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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Pelican on Saturday 13 December 08 00:15 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Elizabeth Mary Cox Hardy married James Arton Maund on 28 December 1880 in The Chapel of Whittington, Worcester.
In the 1881 census James is with his parents and widowed brother in Worcester. Elizabeth is with her employer Dr Walsh also in Worcester. She has her maiden name of Hardy in the census, perhaps her employer forgot.
Elizabeth was born in Bockhampton, Dorset in 1846
James was born in 1841 in Worcester. He is possibly the James Maund who died in Worcester in 1888.
I cannot find either of them after that. They do not appear in the 1891 or the 1901 census, this is why I am presuming James is the one who died in 1888. However I cannot find Elizabeth either.
Needless to say I have tried every possible variation of Elizabeth and Mary I can think of and also Maund and Hardy.
She could have remarried. I have tried possible Elizabeth Maund's and Hardy's and inserted the new name in the census, but to no avail.
There are several Elizabeth Maund's who died, but no Elizabeth Mary or Elizabeth Mary Cox Maund.
Elizabeth is my husband's great grandmother so I would like to find what happened to her. I have been trying for several years now with no result. If anybody could help me I would be very grateful
My thanks
Pelican
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Hi Pelican,
It might be worth checking that Worcester death in 1888, right age, right place..
You could ask them to check known details eg. wife's name if given, at the local register office (usually they will check free if you buy the cert) - or the GRO will check first for a £3 fee which is included in the cert price if it's the right one - then at least you would know that you only had Elizabeth to search for.
When was their youngest child born - to narrow down the search, is it possible they emigrated?
Barbara :)
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Thanks for trying to help, Barbara, much appreciated.
I have Just, yes, Just, found someone who may be their child. Augustus George H Maund. Augusts was the name of Elizabeth's uncle and George was her father, the H could be Hardy - or it could be Horace or Herbert or Henry! James does not seem to have got a look in though, strange for a first son. His father was James.
The child was born in 1882, it will not take me much further, but it will give me a descendant if he is their son. Something we did not know before and will surprise the family, that is if it is.
My husband is descended from her elder son who was not James' child. 14 year age gap.
I have consulted both Ellis Island and Castle Garden for America, though not Canada yet. I have looked at most of the Australian and New Zealand records on line.
Thank you
Pelican
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Augustus doesn't seem to appear in 1891 census either, whether or not he's their child!
Will keep looking. :-\
There's another one born in 1903, wonder if he's a descendant
Dec 1903 Worcester 6c 267 Maund Augustus John J
Barbara :)
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Had not connected that one which is silly because as Augustus got married around then it is quite likely this Augustus John is his son. Thank you - well spotted Barbara,
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Yes but not the one you really want! Haven't been able to find him. Maybe they just went abroad for a while then came back. :-\
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He turns up in 1901 though
1901 RG13/2781 Folio 91 Page 48
26 East St, Worcester
John Ballard head m 48 Advertising Agent Worcester
Elizabeth " wife m 49 Dorset Dorchester
Augustus G Maund son(step) 18 " " Worcester
Minnie Ballard dau 16 "
But here's their marriage so not sure if right one:
Sep 1889 Worcester 6c 381
BALLARD John MAUND Elizabeth Marian
Barbara
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and in 1891 Augustus is surnamed Ballard
1891 RG12/2330 Folio 3 Page 1
2 Washington St, Worcester
John Ballard head 35 News Advertising Agent Worcester
Elizabeth " wife 39 Dorchester
Augustus G " son 8 Scholar Worcester
Ada A " dau 6 " "
Barbara :)
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Bless you, Barbara, this could have cracked it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will send for the certificate for the marriage of John Ballard and Elizabeth Marian Maund. See what happens
Thank you for all your help, I will certainly let you know what happens.
Pelican
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PS
Before I got back to you Barbara I had put in a look up for the 1891 census and the 1901. Then I found your replies. By the time I got back to the look ups to cancel it someone had answered!!!
Anyway this looks promising and I cannot thank you enough. What a Christmas present for the family this might be!!! Augustus will be a whole branch of the family that is not known!
Best wishes
Pelican
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Oh well, at least Ambly and I found the same thing, nice to have confirmation! You don't normally need to put in a separate post while one is still going on, but not to worry, the main thing is you found him. If you could just amend the title on that post to 'completed' and leave this one open?
I hope the marriage cert is the right one, I was a bit worried about the Marian part of her name, but it seems a big coincidence if not correct. If you haven't already sent for the cert it might be worth getting them to check for known details before you buy, that service is usually free from the local register office, or £3 for the GRO but that's included in the £7 cert fee if it's correct.
Please do come back here and post the details of the certificate when you get it, would be very pleased to know that it was the right one.
Kind regards
Barbara :)
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hi
i am researching the maund family in worcester as i am connected through
2. Edward Maund was born in 1771 in Worcester, was christened on 28 Oct 1771 in All Saints Worcester, and died on 25 Sep 1831 in St Andrews Worcester at age 60.
Edward married Elizabeth in about 1795. Elizabeth was born in 1771, died in 1827 in Clapgate at age 56, and was buried on 6 Sep 1827 in St Martin Worcester.
Marriage Notes: no trace of marriage there is an Edward and Elizabeth Morgan married at avenbury 2 jun 1791.
Children from this marriage were:
Rebecca Maund was born in 1799 in Worcester, was christened on 3 Mar 1799 in Birdport Worcester, and died on 22 Jan 1837 in Claines Worcester at age 38. Another name for Rebecca was Rebecca Mound.
i wonder if you have my family in your tree.
i have this info on your line could you check it for me.
8. James Maund was born on 12 Mar 1807 in Birdport Worcester, was christened on 19 Apr 1807 in Countess of Huntingdons Chapel, and died in Dec 1888 in Worcester at age 81.
James married Mary Arton, daughter of William Arton and Sarah, on 21 Dec 1829 in Claines Worcester. Mary was born in 1809 in Cheltenham, Glos, was christened on 9 Apr 1809 in St Marys Cheltenham Glos, and died in Jun 1897 in Worcester at age 88.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Cornelius Maund was born in 1831 in Worcester and was christened on 25 Sep 1831 in St Peter, Worcester.
General Notes: may have married Rachael Tandy on 31 aug 1856.
ii. Emma Maund was born in 1833 in St Peter, Worcester and was christened on 8 Dec 1833 in St Peter, Worcester.
iii. Eliza Maund was born in 1838 in Worcester.
iv. James Arton Maund was born in 1841 in Worcester, was christened on 7 Mar 1841 in St Martin Worcester, and died in Dec 1888 in Worcester at age 47. In 1841 he was a glover. By 1881 he was a french polisher and was living at home James married Elizabeth Mary Cox Hardy on 28 Dec 1880 in Whittington Chapel, Worcs.
v. George Maund was born in 1843 in Worcester and was christened on 19 Mar 1843 in St Martin Worcester.
vi. Esther Ambrose Maund was born in 1845 in Worcester and was christened on 21 Sep 1845 in St Pauls Worcester. Married mar 1871.
vii. Samuel Maund was born about 1854 in Worcester.
Samuel married Annie Wall in Mar 1875 in Worcester. Annie was born in 1854 and died in Sep 1880 at age 26.
General Notes: he was a turner in 1861-71. and a iron fitter in 1881 and widowed. in 1886 he was a commercial clerk.
He married Mary Ann Churchill at Whittington on 4 dec 1884
Child born Ethel una in London rd chr 1 aug 1886 Whittington.
General Notes:
James was a glove cutter living in Wylds Lane in 1831.
He was a leather parer in 1851 living at no 1 Carden St.
In 1861 they were in the blockhouse Mary as a shopkeeper, and James a glover and he was a newsman by 1881.
1881 Census
James MAUND Head M Male 74 Worcester, England Newsman
Mary MAUND Wife M Female 72 Cheltenham, Worcester,
James MAUND Son M Male 40 Worcester, England French Polisher
Samuel MAUND Son W Male 27 Worcester, England Iron Fitter
Census Place 2 Carden St (Toy Shop)Worcester Blockhouse, Worcester, England
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
Pelican hasn't been online since December, but should get notification of your posting, so hopefully will get in touch with you - hope you can share your information and find a link between your families
Kind regards
Barbara
:)