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Title: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Macharskin on Monday 29 December 08 17:54 GMT (UK)
I would appreciate advice on how I might establish from which community in Derry/Londonderry my ancestors originated.

According to the Scottish 1851 Wigtownshire census,  Agnes, Elizabeth, George, Sarah, Martha, Mary and William MANN were born in Ireland between about 1834 and 1849 to James Mann and Janet LOUGHRIE.  Agnes Mann specified Co Derry/Londonderry in 1871-1901 Wigtownshire censuses as her birthplace so I am hoping that the rest of the family came from the same place.

Mother Janet was apparently born in Portpatrick, Wigtownshire, but her father Henry Loughrie was Irish, born abt 1771 (from 1851 Census). 

The Loughrie name has been spelled LOCHARY, LOUCHIE, LAWRIE in later documents which has slowed tracing the family somewhat!

Regards, Michael.

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: akanex2 on Monday 29 December 08 18:37 GMT (UK)
I also have Mann and Loughrey relations from Co Londonderry.  I don't know if they are connected to yours but I can give you locations to check out.

My gt gt gt grandfather's sister Thomasina Church married Henry Mann of Castledawson in the south of the county, who would be the same sort of age as your James Mann.  Henry and Thomasina had a inn/hotel at Hillhead outside Castledawson and also farmed.  Their only child I know of is William Church Mann who died in 1893.

Henry Loughrey of Ballykelly was my gt gt gt gt grandfather in another line.  Ballykelly is on the shores of Lough Foyle in the north of the county, near Limavady.  His daughter, my gt gt gt grandmother Elizabeth, married Robert Blair and moved to Aghadowey near Coleraine.  She died in 1907 aged 97.  I suspect that her father was the Henry Loughrey who married Anne Doggett in Tamlaght Finlagan parish church in 1806, but can't be 100% sure as Loughrey was a common name in the area (Ballykelly village is in the parish of Tamlaght Finlagan).

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Macharskin on Tuesday 30 December 08 17:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you for those suggestions, I will try and follow them up.

May I ask how you found the information you have - were you able to find it on the web, or did you have to visit a local records office in the region? 

Best regards, Michael.

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: akanex2 on Tuesday 30 December 08 20:15 GMT (UK)
My primary source in both cases was oral history in the family. The names Henry and Loughrey were used in later generations of the Blair family which kept the memory alive.  The Mann connection was established from letters in the possession of my uncle between his father and the Mann family.  I have found some corroboration in church records in Ballykelly (both the Church of Ireland and Presbyterian records go back to the 1700s and are available on microfilm). Additional information on the Manns was available in old newspapers (Coleraine Chronicle and Londonderry Sentinel births, marriages and deaths available on cdrom from Coleraine Family History Society http://www.coleraine-fhs.org.uk/ ) and wills (see will abstracts on PRONI website http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm ).
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: overmann on Friday 16 October 09 09:32 BST (UK)
Thanks to these posts I now know that my gt gt gt grandparents were Henry Mann and Thomasina Mann (nee Church).  Does anyone have more information on this couple (BDM dates, parents names etc)?  Also, I have found some good information on their son William Church Mann, but I haven't been able to find his wife Margaret's maiden name and the date of their marriage. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: akanex2 on Friday 16 October 09 13:00 BST (UK)
Hi Overmann

I have lots of stuff on the Church side of the family and a copy of William Church Mann's will, but like you don't know Margaret's maiden name.  Thomasina's parents were William and Anne Church (my gt gt gt gt grandparents) and she died on 26 June 1861 (born around 1790).  Once you have made 2 more posts I can PM you more details.  Look forward to swapping info.

AK2
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: overmann on Saturday 17 October 09 00:50 BST (UK)
Thanks Akanex2

So that makes William and Anne Church my gt gt gt gt grandparents as well! The Church name has been carried on within the family since then and I have an uncle with Church as a middle name.  I also have a copy of William Church Mann's will and his son's (Henry Church Mann). Look forward to swapping info.

Thanks again
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: akanex2 on Saturday 17 October 09 00:56 BST (UK)
Hi Overmann

I can send you a personal message once you have made one more posting

Your 5th cousin

AK2
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: vossen on Sunday 18 July 10 19:32 BST (UK)
I would appreciate advice on how I might establish from which community in Derry/Londonderry my ancestors originated.

According to the Scottish 1851 Wigtownshire census,  Agnes, Elizabeth, George, Sarah, Martha, Mary and William MANN were born in Ireland between about 1834 and 1849 to James Mann and Janet LOUGHRIE.  Agnes Mann specified Co Derry/Londonderry in 1871-1901 Wigtownshire censuses as her birthplace so I am hoping that the rest of the family came from the same place.

Mother Janet was apparently born in Portpatrick, Wigtownshire, but her father Henry Loughrie was Irish, born abt 1771 (from 1851 Census). 

The Loughrie name has been spelled LOCHARY, LOUCHIE, LAWRIE in later documents which has slowed tracing the family somewhat!

Regards, Michael.


Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: vossen on Sunday 18 July 10 19:38 BST (UK)
Our Lawrie ancestors came sometime between 1846 adn the 1860s from Ireland back to the Lanarkshire coalmines.  With a long tradition of them being Scots we were surprised to see them listed as from Ireland on the 1871 census... Can you see any connections with your Lawries.

BTW I also found out that a Robert Laurie and his family were granted land to build up the area around Pomeroy during the Ulster Plantations.... no link for me yet...

William LAWRIE was b. Ireland d. 1891 Scotland, son of Joseph LAURIE and Sarah MONTGOMERY/ IE imm. Scotland m. Elizabeth Porter
Elizabeth  PORTER b. Ireland 1820 d. 1864 Cambusnethan.
Known Children of William LAWRIE and Elizabeth PORTER

i.   William JAMES LAWRIE *   Direct Ancestor. b. Ireland c 1845-46imm. to Scotland with parents between 1846 and 1850m. Agnes KENNEDY 1865
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Monday 16 May 11 07:59 BST (UK)
Hello  I have in my family tree ,Henry Church Mann married to Margaret Ann Hanson Ellis

A daughter Thomasina was born  January 1st 1874 
Margaret A H Ellis is related to me through the Hanson family does anybody have more info to share. I have info on the Hanson side
 Richard
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: overmann on Tuesday 17 May 11 01:01 BST (UK)
Hi stuartk

Henry Church Mann and Margaret Anne Hanson Ellis are my gt grandparents.  They had 11 children (that survived to adulthood) - my grandfather John Hercules Ellis Mann emigrated to Australia just before WW1.  Over the intervening century my family lost touch with all the other descendants of Henry and Maggie, until last year when my husband and I began to track them down.  We now have quite a bit of info on Henry and Maggie and their family, but only a tiny amount on the Hanson/Ellis branch.  We would be delighted to share our findings with you.  After you make 2 more posts we can PM you. 

Best wishes, overmann
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Tuesday 17 May 11 01:44 BST (UK)
Great news to hear from you  I have been researching the 'Hanson family" for many years now and every now and then I have good news like this.

 Mary Hanson (daughter of William Hanson and Jane Rankin of Ballylintagh ,Aghadowey Co Derry ,my 4th gt  uncle ) married Daniel Ellis from Crossmancanly .I believe the date was 1845. They both died young as did two of their children. I lost track of Margaret some time ago. Was there a brother James who survived ?
 Margaret is mentioned in  the will of her "aunt Peggy" (for whom she was named) who died in 1863
I send a photo of the Hanson Farm in Macosquin where Margaret's father was born
Look forward to hearing from you
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: overmann on Tuesday 17 May 11 03:40 BST (UK)
Hi stuartk

Thanks for the photo, it looks like a lovely property.

According to our records Daniel and Mary married on 4 October 1845.  Our records show that Margaret Ellis' siblings, James and Jane,  both died young.  We have no record of another sibling.

If William Hanson is your 4x gt uncle, then would George and Margaret Hanson be our first common ancestors (my 4x gt grandparents)?

Here's a photo of Margaret Anne Hanson Mann (nee Ellis).  My Grandfather carried this photo and a lock of her hair half way around the world with him.  Apparently, she was adored by all her children.

We look forward to swapping more info.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Tuesday 17 May 11 06:03 BST (UK)
Dear Overmann   
                        She was very pretty , thank you for the photo

You probably  have this info already from the Coleraine Chronicle

 28 aug 1852 on the 24th inst suddenly Mr Daniel Ellis of Gortaclanny Cottage, Kilrea ,aged 32 years ,deeply regretted by a large number of friends

15 Jun 1861
At her residence  Gortaclanny , near Kilrea on the 6th inst Mary relict of the late Daniel Ellis aged 36 years

23rd May 1863
At the residence of his uncle  George Hanson Esq of Ballylintagh on the 14th inst, James, son of the late Mr Daniel Ellis, Gortaclanny

20 feb 1864
at the residence of her uncle George Hanson Esq of Ballylintagh on the 11th inst Jane Rankin eldest daughter of the late Mr Daniel Ellis aged 16 years.
Please let me know if you have this info as I have other death notices for the Ellis family 
I enclose  a picture of the house of George Hanson, remodelled from his father William's house.  He lived here with his wife Isabella Steen .George unfortunately died in 1867 and the house was sold.This is where the unfortunate James and Jane Rankin Ellis died.
George  and Isabella had one surviving daughter whose was also called Jane Rankin.she married but had no children
  Coincidentally the house is now lived in by the Kennedy family who are descendants of Isabella Steen's  second Husband.
I realise I may be giving you information the you already have

It is a pleasure however to share this information with someone
Regards Richard
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 17 May 11 10:41 BST (UK)
Just to throw in a few more bots-m Thomasina Mann was born 1 Jan.1878 (not 1874)- her sister Mary Mann was born 18 Jan.1874.

The Hanson place at Macleary (in the lovely old phtograph posted here) was knocked down about 10 years ago and a new house built on the site.

I have 4 children listed for Mary Hanson and Daniel Ellis- from information given to me and not verified- James (died 1863), John, Mary Jane (possibly same as Jane Rankin?), Margaret Ann (married Henry Church Mann).
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Tuesday 17 May 11 11:28 BST (UK)
Hello  This is Richard Kerr here, thanks for the corrections.
 Yes I did know about the house being knocked down in fact when I was there last I couldn't believe it. How can the local council give permission for such destruction ! However they have left the old stables at least and most of the trees.
I also have a record for John Ellis son of Mary Hanson and Daniel Ellis.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 17 May 11 11:56 BST (UK)
The old house was lovely to look at but not in good shape- I know there was a leak in the kitchen area (coming from the roof and appearing mysteriously on ground floor but unable to find the problem) but can't remember exactly what the other things were (dry rot, wet rot, etc.)

Will contact you later by PM now that you have enough posts.

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: overmann on Wednesday 18 May 11 04:30 BST (UK)
Thanks aghadowey.  Do you have any dates (bmd) or other info for John Ellis, son of Daniel Ellis and Mary Hanson?

According to notes typed by my grandfather's sister in 1933, Daniel's father John (Jack) Ellis (my gt gt gt grandfather) was a farmer and the proprietor of Toome Eel Fisheries. Apparently, he and his wife Mary had 10 sons.  Of these we only know of Daniel, Leslie (a farmer at Ballymaconnelly), Hugh (a doctor in Kilrea), James (a lawyer in USA), and Joshua (who fought in the American civil war).  Do you have any info for this family?
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 18 May 11 08:12 BST (UK)
The only information I have is what I posted- I wasn't given dates and it's the Hanson connection that was of interest so I have nothing on the Mann family.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Danade on Thursday 12 July 12 03:02 BST (UK)
Thank you for this thread!   I am researching Martha Hanson, sister of Mary.  Martha married John McCandless and moved to Philadelphia.   Martha's other siblings were Margaret (Peggy) Hanson who died in 1863 (referenced in the thread), William Marcus Hanson, and George.  Martha Hanson is my 4th great grandmother.  I have incorrect dates for her father... does anyone have more information on the Hansons?
Thanks for posting the pictures!!!  They are wonderful!
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Thursday 12 July 12 07:05 BST (UK)
Hello,
            I am a descendant of George Hanson Of Macleary, Macosquin, Co Derry, Martha Hanson's grandfather I have been trying to find out for years now  where Martha Hanson & John McCandless ended up !
I have one photo from Philidelphia in my Hanson Album. I wonder if this could be a connection with your family ? 
I have done extensive research on the the Hanson family in Ireland (where I was born) .
I would be delighted to share information with you and I am intrigued  after all of these years  to find out more about Martha HansoRegards  Richard
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Danade on Thursday 12 July 12 08:41 BST (UK)
I'd love to see that picture, we have none!  Martha and John came to Philadelphia in 1848 with their children.  I'm a descendent of their oldest son Samuel.   I will email you so we can exchange information!
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Thursday 12 July 12 17:41 BST (UK)
Thank you for this thread!   I am researching Martha Hanson, sister of Mary.  Martha married John McCandless and moved to Philadelphia.   Martha's other siblings were Margaret (Peggy) Hanson who died in 1863 (referenced in the thread), William Marcus Hanson, and George.  Martha Hanson is my 4th great grandmother.  I have incorrect dates for her father... does anyone have more information on the Hansons?
Thanks for posting the pictures!!!  They are wonderful!


Hello! I'm Shelly, Dana's sister and I am so thrilled that she was clever enough to find this website and connect with you, Stuart. I have been researching the McCandless family for a while now and this is just too exciting!  I have been to Northern Ireland several times, but never knew where to look.   I am really looking forward to the three of us combining what we know and connecting all those loose ends.  :)
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Friday 20 July 12 20:35 BST (UK)
Dear Overmann,

  Margaret A.H. Ellis Mann is my great x4 grandmother Martha McCandless' ( nee Hanson) niece. It is so exciting to see a picture of her, thank you for sharing that. I am currently researching the McCandless and Hanson families and would love to share what I have found.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Friday 20 July 12 20:39 BST (UK)
General Question:  Are the Coleraine Chronicle archives on-line, and if so, what do I need to do to access them?
Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 20 July 12 20:43 BST (UK)
The Coleraine Chronicle (and the rest of the Coleraine papers) are not available online. Coleraine Library, Queen St., does have microfilmed copies.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Friday 20 July 12 20:44 BST (UK)
Thank you, I was afraid of that.  :)   I appreciate the quick response.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Monday 30 July 12 17:55 BST (UK)
Hi ,
        I have just sent some more photos to Dana. These are the only "Hanson Album" photos from Philadelphia
 unfortunately there are no names on the photos.
 Although Martha Hanson was just a first cousin of my Gt GT grandmother ,Anne Hanson,it is possible that they corresponded .
William Hanson, Martha's father  died in 1856 and his wife Jane Rankin 17 feb in 1850 They have  a large tombstone in St Marys  Church of Ireland graveyard in Macosquin .
 Although there were presbyterians all the older generations of Hansons are buried there.
Regards Richard
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Monday 30 July 12 17:59 BST (UK)
Thank for the information. I'll circle 'round with my sister soon and see those pictures.  :)
If I may ask, are you currently in NI? Please feel free to email me.  :D
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: stuartk on Monday 30 July 12 18:10 BST (UK)
 I am not living in NI, I have still family there,brothers  and sisters etc.
 Your sister has my email I don't have yours.
Regards Richard
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: kingskerswell on Monday 30 July 12 18:52 BST (UK)
Hi,
   You can contact one another privately by clicking on the little green scroll under the name of the person you wish to contact if you have each posted three messages.

Regards
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: shelly59 on Monday 30 July 12 18:53 BST (UK)
Thank you. 8)
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Carsie1 on Tuesday 12 May 15 15:56 BST (UK)
A quick question in those Hanson's related to the Killowen Hanson's
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 12 May 15 16:31 BST (UK)
A quick question in those Hanson's related to the Killowen Hanson's

Quite likely connected as William Hanson's (c1806-1880) children baptisted at Macosquin Presbyterian Church. There were also other Hansons in Coleraine who might have been connected.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Carsie1 on Tuesday 12 May 15 17:37 BST (UK)
Because i know of a William Hanson 1864 that married Martha Jane Park in 1888 in Killowen Parish and in 1901 living in 36 Chief Street, (Shankill Ward). On William Park married a Margaret Sarah Wilton and one   

Martha Jane Park and William Park parents Robert Park and Sarah Gough

Margaret Sarah Wilton related to the current Hanson's from Killowen.

As for the old Hanson/Kennedy house at the top of the Ballylintagh Road, if my Granny was still alive she could of told some stories about them because she used to work for them.

As for my mum she was always scared of John Kennedy bull Paddy. My Granny and that used to live in front of the old Ballylintagh Graveyard

 
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 12 May 15 17:53 BST (UK)
The Killowen Hansons I'm talking about were Presbyterian. There were other Hansons in Coleraine that belonged to Killowen Parish Church (Church of Ireland).

What was William's father called?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankill_Ward/Chief_Street/984346
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Carsie1 on Tuesday 12 May 15 17:57 BST (UK)
William Hanson's parents was George Hanson and Isabella Steen
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 12 May 15 18:03 BST (UK)
William Hanson's parents was George Hanson and Isabella Steen

Sorry but that can't be correct.

George "Big George" Hanson (died 1867) married (1863) Isabella Steen (c1848-1928)- children:
1. George Hanson (1861-1862)
2. William Marcus Hanson (1864-1865)
3. Janet Rankin Hanson (1866)- only child who survived infancy, married & had no family so this branch of the Hansons died out long ago
4. George Hanson (1867-died young)
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Carsie1 on Tuesday 12 May 15 19:02 BST (UK)
there is 2 possibles

Name:   William Hanson
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   20 Oct 1866
Birth Place:   Beveva, Londonderry, Ireland
Father's name:   William Hanson
Mother's name:   Bridget Castan Hanson
FHL Film Number:   101135

and

Name:   William Hanson no death records found
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   28 Jan 1864
Birth Place:   Aghadowey, Londonderry, Ireland
Father's name:   George Hanson
Mother's name:   Isabella Steen
FHL Film Number:   101085
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 12 May 15 20:17 BST (UK)
It seems as though you are going by extracted LDS records which are not complete.

According to family notes William Marcus Hanson died 28 Sept.1865. He is listed on the family gravestone in St. Mary's (Macosquin) Church of Ireland with just the years 1863-1865.

Note: the first record should be Boveva.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 12 May 15 20:35 BST (UK)
Thought I had a death notice for infant William-

Coleraine Chronicle, 30 Sept.1865: At Ballylintagh, parish of Aghadowey, on the 28th instant, of bronchitis, William Marcus, only son of George Hanson, Esq., aged 15 months.

The family have been extensively documented and researched by both Hanson and Steen connections.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Sunday 18 April 21 22:22 BST (UK)
Hi  I have just came across this thread. I am 1 of the "Killowen Church of Ireland Hansons" and I am just wondering if anyone has any information on them? My 2x great grandfather was George Hanson who married (I'm almost certain) Mary mcalary, my great grand father was Tommy Hanson who married Mary mcgonigle and my grand mother was Maree Hanson.
Thank you in advance for any info at all will be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 19 April 21 14:38 BST (UK)
Hi  I have just came across this thread. I am 1 of the "Killowen Church of Ireland Hansons" and I am just wondering if anyone has any information on them? My 2x great grandfather was George Hanson who married (I'm almost certain) Mary mcalary, my great grand father was Tommy Hanson who married Mary mcgonigle and my grand mother was Maree Hanson.
Thank you in advance for any info at all will be greatly appreciated

You haven't given any dates. Is this your George Hanson?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Queen_Street/590013/
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 19 April 21 16:34 BST (UK)
Because i know of a William Hanson 1864 that married Martha Jane Park in 1888 in Killowen Parish and in 1901 living in 36 Chief Street, (Shankill Ward). On William Park married a Margaret Sarah Wilton  ...

Lots of new online resources since this thread was started including the marriage of George Hanson & Martha Park which clearly shows George Hanson was illegitimate and not one of the Ballylintagh Hansons-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10755/5922257.pdf
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 11:28 BST (UK)
Apologies regarding dates I'm not at all sure, though I do know that George Hanson on the census at Queen Street isn't him, quite sure it is his son. He had a son Thomas born 1915 (my great grandfather) he also had a son who was the Reverend Victor Hanson, Robert Hanson, Samuel Hanson.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:23 BST (UK)
.....though I do know that George Hanson on the census at Queen Street isn't him, quite sure it is his son. He had a son Thomas born 1915 (my great grandfather) he also had a son who was the Reverend Victor Hanson, Robert Hanson, Samuel Hanson.

This may be him with his new wife in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 2 in Ballystrone (Articlare, Londonderry).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Articlare/Ballystrone/1517111/

George born 1906, Robert born 1908.    MMN Hill
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qjh/

Marriage in 1900 to Martha Hill.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10361/5771734.pdf

No sign of a birth in Ireland in 1915 for a Thomas Hanson. Where was your gt grandfather born?

KG

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:29 BST (UK)
Sorry but when I asked if the George Hanson age 5 in 1911 was your George Hanson I meant the son George.

George Hanson (c1881) m.(1900) Martha Hill (c1882-1909); m.(1911) Mary Fleming
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Articlare/Ballystrone/1517111/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05446/4524009.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Queen_Street/590013/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09947/5615959.pdf (witness: Richard Hanson)
1.   George Hanson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01755/1691933.pdf
2.   Robert Hanson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01648/1658070.pdf
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:36 BST (UK)
Like Kiltaglassan I can't find a 1915 birth for Thomas. see next post


There is a Samuel Hanson born 1912 with parents George Hanson & Mary Darragh- note child was born Dunlop St. which is address George Hanson gave when he married Mary Fleming in 1911-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01485/1604411.pdf
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:40 BST (UK)
Lizzie Hanson, daughter of George Hanson & Martha Hill-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01862/1725491.pdf
another daughter- Rachel Ann-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01926/1745857.pdf

Thomas Hanson, mother Darrah-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01390/1571670.pdf
Janie Hanson, mother Darrah-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01533/1621275.pdf

Note: Mary Fleming, a widow, was the daughter of Robert Darrah. Marriage gives her present name (Fleming) but births for children list her maiden name (Darrah)
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:43 BST (UK)
Sorry Thomas Hanson was 13th December 1914.

George Hanson had a family to Martha Hill as far as I am aware (I am unsure what happened to her) he then had a family (my connection) to Mary flemming née darragh who he married, I am assuming her first husband had died. She was my great great grandmother but she was burried with her first husband William flemming.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:50 BST (UK)
Sorry Thomas Hanson was 13th December 1914.

George Hanson had a family to Martha Hill as far as I am aware (I am unsure what happened to her) he then had a family (my connection) to Mary flemming née darragh who he married, I am assuming her first husband had died. She was my great great grandmother but she was burried with her first husband William flemming.

First wife Martha (Hill) Hanson died 1909- see above for link to death (reply #47). I also posted link to Thomas Hanson's birth (reply #49).

William Fleming m.(1899) Mary E. Darragh- his address Govan, Lanarkshire-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10387/5781896.pdf
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:52 BST (UK)

another daughter- Rachel Ann-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01926/1745857.pdf


1901 census with McCarroll.
Residents of a house 12 in Kiltinny Lower (Letterloan, Londonderry).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Letterloan/Kiltinny_Lower/588661/


Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 17:55 BST (UK)
Daughter Lizzie Hanson in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Killowen_Street/588875/

Looks like the family was split up either when mother Martha died or perhaps before that is she was unwell.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 18:27 BST (UK)
I can't thank you enough for all of that info, so quickly too! Greatly appreciated.
It does look like the family was split which would make sense as to why although we knew there was a connection we didn't ever have any actual comings and goings. There's certainly some children like lizzie and Rachel I had never even heard about. It's very sad but totally understandable given the hardships of them times.

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 20 April 21 18:38 BST (UK)
There's certainly some children like lizzie and Rachel I had never even heard about.

This might be the marriage of Rachel - from GRONI https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

Rachel Hanson to William Mitchell      27th February 1924      Coleraine

The marriage record is available via GRONI online at the above link, and by choosing the "full" option (5 credits £2.50) it lets you see the digitised image of the original.
You will need to open an account and buy some credits.

KG

Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 19:18 BST (UK)
A lot of new information for you to take in, Leannemary87  :)

George was left with a house of young children when wife Martha died in 1909 and likely had to make arrangements for their care while he was working so it's not surprising that children were separated at least for a while.

Think I've found a bit more but have to get it typed out.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 19:31 BST (UK)
So much information but it's well welcomed. I look forward to seeing the further information thank you
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 19:47 BST (UK)
Something I have just noticed.

Mary E. Darragh would you have any idea what the E would stand for? It's just that on her sons gravestone it also says

Rev Victor E. Hanson.

I assumed his middle name possibly but now I've noticed the same E in his mother's name.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 19:56 BST (UK)
Marriage just has her middle initial 'E.'

Victor's wife died a few years ago. Do you have her obituary? if no, I can send by PM (Personal Message).
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 April 21 20:17 BST (UK)
I've gone back and done a family outline for you to help make it a bit clearer-

George Hanson (c1881) m.(1900) Martha Hill (c1882-1909); m.(1911) Mary (Darragh) Fleming
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Articlare/Ballystrone/1517111/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05446/4524009.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Queen_Street/590013/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09947/5615959.pdf (witness: Richard Hanson)
A George Hanson of Killowen St. served WWI (12th Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers). This is likely the same George (family lived Dunlop St. (now demolished) which comes under Killowen St.
Children of George & Martha:
1.   Rachel Ann Hanson (1902-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01926/1745857.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Letterloan/Kiltinny_Lower/588661/
2.   Lizzie Hanson (1903-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01862/1725491.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Killowen_Street/588875/
3.   George Hanson (1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01755/1691933.pdf
4.   Robert Hanson (1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01648/1658070.pdf
Children of George & Mary E.:
5.   Janie Hanson (1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01533/1621275.pdf
6.   Samuel Hanson (1912 Dunlop St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01485/1604411.pdf
7.   Thomas Hanson (1914)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01390/1571670.pdf

Can't see a birth for Victor but perhaps not born in Coleraine or was born after 1920.
Father George possibly died 1966 and mother Mary possibly died 1961.

Going by the address this is one of your family if not actually Robert born 1908-
Derry Journal, 9 Mar.1953: "Worst Case of Defective Brakes" Robert Hanson ... 18 Dunlop St., Coleraine, was fined £3 at Claudy Petty Sessions for failing to keep the brakes on a motor vehicle in ...
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 20:57 BST (UK)
Yes send me it please if you don't mind. My granny and Eileen were very fond of each other.

I think Victor must have been born after 1920, he died in 1993.

You are an absolute star. I can't thank yous enough, honestly.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Tuesday 20 April 21 23:52 BST (UK)
There wouldn't be any death notices for a Maureen Hanson 11/03/1938 aged 2yrs and a Samuel Hanson 27/09/1942 aged 3months, both born to Thomas Hanson and Mary Hanson née mcgonigle of 9 Killowen Street?
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 21 April 21 08:30 BST (UK)
Victor's wife died recently so the obituary is still online. Not sure if any papers local to Coleraine are online for 1930s & 1940s.
Title: Re: MANN and LOUGHRIE birthplaces
Post by: Leannemary87 on Wednesday 21 April 21 08:37 BST (UK)
You are an absolute gem for all your help  🤩😁