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Hi everyone- Can someone please do a lookup in the Queensland Electoral Rolls for the following people surnamed Wyatt?
George (father)
Mary Ann (wife)
Albert (son)
Isabella (wife)
Daisy Alice (children)
Grace Margaret (children)
They are all one family. George is father of Albert. Mary Ann is mother of Albert. Isabella is wife of Albert and the others are children of Albert.
Thanks, Sherry H.
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Do you have any idea of years enrolled or location? Children will not be on the electoral roll.
Cheers
Cando
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George Wyatt lived 1843-1895 (father)
Mary Ann Wyatt lived 1846 - 1907 (mother)
Albert Wyatt lived 1865 - 1917 (son)
All three above came to Australia in 1874 on the Suffolk.
Isabella Wyatt lived 1876 - 1910 (wife of Albert) Maiden name McCreadie from Scotland - No immigration info known
children of Albert:
Daisy Alice Wyatt lived 1907-1996 married #1 Mr. Miers #2 Mr. Blair
Grace Margaret Wyatt lived 1900 - ? married 1925 William Hall Wighton
I have seen all their names only listed on Ancestry 1903-1936 Queensland Electoral Rolls. I need the information from these rolls and the 1949 roll if possible.
Thanks, Sherry H.
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I have seen all their names only listed on Ancestry 1903-1936 Queensland Electoral Rolls. I need the information from these rolls and the 1949 roll if possible
First one...there are two Mary Anne WYATTs on the roll but one has husband William Walter so....
Australian Electoral Roll 1900-1936
1903
WYATT Mary Anne Mosman Street, Charters Towers Domestic duties
1905
WYATT Mary Anne Mosman Street, Charters Towers Domestic Duties
WYATT Lilian Alice Mosman Street, Charters Towers Domestic duties
Cheers
Cando
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I don't know about this one...only Isabella WYATT on the roll.
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
WYATT Charles Court House Hotel, Stoke Street, Townsville Hotel keeper
WYATT Eliza Court House Hotel, Stoke Street, Townsville Domestic Duties
WYATT Isabella Gertrude Court HouseHotel, Stoke Street, Townsville Domestic Duties
1905
As above without Charles.
Incorrect Isabella...see following post
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks to your comprehensive info I think this is your Albert and Bella ::)
Australian Electoral Rolls
1903, 1905
Qld Division Herbert Sub division Geraldton
WYATT Albert Mourilyan Plantation Ploughman
WYATT Bella Mourilyan Plantation Domestic Duties
1913 Albert as above but alone.
Cheers
Cando
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Don't think it's the right one, Cando. Isabella was in Herbert Dist then. Thanks anyway.
Sherry H.
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That is the right one, Cando. My computer is slow and I didn't get your last message until after I wrote mine. Sorry about that. :)
Sherry H.
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Australian Electoral Roll
1930
Qld District Maranoa Sub district Jondaryan
WYATT Daisy Alice Coolabah Home duties
The 1936 enrolment for Daisy Alice WYATT appears to be the wife of Herbert.
I can see no listing for Daisy Alice MIERS
1925
Qld District Oxley Sub district Maree
WYATT Grace Margaret Stafford Street Home duties
1936
Qld District Brisbane Sub district Kelvin Grove
WIGHTON Grace Margaret Murray Street Wilston Home duties
WIGHTON William Hall Murray Street, Wilston Boot repairer
Cheers
Cando
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Cando, what's Herbert's last name? If it's Wyatt, it isn't the right one. Thanks, Sherry H.
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Hi there,
1949 Commonwealth Electoral roll Div.Petrie sub Div Enoggera
195 Wilston Rd Newmarket
Grace Margaret Wighton Home Duties
William Hall Wighton boot repairer
Edna Margaret Wighton Packer
Regards
Mariac
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Thank you, Mariac. Do you see anything for Beryl Mary Wyatt or Daisy Alice Miers/Meyers in 1949 Electoral Roll?
Sherry H.
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In Dawson div. Mackay sub.div.
Herbert Watt Walkerston Carrier
Beryl Watt Walkerston
In Ryan Div. Ashgrove sub. div.
Daisy Alice Meiers Cole St Alderley home duties
That is the way Meiers/Meyers/Miers is spelt on this roll
Is there any more names you are after?
Mariac
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Mariac - What year is the Daisy Alice Meiers?
Not the right Beryl. I remembered she was probably in the US then. I think she went back in 1950.
Thanks, Sherry H.
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Does the Roll with Daisy and Herbert Watt also have Beryl? I'm confused.
Thanks, Sherry H.
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They are all from the 1949 Roll Sherry.
The Beryl and Herbert Watt are the only Watts in Walkerston (Mackay area)
and Daisy is living in Alderley (Brisbane area)
Mariac
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Thanks, Mariac.
Sherry H.
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Mariac is anyone living with Daisy Alice Meiers. Wondering where her husband is?
Sherry H.
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She is living by herself Sherry. Do you know what her husband's name is?
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Hi Mariac - I believe it was Robert. He was called Bob.
According to my mother-in-law he wasn't a nice man. He drank away money her father sent for her and sold her to sailors for money during WWII. She married my father-in-law a sailor (10 years older than she) when she was only 17 after he got her pregnant with my brother-in-law. She came to the US, hoping for a better life, where she had my husband. My father-in-law then divorced her. She was sent back to Australia because she was under age and alone. The two children were put in foster homes in the US until my husband's father remarried. My mother-in-law remarried in Australia, had other children and lives near Brisbane. I found her 25 years ago. VBG She's been here to US and my hubby has been to visit her.
All the above probably more than you wanted to know. :)
Thanks, Sherry H.
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Mariac- I doubled checked his name and it was Sid Meiers. Sorry about that.
Sherry H.
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Mariac- I found a birth record for a Sidney Arthur Meier in 1906. I think that's probably him. Daisy Alice Wyatt was born in 1907.
Sherry H.
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Hi Sherry,
I have tried all the different ways Meier/s, mier/s Meyer/s
also just Sydney Arthur no surname and also Sydney no surname and there is no one who comes even close to him
I wonder if perhaps Sydney has passed on and Daisy is between marriages?
regards
Mariac
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Hi Mariac - that's very possible. I have no idea what happened to him or when she married Mr. Blair. I just know Sid Meiers raised my mother-in-law until her marriage. I believe Blairs name was Robert (Bob). Thus my confusion. Thanks so much for your help. I really appreciate it.
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Maybe I should request a lookup for 1930-36 for a Sidney Arthur Meiers. He should be somewhere in those.
Sherry H.
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Hi sorry to interject, I'm looking for Ivor Albert Turner and Gwladys Turner at Hodel street, south townsville in the Queensland electoral roll.
I know they are in the 1949 and 1959 register but their numbers are two different so I'm guessing there may be someone with them in the family?
Any suggestions would be most welcome, they came from Conway and Llandudno junction in north wales, U.K.
Regards Gareth.
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Hi Gareth
A check of the Queensland Electoral Roll shows.
In 1949
TURNER Gwladys. 27 Hodel Street. Home Duties
TURNER, Ivor Albert. as above. French polisher
1954
As above, both parties.
1958
As above, both parties.
1963
TURNER, Gwladys. 6 Short Street. HD
TURNER, Ivor Albert. as above. French polisher
1968
TURNER, Gwladys. 6 Short Street. HD
Gwladys and Ivor married.
Marriages Dec 1933
Ivor Turner
Gwladys Jones
11b 989 Conway
Death of Ivor.
1967 C3097 Ivor Albert TURNER
Parents Albert John TURNER &Elizabeth Jane POWELL
It appears Gwladys remarried
Her death
1981 2788 Gwladys May MATSEN
Parents Jonathan JONES & Mary Jane JONES
These parents names agree with a household finding in 1911 where Gwladys is aged 2 months and lives with her parents (as named above) in Wales.
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Hi Sparrett
This is great news, many thanks.
I'm related to Gwladys via the Jones family from 14 crown lane, Conway.
Last week I found, and went to, John jones' grave in st Agnes old cemetery, Conway and also located his parents grave too, Thomas Jones and Margaret Thomas both born 1842-1844 but can't find their marriage yet. They lived at bull cottages, and 5 wind street and 8 crown lane, all Conway addresses.
I have a photo of John Jones and his grave too. His wife isn't with him in either! I knew Gwladys' sister my Aunty Jinny, of Conway.
From this info, It looks like they had no children, but I have a photo of them on one of their uk visits, with a small boy and several young ladies around them which I took as their children but now maybe they are the five sisters from 1911 census. I've also found an infant death Thomas Jones 1909, aged 4 months, from 12 crown lane, sadly. I have those certificates now.
I assume from your message HD means house duties again and not Herbert division? The middle name of May is new detail as that's not in the 1911 uk census page, I would have thought it would have been like her sisters Alice Peace Jones and Margaret Elizabeth Jones.
I only have her mother as Jane Jones not Mary in her name either. You haven't stated the source of that data? Please can you advise.
So at this stage I have to assume no children, but were children included in the Aus electoral rolls? Do you have any indication on cemetery where they are buried and who with, I'm amazed you came back so quick with your response so a big thank you.
I've located a couple of passenger lists for them 1948, 1951, 1958 on the Ormande and SS Stratheden.
Regards Gareth.
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Sparrett
I played a hunch on finding Gwladys as my nains address book gives the name of mr Ivor Turner care of 51 Hodel street, south townsville, Queensland so it's great that all this is coming together now.
Once I'd located their marriage and 54 penrhos avenue Llandudno junction address and the 12 crown lane address on passenger lists I knew I was on the right track but needed more details from their new residence in Queensland. I wonder who Ivor worked for? I also spotted an Ivor A Turner in 1925 passenger lists with his parents and several siblings going to Australia from Glos? I wonder if it's also Ivor?
Did Gwladys' mother ever get to visit them there?
Gareth.
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Sparrett
I've checked the 1925 passenger list and Ivor's parents tally as Albert j. Turner and his wife Elizabeth. With Albert being a carpenter also leads to a link with Ivor being a French polisher so that's a plus too. Ivor must have already lived in Australia so one now questions how he came to know Gwladys in Conway? The question begs!
Albert and his children Mabel J, Ivor A, Credwen M., and Iris A. were going to Brisbane. What great name to search - Credwen Turner. Could it Ceridwen as the age 7 is in the female column on the 1925 passenger list?
Their address was given in U.K. as Pen y Bryn cottage, primrose hill, Lydney, Glos.
In the U.K. 1911 census they are living at 36 Princes street, Barry, Glamorgan, as parents with Mabel Jane and their 1909 marriage on free bmd may have been transcribed as Elizabeth Jane Howells, Bridgend district 11a/1423. Albert John delivered milk so to be a carpenter he certainly raised his employment status.
Gareth.
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An Electoral Roll is a register of people eligible to vote .
Voting is compulsory in Australia for all people aged 18 years and over.
Prior to 1973 the age for voting was 21 years.
These registers cannot be searched by address, only by name.
So, in answer to your question, children would not be listed under the age of 21 and, unless their names were known, it would be difficult to link them to your people.
Yes, HD is intended as Home Duties .
I cannot confirm I am looking at the correct 1911 findings where I see Gwladys, the child, aged 2 months. (mentioned above) I will leave that side of things to you.
Neither am I certain that the Gwladys MATSEN death is your woman.
EDIT. I do not think the Gwladys MATSEN is your woman
Deleted incorrect info.
See below posting.
Ivor Albert TURNER did not register to vote in QLD until the 1949 election.
The 1926 Electoral Roll
TURNER, Albert John. Cowling Street, West End, Townsville. Carpenter
TURNER Elizabeth Jane, as above. HD
I cannot locate this couple in Queensland after this time.
Sue
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Ivor Albert TURNER is buried at Belgian Gardens Cemetery, Townsville
Aged 55
Date 15/5/1967.
Location F13. Grave 318
Search pdf here
https://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/8386/Belgian-Gardens-Cemetery-Records.pdf
Sue
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Do you think it possible Gwladys returned home to Wales?
There is this death in Wales
Deaths Jun 1973
TURNER Gwladys born 26 Oct 1910
CAERNARVON 8A/ 531
There is a UK wills and probate listing.
TURNER, Gwladys of 25 Chapel Street, Conway, Caenarvonshire died 7th May 1973.
Administration Llandaff, June 9112 pounds (733002850F)
I am not sure, but it may be worth a follow up as I do not see her on any electoral rolls in Australia after 1968 when she is still at 6 Short Street.
Nor do I see a death to 1985 or a burial with her husband Ivor at Townsville.
Sue
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Wow Sue,
That date you give for Gwladys is the same birth date shown in the 1939 U.K. Register, 26 Oct. 1910 and the address you give for 25 Chapel street, Conway also tallies with Gwladys' 1958 passenger list (so does the birth date again) so I think you are absolutely spot on, she must have come home to Conway! Absolutely fantastic research, many thanks Sue!
I can't see any of Albert John Turner's children on the cemetery list but then again it's a huge list and I don't know if his children married in due course or surnames if they did.
I have to assume Gwladys could well be in the newer part of St.Agnes cemetery where her sister Alice Peace Evans rests, and I only found that grave last week so I will contact Mochdre crematorium who hold the records. There is only one Steven Turner in the old part of the cemetery and no other details on the headstone, only the name, not even a date.
What a life she had! I've just got to get onto that will, how on earth did you find that? I can order her death cert to see who registered it. It just shows me how families lose contact with each other, I should have met her as a child as I lived in Llandudno junction 1957-1963 and Llandudno 1963-1974 and I cannot recall if I ever did, just another Jones you see.
Once again a huge thank you for all your help.
Kind regards Gareth in kidsgrove.
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You're welcome Gareth ;D
The wills and probate file I found through a large and well known subscription website, ;) but with a little patience, I think you will find it here also
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
You might like to see the house at Short street in Townsville.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/6-short-st-belgian-gardens-qld-4810
With a google search, I also saw some details and picture of the cottage in Chapel St Conwy.
Sue
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Hi Sue
I hope it's not those tin sheds! Maybe that where Ivor did his French polishing perhaps? Good of them to put the house no. on their bin, lol.
I've ordered all b,m,d certs for Gwladys and copy of the will today and contacted Mochdre crematorium. I've even spoken to the undertakers and they are trying to find where they took her (4 cars!) from their records. I have also emailed the Belgian Gardens Cemetery so you have opened several doors for me.
Gwladys being Methodist, could be laid to rest in Henryd or the Tabernacle cemetery near Gyffin, Conway. She doesn't seem to be in St.Agnes they tell me.
Even after 40 yrs of family history and tracing so many branches one can always find something and someone to help so it's much appreciated.
Gareth.
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Hi Sue
I hope it's not those tin sheds! Maybe that where Ivor did his French polishing perhaps? Good of them to put the house no. on their bin, lol.
I've ordered all b,m,d certs for Gwladys and copy of the will
Gareth.
Ivor may have had a good little polishing business going in the sheds ;D.
On a good Townsville summer day it would be about 120 degrees in there ::)
I am not sure what will be shown on the death certificates you've ordered, but Ivor's death certificate may reveal a lot.
Australian certificates contain a wealth of information.
Search, purchase and download here if you wish.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths
Name
Date
Death place
Age
Occupation
Cause of death
Parents' names
Spouse names
Marriage details
Chns names
No of chn
Birthplace
Residency
Burial place
It's been a pleasure to help.
Sue
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Hi Sue
In conclusion, Belgian garden cemetery kindly sent me a photo of Ivor's grave which was really good of them. I have found his wife Gwladys buried in Henryd, Conwy, Wales as anticipated; with her mother and sister so gained further dates there too. I have been there and tidied it. I've had fun tracing this but she actually lived it. :)
Also now had copy of her will ("a widow without issue") that indicates a brother I didn't know of (never ends)! Had a copy of Ivor's death certificate (poor chap died enroute to Townsville hospital) but still waiting on the uk certificates at present...
Regards. Gareth.
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Good that you have an almost complete picture now. ;D
You have clearly settled the question of children to the couple through the will and I expect Ivor's DC would also have confirmed it too.
Wonder if Gwladys' brother, of whom you had no knowledge, came to Australia at any time. ;D.
Perhaps the earlier visit by Ivor's parents was a "try out" for immigration.
Have you located them later in UK?
Sue
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Sue
From what I'm seeing at the moment I think Ivor's parents family might well have stayed in Australia. The one name that may turn up something may be Mabel Jane Turner? They may be in Brisbane from the 1925 passenger list.
I've found Ivor's father's family, living at (and other Turner's) near 95 Princes Street, Barry in the uk 1901 census - his father (Albert)'s brother William Henry Turner and their father John Turner. Barnstaple and South Moulton, Devon are birthplaces of some.
There are too many John David Jones born Conway for me to home in on any one individual and the deaths don't help much either I fear. I can only assume John David to be born after 1911 although there are two circa 1917 with mothers maiden name Jones that may be worth a call to the registrars office. I can contact the crem. to see if he's passed through there and cross ref. some MI's in due course. From the will, John David Jones is in the Maes Derw maisonettes, Llandudno junction when Gwladys died 1973 so he died after then.
Regards Gareth.
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I can see the death for Mabel Jane SCHLENKER (nee TURNER) 1978
Some electoral roll entries.
There are some news items about them too.
No doubt you have the details of these.
Not seeing much else for the others of the family, apart from the Electoral Roll listing I gave previously for Elizabeth and Albert TURNER in 1926.
Sue
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Hi Sue
Unfortunately I can't see any of the info that you mention.
I'm in the UK assuming you are in Australia perhaps?
Gareth.
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I'm sorry for assuming you had access. ;D Yes, I'm in Australia
Here is the death of Mabel Jane
1978 C2009 Mabel Jane SCHLENKER
Parents John Albert James TURNER
Elisabeth Jane POWELL
Marriages are not available online in Qld after 1941.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=marriages
Wrong information ::) I have deleted with apologies.
This is correct
1968 Electoral Roll
SCHLENKER, George Harold. PMG linesman
SCHLENKER, Mabel Jane, HD
Dennis Street Caboolture
George Harold died in 1992 aged 76 and is buried at Caboolture cemetery
Sue
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Thank you Sue,
It's certainly coming together now.
I've now found a will for Gwladys' mother Jane Jones who died 1966 so I've ordered that yesterday. I thought it odd that Jane wasn't buried with her husband John however Conway cemetery normally permit a max. of 3 per grave and I have to thus assume the father is buried with the two infants; but it's nice that Jane is buried with 2 of her daughters. Henryd cemetery is in a lovely small valley and the google earth site shows the cemetery right next to the road.
I don't know anything about Ivor's family at all so whatever comes is a great bonus, thank you.
I also apologise for hijacking the original Wyatt enquiry so maybe an enumerator may want to separate my Jones/Turner look ups?
Gareth.
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Gareth,
I have altered my previous post. The information was not correct.
Sue
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Hi Sue
Many thanks for persisting, it is appreciated.
I went to Henryd cemetery again yesterday and found the two adjacent graves also contain Gwladys' sisters. Once I'd opened the 1939 register and played a couple of hunches in my research and with the help of Jane's last Will things came together on her other siblings.
Margaret Elizabeth Davies nee Jones, wife of Thomas Davies. Single grave.
Mary Williams nee Jones and her husband Iorwerth.
Another good find. That makes 4 sisters with Jane Jones their mother.
Thanks for spotting that error, also it reads George Herman not George Harold. Do you know what PMG lineman refers to?
Gareth.
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PMG
Post Master General
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmaster-General%27s_Department
Sue ;D