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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: AiredalePete on Saturday 20 December 08 04:15 GMT (UK)
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"You should only research your direct line", says my dad. 'Piffle', says I, 'I'm having as much fun researching sideways as I am researching upwards. And anyway, I'm more likely to find someone who's still breathing!'
One gloomy Monday morning a couple of years ago, one of my work colleagues from another department came to ask me for a quick photocopying job and whilst the machine was processing the job, we got talking (as you do) about what we had been getting up to over the weekend.
"Nothing much", I replied, "Mostly researching my family tree."
"Is it a big tree?" he asked.
"Biggish," I replied. "Come to think of it, I have ancestors in your neck of the woods. You live at Mytholmroyd and I had family living at Heptonstall."
"Whereabouts at Heptonstall?"
"They had a farm on Wadsworth Moor. It was called 'Good Greave."
"Get away!" he replied, "I have ancestors who also lived at Good Greave. They were called Utley or Uttley and they were yeoman farmers. Some of them broke away from the main family and established the suburb of Uttley near Keighley'.
This last bit of information sparked off an entirely different conversation because I was once the local beat bobby for Uttley and Beechcliffe and I know the area well.
More interestingly, however, was the possibility that we might be related and we have spent the past two years researching that possibility. Until we discover what our exact relationship is, we are content to address one another as 'Uncle', he being at leat two years older than me.
My great grandmother was Mary Ellen WOLFENDEN, born in 1868 in Barnoldswick, the daughter of John WOLFENDEN (1830 - 27/1/1886) and Hannah BAILEY (1836 - 27/3/1911). Mary Ellen was the fifth child, her siblings being:
Thomas (b.28/8/1854 in Paythorne near Gisburn)
Mary Isabella (b.1/8/1857 in Paythorne)
Sarah Cowgill (b. app. 1863 in Todmorden)
James (b.1864 in Barnoldswick) and
Annie Jane (b.1872 in Wadsworth)
The farm at Good Greave comprised at least three dwellings, high on the moor above Heptonstall and in a neighbouring property lived the SHACKLETONS. On the 15th of December, 1873, Thomas SHACKLETON (1842 - 1892) married his neighbour's daughter, Mary Isabella WOLFENDEN, my Great, Great Aunt.
The 1871 census indicates that on the night of the 2nd April 1871, those present at the SHACKLETON residence were:
John Hargreaves 48 Yorkshire, England Servant Wadsworth Yorkshire
Sarah Ann Shackleton 32 Yorkshire, England Sister Wadsworth Yorkshire
Thos Shackleton 28 Yorkshire, England Head Wadsworth Yorkshire
Jane Uttley 67 Yorkshire, England Aunt Wadsworth Yorkshire
John Wigley 16 Yorkshire, England Servant Wadsworth Yorkshire
Address: Good Greave, Wadsworth, Ecclesiastical District of St Thomas,Heptonstall
We therefore have a link with the UTTLEYs through Jane, who, in 1861 was shown as the Head of the household at another neighbouring farm, along with Sarah Ann SHACKLETON, her 22 year old unmarried niece (and Thomas SHACKLETON's sister) and Rich HARTLEY, Jane's 50 year old brother - Jane being 61 at this time.
Jane HARTLEY (b.2/4/1802) turned out to be the sister of Thomas SHACKLETON's mother, Hannah Elizabeth HARTLEY (24/4/1813 - 18/5/1881). Jane married Michael UTTLEY (b.c. 1776) on December 1st, 1829 in Halifax.
My work colleague, whose name I cannot disclose without his permission, has the following UTTLEYs in his tree:
Abraham (Chr. 1772)
Betty (Chr. 1771)
Betty (Chr. 1778)
Betty (1781 - 1857)
Grace (Chr. 1778)
Grace (b.1784)
John (Chr. 1766)
Jonathan (Chr. 1776)
Jonathan (Chr. 1744)
Martha (Chr. 1779)
Michael (Chr. 1772)
Sally (Chr. 1776)
Sarah (Chr. 1775) and
Susan (Chr.1775)
The challenge confronting my friend and me is to discover which of the above UTTLEYs in his tree was related to Michael UTTLEY (born around 1776) in my tree. It's a shame that the two Michaels were not born and christened the other way around, in 1772 and 1776 respectively.
Part of the problem is that the small town of Heptonstall, which prior to the Industrial Revolution was a thriving agricultural centre, was absolutely awash with SHACKLETONs and UTTLEYs. There were scores of them and they shared similar names. It must have been a nightmare for anyone delivering mail.
One day, I am optimistic that we shall discover our exact relationship. For the time being though, we are content to perpetuate our long standing - and to our colleagues, very confusing - joke of addressing one another as 'Uncle'.
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Interesting - my lot lived just over the hill in Haworth. I have Utleys, Shackletons and Hartleys. -
John Hartley 1824 married Susy Bland
Elizabeth Hartley abt 1830 married Humphrey Wood
James Hartley 1859 married Mary Sunderland
John Utley abt 1793 married Hannah Bland
Michael Shackleton 1848 married Hannah Robinson
Paul Shackleton 1841 married Mary Wood
Emma Shackleton 1877 married Jonas Thornton
I have had Good Greave come up in my research but at the moment I don't remember the context (old timers disease), I'll have to look back through my notes for that one.
Are any of mine related ? or do any of yours have Haworth connections ?
Dave
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Hi Dave
Thank you for the information.
What you have told me is potentially very interesting and it has certainly given me lots more to research this evening.
I will of course keep you posted if you turn out to be another of my uncles. :)
My great grandmother on my father's side was Sarah Ann SUNDERLAND (1856 in Haworth - 1934) who married Samuel ROBINSON (1850 - 1929).
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I have long had it in my mind that villages in close proximity to each other would have provided potential brides and grooms so as to avoid incestuous relationships.
Haworth, Heptonstall, Blackshaw Head, Stanbury, Oxenhope etc might well have had such a relationship to each other.
There is a PM in your in-box
Dave
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Still no nearer connecting your ancestors but I found this postcard.
On the back is written in the same hand as the front -
Miss M. Shackleton
April 3rd 1924
nothing else
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Dave, thank you for posting this photograph. I do love a good mystery.
1924 is a little too recent for researching the occupants of the pub via the censuses, so perhaps a trade directory might be available...
I wonder if the pub is still there...
I wonder which Miss M. Shackleton is referred to in the handwriting...
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From Malcolm Bulls Calderdale Companion
1905 - 1917 Joshua Shackleton - Landlord (I think I have the name and dates right but please check).
As far as I know the pub is still there, my parents used to visit in the 60's
Dave
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I'm delighted to find that Malcolm Bull's Calderdale Companion is still in existence, having been threatened with closure last October when AOL Homepage was discontinued.
What a treasure trove of information it contains!
I notice that the address of the pub is now 'Wainstalls Lane, Lower Saltonstall' and that the pub itself is associated with an interesting local legend...
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/p200_c.html
Here's the pub more recently...
(http://www.pgtaylor.co.uk/Peter/catinthewellpub.jpg)
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Just to add a few more into the mix
Hannah Uttley (1838) Heptonstall married Gregory Ackroyd Hodgson in 1863, when he died she married John Sunderland born Stansfield approx 1824
Do these ring any bells?
I think her parents may be John and Grace Uttley of Old Gate, Hebden Bridge
just to add another name that has already been mentioned too :) Thomas Henry Sutcliffe (my GG Grandfather) married Mary Jane (Polly) Hartley granddaughter of King Coiner David Hartley
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Madpants, (I can't ever remember addressing a lady in quite that way before :)), thank you for bringing these surnames to the discussion. Most of them do ring bells but at the moment, as far as my own family is concerned, none of the dates match my ancestors.
I shall now check the Heptonstall memorials to see if any of them are mentioned there, although I think I have already included the ones with whom I am able to confirm a line of descent.
BTW I wasn't able to find a John SUNDERLAND, born c. 1824 in Stansfield though I did find one in the 1881 census who was born in Halifax in 1824 and lived in Stansfield in 1881.
Edited to add that I have now found them in the 1891 census along with their daughters, Judith and Ada.
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HI,
Do you have any relatives or knowledge of the below Shackletons from Lower Booths/Rochdale area Lancashire?
John Shackleton ( head ) born abt - 1832 Rochdale, Lancs
Ann Shackleton ( wife) born 1831 Facit
Mary Shackleton ( Dau) born abt 1855 Stacksteads
Tom Shackleton ( son ) born abt 1859 Rawtenstall
Edith Shackleton ( dau) born abt 1860 Rawtenstall
Best Regards
Mariel Heald
LEICESTERSHIRE, UK
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Hi Dave
Shackletons of Haworth are my ancestors. Emma Shack as we new her was my Grandma Thornton and lived on Sun Street, she married Jonas Thornton, he was b Otley but his father John was from Haworth.
I have more info of the Shackletons of Haworth if you are interested.
Bettalma :)
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Mariel, I'm sorry I dom't have any information on the Shackletons from the Rochdale area though I do have three cousins called Shackleton in Manchester. There may well be a common link though I haven't discovered it yet.
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Bettalma,
Hi we have been in contact before and confirmed the relationship.
I'll send you a PM with my latest email address
Pete Your Baguley's are of interest. My step father's ancestors came to Bradford from Liverpool and Cheshire before that
Dave
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Pete,
I have come along way with the Shackletons now from my previous emails, I too have nothing in Manchester yet but I've gone from Rochdale to Ireland now with my tree. Looking at 1600s now.
Best Regards
Mariel Heald
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Pete Your Baguley's are of interest. My step father's ancestors came to Bradford from Liverpool and Cheshire before that
Dave
Hi Dave, Yes I think we have been in contact with one another previously, in August and September 2006. I think your step sister was in the process of moving house at the time. You are in my list of people to contact in the event of my discovering anything new about the Baguley family.
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On the 15th of December, 1873, Thomas SHACKLETON (1842 - 1892) married his neighbour's daughter, Mary Isabella WOLFENDEN, my Great, Great Aunt.
I have now established that Thomas SHACKLETON, mentioned in my quote above, died in 1890 and not 1892. This would explain why I cannot find him in the 1891 census.
The inscription on the memorial reads:
In Affectionate Remembrance of
JOHN
the son of
THOMAS AND ISABELLA SHACKLETON
of
GOOD GREAVE
BORN JANUARY 29th 1879
DIED FEBRUARY 17th 1879
ALSO OF JAMES THEIR DEARLY BELOVED AND ELDEST SON
BORN OCTOBER 19th 1874
DIED FEBRUARY 14th 1881
ALSO OF ROBERT KAY THEIR SON
BORN APRIL 17th 1880
DIED MARCH 1st 1881
ALSO OF THOMAS SHACKLETON
FATHER OF THE ABOVE CHILDREN
BORN MAY 1st 1842
DIED MAY 16th 1890
ALSO OF RICHARD Wm. FOSTER
THEIR SON
BORN AUGUST 30th 1876
DIED JUNE 11th 1899
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Hi Peter and all, I have been reading your discussions with great interest as they are my ancestors. Thomas was my Great Grandfather, and the others Robert Kay etc. were my great uncles. I really enjoyed reading about them and I have been trying for a copy of Faith Finegan's book, as there is info. about the Wolfenden side of the family i believe. Eric Shackleton
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Hi Eric, it's good to hear from you again.
On page 166 of Faith W. Finegan's book: A Bit Akin, The Story of a North Craven Farming Family, there is a family tree which shows the descendants of Thomas WOLFENDEN, born 1760/1 at Farr Gill. He was the youngest son of James and Ellen WOLFENDEN. Thomas farmed at Sandholmes near Wigglesworth and died in Rathmell at the age of 83. He was buried at Long Preston on the 14th March 1844.
Thomas married Ann CROFT (b.1755) at Long Preston on the 16th June, 1785. Ann died at Sandholmes at the age of 65 and was buried at Long Preston on the 19th June 1820.
They had four children: Ellen (1788), Ann (1790), James (bap. 3 Jan 1793) and Mary (bap. 8 Dec 1799).
James, my great (x 3) grandfather, married Isabella MAUDSLEY at Long Preston on 17 Sep 1814 and they farmed at Ragged Hall, Rathmell. They had 8 children (7 according to the book), the sixth of whom John (b.1828) was my great, great grandfather, Eric, and he was also your great, great grandfather!
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I have the following UTTLEYs in my tree:
Descendants of Jonathan UTTLEY
1 Jonathan UTTLEY
.. +Martha PIGHELLS 1770 -
........ 2 John UTTLEY 1791 -
........ 2 Nathan UTTLEY 1793 -
........ 2 Michael UTTLEY 1795 -
........ 2 Mary UTTLEY 1798 -
........ 2 Pighills UTTLEY 1800 -
........ 2 Hannah UTTLEY 1802 -
........ 2 Sarah UTTLEY 1804 - 1869
............ +James ILLINGWORTH 1803 - 1879
................... 3 Hannah ILLINGWORTH 1828 -
....................... +James BLAND 1825 -
................... 3 Mary Utley ILLINGWORTH 1831 - 1907
....................... +John STEBBINGS 1826 - 1910
................... 3 Martha Marie ILLINGWORTH 1833 -
................... 3 Emma Elizabeth ILLINGWORTH 1836 - 1904
....................... +Hartley WHITTAKER
................... 3 Sarah Marria ILLINGWORTH 1838 -
................... 3 Michael Utley ILLINGWORTH 1840 - 1866
................... 3 William Pickles ILLINGWORTH 1843 -
................... 3 Martha Ellen ILLINGWORTH 1847 -
....................... +Unknown CRAVEN
........ 2 Martha UTTLEY 1806 -
All the UTTLEYs were born in Haworth, which is where Jonathan and Martha were married. Would love to hear from anybody with a link or info.
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Hi Talulah
- James Bland - mother Mary Bland, possibly b 1801 dau of Arthur 1765 and Rebekah nee Moore. Mary had 7 siblings and 3 half siblings. James 1803 was one of them.
Martha Pighells - possible sibling Betty 1769 she married John Howker.
John Uttley 1791 - possibly married Hannah Bland b 1793. Marriage 7 Sep 1813 Haworth. Children - Mary, Thomas, Rebecca, Nathan and John
Note Bronte connections with Patrick's signature on PRs
Dave
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Hi!
John UTTLEY could certainly be the brother of Sarah (my 3 x gt grandmother). How are you connected?
Could you please explain the reference to Patrick?
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Arthur Bland 1731 of Haworth was my 5x ggrandfather. Most of the Blands born in Haworth and Stanbury are connected.
Patrick Bronte was curate of Haworth parish church, I've forgotten the exact dates but it was early 1820s to 50s or so, anyone baptised, married or buried there during that time would have his signature on the Parish registers.
Dave
P.S. welcome to RootsChat
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Hi all, I know this post is almost 4 years old but I have found that John Uttley & Hannah Bland may have had a son Michael Pickles Uttley. MPU married Eliza Hartley 01.04.1838 at Bradford. Eliza is the daughter of William Hartley tinner and postmaster at Haworth.
Dave: This makes my second connection to your Bland family, the first being Eliza's brother John marrying Susey Bland, niece of Hannah above, Susey dies without issue. I also have a third Bland connection, Sally Bland, sister of Hannah above, of Nathan & Betty, marries Jonas Binns, these are my 4G grandparents on a different line. I could probably come up with a fourth relation by marriage through Howker!
Has anyone found where John & Hannah Uttley baptize their children?
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Hi Andrew,
I'm still clinging on to my ancestors and following this thread.
The Howker link that you mention is as follows -
John Bland 1798 son of Nathan and Betty (nee Wilman) marries Nelly Howker 1821 Haworth. Their Dau. Susey b 1822 marries John Hartley 1845 Haworth.
There are other possible links via the Wilman families -
Mary Wilman b 1768 married Arthur Bland 1785 Haworth
Susan Wilman 1797 Stanbury married James Bland 1828 Haworth
The baptism records would be interesting in that they might indicate the move from Heptonstall to Haworth.
Dave
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ok, this bit freaked me out a bit!
"In Affectionate Remembrance of
JOHN
the son of
THOMAS AND ISABELLA SHACKLETON
of
GOOD GREAVE
BORN JANUARY 29th 1879
DIED FEBRUARY 17th 1879"
I was born on 29th Jan too :/
regards,
John Shackleton (Formerly of Rochdale)