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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: acer on Saturday 06 December 08 18:55 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help please David powell born around 1865 in the Crickarden area think his parents were David Powell and Eliza Meale Also believe married a Margaret Morris. ???
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there are 2 possible death regs for an Eliza Powell registered Builth in 1868.
In 1871 this possible family
Caio(?), Crickadarn RG10/5575 folio 50 pg 17
David Powell head mar 40 farmer of 40 acres
Mary Ann wife 23
David son 6
Elizabeth Ann dau 4
Mary dau 2
William Davies nephew 14 farmers servant
Ann Morgan 15 servant
all born Breconshire
2 possible marriages for David To Mary Ann registered Builth
march qtr 1863 with Mary Ann Pugh on the same page
march qtr 1870 with Mary Ann Williams on the same page
Mary Ann would be young, but not impossibly so, to marry in 1863 which is why I'm wondering if there was a remarriage.
Do you have David's marriage certificate to confirm father's name & occupation?
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Hi,
1861
RG9/4207/49/16
Crickadarn
Caie
David Powell, Head, M, 35, Farmer of 40 Acres, Breconshire Crickardarn
Eliza, Wife, M, 23, Breconshire, Landevaley
1871 (With new wife)
RG10/5575/50/17
Crickadarn
Caie
David Powell, Head, M, 40, Farmer of 40 Acres, Breconshire
Mary Ann, Wife, 23, Farmers Wife, Breconshire
David, Son, 6, Farmers Son, Breconshire
Elizabeth Ann, Dau, 4, Farmers Daughter, Breconshire
Mary, Dau, 2, Farmers Daughteer, Breconshire
William Davies, Nephew/Servant, 14, Farmers Servant, Breconshire
Ann Morgan, Servant, 15, Girl Servant, Breconshire
Chris
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Possible death of Eliza
Eliza Powell, June Q 1868, aged 29, Builth Vol 11b Page 69
Chris
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Thanks Fisherman and Osprey
I do not have any certificates But an Uncle (gone now) said his father's mother was Eliza Meale married to to David Powell farmer. and Caie is in the right area Davids father was a John Powell wife Ann ?so he said. Looks like Eliza died after possible the birth of the third child and David remarried Did they move later to some where around the same area beginning with P I feel sure you have the right family Did Mary Ann have any children with David.
Acer
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Hi Acer,
1881
RG11/5455/54/10
Crickadarn
Caeau
David Powell, Head, M, 54, Farmer of 40 Acres
Mary Ann, Wife, M, 34, Breconshire Gwenddwr
David, Son, Unm, 16, Farmers Son
Elizab Ann, Dau, Unm, 14
Mary, Dau, Unm, 12, Scholar
All born Crickadarn except Mary Ann
Chris
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1891
RG12/4567/53/6
Crickadarn
Pembwlodd ??
David Powell, Head, Wid, 64, Farmer,
David, Son, S, 26, Farmers Son
Eliza, Dau, S, 24, Farmers Daughter
Mary, Dau, S, 22, Farmers Daughter
Charles Emry, Serv, S, 16, Farm Servant, Herefordshire Longtown
Chris
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1901
David Powell Snr.
RG13/5164/19/6
Crickadarn
Penwrlodd
David Powell, Head, Wid, 73, Farmer
Elizabeth A, Dau, S, 34
Mary, Dau, S, 32
Albert Griffiths, Serv, S, 13, Cowboy on Farm, Radnor Llandilo Graban
Chris
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David junior in 1901
Tyhaulog, Crickadarn RG13/5164 folio 19 pg 5
David Powell head mar 36 farmer
Margaret wife 22 b. Radnor, Glascwm
William C son 2
Maryann Morris sister-in-law 11
John Morris visitor widower 72 retired farmer b. Radnor, Llanbedr
Margaret A Powell 24 general domestic servant
Thomas R Griffin 18 waggoner on farm b. Garthbrengy
William T Price 15 cowboy on farm
all born Crickadarn except where stated
marriage refs
David Powell dec qtr 1897 Builth vol 11b pg 173 with Margaret Morris on the same page
David Powell march qtr 1860 Builth vol 11b pg 177 - Elizabeth Meale only other person on the page
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think the visiting Mr Morris is Margaret's grandfather
1881 Lower Glanedw, Glascomb, Radnorshire RG11/2609 folio 5 pg 2
William Morris head mar 22 farmer b. Cregrina
Mary Ann wife 24
Margaret dau 2
Eliza Jane dau 1
Matilda Breeze 15 house servant
Harry Gittoes 16 servant
all born Glascwm except where stated
1861 Penbank, Cregrina, Radnorshire RG9/4206 folio 39 pf 7
John Morris 32 farmer of 150 acres b. Llanbedr Painscastle
Eliza Ann wife 30 b. Aberedw
Thomas son 8 b. Aberedw
John son 6 b. Aberedw
Mary Ann dau 4 b. Cregrina
William son 2 b. Cregrina
Mary Ann Smith 19 house servant b. Radnorshire, NK
Elizah W Jones 19 dairymaid b. Radnorshire NK
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David Snr with parents
1841
HO107/1370/3/7/8
Breconshire Crickadarn
Tyisa
John Powell, 50, Farmer
Ann, 60
Rees, 20
William, 15
David 12,
Elizabeth 13
All born in county
Chris
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:D Brilliant both of you thank you very much
Every thing you have both found is correct except the the 1861 census for Margaret Morris's parents they were William Morris and Mary Ann Borre but they only had girls I think seven they did live Radnorshire and Margaret was the oldest the only other names i remember are Agnes Molly and Jinny ? I think you are right about John Morris being Margaret/s grandfather
Chris 1841census that looks right too Tyisha, there was still distant family living there until recently Is it possible to go back past John ?
Acer
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David Snr.
1851
HO107/2488/380/20
Crickadarn
Tyisaf
Brother Rees is now running the farm.
Rees Powell, Head, Mar, 33, Farmer of 80 Acres
Mary, -, -, 33
Mary Ann, Dau, 5
Rees, Son, 3
Margret, Dau, 1
David Powell, Servant, U, 25
Mary Williams, Servant, U, 20
James Jones, Servant, 9
All born Breconshire
Chris
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Hi Acer,
To go back further It will mean a search through the parish records which are in Llandrindod Wells.
As luck would have it a friend of mine is going there on Thursday to look up some stuff for me so I will slip in John's details as well ;) ;D ;D
Chris
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Christenings of John's known children
IGI extracted records
All at Crickadarn
Rees 15 March 1818
Elizabeth 30 May 1824
David 30 April 1826
Chris
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Thanks am very greatfull for the help. I do not drive so have difficulty getting to these places.
Acer
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Sorry Osprey you were right with the 1861 and 1881 census I read it wrong they were father and son. Have you got the 1891 and 1901 census with William and Mary Ann and their girls please
Acer
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1891
RG12/4567/54/7
Breconshire Crickadarn
Tyle-Haulog
William Morris, Head, M, 32, Farmer, Radnor Gregrina
Mary Anne, Wife, M, 34, Farmers Wife, Radnor Glascwm
Margaret, Dau, 12, Scholar, Glascwm
Eliza Jane, Dau, 11, Scholar, Glascwm
Agnes Mary, Dau, 9, Scholar, Glascwm
Emily, Dau, 8, Scholar, Glascwm
Eliza. Anne, Dau, 6, Scholar, Brecknock Crickadarn
Evangelina, Dau, 4, Scholar, Crickadarn
Mary Anne, Dau, 1, Crickadarn
Sophia Bowen, Serv, S, 26, General Serv. Domestic, Radnor Llandilo Greham
Thomas Chance, Serv, S, 18, Wagonner Farm Serv. Brecknok Crickadarn
James Stephen Jones, Serv, S, 17, Farm Serv. (Bailiff), Radnor Llanbadarn Y Ganey
Family transcribed as Thomas ::)
Chris
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;) Thanks so much some of those girls must of been known in the family by nick names. Agnes went to Astrailia and only came back once I was told.Will try and find out what part she went to.
Who was at Tyle-Haulog on the next census
Acer
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Hi Acer,
Can't find the family together in 1901.
Tyleheulog is now being farmed by David Powell who is married to Margaret (eldest of the Morris girls)
With them is her sister Mary Ann Morris. Down as visitor is a John Morris, retired farmer aged 72.
RG13/5764/19/5
Chris
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Hi Chris I know Margaret and David Powell farmed Tyle Heulog and all there children were born there but where did her parents and the rest of them go I wonder
Bye for now Acer
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In 1901 Agnes is in Cardiff so is Ethel A. (who may be Eliza A on 1891).
RG13/4974/11/14
169 Castle Rd, Cardiff
William Frondorf, Head, Widr, 63, Retired Hosier & Draper, Germany, Naturalised British Subject
Rachel Davies, Housekeeper, S, 33, Housekeeper Domestic, Cardigan Llanwenog
Agnes Morris, Servant, S, 20, Servant, Radnor Cregrina
Ethel A Morris, Visitor, S, 16, Brecon Crickadarn
Chris
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Hi Acer,
The girls seem to be scattered so I wonder if William & Mary Ann had died.
Possible death
September Q 1891, Mary Ann Morris aged 35, Builth Vol. 11b Page 67
Chris
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Found another two of the girls
RG13/5162/30/5
Cregrina
Penbank
John Morris, Head, S, 46, Farmer, Radnor Cregrina
Eliza J Morris, Niece, S, 21, Houdekeeper Domestic, Radnor Glascwm
Evangeline Morris, Niece, S, 14, General Domestic, Brecon Erwood
David Parton, Serv, S, 17, Wagonner on Farm, Brecon Talgarth
Evangeline married Alfred J Davies June Q 1911 Builth Vol. 11b Page 133
Chris
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Hi Acer
Emily is the only one of the girls still missing! I can't find her anywhere.
I'll put her detail here and hope that someone with freh eyes can find her.
Missing from 1901
Emily Morris born c1883 Glascwm Radnorshire.
Chris
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Well, she's not leaping out from the census, but I did spot this possible death reg
William Morris 39 june qtr 1897 Builth vol 11b pg 65
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Hi Osprey,
It would make sense that both parents had died by 1901 because the girls are scattered around.
Where is Emily hiding?
Chris
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I've tried Emilly with blank surname b. Radnorshire & Breconshire. She could be hidden under the surname of the family she's with, badly transcribed, she could be married but she's certainly hiding very well.
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Hi Both
You have been busy much appreciated. I am all most sure Emily was around 1950-1960 time will try to find what her married name was tomorrow and when Agnes went to Astrailia
Bye for now Acer
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Hi Acer,
Found Emily at last :D
1901
RG13/5178/82/3
Llanbedr Painscastle Radnorshire
Farm name looks like Llanbachowey
Thomas Price, Head, M, 35, Farmer, Aberedw, Radnorshire
Eliza J, Wife, M, 37, Crickadarn Breconshire
Emilee Morris, Niece, S, 18, House Maid Domestic, Glascwm Radnorshire
William M James, Nephew, 7, Blesveryg ?? Radnorsire
Phyllis M James, Visitor, 3, Gledsey ?? Radnorshire
James Wall, Serv, 25, Carter on Farm, Clifford Herefordshire
Arthur Lewis, Serv, 21, Agricultural Labourer, Llanbedr Radnorshire
Chris
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Well done Chris you don't give up do you I was sent a photo's off all seven girls in what looks like there early twenties and six of them when Agnes came back from Austria
Busy for a couple of days back soon Acer
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Hi Acer,
I wasn't going to give up on Emily so had to keep looking.
Results fron Llandrindod.
There was no record in the parish register for Crickadarn of the marriage of John Powell and Anne.
Baptism records of the children
Rees 15 March 1818 residence North ???
William 11 October 1820 residence North ???
Elizabeth 30 May 1824 residence North ???
David 30 April 1826 residence Tyifsa (sic) We know this is Tyisaf.
The residence for the three eldest looks like North but it's very badly faded and difficult to read.
As for the marriage for John and Anne it might be worth checking neighbouring parishes.
Chris
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Hi Chris 8)
Thank your friend for me please I wonder what north means . There is a house in Crickarden Village known as the North
I wonder where Ann was from possible Gwenddwr there were a load of Ann's in that parish around that time.Will get back to this in the new year.
HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL YOU VERY HELPFULL PEOPLE ON ROOTS :)
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Hello All
I have just read this thread and it is of great interest as my Granny was Eliza Ann who is in the pictures mentioned
I also remember Elvet Powell from Erwood who may have been a son or grandson from Tyle heolog
I hope some of the original posters can contribute some more, maybe Chris, Emily and Osprey?
My great Grandmother Mary Anne Morris (Boore) has her name on two gravestones, on the boxed Boore family memorial in Franksbridge and on her own gravestone with William Morris in Cregrina.
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Hi johnpr98
Elvet Powell was the youngest son of David and Margaret Powell Tyleheolog My mother was the youngest daughter Not sure how much I can help you recently moved to Ireland Acer
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Hi Acer
Many thanks for your reply, I remember Elvet visiting my Mum when she was in the old folks home, I think he had a three wheeler if my memory isn't playing tricks, I remember visiting Erwood circa 50+ years ago. I wish I'd taken more notice of my late Mum when she as talking about the family.
I only have one Aunty left now and she had a stroke circa 2001 so communication is difficult.
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Hello All
Your research about the Morris family has been very useful to me and I have now tied up most of the loose ends with Agnes who emigrated to Australia in 1914, if anyone is interested, please let me know.
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Sorry so long in picking up. Glad it helped is there any way we can exchange telephone numbers and have a chat
Acer
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Hi Acer
I've just sent you a PM
Best wishes