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Seeking Infomation on the following Persons.
William Oliver[] chr october 1792 burial April 1846
Wife Sarah Jordan married july 1819 in Rewe Parish
Children all ]chr in Silverton Parish
Mary Ann chr febuary 1820
William chr MAy 1823
Sarah chr 1Jan 1826
Robert Nov 1829 ( MY grt Grt Father)
James chr Sept 1834
Jane chr April 1837
Harriet chr may 1839
Joseph chr Jun1841
Trying To locate all the other children and there decendents
Thanks
Percy
South AFrica
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Hello Percy ;)
Assuming you mean you would like to find Robert's brothers and sisters and their families ?
Not sure how much you already know: were you aware that after William died Sarah re-married to Robert May : Q3. 1849 Tiverton. Vol. 10 Pg. 383
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Looking for Information on the Family
Of William Oliver and Sarah Oliver Of Silverton Nee JordanJ married PArish Rewe :
Children Sarah Jan 1826
William May 1823
Robert 1829my grt grt Granfather
James Sept 1834
Jane Apr 1837
Harriet May 1839
Joseph Jun 1841
all the children chr in Silverton
Trying to fill in the gaps any help appreciated
Thanks
Percy South Africa
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1841 H0107/226/11 folio 7 page 8 Silverton Haybridge Devon
William Oliver age 45 ag lab all born in county
Sarah wife age 40
Thomas age 9
James age 6
Harriett Oliver age 2
N K age 1 week male
1841 H0107/226/11 folio 13 page 21 Silverton Hayridge Devon
Higher Reach
James Middleton and family farmer
Robert Oliver age 12 ag lab
Sarah Oliver married Robert May dec quarter 1849 Tiverton Devon/Somerset 10 427
1851 H0107/1888 folio 94 page 5 Silverton Devon
Hayne
Robert May age 37 Farm Lab
Sarah wife age 47 Washerwoman Buckleigh devon
Robert Oliver son in law age 20 Farm Lab Silverton devon
James Olver son in law age 16 farm lab Silverton Devon
Harriett Oliver Daughter in law age 12 Silverton devon
Joseph Oliver son in law age 9 Silverton
Pam
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HI , Thanks for quick return ,yes iam trying to find out more about the kids,Yes I know sarah remarried .Are you also researaching the olivers?
Ill give u my emaiil address Is (*)
I live in CApeTown
THanks
Percy
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some of this on the Somerset board, as well :D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=347526.msg2259839(*)
PAM : stay here in Devon ? Seems Silverton was Devon :-\
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Hi Pam
Thanks for the info ,do you have a site on Tribalpages'I am alsolooking for any relatives of Charles Oliver.
thanks Percy
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How would we ba able to determin more about Sarah her family name etc
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Well that is appreciated i am sure, Robert the son born in 1829 and ended up in Bedminster in 1861 his son Joseph was my grt grand father he had a brother charles who was born in Penzance he was 20 in 1881 so from there i hve tied up joseph family to date from 1896
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Pam I didnt know what jobs they did etc ,tring to also what hapened to charles and william oliver and the kids of William,any suggestions.thanks Percy
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Hi Pam , are you there? How does the system work here on roots chat,
cheers Percy
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Percy - hello
I asked a mod. to merge your threads - so we're all on the same page now ;)
Pam has gone off-line, so I'll try and help you.
We have three topics -
1) the families of Robert's brothers and sisters
2) the family of Sarah - her parents and siblings
3) the family of your great grandfather Joseph
Have I got that right ?
Mary
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Hi mary
Thanks
yes you have the info Correct,i appreciate your help
thanks
Percy
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Good :) Here's the first one then,
JAMES OLIVER 1834
James was a farm labourer.
He married Q3. 1852 St. Thomas Vol. 5b. Pg. 125, to Susan Gould, from Broadclyst.
Their children were:
Ann Gould Oliver Q1. 1853
Jessie Gould Oliver Q1. 1856
Lily Gould Oliver Q1. 1859
James died aged 60 Q1. 1890 Tiverton Vol. 5b. Pg. 357
Sarah may have died in 1884 in Exeter (their daughter Lily was living there)
ANN GOULD OLIVER 1853
Ann married Q3. 1870 to James Abrahams
They remained living in Silverton.
Their children were
Bessie 1871 (registration not found, appears on 1881 census)
Frank Abrahams Q1. 1873
James Abrrahams Q3. 1875
Walter Abrahams Q4. 1877
Ellen Abrahams Q2. 1880
John Abrahams Q2. 1882
William Abrahams Q2. 1885
Henry Abrahams Q2. 1887
Fred Abrahams Q1. 1890
Samuel Abrahams Q4. 1891
Alice May Abrahams Q1. 1895
LILY GOULD OLIVER 1859
Lily married Q1. 1881 in Exeter to James Cockram.
They lived in Exeter
Their children were:
James Gould Cockram Q3. 1881
Ethel Lily Cockram Q3. 1882
Bessie Cockram 1885 (registration not found)
Susan Gould Cockram Q4. 1887
Emma Cockram 1890 (registration not found)
Ruth Minne Cockram Q2. 1893
Harry Cockram Q4. 1896
Elsie May Cockram Q2. 1899
JESSIE b. 1856 was at home with her parents until the 1881 census; I'm afraid I can't see her after that :-\
I hope this information is what you were looking for and that the presentation is ok ?
Mary
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Hi Mary,
You are a star thanks again for the info to date it is appreciated.
regards
:)Percy
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Hello Percy ;)
WILLIAM OLIVER 1823
William married Q3. 1849 Totnes Vol. 9 Pg. 617 to Eliza Wakeham
In 1851 they were living with Eliza's parents in South Brent.
By 1861 they were living in Alphington Stree, Exeter, where they remained for 40 years. William was a labourer.
In 1871 there is an Eliza Oliver aged 17 living with them, described as daughter aged 17 born Bristol. However, I can't find a registration for her in Bristol, nor can I see her in 1861 or subsequent censuses :-\ So - she is a mystery ???
Willim died aged 68 Q1. 1892 Exer Vol.5b. Pg. 99
Regards
Mary
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HARRIET OLIVER 1839
Harriet moved to Bristol, where she was in service in 1861.
She married Robert May Q4. 1870 Bristol Vol. 6a P.107
Robert was a Tanner.
Their children were:
Sarah May Q2. 1872
Henry Oliver May Q2. 1877
The children were born in Bedminster, and that is where they remained.
Robert died age 50 in 1880. Sarah married William Hicks in 1895 and in 1901 both Sarah and Henry were living in Bedminster with their mother, and Ernest W Hicks age 10 months.
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Hi Mary. The plot thickens ,any more surprises ,im trying to digest the situation between oliver/may ,must admit living those years were not boring,and age was no problem!!!!
will get back to you thanks
regrds Percy
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Hi Percy
Well, I've just spent a while looking for the Robert May who married Harriet Oliver in Bedminster (Bristol) in 1870; still looking.
in 1871 he says born 1828 - in Devon. The image is very difficult to read - it could be Kingsbeare, it could be Kentisbeare .
Are you saying you think it could be her step-father ? I must admit that hadn't registered as a possibility - I just thought it was a co-incidence :-\
Mary
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yes her step father in 1851 robert may was married to Sarah whos husband was robert oliver who passed away robert oliver and sarah had 4 childre robert ,james and harriet and joseph harriet was 12 lived inhayne silverton in 1851 she married her step dad!!
am i right
regrds Percy
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Well, I'm not entirely sure that Sarah's first husband was a Robert - I thought it was William :-\
Nevertheless, it certainly does look as if what happened was Robert May married Sarah Oliver; in 1851 they were all living in Silverton.
In 1861 they were all living in Bedminster, Bristol; Robert and Sarah May, next door to Robert and Elizabeth Oliver and their children. Robert May was a tanner. Harriet was also in Bedminster, in service.
Sarah May nee Oliver died aged 60 Q4. 1869 Bristol Vol. 6a Pg. 1
In 1871 Robert May, aged 43, was married to Harriet (marriage found, as above) and he says born Kentisbeare (poor writing) and was a Tanner. I thought initially he was a relation, about 20 years younger, but now I think that yes - he had shaved a few years off his age and married his step-daughter :-\
Regards
Mary
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Morning Mary, Yep you right it was wiliam not Robert.So Robert May married ,Williams daughter his step daughter, and in 1861
What happened to Thomas age 9 1841 and brother name not known but in 1851we had Joseph age 9 who was Williams children?There brother Robert was 20 in 1851 went to Bedminsiter in 1861 wife Elizabeth joseph his son born 1859 dec bristol was my grt grand father It gets a bit confusing with all the family christian names been the same in generations!!
I agree maybe Harriet had a soft spot for Robert MAy !!Well there was no blood line between the two of them So he must have had something going for him to marry a young girl!
Could you see if u hve any traces on William Oliver brn 30 Dec 1770?
Thanks again for the info you are a double star.
regrds Percy
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Morning Percy :)
Next one: THOMAS OLIVER 1832
Thomas was Robert's brother.
He became an Engine Driver on the Great Western Railway
I couldn't find him in 1851, in England or Wales, but by 1861 he was living in Bisley in Gloucestershire, married to Elizabeth from Carmarthen, and they stayed in Bisley - still there in 1901.
Their children were:
Sarah Oliver b. 1856 Swansea (reg. not found)
William Oliver Q2. 1858 Pembroke
Elizabeth Oliver Q4. 1860 Swindon
Annie Oliver Q4. 1862 Bisley
Ralph Oliver Q2, 1864 Bisley
Dorcas Oliver Q3. 1869 Bisley
Agnes Oliver Q2. 1873 Bisley
Kate Oliver Q3. 1874 Bisley.
I haven't found a marriage I would say "that's them" to, a faintly possible in Wales in 1852 but - very faint. Elizabeth died age 54 in 1887 - Thomas remained in Bisley, where he died age 74 Q4. 1905.
Both the boys became Steam Engine Fitters.
These are their children's families:
Sarah married 1878 to Frank Gillman. They had one daughter, Olive Annie Gillman born Q2. 1879. Sarah died in 1891.
William married 1879 to Jane Elizabeth Batty.
Their children were George Oliver Batty Q2. 1878 (so registered ) Thomas Oliver Q3. 1881. There was also a Lilion Elizabeth Oliver b. Q4. 1882 died Q4. 1883 aged 0, who was possibly theirs (no other Oliver registrations in that district)
I'll continue this on another post - getting a bit long ;)
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Thomas' children - cont...
Elizabeth - there is a marriage recorded in Stroud in 1878 to a George Gibbons, but I can't find them in any census after that.
Ralph : he was working as an Engine Fitter in 1881; there is a marriage in Stroud 1889 - but I can't find Ralph in 1891 or 1901 census.
Annie married 1884 to Alfred Burrows, from Essex. Alfred was a Police Constable in 1891 in Essex; in 1901 he was a Metropolitan Police Sergeant; they were living in Battersea.
Their children were Ethel Annie Q3. 1887; Alfred Harold Q3. 1888; Mabel Q1. 1897.
Dorcas married 1891 to Frank Tee. I can't find either of them in 1901 - a Frank Tee died Q1. 1899 Wandsworth, Surrey. In 1901 Thomas Oliver has living with him in Bisley a 3 year old grandson Harry Tee born Surrey, and William and Jane have living with them in Swindon a 4 year old nephew Albert Tee also born Surrey. I think these are Albert Frank Tee born Q3. 1896 Kingston Surrey and Harry George Tee born Q1. 1898 Kingston Surrey - but what happened to their parents ? I don't know :(
Agnes married 1895 to Robert Graham Pegler; Robert was a Saddler and Harness maker. Their children were Frank William Q2. 1896 and Dorothy Olive F Q1. 1901
Kate married Frank Edwards 1893; I can't see them in 1901 :-\
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Percy - I cannot find Joseph born 1841 after the 1851 census. I have tried in Wales - in case he went there with his brother Thomas - and I have tried looking for Joseph May incase he took his step-father's name - but I just can't find him at all; nor does there seem to be a death reg. for him :(
So - I think that is the best I can do with that section of your query. Please understand that although I have been as careful as possible, if you want to be 100% certain of anything, you really need to get certificates - although I do appreciate that with a family this size, that might be expensive :-\
Next : Robert b. 1831 and his children and their families ;)
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Evening Mary,
You are a now five stars!! many thanks for the effort and time,it is appreciated and most interesting info, .It is ironical that Joseph my great grand father came to south africa and joined the south african railways as a plate fitter,his elder son my grandfather was also a steam and electic engine driver, plus his brother s were also on the railways.My grandmothers family Eddles came from Bisley in Gloucestershire and St Mary church in Torquay and they worked in the naval dockyard and also his father and father were stone masons .
If you find anything on William oliver 30 dec 1770 it would help
Once again thank you if you were near by i would have sent you some flowers to show my appreciation, cheers Percy :) :) :) :) :)
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Hello Percy
Some of what follows you may already have - not sure what you already know - so apologies if I repeat what you have ;)
Robert Oliver b.1832 Silverton.
Married Q3. 1857 Bedminster Vol. 5c Pg. 1149.
Elizabeth Shapley on the page.
I found this through the birth reg. of their son Charles .
Charles Shapley Oliver Q4. 1862 Falmouth.
Falmouth is the registration district for Penryn - which is where he says he was born on most censuses.
1841 census
HO107. P. 228/1 Fol. 9 Pg. 12
Ipplepen Village, Devon
SHAPLEY
Thomas 50 Ag Lab
Elanor 45
Elizabeth 8
Anna 4
all born in county.
In 1851 an E. Shapley born 1834 is in service in Ipplepen.
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Hi Thanks ididnt have that information on Elizabeth, .I dint know if my grandfather had any relatives in Uk my great aunts his daughter never mentioned them to me but she had all the detail about her dad.
I found a census roll for 1891 and in that i found charles eliza and George and rRobert and wife Elizabeth , Well now at least i know wht her maiden name is ,
Have u manage to fined out anything on Wiliam Oliver dec 1770. all i hve beendoing for the last two days is working on the tree filiing in detail from a cousin in uk which he keeps mailing me my grans famly which is now complete.
have anice day and thanks
Percy
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Percy - when did Joseph go to South Africa ? I can't find him on census after 1871 :-\
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CHARLES SHAPLEY OLIVER 1862
Charles worked in the Tannery in Bedminster.
He married Ellen Bennett in Bristol in 1883
These are their children:
Charles Bennett Oliver Q4. 1884
Ernest Bennett Oliver Q1. 1887
Elizabeth Eliza Oliver Q2. 1890
Hannah Rose Oliver Q3. 1891
Ellen Oliver Q4. 1892
Florence Beatrice Oliver Q2. 1895
George Emmanuel Oliver Q1. 1898
Albert William Oliver Q3. 1900
There is a registration in 1888 in Bedminster for a George Bennett Oliver.
He's not at home in 1891 and I can't see a death reg; the naming of a younger George suggests he might have died :-\ Or maybe the name George Bennett Oliver is just a huge co-incidence ???
Robert - his father - was still living in Bedminster in 1901, by then he was Foreman at the Tannery.
Robert died Q2. 1908 Bristol Vo. 6a. Pg. 6
Elizabeth died Q3. 1904 Bristol Vol. 6a Pg. 7
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Robert and Elizabeth's youngest son also had the middle name Shapley:
George Shapley Oliver Q1. 1877 Bedminster.
He was a plumber and gas fitter. In 1898 he married Alice Florence Crew.
They had one daugher by 1901 - Lilian May Oliver Q3. 1899
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Robert and Elizabeth's daughter:
Eliza married 1894 to Thomas Edward Dart.
Thomas was a Lime House Labourer in the Tannery in Bedminster.
In 1901 they were living next door to Robert and Elizabeth, and had two sons:
George Oliver Dart Q4. 1894
Thomas Edward Dart Q3. 1897
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I'm not sure what you need on William b. 1770. I presume you have seen the IGI listings for the Oliver family in the 1700's in Silverton? There are extracted baptisms and marriages which take you back to 1690 -ish.
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Hi Thanks again for all the info ,
Wiliam 1770 i am trying to find his decendants ?and once that is done i think i will call it a day, I believe we have acomplished the imposible ,
12 roses no stars thank you regrds Percy
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Just for interest sake we have 6 generations of OLivers in South africa linked to Joseph regrds Percy Oliver
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hi Mary .
You asked me about Joseph my grt grandfather born 1859 in Bedminister Bristol he came to south africa about 1895/96 not sure married an Emily Fletcher from Bath in april 1895 in Capetown.I hve spent now 47 years following the tale of the olivers ,Eddles and Palmers and still today thanks to you we have filled in some more gaps,It has been fun and knowing more about your roots and maybe i can fill in some gaps for others
cheers Percy
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Hi Mary , You inquired about my great grand father Joseph Oliver born in bedminister in 1859 came to south Africa capetown 1894/95 ,married Emily Fletcher from bath in 1896 in Capetown ,I have been tracing the family plus the Eddles and Palmer's families for 47 years and we still filing in the gaps,and it has been fun and frustrating at times i have now over 600 names on the tree,If anybody wishes me to fill in the gaps from here I am more than welcome.
Cheers Percy
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Hi Percy
Well, I should be able to find him in 1891 - I'll have another look ???
William born 1770 Silverton would appear to have been the brother of John born 1766; John was the father of Wiliam born 1792.
Not knowing anything at all about possible children of William b. 1770 I'm not sure whether it's going to be possible to trace his descendents; do you know whether he remained in Silverton - or anything else about him?
The other brother was Stephen.
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Hi mary can you check the following please wiliam oliver bapt in thorverton july 1800 parents william oliver 1770 possible Silverton and another william born 1802 also In Thorverton poosible connections not sure.
Thanks
Percy off to bed its 012.30 am nite
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HI Mary,
Yes i have stephan and John on my tree, How do you clear the message board from my side ,once again many thanks if we dont msessage again
compliments of the season to you
Percy
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Good morning,
This is a bit of a long shot from UK. I have just discovered some new relations on the Fletcher side of my family who's origins are in the West Country and we are now trying to piece together some loose ends. I believe Emily Fletcher is my Great Aunt and my Cousin believes there is history of Emily marrying in S.A. Most of the documents we have point to this being the same Emily as your relation, the dates are slightly out but that would probably be down to errors on ship's passenger lists and some on Census returns. We would be highly delighted if you were able to supply any documents, birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates etc. that would give names of Emily's mother and father etc. Also, we believe that Emily and Joseph lived only a short distance away from each other and we would like to know what prompted them, if they ARE, the couple we are looking for, to emigrate to S.A. Was Joseph in the armed forces? There is a recollection by another family member that Emily married a soldier.
We look forward with anticipation if you are able to assist us to add another fascinating episode in the life of our family(s).
Kind regards,
Andy Fletcher
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Good afternoon Andy, What a surprise i have been trying to tie up the Fletcher side of our family for 50 years ,and out of the blue you found me.Emily Fletcher is my great grand mother.I have all the details marriage documents ,photos etc of Emily and her family.If u email me i will correspond with you.
kind regards
Percy
:) PS My apologies for not contacting you earlier i had cataracts removed from my eyes so iwas not on the computer .
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Hi Percy!!
HOW amazing!! I really look forward to seeing your research and matching it up hopefully!!
My e-mail address is sinbad_fletch@yahoo.co.uk
I can't wait!! So exited to find I may have relations in that beautiful part of the world. I visited Cape Town back in the 70's when I was in the Navy and or ship spent some time in a dry dock in Simonstown. I remember we played Rugby against the Metal Box Company!!
Very much looking forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.
Best regards, and let's hope we can help each other !!
Andy Fletcher
Pitsea
Essex
U.K.
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Hi Andy, I sent you an email? Did u receive it?
Regards
Percy
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Hi Percy,
No, I haven't received an email yet. Did you send to sinbad_fletch@yahoo.co.uk? There is an UNDERSCORE and not a hyphen and it's all lower case.
Looking forward to seeing what you have sent!!
Best regards
Andy
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Hi good evening Andy just got in from my daughter,will check the mail in the morning ,it’s 10pm good nite .cheers Percy
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Hi Andy ,I sent you an email,this morning,hope you received .it.
Cheers.
Percy