map
You can also put the post code M8 4WP into Google Earth
Stan
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Hi Ozzie,
I have just replied to your PM.
it would still be interesting to be able to visit the sites using a GPS when I am in Manchester next year.
Do you know about the Godfrey Map company? http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/
They produce reproduction maps of detailed areas very cheaply (but don't have images online), with a short history of the area on the back. I think the one you would want for this area is "Lancashire Sheet 96.15 Blackley & Lower Crumpsall 1915".
:) Barbara
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I have just come across your posts on 'Ancestral Home'. It took my attention because I was also looking for Crawshaw Fold in Crumpsall. Although none of the Christian names match with your family, my Scholes family also lived in Crawshaw Fold in the 1880s. I'm sure they must have been related in some way. My 3rd great-grandfather was Edward married to Betty. Their son was Edward Richard married to Mary Hazeldine and their son was also Edward. My 2nd great-grandfather was another son Edwin married to Mary Hazeldine.
If you are still on Roots, is there a connection?
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You are correct in that in 1851 they lived in Crawshaw Fold, which was a lane, in Crumpsall.
This was when Crumpsall was in the country - it isn't now and Crawshaw Fold is no longer there.
If you Google it you find references but you wont find it on any map.
Rog
Shown on this map as well https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344057#zoom=5&lat=2515&lon=6630&layers=BT
Stan