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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: jsturner on Monday 29 December 08 16:20 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know where I might get a list of men who signed up for the Bradford Pals?
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Hi
What name are you looking for i have a list of original 16th (1st Pals) and quite a few others in the 18th(2nd pals)
Ady
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Hi, his name was Frank Laverack born in 1881. Thanks for the offer
Jude
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Hi Jude
Hes not listed on the 1st 1000 volunteers in Nov 1914 but could have joined later...Was he from Bradford? The library has the City Roll which lists men who served with dates and addresses.It also has a card index of all men that are mentioned in the local papers.
Ady
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=first_name%3dfrank%7clast_name%3dlaverack&catid=10&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*
If he went overseas he isnt listed as doing so with the Bradford Pals who were 16th and 18th West Yorkshire Regiment...There are also 2x Laveracks listed as WYR but not Frank.
Ady
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Yes he lived in Bradford at the outbreak of war but was born in York, he was in Bradford on 1901 census
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I think i may have found him on Ancestry Service Records...Did he live at Grafton Street Bradford?
If so he was in the Home Service Company of the Labour Corps...Theres about 19 pages just looked at the third page it lists family members.
Ady
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Is this the same family?
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YES, this is the family, wow, thanks a bunch
Jude
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what exactly did the home service company of the labour corps do? do you have any further info on him?
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http://www.geocities.com/labour_corps/work.htm
If you PM me an email address ill download his records and email you them later today or tomorrow.
Ady :)
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http://www.1914-1918.net/labour.htm
Brian
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This is your man.He enlisted in 1915 with North Staffs Regiment.He went to France after Jan 1916 and sometime later in 1917 transferred to Labour Corps.
Will email you the Pension Record he applied for also.
He served in 3rd and 9th North Staffs before transfer.
Entitled to British War and Victory Medals.
Good result as only 30% of records survive you are lucky! :)
Ady
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Heres his service sheet
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Hello mmm45,
Do you by any chance have anyone by the name of Joseph Gullon on your list ?
He was in the ASC and we believe he signed up in Bradford.
Many thanks
Mary
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Hi Mary
He isnt on the list but it only contains lads who joined the 16th West Yorks Regiment.
If he lived in Bradford theres a good chance his details are on the City Roll in the library.
Ady
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Hi Ady
He was a farmer from Whitby - but thank you for checking :)
Mary
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Hello ,i have just come across you messages about the Bradford Pals ,I dont know where to get hold of a list of soldiers who was in the bradford pals ,as im trying to find as much information or pictures of my Grandfathers time in the Bradford Pals .I have cuttings from the Telegraph and Argus about him.
20th July 1917 .COULTOUS Private G.E. has been wonded after 10 months service in France,and is in hospital at winchester.
3 may 1918
Coultous Pte. George ,York and Lanc Reg fomerly of the West Yorkshire Reg.has been wonded in the leg and is in hospital in Pickering Yorks .Third time he had been wounded
He rsidrd at holdworth buildings eccelshill
any information or if you could direct me in the right direction on who to contact would be great
sarah
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Hes transcribed on the Medal Index Cards as George E Coulton
Served as 1550 Private in the West Yorkshire Regiment Then with York and Lancasters and finally with the Waterways and Railway companies of the Royal Engineers.
I suspect that he wasnt a Bradford Pal(they were 16th and 18th Batts West Yorkshire Regiment) but a member of the 1/6th or 2/6th West Yorkshires who were Territorials.
He went overseas after 1st Jan 1916 and was entitled to a British War and Victory medals
The 1/6th,2/6th were Bradford based Territorials.(BRADFORD PALS 16th Batt went overseas in Dec 1915 and were entitled to 15 Star)
There are Histories of the 6th Batt written by Major Tempest ...Its not unusual for a lad to be moved regiments when wounded.
Is he on the Roll in the City library...There maybe photos in the gallant heroes section also.
Ady :)
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thanks Ady thats brill i will have a look at on the Roll in the City library,why i was looking for him in the Bradford Pals was because another article i found where his sons were all in the 2nd world war at the same time it said he severed with the Bradford Pals ,I thought it might have been a surname error thats why i found it hard to trace him :)
thanks once again sarah
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Hi
I am a teacher in a Bradford primary school. We are planning some work to commemorate the anniversary of WW1 and thought it might be more 'real' and relevant to the pupils if we found out about the Bradford Pals. I was hoping t take it a stage further in my class by finding out about an actual soldier. Someone has been kind enough to lend me her grandfather's medals, a photo and some postcards he sent home to his wife. However, despite hours of searching, I cannot find any more information about him. I stumbled across this site and wondered if anyone could help?
The man's name was Charles Edward Fawcett, his wife was Ellen Williamson, he had a daughter called Emily who died, and another daughter called Mary Annie Patricia Lily born in 1912. He also had 2 brothers who died on the same day in the war, but I don't know their names.
Thank you for reading - I hope someone can help xx
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Hi
If you get your pupil to look at the rims of the medals then his number will be impressed into them
Only about 30% of records survive but we can help with some info and tell you where to look.
Suspect that one of brothers was Joseph Fawcett 18/76 from Listerhills on census he was killed on 1st day of Somme with 2nd Bradford Pals L...there was a brother called Richard too but can't see him listed as dead
Ady
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Wow I hadn't noticed that! It says 240886 PTE C E FAWCETT
x
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In that case he was a Territorial probably in 1\6th battalion they were Bradford territorial based soldiers.
Ady
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Thank you so much for replying.
How do I find out more? I've found a book about the pals that I'm reading for general background, but would love to be able to tell the children about an actual person.
Netty x
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What else does it say on rim ?West Yorkshire Reg?
Ralph Hudson wrote a good book on the Bradford Pals there is info in city library
I'm pretty certain waterstones in Bradford do a children's book on the pals too
Ady
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Yes it says W. YORK. R
Is there nowhere else I can look on Internet? I'll struggle to get to library as I'm at work until at least 6 every day :-\
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http://www.bradlibs.com/bradfordpals/book/index.htm
Have a Google of Great War Forum that will give you a lot of info on WW1
The Bradford Roll of Honour has been put online to view it has regiments and addresses of men from Bradford who served.
A guy called Tempest wrote the history of 1/6th there is a nominal roll in it.
He was originally numbered 2998 and probably injured or sick as he transferred to the Labour corps too.he was discharged in 1919
Ady
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Hi Ady
How did u know his other number? I've got that on one of his medals! X
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Medal index cards are on ancestry they give a mans medal entitlement and sometimes other info
Ady
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I thought that your idea was such a good one that I wanted to assist if I could so I spent an hour earlier looking up your chap.
His name was actually Charles Edmund Fawcett b. Bradford 11/3/1886. Son of John Robert Fawcett b. Leeds 1866 and Elizabeth Ann Clegg b. Gatehouse, Scotland 1863.
Baptised St Peter's Bradford 18/4/1886 (Became Bradford Cathedral 1919)
1901 Census: 44 Fieldhead Street, Listerhills.
1911 Census: 4 Primrose Terrace, Bradford. Lodger at his future wife's home. Ellen Williamson is 26 and a restaurant waitress. Charles is 25 and a Dyer's Labourer.
(Primrose Terrace no longer exists but 1911 Census return suggests it is just off White Abbey Road. Near to existing Primrose Street)
Charles had 4 brothers (Joseph Robert, Richard Clegg, William Frederick and Henry) and 2 sisters (Mary A and Isabella)
As Ady has already stated your man was not a Bradford Pal but his brother Joseph was.
Pte 18/176 Joseph Robert Fawcett was Killed in Action (KIA) on the first day of the Battle of the Somme (1/7/1916) serving with 18 Bn West Yorks (2nd Pals) Age 27. He has no known grave but is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial in France. Additional information states “Husband of Rhoda Fawcett, of 19, Lower Lane, Wakefield Rd., Bradford, Yorks.”
Pte 341036 Richard Clegg Fawcett – 1st Bn Northumberland Fusiliers KIA 23/8/1918 and is buried at Douchy-Les-Ayette British Cemetery in France. (CWGC has his number as 341026. Medal Index Card 341036)
So it is true that Charles had two brothers killed in WW1 but not on the same day.
I couldn't confirm military service for William Frederick but did find his marriage to Amy Hardaker 26/12/1919 at St Mary’s, Laisterdyke. He died in Bradford 1972 Age 76.
The fourth brother Henry died in 1912 age just 11 years old.
Charles married Ellen Williamson in 1911 and as far as I can tell they had just the two children that you mention.
Mary A.P.L. b. Bradford 1912
Emily b 1915 Bradford. d. 1917 Age 1 Yr.
Charles died in Bradford 1952 age 65.
I hope this is helpful and is not too late for you. If you need anything else or more detail please get in touch.
Martin
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Martin, thank you so much for all of this information. The children have loved learning about ww1 and have done some fantastic work. Being able to handle the medals ands letters really helped. They will be really interested in learning more about Charles. We spent a lot of time 'putting ourselves in his shoes'. The letters they wrote home from the trenches were great.
I will also pass on the information to Charles' granddaughter who lent me the medals. I know she wanted to know more about him so she will be so happy with the information.
Thank you again, I really appreciate you giving up your time to find out so much for us. X
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Hello. I have just discovered this post. I don't know if it was from this year or a previous year. I am a great grandson of Richard Clegg Fawcett, brother of Charles Fawcett who you were interested in. I would very much like to exchange information, photos etc with Charles Fawcett's granddaughter if that is possible. I have copies of several photos of family members of that generation (and before), including Charles, plus letters home from Richard and Joseph during WW1. Is there any way we could get in touch? By the way, I have also been in touch with descendants of Joseph Fawcett (and a much younger brother not mentioned). One of them has done a lot of family history research.
Malcolm
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Not sure if anybody is looking at this but I would like help finding information on my Grandfather.
I believe he joined up with the Bradford Pals.
Private John Charles Parker 33467 Yorkshire Regiment.
I wondered if he was listed and what info is available.
My belief is he was wounded in Italy and possibly was awarded the British War Medal and the Victory Medal, not sure if he was eligible for any others.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi I'm new to this page & hoping someone can help me find info on my grandfather. His name was Albert Williams & he died when he was approx 25yo leaving behind his wife Ellen & sons Kenneth, Stanley& Derek
They lived in Bradford & he was a member of Bradford pals
He died in approximately 1939 & there was a procession up street for his funeral
Any info on where to start or who to contact would be appreciated
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Hello & Welcome.
Can you confirm he died in 1939 aged 25.
This would give him a D.O.B. of 1914.
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Thanks for responding 😀
Soooo my dad (kenneth) is 91yo & his memory is fading but dad was 8-9yo when his dad passed so we think 1939 & he was in Royal Artillery & was buried at Scholemoor cemetery in Bradford after a street procession.
They lived on Cordingley St in Bradford
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You can apply online for his service record which be at the MOD.
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Can you explain how I do that please?
I live in Australia & have no idea on how to research this from so far away🙂
Plus I'm not very techno so any help is appreciated
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This explains how to apply.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records