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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: zeebra on Sunday 07 December 08 16:05 GMT (UK)
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My Gr-Grandfather Moses Millsopp Married Sarah Wright (nee McConnell) 25/3/1876 in Seagoe, Co. Armagh.
Moses was a British Army Pensioner (59th Foot Regiment). His records at Public Records Office, Kew show that he joined up 29/11/1854 (age 20 years) - born Tartaraghan (about 1834). His parents were noted as William Millsopp and Mary Ann.
Family stories suggest that he was part of a family with equally biblical names. The story goes that they emigrated but he stayed in Ireland.
At discharge from the army (14/12/1869) he went to Hamilton, Scotland. Pension records show that he was in Belfast by March 1870 and Glasgow by September 1871. IGI shows a submitted entry with a date of birth for him in 1851. (in which case the British army were recruiting them very young in those days!)
I am having trouble finding any further details about Moses or before.
I am looking for details for Moses birth about 1834 and anything on his parents William Millsopp and Mary Ann (maiden name unknown)
Any details would be much appreciated.
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There are lots of Millsopps from Co. Armagh listed in IGI, many with Biblical names like Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, etc. and at least one Moses.
An Abraham Millsopp born 1836 Co, Armagh was son of William (1801-1879) m.(1830) Mary Matchett. They seem to have gone to Ontario but some of the records are submitted and would need to be checked carefully. Search IGI (www.familysearch.org) for Millsopp + Ireland.
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Hi.
If you go back to the IGI and enter William Millsop and Mary Ann only in the Parent Search it brings up quite a few children of William Millsop and Mary Ann Machett
Regards
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Thanks Aghadowey and Kingskerswell,
In the past I have done more or less what both of you have suggested. I viewed the results and came to what I presume are the same conclusions. There is a gap in the birth dates for the Milsops (Milsaps) in Canada (1833 & 1835) - the biblical names are there - parent names are there. However there is a James Millsop born 1827 Tartaraghan - father William , mother Mary Ann, which seems to be outside that group and I am wondering if this is another family. I am considering a trip to PRONI, but I suppose I am just trying to save some time and money.
Thanks again.
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hi zeebra,
there looks like there is another moses milsop in the parish of tartaraghan.
this moses is listed in a 1851 census abstract from breagh townland aged 21.the father was william,died 1843, and mother was elizabeth. the head of the household is joseph,28 and unmarried. there are 11 children in the family but none with particularly biblical sounding names.i thought this might be of interest as they are maybe cousins of your milsop.
tony
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for the reply. There appear to be three or four Moses' on the go. Nodoubt they are all related. If I can get enough details on them I may be able to unravel the knot!
The Moses born about 1849 - Balteagh died in Glasgow 1891
My Moses born about 1834 - died 1887 - Hamilton
There is another on IGI born 1826 Tartaraghan.
If you happen to come across anything and can pass it on it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
Bill
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I dont know if this info is any help but I have a Joseph Milsop b1879 in Ireland and possibly Armagh as I have a brother of his named Isaac who is recorded as being born Armagh. Joseph married one of my family connections in Glasgow and his father was Moses Milsop b 1846 from Ireland and he was married to Ann Jane Struthers. He died in Glasgow in 1891. His other children were named Liza James Maria Moses William and Catherine.
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Hi Moira,
Thanks for the reply. During my very early searches for my Moses I found this info on that branch of the family.
In the Army Pensions records at Kew there is an entry for an ISAAC MILSOP who enlisted with the Highland Light Infantry @ Hamilton on 22/3/1889 (discharged 10/5/1892). He was born (1870/71) in Portadown, Co. Armagh, and lists his father, Moses Milsop of 477 South Wellington Street, Glasgow as his next of kin. There is also a William Milsop (born 31/1/1882) of 470 South Wellington Street. His father's name was Moses and his mother's name was Jane Anne (married 19/5/1868 in Kilmore, Co. Armagh).
This Moses died on 4/4/1891 at 460 South Wellington Street, aged 41 years. Cause of death PHTHISIO PULMENALIA. His father was listed as ISAAC MILSOP; mother CATHERINE m/s MCGOVERN.
Given his age at date of death it would be reasonable to suggest that this may be the Moses born about 1849 in Balteagh Co. Armagh.
I haven't been able to establish any links between the two branches yet as I still have to confirm the surname of my Moses mother. His Death Cert. only states Mary.
Thanks again for the post, I hope some of this might be of use to you.
Bill
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Hi,
This may muddy the water a little but there is a parish of Balteagh in Co. Londonderry. It is just to the south east of the town of Limavady. I have just noticed a marriage of a Milsop to a Moody in 1833 in Ballykelly which is immediately to the west of the town. I have been researching names in this area for several years and this is the first time I have come across Milsop!
Regards
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Hi Bill
Many thanks for this info........ these are my Milsops. Isaac and Moses' brother Joseph is connected to my family.
I didnt have the army info on Isaac so many thanks for this.
If I come across anything I think might be of help to you I will definately pass it on to you.
Many thanks for taking the time to forward this info to me.
Warmest Regards and All the best for 2009
Moira
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Given his age at date of death it would be reasonable to suggest that this may be the Moses born about 1849 in Balteagh Co. Armagh.
there are two townlands with the name balteagh in armagh, seagoe parish and tynan parish. the balteagh townland in seagoe parish is roughly half way between portadown and lurgan. part of it is now underwater after the balancing lakes were created.the belfast-dublin railway line goes through the townland.
tony
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Thanks for this info Tony
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I got this info today from the Mitchell Library in Glasgow from their Poor Relief Records. This Milsop doesnt seem to belong to my connections but thought I would put the info on here just in case it would connect with someone else.
Poor Relief Record 17/600 94600
Application dated 21 October 1907 from Emma Jane Milsop
Emma Jane is 20 and came to Glasgow 3 years last August from Portadown Armagh. She is living at 8 Merkland St Glasgow and is working as a Dom Servant.
Her parents were: Robert Milsop a farmer and Emily Redmond and she claims both are dead.
Emma is pregnant and the putative father is a David Little who was an insurance agent with the Prudential and until recently was living at 38 Lemington St Clydebank. However his whereabouts at present are unknown and it is rumoured he had gone to America.
Emma was admitted to the Poorhouse but only stayed a few days and then left.
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I also found this record........ which I hope might be of help to someone.
Poor Relief Ref: 17/543 71590 dated 10/1/1905
Sarah Millsop age 57
She was the daughter of Rbt Millsop a soldier and Mary Irwin and she was born Cranbell Co Armagh is a widow and a protestant
She was married to Thomas Williamson born Derrycar Co Armagh and there is a reference to him being a Redleader ?? He died 5 years prior. His parents were Christopher Williamson and Agnes Robertson both deceased.
Sarah and Thomas were married 15/11/1886 in St Silas Epicscopal Church Partick Glasgow and had no children.
She was given 5/- a week assistance and she also had an income of 3/6 from the British Legal Society.
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To All,
Apologies for not responding to your posts.
Kingskerswell - I prefer to think of it more as adding to the soup rather than muddying the water! Thanks for the info.
Tony - again, it all adds to the mix. The trouble is by the time I find a clear answer I will probably have ripped out all of my hair - and I didn't have much to start with!
Moira - Isn't the Mitchell a great resource. I found details about my Gr-Grandmother (another Sarah Millsopp) on Poor Relief and eventually going to the workhouse in Hamilton in 1887.
I think a "redleader" may have been a person who applied red lead paint to steel and iron to inhibit rust. I may be wrong and will happily stand corrected if someone comes up with another suggestion.
Thanks again
Bill
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My step grandfather worked in the Belfast shipyard and was a red-leader. Yes, he applied red lead to steel and lived and still worked to the age of 84.RosemaryJoan
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Hi there ,
my name is Millsopp and my grand father and granny came from Portadown - My grand fathers father worked in the mills in Portadown - think he was william james millsopp -
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. You haven't said what you might be looking for. I can find a couple of marriages in the area in the early 1900s and especially that of a William Millsop to a Sarah Jane McCullough in 1909 in Portadown.
Regards
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Somehow I missed this thread months ago. I've been looking for info on the Milsop's of Portadown (Brea actually) in Armagh. My research indicates they were a Quaker family.
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My great, great grandfather Moses Millsopp was born in Tartaraghan, Portadown in 1834, i am looking for any information on his parents, all i have is Father - William Millsopp and Mother- Mary Anne Geddes, born 1793.
Also a sister Sarah born 1819
Any info would be appreciated
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I have a Joseph listed as a possibility as a father to a Moses Milsopp. My ancestor married an Isabella Milsopp who is said to have been born in 1790 married William Davis and died in 1819. He then remarried and removed o New South Wales. I've been collecting Milsopps for decades now.