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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham Lookup Requests => Durham => England => Durham Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: hinton on Tuesday 09 December 08 20:41 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
Need help deciphering a name of death informant from a certificate for sub-district Westoe in the county of Sth Shields and Durham in 1893. Purchased a death certificate that seemed likely to be an ancestor I was searching for, now not so sure, so need name of the informant to make a decision.
Could someone please check on the 1891 Census for the address below and its occupants.
The address the informant lived at was 24 Heron Street, Westoe.
His name is ?????? Initials R.F. Holt, Stott, Stoll. Can`t decipher it. He would probably be head of the house.
Thanks,
Hinton.
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I dont think its possible to do just an address search :-\ and without his age its difficult.
If you could scan, copy and post here just that part of the certificate. we might be able to decipher it for you. :-\
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I've got the page where it should be but can't locate 24
Ref is RG12/ 4164 F 42 P 4
Will look around the other pages to see if I can find it
Gadget
PS - that's just the North side - will find out where the south side is
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Hello Hinton
In 1891 there is a widow living in 24 Heron St Westoe.
Jane Main
None of them have initials RF.
Rgds
UKD
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Gadget
I think it's pg 170, I struggle with the refs for this particular website.
Rgds
UKD
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Will have a look - is it the same piece and folio as the one I looked at?
The descriptions of the enumertion districts are very detailed but no South side and no R Holt. It might be easier, as Patrish says to put up a snip of his name on the death cert.
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RG12/4154 Foilio 84 Page 37
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Only R on the page is a Robert D Coverdale living at no. 25 :-\
Also a Robert W Stoker living at no. 27!
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Hinton,
If your route via the Register Office informant fails to give you the corroboration you seek, what about other factors to confirm or eliminate this death registration.
Michael Dixon
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Hello Michael,
Tracing the name of the informant is the link. He is listed as son in law. If I can find him and his family I will be able to ascertain whether or not his wife is the daughter of the deceased and claim him.
Hinton.
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Hinton - so what is name of deceased person ?
MD
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Hello ,
The deceased and the informant lived at separate addresses.
I`m off now to see if I can work the post and scan before everyone goes to bed.
Fingers crossed,
Hinton.
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I'll wait another 15 mins, Hinton :)
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Hello Gadget,
We`re trying to work out how to do this.
Scannings ok, but how to post??
Hinton.
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Arrghhhhhhhhhh - we're on a look up board - can you put it on the ordinary Durham board as a new thread with a link to this one?
Gadget
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Hi Hinton :)
I magiced it on Imageshack so we can put it here :)
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/368/heronstreet1893cc9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
I'd say it was Stott - problem is the first letter doesn't look like the S in the Registrar's surname or the H in Heron :-\
Think that's me for tonight!
Gadget
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Sweet dreams Gadget.
Thankyou, its come up so well, much better than the original.
Hinton.
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Maybe I missed something ???.........Who was the person that died......maybe I misunderstand death certificates.......Yes R.F. was present at a death at 24 Heron.....he may not have lived there......the person who died there may not necessarily be on the 1891 census at that address.......but someone who was cared for in ill health by the family that lived there..... All sorts of possibilities exist.........In my humble opinion if you want to make a connection I think more info is needed :-\ :)
mab :)
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Mab,
Please read previous pages and all yr queries will be answered.
Hinton.
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Sorry...maybe I need to clean my glasses but I don't see where you state who died :-\ Only the witness on the death cert.
mab
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James Sedcole was the South Shields Registrar ( C1891 4155-102-21)
Robert Fenwick STOTT married Ann Isabella BARRAS on 29 Dec 1886, registered @ South Shields.
Robert F Stott with 25 yr old South Shields-born wife in London on C1891
(ref 299-35-20)
On Census 1871 ( 5027-65-51) Robert "BARRIS" and family including 5 yr old Isabella live at 35 Heron Street.
Birth of an Ann I Barras registered @ South Shields in June Qtr of 1866.
Was that death copy certificate a facsimile or a copy ?
MD
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and did a Robert Barras die in South Shields in 1893?
I don't see one on Free BMD.
Gadget
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Yes,
On both FreeBMD and South Shields Reg District sites as Barrass.
From FreeBMD June qtr 1893 aged 52 years.
MD
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Missed it, Michael - too early in the morning for me - I just searched on Barras ::)
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Hello Michael & Gadget,
Have just returned after re-checking BMD as I was sure that was the original source.to find that it has been sorted. That was where I originally started from only to find when I got the info that some things didn't add up, so needed to try and find the name of the son in law to check details on his wife.
Thankyou both for your perseverance.
Hinton
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Hinton,
Thank you for your thanks.
I hope you can see that if you had asked a different type of question in the beginning...
( e.g. "Did Robert Barrass have a son-in-law called R.F. Holt, Stott or Stoll ?" ) the chatters on this board would have come to the conclusion in a fewer number of steps.
Michael
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After a ten-year gap in this thread, I'll add that James Sedcole, the South Shields Registrar was my second great granduncle-in-law. My grandfather was given 'Sedcole' as his middle name, but I'll never know whether it was for that James Sedcole, or his father, James Willie Sedcole, a sea captain.
Curiosity about the unusual middle name bugged me for 45 years until I decided to start digging...
Martin