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Henry Clark approx. 1733 buried in Rye St Mary Churchyard.married Mary nee Clark in Dover 1751. Cannot find will or admon on Archives site. Father Philip 1806 PCC will. Henry was a haberdasher had a corn licence, voted. Had son Henry. Philip and Edward emigrated to Illinois 1820 Other children Thomas, John, Susanna,Mary, Mercy,
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat. Have you asked at Lewes Record Office about a will? If it was proved at the local court rather than the PCC it will not be on the PRO documents online site.
I was not quite clear about your dates. Born 1733? Buried?
Andrea
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Sorry jumbled my people Henry Clark 1759-1832 Father Philip Clark 1733-1806 Is Lewes the ESRO? I have searched the on line ESRO records. I should be looking for the Arch deanery right?
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Just a couple of snippets of information on Henry & Philip for you.
They both appear in Rye for the East Sussex Land Tax 1785.
Found an entry for Henry Clarke in the coroners records, fits the date and area.
19 May 1832 East Guldeford Henry Clarke accidentally drowned.
Regards
Sean
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Hi
East Sussex Record Office in Lewes will hold wills for the parishes in the Archdeaconry of Lewes, the deanery of South Malling and the deanery of Battle. West Sussex have the Chichester ones. However, as far as I know they are not yet all on line. The Sussex family History group have an index of some and there are various smaller lots online. Have a look at genuki and follw some of the links the local online parish clerks etc.
If you can get to Lewes it might be very fruitful. The Society of Genealogists in London will probably hold any written transcripts of the index too. Their library is fantastic.
Andrea
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Thanks Sean and Andrea. Live on the west coast of US but have cousins in Hampshire, so hope springs eternal. Wow Grave stone reads May 1832 The one who doesn't go to sea drowns.
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Hi
Sorry to possibly throw a spanner in the works; but in my copy of the Rye Coroners records I have the following:
Clarke Thomas 3 July 1852 Accidentally Drowned Inquisitions, Other Papers.
I cant find any mention of Henry?
Chris in 1066
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The source i used was the East Sussex Coroners Records produced by the Sussex Record Society, so i don't think there is a problem there.
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Having just skimmed through the introduction of the East Sussex Coroners Records it seems that Rye as a Cinque Port had its own coroner but the jurisdiction did not extend beyond the town itself. For example Rye Foreign was under the Jurisdiction of the East Sussex Coroner. The coroner for the Henry Clarke case was Thomas Charles Bellingham the county coroner of the time and he attended as it happened outside of Rye in East Guldeford. So hopefully that puts things in perspective about the records not appearing in the Rye Corners records.
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Thanks for all your help. Checked out the Sussex Records Society and I can buy the book but would like to know if The inquest is just a few line summary, or the whole thing with testimony and witnesses. Henry was 73. It might have been a mill accident( family had mill in 1806 Don't know where) Does it violate copyright for someone to send me the page? His sons in Rye were Thomas. Henry, John, and possibly Archer. Lester, Henry, and Philip Harvey were nephews Also Richard Clark. I'm sure there were more.
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The record is just a single line containing the information I gave, so not worth buying the book.
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Hi Marinerclark
Looking through my Monumental Inscription database, and in particular the Rye Churchyard, I noticed the following - perhaps they are part of your extended family:
In memory of Sarah, wife of Thomas Clarke who died Decr ye 29th 1775 aged 41 years followed by several lines of verse
In memory of Thomas Clarke, who departed this life Feby 27th 1800 aged 67 years. Also near this stone lie 7 of his children, viz, Thomas, John, William, Richard, John, Margaret and Sarah couple of lines of verse
In memory of John Farr who died Janry 31st 1805. Mary his wife who died Septr 1st 1826. Anne Farr their daughter who died Decr 14th 1849. Mary Clark Hoad, niece of the above John Farr who died Feby 15th 1847
Could be worth keeping on the back boiler for future reference
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris, Really enjoy your website. Thanks for all you work. I am hoping this Thomas is Philip Clark's brother. Now that I have the in-laws identified as Roberts, Harvey Staffell I need the Rye church yard M.I. by G slade Butler in the Sussex Archeaological Collections #13. I found them on Google Books fully readable and I can't get them any more. The Philip Clark memorialized with the Staffells was Henry's brother. He is listed as a mate on the Stag cutter in the 1790's directory. He married Mary Machin Staffell in 1788 After Martha Avery died. The Staffell and the Harveys had businesses on the Strand in Rye where the will of Philip Clark the Elder lists his property in the 1806 will. Can I post a will I downloaded off the National Archives website without violating copyright?
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marinerclark
Memorials by G Slade Butler:
I have the above records, do you want copies of the transcriptions
There are severeal Staffell and Clarkes listed
Chris in 1066
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Yes , please Chris That would be great! Mercy Clark Married Nickolas Harvey I believe he died end of1805-to before may of 1806 and she may have remarried a SHARVELL Probate 2Mar 1847 if anyone has it She is not in my direct line. Where else would people be buried instead of St Mary's Rye? I am missing Elizabeth Gravett Clark Wife of Philip (1787-1853) She died between 1818 and 1823. Philip sent for the children in 1824 to come to America. So those are the last names I am working on Thanks Liz
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Hi Liz
OK, will do, but its a lot of typing; so give me a day or so to get going with it
Chris
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Hi again Liz
Attached to this should be a map of the churchyard drawn at the same time as the transcriptions were done in 1861.
CLARK and STAFFELL are in section A(West of Church adjoing Custom House Street)
Also burials ceased (unless it was a family plot) in 1854:
Extract from an order of Privvy Council, of 29th March 1854
"Rye, Sussex - Burials to be wholly discontinued from and after the first of June, one thousand eight hundred and fifty four, in the burial-grounds of St Marys Church, and of the Baptist Chapel; and to cease at once under St Marys Church"
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Hi Liz
here are the first part of your requested Memorial Inscriptions
26/12/08 B E D F O R D M E M O R I A L P R O G R A M
Registered user :- 1066 Genealogy
MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS FOR THE PARISH OF RYE, ST MARY IN THE COUNTY OF EAST
SUSSEX, IN MEMORIAL NUMBER ORDER
Memorial number
A50-
Sacred to the memory of John Staffell Senr, Shipwrigyht, who departed this
life May 3rd 1817 aged 80 years. 'Lord now lettest thou thy servant depart
in peace, according to thy word' Also of Jane Staffell his wife, who
departed this life May 13th 1821 aged 81 years
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In memory of Henry Staffell, Jnr, who died July 31st 1787 aged 52 years. In
memory of Jane, wife of Christopher Cuff, who died May 21st 1854, aged 85
years.
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In memory of Elizabeth Staffell, daughter of John and Jane Staffell, who
died April 17th 1810, aged 39 years
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In memory of John Staffell, son of John & Jane Staffell, who died August
31st 1808, aged 34 years. In memory of Philip Clark who was unfortunately
drowned on his passage home from Ireland, in 1815, in the 50th year of his
age. Also of <ary Machin, wife of the above who died February 17th 1854,
aged 88 years
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Sacred to the memory of Mary Clark, wife of Henry Clark, who died April 22nd
1809 aged 50 years, leaving issue six sons and four daughters, viz, Henry,
Susanna, Mary, Phillip, Mercy, Edward, John, Thomas, Archar, and Margaret.
Her mortal pains and grief are over, and lifes fierce storms are past,
Safely she reached the heavenly shore, Where joys unfading last
On reverse of Stone
Also of the afore-named Henry Clark, senr, who departed this life on the
18th May 1832 in the 73rd year of his age. 'Verily verily I say unto you
(saith Christ), if a man keep my saying, he shall never see death,John chap
8, Verse 51.
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In memory of Philip Clark, Senr. Also Mercy, his wife. He departed this
life May 31st 1806 aged 73 years. She departed this life Feby 12th 1787,
aged 53 years. What we were the judgment day will best make know. Reader
what art thou?
On reverse of stone
In memory of Thomas Clark, son of Philip and Mercy, who died July 14th 1849
aged 77 years. Also of William Philip, son of the above named Thomas, who
died April 16th 1809 aged 9 months and ? weeks. Also of Elizabeth and
William, children of William Durrant Clark, son of the above named Thomas,
who died in their infancy.
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Hi Liz
and here is the second part:
26/12/08 B E D F O R D M E M O R I A L P R O G R A M
Registered user :- 1066 Genealogy
MEMORIAL INSCRIPTIONS FOR THE PARISH OF RYE, ST MARY IN THE COUNTY OF EAST
SUSSEX, IN MEMORIAL NUMBER ORDER
Memorial number
A63-
Sacred to the memory of Margaret Clark, daughter of Henry and Mary Clark,
who depatred this life on the 28th of April, 1818 aged 15 years and 7
months. Also of Anthony Nabbs Clark, he died 15th July 1792, aged 9 months.
Further transcriptions buried underground at base of memorial
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In memory of Abraham Staffell, who died March 14th 1791 aged 53 years. Also
Grace Staffell died Janry 29th 1783 aged 19 years. Likewise Henry Staffell,
died Janry 26th 1793 aged 27 years. Also Mary Staffell, wife of Abraham
Staffell, departed this life May 22nd 1823, aged 87 years. Likewise
Margaret Weight, died March 27th 1828, aged 89 years
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Sarcred to the memory of Abraham Staffell, who died Febry ye 28th 1810 aged
42 years. He left surviving Sarah his wife and Jane his daughter
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Sacred to the memory of George Staffell, who died Oct 26th 1829 aged 56
years. Also Elizabeth his wife, who died March 7th 1829, aged 56 years.
Likewise Mary Staffell their daughter, who died Febry 27th 1822 aged 21
years. Left surviving 1 son and daughter , viz Grace & Henry.
Also of Henry George son of Henry and Ann Stafell, who died May 1st 1830
aged 3 months.
On reverse of stone:
In memory of Grace Staffell, daughter of Justin and Grace Allen, who died
July 5th 1821 aged 17 months. Also Mary Jane, their daughter who Janry 18th
1830 aged 6 years and 8 months. Likewise Justinian George their son, who
died Febry 14th 1830 aged 2 years and 2 months.
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In memory of Sarah wife of Thomas Clark who died Decer ye 29th 1775 aged 41
years. Hark! she bids all her friends adieu, Some angel calls her to the
spheres, Our eyes the radiant saint pursue, Thro liquid telecopes of tears.
Fairwell, bright soul, a short farewell, Till we shall meet again above, In
the sweet groves where pleasyres dwell, and trees of life bear fruits of
love; There glory sits on every face, There friendships smile in every eye,
There shall our tongues relate the grace, Thy soul .... homeward to the sky
... rest illegible
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In memory of Thomas Clark, who departed this life Feby 27th 1899 aged 67
years. Also near this stone lie 7 of his children, viz, Thomas, John,
William, Richard, John, Margaret and Sarah. 'Jesus said, He that believeth
in me though he die, yet shall he live - John c xi v 25. In memory of John
Farr who died Janry 31st 1805. Mary his wife, who died Septr 1st 1826.
Anne Farr, their daughter who diied Decr 14th 1849. Mary Clark Hoad, niece
of the above John Farr, who died Feby 15th 1847
End of records
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Hi Liz
The Baptist Chapel, Rye transcribed in 1862 by G Slade Butler has just one stone remaining to the Clark Family:
No 0011
In memory of Hannah Clarke, wife of Thos.Clarke, who died Octr 14th, 1787,
aged 54 years. Also Elizth Russell, her mother, who died Feby.28th, 1758,
aged 80 years.
Hope this one is also of use to you
Chris in 1066
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Happy Boxing Day No Chris that's too much I was hoping it was a PDF you just send in a bundle. I found it on google books and it was all there . The University of Washington library in Seattle has the Sussex Archeaological Collections so I will probably make it up there. I already have the Clarks From Chris Payne at SFHG. Can I buy A CD of the Rye parish Records? Cant find that either. Should have sent a PM so feel free to edit Thanks LIz
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Thanks a bunch Maybe some cousins will see all that. Happy New Year!! Liz
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E49 Above Thomas Clark's death date should read 1800 Data from SFHG burial index Liz
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Hi Liz
Yes, you are correct, the date should read 1800 - unfortunately it was a typo by myself.
Please accept my apologies for that
Chris in 1066
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Hi Liz,
Just noticed this thread after replying to the message you left on mine about Robert Clark(e). This could get confusing - both called Liz!!
I found a couple of burials in Rye Cemetery which are a bit after your time but very likely might be connected.
Margaret Clark (nee Staffell) - 02.09.1884 NonComM
&
Thomas Staffell Clark - 05.07.1883 NonComM
Best wishes
Liz
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Hi again Liz
Attached to this should be a map of the churchyard drawn at the same time as the transcriptions were done in 1861.
CLARK and STAFFELL are in section A(West of Church adjoing Custom House Street)
Also burials ceased (unless it was a family plot) in 1854:
Extract from an order of Privvy Council, of 29th March 1854
"Rye, Sussex - Burials to be wholly discontinued from and after the first of June, one thousand eight hundred and fifty four, in the burial-grounds of St Marys Church, and of the Baptist Chapel; and to cease at once under St Marys Church"
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Hello d195 Couldn't open or see any post besides Chris's Quote. Are you connected with Clarks or Staffells.
I am Philip Clark's 5 greats grand daughter. Try again and welcome to Rootschat LizR
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hi all, im new to this forum and the internet and just trying to find out more info on my family history.
first of all i would like to know how i PM people on this forum, since i couldn't find the option anywhere (as i said im new to the internet ;D)
basically:
am researching the Clark family history, have managed to get back to John Clark, Baptised on 21/6/1794, married Mary hatter, on the 21/6/1813
has anyone got any info on this ??? and general help on this forum
thanks alot
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Hello d195 Glad you made it back I have not been able to tie Philip Clark b. approx 1733 to a baptism. He marries Mercy Waite in 1754 in Rye. Henry Clark 1758-1832 Philip Clark 1787-1854 Illinois USA. Philip Clark the Elder has will on the National Archives Documents Online He died May31 1806 and is buried Rye St Mary churchyard will proved in july 1806 sorry for missing dates but am not home.
As soon as you have 3 posts you can PM Are you in England? I am in Washington state south of Seattle. Do you have John Clark with a son Philip or Thomas died 1800 aged 67 buried Rye. Mercy is in Rye parish register available on Ancestry Looking forward to sharing info LizR
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hi marinerclark,i've Thomas William bap 1857 son of henry James married Jane Gosbee1846.Henry James son of John.John bap 1794 son of Henry and Mary.Just wondered if this Henry is same as your Henry.Yes am in England and used to live in Rye!!!
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so Henry James married Jane Gosbee. I'm confused where Clark fits in.
I believe John bap. 1794 is son of Henry Clark and Mary is my family brother to Philip and Edward who emigrated to US Check out Playden Clark post LizR
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so Henry James married Jane Gosbee. I'm confused where Clark fits in.
I believe John bap. 1794 is son of Henry Clark and Mary is my family brother to Philip and Edward who emigrated to US Check out Playden Clark post LizR
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hi marinerclark, not understanding your comment confused where clark fits in, also playden clark?
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I'm trying to tie the John Clark b. 1694 in your first post to my Clarks starting with Philip Clark b approx 1733 Playden Clark is the topic on the Sussex Board I have some more info about Henry Clark posted. Hope this made sense. LizR
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Sorry I have not been making any sense. Yes My Henry and yours are probably the same. Do you have John Clark in the 1841 census. Henry Clark and John Clark had a joint corn license in the early 1820's. not known if this was father/son or brothers. In 1806 will of Philip Clark Henry's occupation is listed as Grocer. He suffered from seasickness so did not become a mariner like most of the family. Do you have an occ for John. Google Books has "Early Settlers of Sangamon Co Illinois. Story of Henry Clark as told by Edward Clark, Probably John Clark's brother. Edward was born 1790 and died 1875 in Illinois US. I am descended from Margaret Clark born Rye 1814 dau of Philip Clark and Elizabeth Gravett. Elizabeth died 1823 and 5 children sailed to America. Have Henry's parents aand Mercy Waite Parents Will send when I get home this weekend Sorry for mistake read 1794 as 1694 had a migraine LizR
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hi marinerclark,have copy of john's marriage certificate to mary in1813,also copy of henry's baptism in1826 and henry's marr cert to jane gosbee in1846 it states john's occupation as shipwright.is philip,margaret and mercy john's brother and sisters?am starting to get a bit lost here!!!!!!!!john is my great, great, great, grandfather.
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i'm not at home. so this is from memory. If your John is son of Henry Clark born 1759 died 1832(gravstone in Rye St Mary churchyard) then Philip(1787-1854) is his brother, Margaret (1814-1897) is his niece and Mercy Waite is his Grandmother. Mercy Waite married Philip Clark 1754 in Rye They are parents to Henry, Thomas, Philip1767-1815),John,Richard,Mercy,Mary,Margaret. This info from Philip Clark will Documents Online You can download it for 3 pounds 50 pence. Philip Clark had a shipyard on the strand and left enough behind to have a PCC will Mercy Waite (waight) parents were Henery Waight and Grace Ashley married 1728 Rye. I,m stuck on Henry's bap The only one right age to be married in 1728 was born in Graveend. not impossilbe in a mariner family. Whole string of Henry Waite's in Rye before that. Let me know if I'm explaining better now. Good to find you. LizR
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I have read Henry Clark's will proved june 1832 Archdeanry of Lewes. The microfilm of theses wills is on the Family Search Website. Lists of the probates and dates is on the ESRO website. Family search is un indexed and hard to find.
Henry leaves his estate to be divided between all his sons and daughters less any money loaned out to individuals and not repaid. Executers were John Clark, Thomas Clark and James Smith of Cadborough Farm. Will was written in 1819. James Smith died and Thomas Clark went to America. John Applied to be sole executer and was accepted. LizR
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This Henry Clark is in my direct lineage. What is ESRO? I'd like to read the will. Any hints as to where to find it on Family Search? We were told he was buried in St. Mary's Churchyard in Rye, England. I would like proof of that also.
I am descended like this: Henry, Philip Sr., Philip Jr, Sarah Frances Clark Martin, Julia I. Martin Byerly, Richard A Byerly, and then myself. So my great grandmother was a Clark.
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Hi
ESRO is East Sussex Record Office.
Their excellent website is here
http://www.thekeep.info/
You can see the will of Henry Clark on FamilySearch here, if you are logged in as a free member
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6MZ3-L2R?i=331&cat=685691
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Burial of a Henry Clark in Rye, 24 May 1832. Age 73
With link to image of parish register
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFG7-DTT
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This is all great information! Took me a bit to figure out how to reply. This site is all new to me. I need to sit down with all of this and compare, but it does seem that this is my Henry Clark as he died on the 18th of May 1832. Henry had mentioned the names of two sons that remained in England in his will. Henry's son, Phillip Sr. was born on the 25th of March 1827 in Rye, England, married Elizabeth Gravett on 7th March 1810 in Rye, England. She died in England in 1820. It was after the death of his wife that Phillip Clark Sr. came to Illinois. He remarried two more times. Phillip had a brother named Edward who also came to the USA.
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Mountain traveller are you still researching Clarks in Rye? LizR