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Title: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: curlywurly1974 on Saturday 13 December 08 20:30 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am looking for Samuel Thomas Washington was second marriage to Phoebe Barrell, apparently there was a note they married who was her mothers younger brother and therefore her own uncle.

Samuel’s his first wife was Jane Paxman and she was died at her age 29 which mean was married to Phoebe in a few years later also had about 14 children – most are from Lambeth, Fulham & Battersea.  I cannot find their marriage records of them, they possible married by prohibited married or in somewhere.

I have been searching their married records from 1885 to 1905 – no luck!

Phoebe was born 28 Feb 1869, Westminster, London, England
Death: 26 Sept 1948, Fulham, London, England.
Census records: 1891 and 1901.

Samuel Thomas Washington – born 21 Dec 1851, Westminster, Middx
Death: 1923, Fulham
Census records: 1891 and 1901
First Marriage to Jane Paxman in Sept 1879.

Is there can you find any record of Samuel & Phoebe? Is possible Phoebe may be married before Samuel??? (This is very unlikely).

Regards

Curlywurly1974  :)
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 December 08 22:28 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

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they married who was her mothers younger brother and therefore her own uncle.

This could be the marriage of Phoebe's parents but no luck tracing her marriage so far

Marriages June qtr 1868
 
BARRELL  Henry    Lambeth  1d 521
WASHINGTON  Emma     Lambeth  1d 521

Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 December 08 22:32 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am not 100% certain of this so you need to check it out.  I think that a marriage between an uncle and a niece may have been legally prohibited in those days which may account for why you cannot find a marriage

Jane died in the June qtr 1889 and Phoebe is shown as "wife" in 1891 although all children at that time were born to Jane
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: curlywurly1974 on Saturday 13 December 08 22:38 GMT (UK)
Hi
Thank you for your help and trying to find for this.  :)
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 December 08 22:41 GMT (UK)
I can confirm that Phoebe's mother Emma and Samuel were siblings

1861 census for Westminster.  Children all b Westminster

Harriet Washington 47  widow b Herts Northchurch
Emma 13 
Ann   11 
Samuel   9
RG9; Piece: 47; Folio: 5; Page: 23
Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 13 December 08 22:45 GMT (UK)
Just confirmed they would fall into the "prohibited marriage" category

http://www.weddingguideuk.com/articles/legal/prohibited.asp

Extract as follows

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A man may not marry his: (and then right at the end of the list)

Sister's daughter (niece)


Title: Re: Samuel Thomas Washington & Phoebe Barrell
Post by: curlywurly1974 on Sunday 11 January 09 10:11 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am looking for Samuel Thomas Washington was second marriage to Phoebe Barrell, apparently there was a note they married who was her mothers younger brother and therefore her own uncle.

Samuel’s his first wife was Jane Paxman and she was died at her age 29 which mean was married to Phoebe in a few years later also had about 14 children – most are from Lambeth, Fulham & Battersea.  I cannot find their marriage records of them, they possible married by prohibited married or in somewhere.

I have been searching their married records from 1885 to 1905 – no luck!

Phoebe was born 28 Feb 1869, Westminster, London, England
Death: 26 Sept 1948, Fulham, London, England.
Census records: 1891 and 1901.

Samuel Thomas Washington – born 21 Dec 1851, Westminster, Middx
Death: 1923, Fulham
Census records: 1891 and 1901
First Marriage to Jane Paxman in Sept 1879.

Is there can you find any record of Samuel & Phoebe? Is possible Phoebe may be married before Samuel??? (This is very unlikely).

Regards

Curlywurly1974