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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: comfort on Monday 08 December 08 15:32 GMT (UK)
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hi
can anyone please advise me where to start
i am trying to find any information on
richard trigg born about 1815 waterford ireland
he married
catherine cutler i belive they married in 1838 waterford,
the children i know of are
william john born about 1842
mary jane
charles
robert cutler
henry thomas,
i belive they came to england around 1850.
any help would be welcome thank you
patricia,
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From the Burial Register of St. Patricks Protestant Church, Waterford City, William Triggs died dec 30th 1813 . brush maker.
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hi
thank you very much for the information,
richard trigg that came to england was also a brush maker,
so could this william be his father ?
thank you again it is very much appreciated
patricia,
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Im not sure if he could be the father, in Pigots 1824 Directory of Ireland, there is a Francis Trigge, Brush and bellows maker at Irish Town, Clonmel, County Tipperary, also in the same Directory there is a James Trigge Brush and bellows maker at Bridge Lane, Clonmel, and a Thomas Trigge, Brush and Bellows maker at Westgate, Clonmel. In Slaters Directory of Ireland 1846, there is a Thomas Trigge, Brush maker and Flour machine maker at Summerhill, Waterford City.
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hi
thank you very much for all the information.
i see that it could be difficult to decide who his father was,
i appreciate your help
thank you
patricia,
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Hello I just thought you might be interested to know I am also researching the Trigg family of Ireland. My grandmother was Alice Trigg. I've traced her descendants back to Richard Twigg, master brush maker. Her parents I understand were Thomas Trigg and Sarah Megginson. Alice married John Hetherington in 1915. I have some anecdotal info from my family that backs up the Ireland brush maker heritage. I knew of move to Liverpool then the family settling in Sheffield where they are still to this day. Do get in touch.
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Hi Comfort I am wondering how your research is going into Richard Trigg born 1815? I believe he is my great grandmother's father. Her name was Sarah Ann Trigg and she was born in SHeffield in 1856. Her daughter, my grandmother, Alice Trigg, was born in Sheffield in 1893. I have grown up with the story of the Trigg family, brush makers, moving from Ireland to Liverpool in the mid 1800s. They set up a brush factory in Liverpool that burned down after which the family dispersed. If you have any information to share, please do get in touch. Best wishes
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hi
thank you for your message
I have to be honest and say I got no further
it was not my family ,but a friend of mine
and I think she gave up.
sorry I couldn't be of any help
patricia.
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Hi Salkeld,
Just read these posts and realised our searches are linked. My GGG Grandfather was Benjamin Trigg, a brush maker born in clonmel around 1820. He ended up in Sheffield by 1841. His daughter Sarah Ann Trigg was born in Staveley Derbyshire in 1846. I am guessing a brother of Richard? Other than a directory entry in Waterford as a brush maker I cannot find any irish records of Benjamin. Would be interested in any light you can shed on the brush making story.. All I ever heard from my grandfather was a vague rumour about some irish roots..
cheers
Rob
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Hi Comfort Richard Trigg married Catherine Cutler, son Henry Thomas born 1849, Waterford City, there are also two other Triggs James Trigg married Margaret Power, their children James, born 1820, Thomas, born 1821, Stephen, born 1824, and Patrick born 1826, a Benjamin Trigg married Catherine McLoughlin, their children Anthony, born 1832, Sarah, born 1836, and John, born 1838, all Waterford City Jim
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I too am searching for a "Thomas Trigg" Son Benjamin born 1819ish in Clonmel on the border of Waterford. Could he be a brother. He went to Rotherham in 1840 ish married a Sarah Goodlad and I have all info from there on. Thomas was a Brushmaker on Benjamin's wedding certificate.
Margaret Dennis
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http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/directories/clonmel-multi-yrs.txt
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https://books.google.ie/books?id=cphHAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA590&lpg=PA590&dq=%22trigg+clonmel%22%22&source=bl&ots=KWdiiPI2_d&sig=ba-OGhM1lAJY5mCKYEVmAgC6R9E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv7vf14uzPAhWFDMAKHRtODxwQ6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=%22trigg%20clonmel%22%22&f=false
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Hi Margaret, I would be interested in anything you have on Benjamin Trigg. He was my GGG Grandfather. He married Sarah Eliza Goodland as you say in Rotherham 1841. I have lots of info, but virtually nothing on Benjamin or his ancestors..
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I have Benjamin Triggs wedding cert. Born Clonmel Ireland,Brushmaker. Father Thomas, Brush maker.
Thomas listed in uk and us directories 1801-1825 and in shearmans directory of Waterford 1839. Both list him as brush maker. Shearmans living main St Clonmel. I found another reference to a Francis Trigg living next door to Thomas in Irish town Clonmel wondered if this could be a relative, and living next door.
I have all info on both Benjamin and Sarah after marriage. Sarah's parents Joseph and Martha were farmers. Can't get much further with them although think I have Joseph's birth. All I have proof of Benjamin's birth is father of Benjamin is Thomas. Can't get further in Clonmel. Margaret
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Hi Margaret, thats interesting, I had nothing on Benjamin as Ireland seems to be a grey area. As you have found the records just arent available. I do have the basics on Martha and Joseph, but again the trail goes cold, at least online. I will get to Staveley at some point to look further.
There are a lot of Derbyshire records online so have been surprised I cannot trace Joseph or Martha. If I remember right there are two Martha candidates born Staveley, so without any marriage details for Joseph and Martha I have come to a halt.
Benjamin and Sarah had 4 children I believe. Their daughter Sarah Ann married Samuel Thorley, an engine driver on the Railway. I have all the info from there.. Just frustrating that the Ireland records are not there.
thanks again
Rob
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Hi Robert,
I too am from Sarah and Samuel Thorley. Benjamin was my GG grandpa. My grandparents were Benjamin James and Ada. Mum, Dorothy Ada Thorley and Samuel Sills.I live in Australia and have no relatives left to visit so would be grateful of any info if you go to Staveley. I've tried the graveyard on line and found death of Joseph. Address of cemetery is Inkertell road. Buried 26th August 1835. Birth year estimated 1764 which fits. Love a photo if grave still visible. I am new to roots web and this connection is fantastic even though we are both at the same brick walls. Margaret
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OK Margaret. Benjamin married Ada Hall?, I only have their info up to the 1911 census, at that stage they had only 4 children, Benjamin, Constance, Mabel and Gertrude.
I did trace Samuel's Parents, James Thorley and Lydia Limb. James and Lydia are buried in Kimberley Churchyard, I have a photo of the headstone (although it had broken from the ground). James parents were Francis Thorley and Sarah Meakin. Trail goes cold then I have been to Cossall but nothing to be found. Lydia's parents, Michael Limb and Ann Smedley. Michael was son of Samuel Limb and Jane Leivers. Ann was daughter of William Smedley and Rachel Hooley. Williams parents were George and Elizabeth I believe. Rachels were Robert Hooley and Sarah Monson. Trail runs cold after Roberts parents, John and Mary.
Samuel and Sarahs son, James Frederick was my G Grandad, my Dad was named after him.
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Yes. Benjamin John Thorley married Ada Hall. Birth 1.10.1871. Staveley. Bapt 6.12.71 Staveley. Married September 9th 1893 Ilkeston. Died 19November 1923. Heart attack. Children Benjamin Cyril
Known as Cyril 20 6 1898- Dec 16 1980, Winnie 26.2.1900- 2.7 1900,Constance May 2.7.1901 -
Ada Gladys 16.3.1903-4.6.1903, Mabel Gertrude 20.7.1905- 26.10.1998, Arthur Lawrence 5.7.1909-
6.1.1966. Celia Gladys 11.9.1912- 11.1.2010 known as Gladys. Dorothy Ada 28.12.1914- 12.2.2000
I knew all these living-family members very well.
I have Francis Thorley 1762 in Ilkeston m Sarah meakin 1787 at trowel/Cossall.
Father Emmanuel Thorley 1720-1789 m Ellen maples b 1722
Any help? Margaret
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Yes really useful Margaret. Thank you. I can give you the dates of the people in my previous posts if you don't have them?
I have Francis as b circa 1767, in Cossall, but cannot find where I got that from. So your 1762 in Ilkeston makes a lot of sense. Ilkeston is less than a mile from Cossall but in Derbyshire. Yes Francis and Sarah Meakin married on 7 Aug 1787 in Trowell.
James Frederick was a year younger than Benjamin. He married Hannah Morley in Mansfield on 11 Dec 1898. They had their only son, my grandfather, Ambrose on 1 July 1901. James was a Colliery Surveyor, but died young in 1912, have not discovered the cause yet. Hannah re-married and my Dad remembered her well. As far as I'm aware, my Grandad didn't have any contact with his uncles and aunties. Ambrose married Maimie Harrison and had one son, my Dad, James Frederick. Ambrose died in 1981 of heart failure.
Its nice to know we have still have branches of the family going strong.
With that new information on Francis, I will see if I can dig anything else up.
regards
Rob
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Hello Rob, Have you got the will of Francis b 1762? Died 14.3.1858. Finalised 8th April 1869, 11 years later. Our James and Lydia were both dead by then, Lydia just. The 200 pounds went to Samuel which would be a good start in life. There was always a story in the family that we had a black sheep, George, who went to America and took alot of family money with him. Could it have been this or was it a Hall side????? I don't know.
I was also told we had alot of money in Chancery and that our American family were making waves to get at it. Could also be a Trigg as there are a lot of Triggs in US. Hence Trigg County. I personally don't think as a family we had THAT much money, but Ada Hall had to sell 2 houses after Benjamin junior died to support the family I was told so who knows. All gossip. Margaret
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Hi Margaret no I hadn't seen the will.
Certainly heard no stories, but as Ambrose my grandad was somewhat distant from his family I'm not surprised. James dies when Ambrose was 9 and Hannah re-married so I guess they lost contact with the Thorley's... There was talk that James and Hannah had some houses and Ambrose rejected a gift of one of those houses from Hannah due to a falling out. Where the houses came from is anyones guess...
Any idea where Francis was buried in 1858? not in Cossall have looked there, but I do pass through the area frequently so could look for his grave..
Did the money go to our Samuel? Francis and Sarah had several children, James we know about, Sarah b 1809, Joseph b 1806, John b 1793, Samuel b 1796, Francis b 1790, William b 1801 and Hannah b 1788
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Ancestry has the will on line. Lots of children all had a share. Hannah the eldest and single seemed to be the executor as we know it today. Address of Francis on will is Shortwood, Trowel. In other facts it has come up as trowel/cossall. Trowel is in Notts but don't think it is that one. Yes the money went down to our Samuel as both James and Lydia had died by the time the will was finalised so James obviously couldn't benefit. The siblings of Francis all got the same I think. We must have been quite wealthy in the late 1700s. Wonder what Francis did for a living? Love to have been a fly on the wall then. I don't know about your family but the we have red hair scattered through the 3 generations. Benjamin Thorley had it too. Think it must have come from the Triggs. May support the Irish link. Although still not convinced on that as Trigg is not an Irish name. I hope we can get further with him. Will keep trying, will try the Clonmel family history again. As you say things are coming on line all the time. Will also try and find Joseph Goodlad again. I know I found his birth somewhere which I think could be a correct one as he had his age at death. Margaret
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Hi Robert, been rereading your posts and realise you weren't past Sarah Meakin. Father John 1725. Married Ann Kneeton 3.11.1746 at Greasley. Ann born 1724 Bapt 19 Jan 1725 aged1 Greasley.
Parents Henry Kneeton b1692 Greasley married Mary b1696 at Greasley. Feather of Henry a Joseph Kneeton b 1666 married Mary born 1670. Hope you understand all this, by the way the Nottm archives on canal St just over the canal bridge is fantastic for research. Wish I could get there but no more funerals and houses to clear out. Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
thanks for that, it did all make sense. No I hadn't got past Sarah Meakin, I havent done any research at any archives yet, was leaving that till later. I have visited a number of parishes, churchyards etc. There are some great sources of information online, no doubt not exhausted all those yet. Found the IGI batches probably most useful, plus the local parish sites.
Francis must have been wealthy as you say. Cossall was (and still is to a large degree) a very small village close to Trowell and Ilkeston. Of course less than a mile from Greasley and Kimberley.
My brother and I have red hair! always assumed that was my Mothers side...
I think Trowell is that one, it is so close to Cossall. I have not yet been to Trowell churchyard, I will make that a priority. There is a shortwood farm between Trowell and Cossall....
thanks
Rob
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Hi Rob. I think I just made a boo boo. If you have received an unfinished reply my apologies. I mentioned that I was reading book of clonmel in the 1815s and times were very bad. Thomas could have been in the army but doubt it. He seems to be an established brush and bellows maker in Irish Town, they seem to be indiginous there they say. Funny about the red hair. All my aunts and uncles had it and now my daughter. Even my sons have red tinges, in the sun. I didn't give you Connies death if you wanted it Sept 1963, She had one son Gerald who seems to have disappeared. No one has heard of him. I do have a photograph of Samuel, Sarah and my g parents Benjamin and Ada. Will search it out if you are interested. That is if I can work out how to send it. Look forward to the results from Trowel Margaret
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Dont know if it helps with your search but the name Gerald is often also known as Garrett
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_(name)
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Hi Margaret, No didnt get an unfinished reply.
Connie's death info very useful, what was her married name? I will look for Gerald..
I would love to see those photographs. I have nothing from Ambrose's side of the family, again due probably to James's early death.
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I will send you a photo of Ambrose, to see if there are any family resemblances....
I intend going back to Kimberley to take better photographs of James and Lydia's grave. I will send those on also.
Let me know if there are any other graveyards worth searching. I carry a notebook with all churchyards of interest with me, so on my travels, if I get the chance I go and have a look. I get back to Nottinghamshire a couple of times a month....
thanks
Rob
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You folks should also take a look at the will of William (IIRC) Trigg, a "Protestant gentleman" of Wexford, who died around 1866. He was a brush maker, with a shop on Main St. A grandson of his married a relative of mine.
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Thanks for the reply re William. Did he live on Main St Clonmel. Tipparary? Thomas did and had a neighbour Trigg possible relative. I can't get any info re thomas, or son Benjamin b Clonmel 1819 until he moves to Rotherham and is married there I will look into the Wexford angle. will try and find will of William.
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Thanks for the reply re William. Did he live on Main St Clonmel. Tipparary? Thomas did and had a neighbour Trigg possible relative. I can't get any info re thomas, or son Benjamin b Clonmel 1819 until he moves to Rotherham and is married there I will look into the Wexford angle. will try and find will of William.
No, he lived in Main St. Wexford.
Will can be seen at
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/wr/007604272_00529.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/wr/007604272_00529.pdf)
Will calendar entry
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014886/005014886_00501.pdf (http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014886/005014886_00501.pdf)
His grandson, Thomas Devereaux, married Catherine Rochford, a sister of my g...grandmother. A brother, John Rochford of Ballysampson, was an executor of the will.
Trigg's great-grandson, Richard Devereaux, was born and baptized in Wexford on 18 March 1862.
I know William Trigg was a brush maker from directories published in the 1820s and 1840s.
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Don't think William is a direct descendant of mine but I am sure he is a family member. There are very few Triggs in Ireland but ALL are brush and bellows makers. Seems unusual. Thanks for info.
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Don't think William is a direct descendant of mine but I am sure he is a family member. There are very few Triggs in Ireland but ALL are brush and bellows makers....
Yes, seems certain that they were all related. But did you note the burial instructions in his will? This indicates that he was originally from the parish of Tintern, Co. Wexford. Griffith's valuation shows a Trigg there. Could be the origin of your Triggs?