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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: janway on Tuesday 08 February 05 19:18 GMT (UK)
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I have been trying to find my lost ancesters who I believe went to the US between 1884 and 1891.
I found an address in there niece's note book for
Aunt Jane
366 Roberson St, Fall River, MA but I don't know if or when they lived there.
the family is
John Charnley born 1851
Jane his wife, born 1857
Margaret A there daughter born 1874
Benjamin there son born 1875
they were all born in Lancashire England
they married there in 1874
the last siteing of them was the 1881 census for England, then John appeared on the death certificate of his mother in 1884 and thats it they just dissapeared.
if anyone comes across this family or can help me in any way I would be truly grateful.
Janway
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Jan, you may have already come in contact with Mavis Bassett, who is searching for the same family, but, just in case you haven't, here is a link to her most recent Genforum post about the charnley's: http://genforum.genealogy.com/charnley/messages/152.html
Hopefully, she's made some progress and you two can compare notes. Good luck.
Gary Rea
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thanks Gary
Mavis posted that info on my behalf, she has nothing to do with my Charnley's she was just helping me look for them, but neither fo us has had any luck.
Jan
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Jan,
the challenge in finding them in the US will be the lack of census information for 1890, and Rhode Island is one of the states with out any US census information for 1890.
I may be able to check Fall River city directories (1889-1891) later this week, and I will check whether RI did any state census for that time period.
regards,
drakes
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thank you so much I would be grateful for anything on this family.
Jan
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Jan, Name is relative uncommon, but no dead hits, I'm afraid.
Between 1884-1891m data base only show 30 Charnley's comming from England and 4 from Great Britain (of course not everybody is transcribed/recorded or they may have entered US via Canada.
Unfortunately, critical 1890 census lost.
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Arrival Date: June 6, 1881
"Arizona" Liverpool to US (no specific port indicated)
Henry b. 1852
Mary - Wife b. 1852
Mary (dau) b. 1875
Maretz (dau) b. 1877
Benjn infant
All born in England
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1900 Providence, Rhode Island
Henry b. June, 1852 Immi. 1881 Profession:Carpenter @ Mill
Mary b. Dec, 1851
Mary A. Dau b. June 1874
Benjamin son b. July 1880
All born in England; all immi. 1881
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1900 Fall River, Bristol Co., Massachuttes
Micky b. June 1857 immi. 1884
Elizabeth b. Aug. 1857 immi. 1883
Elizabeth (dau) b. May 1883 immi. 1883
All born in England
Micky is Fireman @ Mill
Micky & Elizabeth married 22 years
Elizabeth mother of 16 children; 5 living
Note, I double checked the immigration date indicated -- odd but Micky says 1884 while the 2 Elizabeth's says 1883.
Hope there is something helpful here.
Kathy
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Hello,
you may find some information using this site -
http://www.raogk.org/massachu.htm
it is a site for Volunteers that will help with different types of research.
- there is a volunteer that lists that she has books of Fall River
Bristol Jackie Nadeau I have 2 great books called FALL RIVER, 1865-1885 AND 1886-1900 ...lots of surnames, will gladly do lookups from these 2 volumes.
If you do decide to use this site you MUST make ONLY ONE request for every 2 weeks - the admin monitors this to make sure no abuses the volunteers time.
here are some possible clues but what would help is someone who access to the US Census records on Ancestry.com. I don't have a subscription to it but it is a great site. If they ended up in the States they should be able to be tracked down in 1900 federal census.
from the
North Providence, Rhode Island 1877 Tax List - Index
http://distantcousin.com/Directories/RI/NoProvidence/1877/Pages.asp?Pages=05.jpg
there is a Robert Charnley - perhaps a family member who immigrated before John and Jane?
burial in MA
http://interment.net/data/us/ma/barnstable/massnat/mass%5Fcaschar.htm
Charnley, Thomas L, b. 02/26/1913, d. 01/18/1999, US Army, SGT, Res: Marstons Mills, MA, Plot: 26 0 96, bur. 01/22/1999
this would be him in WW2
ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 31134635
NAME CHARNLEY#THOMAS#L#######
RESIDENCE: STATE 13 MASSACHUSETTS
RESIDENCE: COUNTY 017 MIDDLESEX
PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 1306 BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS
DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 17
DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 06
DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 42
GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION PVT# Private
GRADE: CODE 8 Private View
BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION BI# Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
BRANCH: CODE 00 Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
FIELD USE AS DESIRED #
TERM OF ENLISTMENT 5 Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
LONGEVITY ###
SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL 0 Civil Life
NATIVITY !7 PANAMA
YEAR OF BIRTH 13
RACE AND CITIZENSHIP 1 White, citizen
EDUCATION 8 4 years of college
CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 019 SHOP ENGINEER, RAILWAY or MECHANICAL ENGINEER
MARITAL STATUS 6 Single, without dependents
COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 7 Selectees (Enlisted Men)
CARD NUMBER #
BOX NUMBER 0399
FILM REEL NUMBER 3.120
There are 21 records for Charnleys in WW2 and a lot of them are from Rhode Island / Bristol / Providence / MA area. Let me know is you want to browse through them and I will send directions.
Try this site to see who is looking for Charnley relatives
http://www.geneanet.org/
Good Luck
Sam
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thanks to all for trying to help,
sorry to say none of the people found are connected, there was no other family members in the US.
and thanks for the links for help I shall try those.
Jan
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Hi,
I checked the Fall River, MA City directories, 1889-91 and found
John J. Charnley
loc: Bourne
boards 17 Mt Hope Ave
Fall River
also, did 1890 alternative search which uses mainly city directories thru states for "John Charnley"
Lowell, Ma
had 1889-90 John M. Charnley - house 112 Suffolk
Woonsocket, RI directories 1890-93 - no John Charnley some John Cornells
Newport, Ri - Directories 1887-92 only Mrs. John D. Cornell
Providence, RI - John Cornell or John Cromwells
But Pawtucket RI city directories 1869-1941 had John Charnley listed from 1871-1941 - if you want particulars for this listing just let me know -
and same with Providence and vicinity, RI ,city directories 1818-1964 -
John Charnley from 1912 - 1923 listings - if you want particulars will send scant info though..
probably can't rule out their living somewhere in RI - but lacking a 1890 census...it's hard...
best,
drakes
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Hi Drakes
thanks for your time and trouble.
please could you send what info you have on the John Charnley 1912-1923 and the ones for Pawtucket.
Janway
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will do some time in next 24 hrs....you are very welcome, and I hope something is of value...
if not I could pursue some other avenues...
drakes
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Here is information from RI city directories - specifically Pawtucket & Vicinity & Providence & Vicinity
Pawtucket - 1869-1941 - 8 matches for John Charnley
1871 listed in business directory
1893 listed in bus. directory
1924-1929 listed in house directory
1940 - 1941 listed in street directory & directory of householders
Providence - 1828-1964 - 13 matches
1912, 1917, 1919 listed in the city of East Providence
1923 - Providence
1940, 1941 Providence
1919, 1921, 1923 listed in House directory
if any of the dates look good, I can look at full entry, but I know from experience it is very brief - do you know his occupation?
also, I think (haven't confirmed) that the research center I use has a CD with Rhode Island deaths from 1630-1930 so I could check for Benjamin Charnley, John Charnley & Jane Charnley (or was Jane married?) but, won't be returning to center for about a week & half - I will remember to check if you want...
drakes
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Hi,
I have US census information for Chanley - did 1900 for John Chanley.
Also, checked Rhode Island death, 1630-1930.
US census for 1900, 1920, 1930 has Benjamin Charnley in Providence, RI.
let me know if you want details...
drakes