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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: KatC on Monday 03 March 08 16:36 GMT (UK)
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Looking for people who attended this church during the 1800's.
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See that this post didn't get any response as it was on the Links- Newmills Presbyterian Church thread (which is now under Armagh Resources).
Perhaps you can give us an idea of what sort of information you are looking for?
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Actually, I was surprised to see the church listed in Co. Armagh, as I think it is along the border but in Co. Down.
Winchesters, Maxwells, Wilsons, McClearys, Lindsays, Hollands, Browns, Adamsons, Dynes, and Sturgeons are surnames of folks who are on-line who went to Newmills. There are many, many intermarriages and we have pieced together a lot of family tree information.
However, we would like to fill the gaps and connect families thought to be related. We would love to hear from people related to Doaks, Harrisons, Calverts, Whitesides, Magowans, Carsons. Boyces, Rogers. Chambers, McMurrans, McIlwaines, etc.
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Address is Portadown, Craigavon (not to be confused with Newmills Presbyterian Church, Co. Tyrone). You've posted this under Co. Armagh but let me know if you'd like me to move it over to Co. Down.
Press release from 2003 regarding opening of church after being completely destroyed by fire 2 years before:
www.presbyterianireland.org/NEWS/news2003/news0447.html
Here's the church website which says it's between Gilford and Portadown. There's also a contact section there:
www.newmillspresbyterian.org/testabout.html
And a map from their website:
www.newmillspresbyterian.org/images/newmills-map.gif
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Hi Kat and Aghadowey,
I do not think we have been in contact for quite a while now Kat but just to let you know there are people still in the vicintity with some of these surnames. I will email you.
I live on the same road as Newmills church.
My postal address is Portadown, Co Armagh but physically according to maps old and new I live in Co. Down . Perhaps the formation of the new city(or as some would say monstrocity) of Craigavon has more to do with our postal address than geography.
I think perhaps maybe having a posting in both boards would be beneficial as the churchgoers of Newmills lived both in Seagoe Parish (Co.Armagh)and Tullylish Parish(Co. Down).
Aljepeka
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My great-grandmother, Martha Mulligan was a member of the Newmills Presbyterian Church, Co. Tyrone. She became a member of the Temperance Society there as a young person.
Moira
In actual fact, I just assumed that Martha was from Tyrone as a young person but I have no proof of that. I do know that Martha joined the juvenile temperance society's Band of Hope in March 1856 and her pledge card was signed by a "James Foster" at "Newmils". I am not sure how I would find out which Newmills she would have attended?
Moira
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Unfortunately I was referring to the one near Portadown. I've noticed the one your folks went to. It seems more well known, but I having nothing and no one from that area.
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Unfortunately I was referring to the one near Portadown. I've noticed the one your folks went to. It seems more well known, but I having nothing and no one from that area.
I'm one of the Kirk Session in Newmills nr Portadown.
There are quite a few Doaks, Harrisons, Calverts, Chambers, McIlwaines etc. at the church today.
If you are looking for some specifics let me know. I could ask some of the family concerned.
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Thank you for getting back to me however after more research, I discovered my great grandmother Martha Mulligan attended the Newmills Presbyterian Church in Tyrone. I had no idea initially that there were 2 Newmills Presbyterian churches.
I am still looking for further information about her though. I did find out her father's name was William Mulligan.
It is wonderful to know that this is an active web site.
Moira
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It was KatC who started this thread and was looking for details for Newmills Presbyterian Church near Portadown. Hopefully she'll soon see gbrown's offer to help with information on the families from this congregation.
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Thank you so much for offering to contact people. I am trying to follow Doaks right now and waiting for a partial listing of Newmills baptisms and/or marriages to be mailed to me by a friend. Friends have provided tons of help with Wilsons, McClearys (including Zeke), Browns, and Maxwells, but the names you name are still elusive.
When I have gleaned what I can from the baptism/marriage records, I would love to have you ask the families concerned for corrections or miscellaneous information. Unfortunately, my grandfather Boyd McC. moved away from Amsterdam,NY, so I did not grow up knowing the families there and can't share recollections.
Your new church is absolutely gorgeous on the inside and feels so much like the pictures of the old one on the outside. That was a nice touch. I especially liked the care taken to provide for younger folk in the church.
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I am also trying to find out information on the Fowler family buried at Newmills Presbyterian church. I have been told that the grave was moved when the entrance to the door of the church was changed. The headstone which I understand was replaced, just gives the name Fowler but does not say who is in the grave.
If anyone could give me some information regards this it would be much appreciated
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Thank you so much for offering to contact people. I am trying to follow Doaks right now and waiting for a partial listing of Newmills baptisms and/or marriages to be mailed to me by a friend. Friends have provided tons of help with Wilsons, McClearys (including Zeke), Browns, and Maxwells, but the names you name are still elusive.
When I have gleaned what I can from the baptism/marriage records, I would love to have you ask the families concerned for corrections or miscellaneous information. Unfortunately, my grandfather Boyd McC. moved away from Amsterdam,NY, so I did not grow up knowing the families there and can't share recollections.
Your new church is absolutely gorgeous on the inside and feels so much like the pictures of the old one on the outside. That was a nice touch. I especially liked the care taken to provide for younger folk in the church.
No problem Kat C. We're very glad you like the new church - we tried to be consistent with the tradition and scheme of the former church while also taking the opportunity to make things more comfortable/updated/spacious. We have also recently built a new Youth Centre attached to the Campbell Hall beside the Church so we have made a lot of progress in the last 10 years. We have also seen numbers increase - but still have a strong base of families who have been coming to the Church for generations.
If you are in contact with Zeke McCleary you are definitely speaking to the right person. They're won't be much he doesn't know about the past and the present.
There are two Doak families at the Church and two Doake families. Bertie Wilson is one of the Elders and I know his family roots are deep in the church/area. There are at least 3 other Wilson families.
There are six Harrison families, ten Calvert families, nine Chambers families and one McIlwaine family.
If you would like to send me a personal message or reply with your name and some more specifics of your family and who you are trying to trace I would be happy to try to find out more information.
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Hi there, couldn't help but notice your display name "gbrown" - do you know of any Newmills Browns in the 1800s? I have friends in Texas who were over last year searching for Samuel, James/John and Sarah Brown, all born about 1865-75, to a Samuel Brown - the mother was a Waring.
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Eliza Waring was widowed when she married Samuel and her father was Thomas McDowell. Samuel was also a widower and his father was George Brown. The marriage was on Mar 14, 1866. All per familysearch.
As a completely wild guess I would look at Thomas McDowell with wife possibly Emma who had son Thomas in 1842. He looks like he might live in the right area at the right time. Griffiths would help.
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There is a birth of Mary Ann Warren to John Warren and Betty Jane McDowell March 3, 1864.
Thomas McDowell, also spelled McDole, was married to Emily. They lived in Clare, Co Down and birth records also say Ballynagarrick. Thomas probably died 1862 in Clare at the age of 57. Nevertheless he might be in Ballynagarrick in Griffiths. I can find births of Thomas, Hannah, and Mary Ann, but not Betty Jane. So, it is not clear he is the right father. There is a Maria McEke?, dau of Thomas McDowell of Clare buried at Knocknamuckley in 1935 which might mean something to your friend.
Newmills records have at least 2 children's baptisms for Samuel and Betty Jane Brown. I have yet to see a reference to George or Samuel's earlier marriage.
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Thanks KatC, you've got the right folk!
I'll email you about it - you know me! :)
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I have just found this thread which I hope someone from the Newmills church is still following :)
My great grandparents, Samuel Wilson (1837-1920approx) and Esther Leathem were married at Newmills Presbyterian Church, Portadown on 27thAugust 1864. Samuel's father was listed as William Wilson, farmer and weaver of Ballydougan and so was Esther's father John Leathem. Shortly afterwards, they emigrated to NZ sponsored by David Wilson (1826-1911) who was married to Rachel Joyce in the same church in 1859. I would like to work out the relationship between Samuel and David. I would also really appreciate a photo of the old church before it burnt down in 2002. Are there any descendants of William Wilson still attending the church?
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Pics on Google.. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g36/
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I will send you the name of the Ballydougan researcher in case he doesn't see this. Samuel, I think, was claimed by 2 different families, but the link with Davids are too strong for him not to be in our tree. At the time I talked with the researcher, he had Thomas or David born before 1780 and married to a Carson. Son John went to Virginia, USA, son Thomas had children James, Samuel and John, son David who married Alice Dickson with many kids, Samuel who married Jenny Adamson, dau Martha who married Wm Maskimon or Maskinnon and James.
Your William was said to marrry Margaret Ferris by the other family, and is thought to have children Ann per other family, John, Samuel, and James.