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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: ash213 on Saturday 27 December 08 16:33 GMT (UK)
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Found out my great grandfather's original surname was Blaschofsky. Anyone know anything about it?
His father was Solomon Kosky (Blaschofsky) I'd like to trace these roots.
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There are several variants on the name Blaschofsky on census, and all seem to come originally from Poland:
Blachowski
Blashcosket/Blaskosket
Blaskowski
etc
There are also Koski/Kosky families from Poland.
What is your great-grandfather's name and date of birth?
Rambler
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To avoid duplication of efforts, please check out this topic too:
Topic: Kosky's to England from Poland spelt Blachskosky???
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,339568.0.html
Bob
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Thanks Bob - the topic seems to have been covered pretty thoroughly on the other thread!
Rambler
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There are several variants on the name Blaschofsky on census, and all seem to come originally from Poland:
Blachowski
Blashcosket/Blaskosket
Blaskowski
etc
There are also Koski/Kosky families from Poland.
What is your great-grandfather's name and date of birth?
Rambler
cyril kosky is my grandfather
his father is joseph kosky, died 6th april 1944 aged 56
i would like to find joseph's parents. i know his dad is called solomon and i believe they must of had the surname Blaschofsky. but i know nothing else.
thanks
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can anyone help?? ???
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It is vital to establish the real identity of Photz.
Are you certain that the Kosky/Levine marriage in the Great Synagogue is the right one?
The GS was destroyed during WWII. You need to contact the London Beth Din of the United Synagogue. This is the rabbinical court for the US, which is the umbrella organisation for Jewish congregations in London. The number is 020 8343 8989.
You should enquire about the marriage authorisation for the couple. This document in English and Hebrew should state the places of birth of the groom and bride. If you send me your email address by PM, I can send you an example.
The surname Blaszkowski (or similar) appears in numerous BMD records of former Congress Poland, i.e. the territory under Russian rule. I would be quite hopeful that you can trace the Jewish roots of this family.
Justin
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Here's the explanation that I would have sent you.
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/Marriage_Authorisations.shtml
Justin
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It is vital to establish the real identity of Photz.
Are you certain that the Kosky/Levine marriage in the Great Synagogue is the right one?
The GS was destroyed during WWII. You need to contact the London Beth Din of the United Synagogue. This is the rabbinical court for the US, which is the umbrella organisation for Jewish congregations in London. The number is 020 8343 8989.
You should enquire about the marriage authorisation for the couple. This document in English and Hebrew should state the places of birth of the groom and bride. If you send me your email address by PM, I can send you an example.
The surname Blaszkowski (or similar) appears in numerous BMD records of former Congress Poland, i.e. the territory under Russian rule. I would be quite hopeful that you can trace the Jewish roots of this family.
Justin
Thankyou for your help.
I am certain the Kosky/Levine marriage in the Great Synagogue is the right one.
On the English marraige certificate the details are 22/04/1917.
Joseph Kosky was 29, a ladies taylor and his father was called Solomon Kosky who was a clothier.
Where joseph kosky was supposed to sign at the bottom it has a small scribble, like a circle, then in brackets the words 'the mark of joseph kosky' ........... so maybe he couldnt read or write? or even know english, etc?
I have just had a look and I seem to have a document of the marriage in hebrew which at the top says 'united synagogue' london. I presume this is the hebrew marraige certificate...if i sent it to someone could they translate or even find if there is any important info on it?
So you think i will be able to trace Solomon Kosky (Blaschofsky) ??? That would be great...I just dont know what to do..
Thanks!
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You could well have the ketuba (the Jewish marriage contract). Can you scan it and post it here?
However, the ketuba will only tell the bride's and groom's full Hebrew names. It was actually written in Aramaic, but there are standard translations on the web.
The marriage authorisation is mostly in English and is of more use - genealogically speaking.
If the scanned image is too big to post send me a PM and I'll give you my email address.
A huge number of BMD records from the Jewish communities of the Russian Pale have survived the many wars. The are being progressively transcribed from Russian (and Polish for earlier records) and put into a database hosted by JewishGen. If you search the web for JRI-Poland (i.e. Jewish Records Indexing - Poland) you'll find the database.
We need to establish Josef's placed of birth.
Justin
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You could well have the ketuba (the Jewish marriage contract). Can you scan it and post it here?
However, the ketuba will only tell the bride's and groom's full Hebrew names. It was actually written in Aramaic, but there are standard translations on the web.
The marriage authorisation is mostly in English and is of more use - genealogically speaking.
If the scanned image is too big to post send me a PM and I'll give you my email address.
A huge number of BMD records from the Jewish communities of the Russian Pale have survived the many wars. The are being progressively transcribed from Russian (and Polish for earlier records) and put into a database hosted by JewishGen. If you search the web for JRI-Poland (i.e. Jewish Records Indexing - Poland) you'll find the database.
We need to establish Josef's placed of birth.
Justin
the place of birth of joseph is london some where,think whitechapel!
anyway here are the scans....please help!
http://picasaweb.google.com/bristolhermit/UntitledAlbum?feat=directlink
interestingly this has also been found...possible relativE?
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What you have there is the ketuba - the marriage contract or covenant as it was called by the United Synagogue.
The full Hebrew names are:
Groom: Yosef ben (son of) Shlomoh ha'mechune (known as) Zalman
Bride: Chana bat (daughter of) Shemuel Ya'acov ha-Levi (the Levite)
In your post of 10 November you stated that your father had said that Josef was born in a place called Photz. I thought the birth in Whitechapel had been ruled out.
Justin
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What you have there is the ketuba - the marriage contract or covenant as it was called by the United Synagogue.
The full Hebrew names are:
Groom: Yosef ben (son of) Shlomoh ha'mechune (known as) Zalman
Bride: Chana bat (daughter of) Shemuel Ya'acov ha-Levi (the Levite)
In your post of 10 November you stated that your father had said that Josef was born in a place called Photz. I thought the birth in Whitechapel had been ruled out.
Justin
Thanks so much,
So joseph koskys hebrew name is Yosef ben? And his father solomon is called Shlomoh ha'mechune ?
Can we search for Shlomoh ha'mechune at all?
I need to do some research regarding joseph birth, but im sure it was england, i think it was solomon who wasnt born here. but had joseph in england.
thanks
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You'll need to learn a smattering of Hebrew, as I had to. The words in italics below are Hebrew.
ben = son of
bat = daughter of
ha'mechune = also known as
ha-Levi = the Levite
That makes:
Yosef son of Shlomoh also known as Zalman
Chana daughter of Shemuel Ya'acov the Levite
The marriage authorisation, which costs about £20 I believe, would clarify Joseph's place of birth. Not cheap, I know. Do you have any other way information sources?
Justin
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You'll need to learn a smattering of Hebrew, as I had to. The words in italics below are Hebrew.
ben = son of
bat = daughter of
ha'mechune = also known as
ha-Levi = the Levite
That makes:
Yosef son of Shlomoh also known as Zalman
Chana daughter of Shemuel Ya'acov the Levite
The marriage authorisation, which costs about £20 I believe, would clarify Joseph's place of birth. Not cheap, I know. Do you have any other way information sources?
Justin
Cheers , i have no other way of gaining information.
So i should gain the marriage authorisation of joseph and anne? £20? i would pay that...would it provide me with info of josephs parents etc..?
im sure this is my joseph
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=96450280&d=bmd_1230653002
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We appear to be going round in circles.
KerryEL clarified that the Joseph Kosky born in Whitechapel in Q2 1897 was her ancestor. He was also the son of Barnet Kosky, NOT of Solomon/Zalman.
I gather that your Joseph was either 27 or 29 when he married in 1917, i.e. born in about 1890. Therefore, he cannot be the above Joseph.
Can you post the civil marriage cert to the same website as you did for the ketuba?
The marriage authorisation will not give you any further info on the bride's and groom's parents. If you go to the link I cited previously you can view an example.
Before I go I should explain that Solomon is the Anglicized form of the Hebrew name Shlomoh. Zalman was the common Yiddish nickname for men called Shlomoh.
Justin
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We appear to be going round in circles.
KerryEL clarified that the Joseph Kosky born in Whitechapel in Q2 1897 was her ancestor. He was also the son of Barnet Kosky, NOT of Solomon/Zalman.
I gather that your Joseph was either 27 or 29 when he married in 1917, i.e. born in about 1890. Therefore, he cannot be the above Joseph.
Can you post the civil marriage cert to the same website as you did for the ketuba?
The marriage authorisation will not give you any further info on the bride's and groom's parents. If you go to the link I cited previously you can view an example.
Before I go I should explain that Solomon is the Anglicized form of the Hebrew name Shlomoh. Zalman was the common Yiddish nickname for men called Shlomoh.
Justin
Thanks for the help, i'll post the other scans when i get home from work.
cheers
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Hello,
While your scanning can you have a look at the bottom of the ketuba. Have you missed three lines of hand-written Hebrew - signatures in fact. Joeseph may not have been able to write in English, but I would guess that Hebrew/Yiddish would not have been a problem for him.
All the best,
Justin
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Hello,
While your scanning can you have a look at the bottom of the ketuba. Have you missed three lines of hand-written Hebrew - signatures in fact. Joeseph may not have been able to write in English, but I would guess that Hebrew/Yiddish would not have been a problem for him.
All the best,
Justin
i have uploaded more pics. cyril kosky is josephs son.
at present i cannot scan the rest of the ketuba because my father has it